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I told our realtor (he not she) that I want 3-5 comps of this house when we are finished. Retail comps. Also said I want to get a plumber in there to give us a quote on the plumbing. It is boiler heat so potentially the entire heating and plumbing systems are shot. I actually saw three different spots where the ice had burst the pipes.

So maybe that is a good ballpark. House is just over 1000 sq. and there is not plumbing to the upstairs bedroom only baseboards.

Heading over there are lunch today.

 
If I do plumb, I am going Pex though too. My dad is a ex-piperfitter so he could teach me the copper but if Pex is the better option and i have to learn one or the other, might as well go Pex. I shouldn't have any "code" issues with Pex right?

I know it is used in mobile homes a lot.

 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.

She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags?

They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.

I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.

 
If he wants to pay the extra $2500 in equity, why not make the rent $800? I really can't see the scam here, but then again, I am a rookie.

 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags? They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags? They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
Credit History - will run MondayCriminal History - how do I do this?Had two other showings today. Both wanted to write me a check before they left. I just had them fill out the apps and said I would get back with them next week. Both are available to move in asap. Neither has pets. One couple smokes, the other doesn't.Wondering how you guys decide who to go with?
 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags? They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
Credit History - will run MondayCriminal History - how do I do this?Had two other showings today. Both wanted to write me a check before they left. I just had them fill out the apps and said I would get back with them next week. Both are available to move in asap. Neither has pets. One couple smokes, the other doesn't.Wondering how you guys decide who to go with?
Previous payment history?background check?70% of all rent to owns don't buy, so take an NROC up front if you lease / rent 2 own.
 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags? They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
Credit History - will run MondayCriminal History - how do I do this?Had two other showings today. Both wanted to write me a check before they left. I just had them fill out the apps and said I would get back with them next week. Both are available to move in asap. Neither has pets. One couple smokes, the other doesn't.Wondering how you guys decide who to go with?
Previous payment history?background check?70% of all rent to owns don't buy, so take an NROC up front if you lease / rent 2 own.
Hi Jeff,The last couple I showed (the nonsmokers) had his last 2 years of rent checks.How do I do a background check?I'm not interested in a rent to own or NROC. If a renter wants to buy two or three years from now I will be open to the idea, but I dont want to land contract/r2o/nroc.
 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.

She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags?

They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.

I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?

I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
Credit History - will run MondayCriminal History - how do I do this?

Had two other showings today. Both wanted to write me a check before they left. I just had them fill out the apps and said I would get back with them next week. Both are available to move in asap. Neither has pets. One couple smokes, the other doesn't.

Wondering how you guys decide who to go with?
Previous payment history?background check?

70% of all rent to owns don't buy, so take an NROC up front if you lease / rent 2 own.
Hi Jeff,The last couple I showed (the nonsmokers) had his last 2 years of rent checks.

How do I do a background check?

I'm not interested in a rent to own or NROC. If a renter wants to buy two or three years from now I will be open to the idea, but I dont want to land contract/r2o/nroc.
As for the background check, you can use some service out there. I don't know any personally, but a property manager can find you one. BNB can probably help there.Why on earth would you say no to Rent to Own if you're going to rent?

Consider the upside:

They treat the place as if they own it (duh)
No broken toilet calls at 2AM
If they don't pay on time, they lose their option to buy
You get extra cash up front
You likely get extra cash each month
You get a premium price
You get the same tax advantages of renting rather than selling
After 2 years (estimate) you either sell it like you wanted, or you do it all over againI don't see a downside if you have someone willing to rent to own over just renting. :ph34r:

 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.

She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags?

They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.

I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?

I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
Credit History - will run MondayCriminal History - how do I do this?

Had two other showings today. Both wanted to write me a check before they left. I just had them fill out the apps and said I would get back with them next week. Both are available to move in asap. Neither has pets. One couple smokes, the other doesn't.

Wondering how you guys decide who to go with?
Previous payment history?background check?

70% of all rent to owns don't buy, so take an NROC up front if you lease / rent 2 own.
Hi Jeff,The last couple I showed (the nonsmokers) had his last 2 years of rent checks.

How do I do a background check?

I'm not interested in a rent to own or NROC. If a renter wants to buy two or three years from now I will be open to the idea, but I dont want to land contract/r2o/nroc.
As for the background check, you can use some service out there. I don't know any personally, but a property manager can find you one. BNB can probably help there.Why on earth would you say no to Rent to Own if you're going to rent?

Consider the upside:

They treat the place as if they own it (duh)
No broken toilet calls at 2AM
If they don't pay on time, they lose their option to buy
You get extra cash up front
You likely get extra cash each month
You get a premium price
You get the same tax advantages of renting rather than selling
After 2 years (estimate) you either sell it like you wanted, or you do it all over againI don't see a downside if you have someone willing to rent to own over just renting. :unsure:
I dont have a good answer for you there. I just have a bad feeling about it. Odds are it WONT work and goes to hell at the end of the term. I'd feel horrible taking 2500/yr from him knowing there's a good chance he wont be able to buy and wont get the money back. I dont think thats my style. If he wants to buy in two years, fine. I'm just not sure about the situation. Also, he said he wanted to do a land contract. I dont even know the specifics of what that is. I know I basically play bank for him for a few years, then he gets a loan and everyones happy, but what if he cant? Do I seriously tell him tough luck, keep the 2500/yr he has given me on top of the rent and kick him to the curb?
 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.

She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags?

They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.

I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?

I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
Credit History - will run MondayCriminal History - how do I do this?

Had two other showings today. Both wanted to write me a check before they left. I just had them fill out the apps and said I would get back with them next week. Both are available to move in asap. Neither has pets. One couple smokes, the other doesn't.

Wondering how you guys decide who to go with?
Previous payment history?background check?

70% of all rent to owns don't buy, so take an NROC up front if you lease / rent 2 own.
Hi Jeff,The last couple I showed (the nonsmokers) had his last 2 years of rent checks.

How do I do a background check?

I'm not interested in a rent to own or NROC. If a renter wants to buy two or three years from now I will be open to the idea, but I dont want to land contract/r2o/nroc.
As for the background check, you can use some service out there. I don't know any personally, but a property manager can find you one. BNB can probably help there.Why on earth would you say no to Rent to Own if you're going to rent?

Consider the upside:

They treat the place as if they own it (duh)
No broken toilet calls at 2AM
If they don't pay on time, they lose their option to buy
You get extra cash up front
You likely get extra cash each month
You get a premium price
You get the same tax advantages of renting rather than selling
After 2 years (estimate) you either sell it like you wanted, or you do it all over againI don't see a downside if you have someone willing to rent to own over just renting. :unsure:
I dont have a good answer for you there. I just have a bad feeling about it. Odds are it WONT work and goes to hell at the end of the term. I'd feel horrible taking 2500/yr from him knowing there's a good chance he wont be able to buy and wont get the money back. I dont think thats my style. If he wants to buy in two years, fine. I'm just not sure about the situation. Also, he said he wanted to do a land contract. I dont even know the specifics of what that is. I know I basically play bank for him for a few years, then he gets a loan and everyones happy, but what if he cant? Do I seriously tell him tough luck, keep the 2500/yr he has given me on top of the rent and kick him to the curb?
My first thoughts, honestly, are that you don't have what it takes to be a landlord.That last part about kicking him to the curb - you have to be at peace with that if they don't pay rent. Renting a house is a business transaction. If you're not okay with that feeling, you shouldn't be doing this and at the minimum you should have a property manager.

You have to look big picture. He can't get a loan so he's asking for you to sell him the house in some way - land contract, rent to own, owner finance - something.

Why? Who knows, maybe his credit sucks or he can't get a loan for a number of reasons - it's happening everywhere.

You are giving him something not many else are - a chance to buy a house. In exchange for that privilege, he's going to give you extra cash now and/or over time and also pay a good price. That's supply and demand right there.

Be up front with him. Ask him why he wants rent to own / land contract. If he is truthful and tells you what I've already said, it can be win-win.

Never, ever, ever be afraid to evict someone from your property. That's just business. You cannot be emotional about a tenant - violates doing real estate for income and treating such as a business. It's ok to be human and give people a chance, but at the end of the day it must make dollars to make sense.

 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.

She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags?

They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.

I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?

I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
Credit History - will run MondayCriminal History - how do I do this?

Had two other showings today. Both wanted to write me a check before they left. I just had them fill out the apps and said I would get back with them next week. Both are available to move in asap. Neither has pets. One couple smokes, the other doesn't.

Wondering how you guys decide who to go with?
Previous payment history?background check?

70% of all rent to owns don't buy, so take an NROC up front if you lease / rent 2 own.
Hi Jeff,The last couple I showed (the nonsmokers) had his last 2 years of rent checks.

How do I do a background check?

I'm not interested in a rent to own or NROC. If a renter wants to buy two or three years from now I will be open to the idea, but I dont want to land contract/r2o/nroc.
As for the background check, you can use some service out there. I don't know any personally, but a property manager can find you one. BNB can probably help there.Why on earth would you say no to Rent to Own if you're going to rent?

Consider the upside:

They treat the place as if they own it (duh)
No broken toilet calls at 2AM
If they don't pay on time, they lose their option to buy
You get extra cash up front
You likely get extra cash each month
You get a premium price
You get the same tax advantages of renting rather than selling
After 2 years (estimate) you either sell it like you wanted, or you do it all over againI don't see a downside if you have someone willing to rent to own over just renting. :unsure:
I dont have a good answer for you there. I just have a bad feeling about it. Odds are it WONT work and goes to hell at the end of the term. I'd feel horrible taking 2500/yr from him knowing there's a good chance he wont be able to buy and wont get the money back. I dont think thats my style. If he wants to buy in two years, fine. I'm just not sure about the situation. Also, he said he wanted to do a land contract. I dont even know the specifics of what that is. I know I basically play bank for him for a few years, then he gets a loan and everyones happy, but what if he cant? Do I seriously tell him tough luck, keep the 2500/yr he has given me on top of the rent and kick him to the curb?
My first thoughts, honestly, are that you don't have what it takes to be a landlord.That last part about kicking him to the curb - you have to be at peace with that if they don't pay rent. Renting a house is a business transaction. If you're not okay with that feeling, you shouldn't be doing this and at the minimum you should have a property manager.

You have to look big picture. He can't get a loan so he's asking for you to sell him the house in some way - land contract, rent to own, owner finance - something.

Why? Who knows, maybe his credit sucks or he can't get a loan for a number of reasons - it's happening everywhere.

You are giving him something not many else are - a chance to buy a house. In exchange for that privilege, he's going to give you extra cash now and/or over time and also pay a good price. That's supply and demand right there.

Be up front with him. Ask him why he wants rent to own / land contract. If he is truthful and tells you what I've already said, it can be win-win.

Never, ever, ever be afraid to evict someone from your property. That's just business. You cannot be emotional about a tenant - violates doing real estate for income and treating such as a business. It's ok to be human and give people a chance, but at the end of the day it must make dollars to make sense.
I've told everyone that I showed that I expect them to 1) respect my property and 2) pay on time. And believe me, I will have only as much tolerance as the law requires for breaking either of the above.Its the rest of the "stuff" I dont feel comfortable with. Thats not to say I'm not considering it. I just dont get good vibes reading about it (here and elsewhere).

You said it yourself, 70% of the time a land contract wont work. Thats not good odds.

 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.

She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags?

They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.

I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Have you pulled credit and criminal history?Are you planning on doing so?

I address your other issues after I know the answer to those questions.
Credit History - will run MondayCriminal History - how do I do this?

Had two other showings today. Both wanted to write me a check before they left. I just had them fill out the apps and said I would get back with them next week. Both are available to move in asap. Neither has pets. One couple smokes, the other doesn't.

Wondering how you guys decide who to go with?
Previous payment history?background check?

70% of all rent to owns don't buy, so take an NROC up front if you lease / rent 2 own.
Hi Jeff,The last couple I showed (the nonsmokers) had his last 2 years of rent checks.

How do I do a background check?

I'm not interested in a rent to own or NROC. If a renter wants to buy two or three years from now I will be open to the idea, but I dont want to land contract/r2o/nroc.
As for the background check, you can use some service out there. I don't know any personally, but a property manager can find you one. BNB can probably help there.Why on earth would you say no to Rent to Own if you're going to rent?

Consider the upside:

They treat the place as if they own it (duh)
No broken toilet calls at 2AM
If they don't pay on time, they lose their option to buy
You get extra cash up front
You likely get extra cash each month
You get a premium price
You get the same tax advantages of renting rather than selling
After 2 years (estimate) you either sell it like you wanted, or you do it all over againI don't see a downside if you have someone willing to rent to own over just renting. :goodposting:
I dont have a good answer for you there. I just have a bad feeling about it. Odds are it WONT work and goes to hell at the end of the term. I'd feel horrible taking 2500/yr from him knowing there's a good chance he wont be able to buy and wont get the money back. I dont think thats my style. If he wants to buy in two years, fine. I'm just not sure about the situation. Also, he said he wanted to do a land contract. I dont even know the specifics of what that is. I know I basically play bank for him for a few years, then he gets a loan and everyones happy, but what if he cant? Do I seriously tell him tough luck, keep the 2500/yr he has given me on top of the rent and kick him to the curb?
My first thoughts, honestly, are that you don't have what it takes to be a landlord.That last part about kicking him to the curb - you have to be at peace with that if they don't pay rent. Renting a house is a business transaction. If you're not okay with that feeling, you shouldn't be doing this and at the minimum you should have a property manager.

You have to look big picture. He can't get a loan so he's asking for you to sell him the house in some way - land contract, rent to own, owner finance - something.

Why? Who knows, maybe his credit sucks or he can't get a loan for a number of reasons - it's happening everywhere.

You are giving him something not many else are - a chance to buy a house. In exchange for that privilege, he's going to give you extra cash now and/or over time and also pay a good price. That's supply and demand right there.

Be up front with him. Ask him why he wants rent to own / land contract. If he is truthful and tells you what I've already said, it can be win-win.

Never, ever, ever be afraid to evict someone from your property. That's just business. You cannot be emotional about a tenant - violates doing real estate for income and treating such as a business. It's ok to be human and give people a chance, but at the end of the day it must make dollars to make sense.
I've told everyone that I showed that I expect them to 1) respect my property and 2) pay on time. And believe me, I will have only as much tolerance as the law requires for breaking either of the above.Its the rest of the "stuff" I dont feel comfortable with. Thats not to say I'm not considering it. I just dont get good vibes reading about it (here and elsewhere).

You said it yourself, 70% of the time a land contract wont work. Thats not good odds.
Huh? That's GREAT odds for you. They don't complete the sale, you get your property back, maintained very well, and you get the $2500 deposit.
 
Forgive me if this question has been recently discussed. This is a very long thread and I have not scanned it to see.

I am considering purchasing some investment property in the midwest (single family to fourplex). What should I expect with respect to mortgage rates and terms for a non-owner occupied investment property for someone who has decent credit (750 FICO) but who is self-employed and will need to rely on stated income.

FWIW, I do not own my own home.

Is it realistic to think that I can purchase with 10% down and get a 30 year fixed with a rate in the 6.5% range or am I completely out of my mind? Can someone give me a realistic expectation?

Thanks

 
Forgive me if this question has been recently discussed. This is a very long thread and I have not scanned it to see.I am considering purchasing some investment property in the midwest (single family to fourplex). What should I expect with respect to mortgage rates and terms for a non-owner occupied investment property for someone who has decent credit (750 FICO) but who is self-employed and will need to rely on stated income. FWIW, I do not own my own home.Is it realistic to think that I can purchase with 10% down and get a 30 year fixed with a rate in the 6.5% range or am I completely out of my mind? Can someone give me a realistic expectation?Thanks
That might be pushing it.I'd call local banks and see what investors are getting on apartment buildings.10% down might be difficult as well.You may want to contact your local real estate investment club to see what lenders are active in your area.6.5% might be tough.The important thing is not the rate, but the cash flow..... good luck.
 
If I do plumb, I am going Pex though too. My dad is a ex-piperfitter so he could teach me the copper but if Pex is the better option and i have to learn one or the other, might as well go Pex. I shouldn't have any "code" issues with Pex right? I know it is used in mobile homes a lot.
If I had to make a top 10 list of Greatest things ever invented when it comes to Rehabbing a property, PEX is easily in the top 5. It is the greatest thing ever. Sweating Copper isn't the end of the world, it just sucks.I have completely re-plumbed two homes (SFH, and Duplex where you have two of everything) in a SINGLE day with PEX. An untrained monkey can run the stuff. Super Easy. Will NOT break in cold down to NEGATIVE 32 degrees.PEX has been used in Europe for Decades. I don't have any code issues of any kind with it here.However, I have never run a Boiler with it (You said you had hot water heat), my mind tells me it won't work with a Boiler, but it very well could. I simply don't know. If it was allowed, there are a number of modification that would have to be made at the radiators.A New High Eff boiler will cost every bit of $5K to install. Last one I installed was $3.5K to buy, and I installed it myself. I'd bet it would have been $5K to have it done.HUGE question, is it a Hot Water or Steam Boiler?
 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags? They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Random, I haven't read down farther yet, but my Spidey sense is absolutely freaking out just reading that.Let me see what else is in here.
 
I basically play bank for him for a few years, then he gets a loan and everyones happy, but what if he cant? Do I seriously tell him tough luck, keep the 2500/yr he has given me on top of the rent and kick him to the curb?
Short answer: YesThe Devil is in the details though.
 
Forgive me if this question has been recently discussed. This is a very long thread and I have not scanned it to see.

I am considering purchasing some investment property in the midwest (single family to fourplex). What should I expect with respect to mortgage rates and terms for a non-owner occupied investment property for someone who has decent credit (750 FICO) but who is self-employed and will need to rely on stated income.

FWIW, I do not own my own home.

Is it realistic to think that I can purchase with 10% down and get a 30 year fixed with a rate in the 6.5% range or am I completely out of my mind? Can someone give me a realistic expectation?

Thanks
If it were Owner Oc, maybe. I don't see anywhere near 6.5% as investment with stated income. So buy a 4-plex, and move into one of the units.
 
Forgive me if this question has been recently discussed. This is a very long thread and I have not scanned it to see.

I am considering purchasing some investment property in the midwest (single family to fourplex). What should I expect with respect to mortgage rates and terms for a non-owner occupied investment property for someone who has decent credit (750 FICO) but who is self-employed and will need to rely on stated income.

FWIW, I do not own my own home.

Is it realistic to think that I can purchase with 10% down and get a 30 year fixed with a rate in the 6.5% range or am I completely out of my mind? Can someone give me a realistic expectation?

Thanks
If it were Owner Oc, maybe. I don't see anywhere near 6.5% as investment with stated income. So buy a 4-plex, and move into one of the units.
MikeI realize you are a seasoned veteran so you probably have a vast array of financing options, but what would someone like me expect in your market with conventional financing?

 
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Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags? They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Random, I haven't read down farther yet, but my Spidey sense is absolutely freaking out just reading that.Let me see what else is in here.
Alright, now that I am caught up, you could start a Girls squad with all the red flags in this one.1) Foreclosure, RIIIGHTTTTT2) Surely they bad mouthed/trashed the last LL3) Tries to throw big money at you / SMOKESCREEN4) Wants to "buy", knows the verbiage, he's a pro at suckering LLs who are desperate. He told the last LL that just evicted him the same thing.5) So they need a tax check to come up with moving costs. Read: Paycheck to paycheck. But they can support the 5 Animals that are going to tear up the house you just dumped thousands into?6) Quickly agreed to the extra $50. Why? Because they will only have to pay it the first month. Get in the door, never pay again. Will most likely try and write a check for move-in costs.7) Left his Info out. Have no idea where he works (He doesn't). He has TERRIBLE Credit as he is the one they ran their scams with in the past. Most likely has a Criminal record.8) Got her info, it will still suck, but it's not as bad as his. Customer Service Rep at Walmart. Sure, $90K for the house, no big deal, I think I have it in my back pocket. Must get Massive Stock Options, because the gal working returns at Walmart doesn't qualify for a $90K loan.Random, you are dealing with highly skilled deadbeats, with a PhD in screwing over LLs who don't know how to protect themselves. And you KNOW it. Your Spidey Sense went off. Learn to trust it. These people are more skilled than you are at the moment when it comes to renting. Never play with fire, you don't need this life lesson yet.Sunday is my Wife's day in the Off season. I'll PM my Cell phone number to you. Feel free to use it if you are ever inclined. Sundays and early AMs are off limits. :confused:
 
Forgive me if this question has been recently discussed. This is a very long thread and I have not scanned it to see.

I am considering purchasing some investment property in the midwest (single family to fourplex). What should I expect with respect to mortgage rates and terms for a non-owner occupied investment property for someone who has decent credit (750 FICO) but who is self-employed and will need to rely on stated income.

FWIW, I do not own my own home.

Is it realistic to think that I can purchase with 10% down and get a 30 year fixed with a rate in the 6.5% range or am I completely out of my mind? Can someone give me a realistic expectation?

Thanks
If it were Owner Oc, maybe. I don't see anywhere near 6.5% as investment with stated income. So buy a 4-plex, and move into one of the units.
MikeI realize you are a seasoned veteran so you probably have a vast array of financing options, but what would someone like me expect in your market with conventional financing?
750 Score with no prior experience or track record? Must go Stated, and it's an investment.20% down, somewhere in the 7% range. Say 7.125% and that is based Solely on my thoughts/guesses about a 750 credit score. Stated could even be in the low 8's.

I am NOT a Loan Orginator. Shoot a PM to Pronijna, he could answer your question. He never comes in here enough anyhow.

 
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However, the FED is expected to lower rates again soon. Those lower rates could and should effect SFHs and Duplexes, maybe triplexes. Quadplexes almost always get regulated to commercial nowadays (Didn't used to be the case) and Commercial doesn't really move with the FED as much as you would think.

 
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags? They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Random, I haven't read down farther yet, but my Spidey sense is absolutely freaking out just reading that.Let me see what else is in here.
Alright, now that I am caught up, you could start a Girls squad with all the red flags in this one.1) Foreclosure, RIIIGHTTTTT2) Surely they bad mouthed/trashed the last LL3) Tries to throw big money at you / SMOKESCREEN4) Wants to "buy", knows the verbiage, he's a pro at suckering LLs who are desperate. He told the last LL that just evicted him the same thing.5) So they need a tax check to come up with moving costs. Read: Paycheck to paycheck. But they can support the 5 Animals that are going to tear up the house you just dumped thousands into?6) Quickly agreed to the extra $50. Why? Because they will only have to pay it the first month. Get in the door, never pay again. Will most likely try and write a check for move-in costs.7) Left his Info out. Have no idea where he works (He doesn't). He has TERRIBLE Credit as he is the one they ran their scams with in the past. Most likely has a Criminal record.8) Got her info, it will still suck, but it's not as bad as his. Customer Service Rep at Walmart. Sure, $90K for the house, no big deal, I think I have it in my back pocket. Must get Massive Stock Options, because the gal working returns at Walmart doesn't qualify for a $90K loan.Random, you are dealing with highly skilled deadbeats, with a PhD in screwing over LLs who don't know how to protect themselves. And you KNOW it. Your Spidey Sense went off. Learn to trust it. These people are more skilled than you are at the moment when it comes to renting. Never play with fire, you don't need this life lesson yet.Sunday is my Wife's day in the Off season. I'll PM my Cell phone number to you. Feel free to use it if you are ever inclined. Sundays and early AMs are off limits. :popcorn:
Cant believe I just rolled out of bed early on a Sunday morning to see if you posted. Ok, I have a little more info regarding that couple. He called yesterday to see if I've made a decision yet. I told him I had not but that I did show the house to two other couples. I asked him why his info was not on the app and he said he thought she put it on. So I got it over the phone. Below is the summary of the three applicants.A) The land contract couple. App info follows:Couple in their 50's. Current LL is brother in law who is losing the house to foreclosure. Prior LL is a guy I know of that has alot of rentals around town. No reason for leaving given on app. Combined income is 4500/mo. Both say they work full time and have been employed at current jobs 3 and 4 years. She's at WalMart and he's at a local machine shop. No listed loans (CC, car pmts, ect). Smoker(s), no bankruptcy, evictions, never been sued, and no convictions (though I'm sure I spotted some jailhouse tats on his hand). Drives a 96 Jeep Cherokee.My take:The guy talked the whole time, complimented the work, said he would never bother us to fix anything as he was a GC for 20 years. They have a 7yo daughter, seemed well behaved, 2 cats and 3 dogs. Offered up a $500 pet deposit and wants to buy the property on land contract if I was so inclined. If anything, this guy "overdidit". I think a credit/criminal history will turn something up on him, but I could be wrong.B) The "Hunkerers". App info:Couple in their 50's. Currently manage a local camp ground and get free housing, but claim its too much work for not getting paid. Left prior rental to take the campground job. She quit her then job to be at the campground full time, he works at a factory and brings home 1600/mo. Been there 3 years. Have two girls (12,13). Pays 60/wk for a car financed at quick credit and has no other cc/loans. Smokers (showed up smoking), never been evicted, never been sued or convicted "had bankruptcy in 01" (like its an std or something). Reference listed is actually the Realtor that lists a good majority of the foreclosures around here.My take:These guys are straight shooters. He didn't try to sell himself, just wants his evenings and weekends back. Both bedrooms in the house are upstairs, but neither of them appeared to do stairs well. Sounded like the upstairs bedrooms would be the girls' and they would "hang a curtain" between the two living rooms to make one their bedroom. "We dont entertain". My feeling on these guys is they just want a place to hunker and smoke and as long as they have a paycheck they will pay rent. C) Admittedly my favorites. App info:Couple in their 20's. 7yo girl and twin 6yo boys. Currently renting a house that has a $700/mo water bill. Agreement with LL is no rent until water is fixed (leak under house or something). This is going on two months. Been there two years. He works at his family's business (buys and sells restaurant equipment) and she is in Beauty College. Both drive Cadillacs and have no loans. Nonsmokers, no bankruptcy, eviction, lawsuits, or criminal history. No pets. Had references with them on a word doc. I recognize a few of the names from school.My take:Very clean and personable couple. Did not have the renter "look". Really liked the house and is also going to make one of the downstairs rooms a bedroom. I did not feel like they were going out of their way to impress me, they were just nice respectable people. Father of the lady lives a few streets over. Asked about school district. "Spidey senses" liked these guys.D) Truck stop owner lady. She had to cancel yesterday because a freezer went down at he business but she really wants to see it. I'm supposed to call her today.
 
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Redesigned our Rental Website. Click the HillsideRent link down in my Sig and tell me what you think???Much thanks in advance!
Just clicked on 1319 Jefferson. 1) Plywood over the window? Looks like its been fixed from the interior pics, maybe you just need a new exterior pic?2) Cant click the pictures (living room, bedroom, ect) to blow them up.3) Nice work on the interior!
 
Sida,

I was quoted 7.3% on a 70% appraised value loan.

I'm not saying you should borrow to the hilt but there are some loaners that still do this. I believe this would have went through POLARIS HOME FUNDING CORPORATION . I am looking at 60% of appraised value after rehab to keep from getting over-extended. I should still get myself 100% cashed out of the property.

Try Huntington Bank for 10% down programs that charge only 1/4% more for non-occupied... you will need to pay PMI. 20% down gets you out of PMI.

 
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Random,

Can you please walk me through the numbers on your home? I am thinking your rent is too low at $600.

$60K loan at 7.2%: $407

Taxes: $100 ?

water and repairs $50 ?

At around $550 you are netting $50/month fully rented.

If I recall the value on the property is around $80K. Around here a home worth $80K fetched $750-$800 rent.

I'm just trying to get my arms around doing this. Thanks.

 
Random,Can you please walk me through the numbers on your home? I am thinking your rent is too low at $600.$60K loan at 7.2%: $407Taxes: $100 ?water and repairs $50 ?At around $550 you are netting $50/month fully rented.If I recall the value on the property is around $80K. Around here a home worth $80K fetched $750-$800 rent.I'm just trying to get my arms around doing this. Thanks.
I had it in the paper 2 weeks ago at $695 and got nothing. At $600, I've got my pick of who I will be renting to. I agree its a little low, but I like the idea of being able to pick my tenant and feeling comfortable they will be able to pay rent every month.46K invested + 14K cashout =60K interest only HELOC $350Taxes & Insurance $90Tenant pays all utilitiesTotal $440 Rent at $600 = + cashflow of $160. This is with nothing invested +14K (actually 7K since this 50/50 with my brother) in my pocket.Maybe I'm looking at this wrong?
 
Random,Can you please walk me through the numbers on your home? I am thinking your rent is too low at $600.$60K loan at 7.2%: $407Taxes: $100 ?water and repairs $50 ?At around $550 you are netting $50/month fully rented.If I recall the value on the property is around $80K. Around here a home worth $80K fetched $750-$800 rent.I'm just trying to get my arms around doing this. Thanks.
I had it in the paper 2 weeks ago at $695 and got nothing. At $600, I've got my pick of who I will be renting to. I agree its a little low, but I like the idea of being able to pick my tenant and feeling comfortable they will be able to pay rent every month.46K invested + 14K cashout =60K interest only HELOC $350Taxes & Insurance $90Tenant pays all utilitiesTotal $440 Rent at $600 = + cashflow of $160. This is with nothing invested +14K (actually 7K since this 50/50 with my brother) in my pocket.Maybe I'm looking at this wrong?
Not wrong at all.In the lowest tax area here it would be $165/month with taxes and insurance.You shaved $57 off by doing the interest-only HELOC (hopefully not variable).All in all you are way below my estimate.I think you did great on the home. Since you have is paid for now, have you considered selling L/C for top dollar and then discounting the note to sell and get all of your cash out within a year?
 
Not wrong at all.

In the lowest tax area here it would be $165/month with taxes and insurance.

You shaved $57 off by doing the interest-only HELOC (hopefully not variable).

All in all you are way below my estimate.

I think you did great on the home.

Since you have is paid for now, have you considered selling L/C for top dollar and then discounting the note to sell and get all of your cash out within a year?
Yep its variable (currently can do up to HELOC 80% ltv @ prime minus .51% OR 65% ltv 30 yr fixed at prime).HUH? on the bolded?

By comparison, I have a buddy that has 4 rentals and cashflows +100/unit per month. This is after he put 20% down on each property. Simply amazes me he thinks he's making a good investment.

 
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Not wrong at all.

In the lowest tax area here it would be $165/month with taxes and insurance.

You shaved $57 off by doing the interest-only HELOC (hopefully not variable).

All in all you are way below my estimate.

I think you did great on the home.

Since you have is paid for now, have you considered selling L/C for top dollar and then discounting the note to sell and get all of your cash out within a year?
Yep its variable (currently can do up to HELOC 80% ltv @ prime minus .51% OR 65% ltv 30 yr fixed at prime).HUH? on the bolded?

By comparison, I have a buddy that has 4 rentals and cashflows +100/unit per month. This is after he put 20% down on each property. Simply amazes me he thinks he's making a good investment.
This is for any of you Land Contract guys:I will gladly sell you a 90K L/C note if you want it. I have a renter that wants to buy the property on LC for 90K. He's yours if you want him.

Seriously, I'll take the highest bid over 80K for it. Is that fair? Let me know soon because I'm planning on getting it rented this week.

 
Put a bid in on Friday for this place. Tax appraised value is currently $70k. Looking to do the following and then flip it. Good neighborhood that I know pretty well. Lots of 65-85k homes in the area. Nice big lot. May even be able to split it up and keep the other lot.

Repaint or reside it. Siding is in really rough shape.

Roof

Windows maybe

Kitchen is small and old. I may be able to seal off a wall and make it much bigger. Would install new cabinets and countertops.

Bathroom needs updating, but not necassarily gutting and rebuilding.

Staircase is almost like a ladder. Will probably build a new staircase.

Basement just needs cleaning.

Looking at a budget of about 30k to do this work.

Questions and comments welcome.

 
Put a bid in on Friday for this place. Tax appraised value is currently $70k. Looking to do the following and then flip it. Good neighborhood that I know pretty well. Lots of 65-85k homes in the area. Nice big lot. May even be able to split it up and keep the other lot.

Repaint or reside it. Siding is in really rough shape.

Roof

Windows maybe

Kitchen is small and old. I may be able to seal off a wall and make it much bigger. Would install new cabinets and countertops.

Bathroom needs updating, but not necassarily gutting and rebuilding.

Staircase is almost like a ladder. Will probably build a new staircase.

Basement just needs cleaning.

Looking at a budget of about 30k to do this work.

Questions and comments welcome.
Nice looking property! 30K is a TON of money especially if you're doing the work yourself. Do you have a Menards in your area? Thats where we went for 99% of our rehab stuff. They run 0% no payments no interest for 6 months almost all the time, sometimes up to 18 months.
 
Not wrong at all.

In the lowest tax area here it would be $165/month with taxes and insurance.

You shaved $57 off by doing the interest-only HELOC (hopefully not variable).

All in all you are way below my estimate.

I think you did great on the home.

Since you have is paid for now, have you considered selling L/C for top dollar and then discounting the note to sell and get all of your cash out within a year?
Yep its variable (currently can do up to HELOC 80% ltv @ prime minus .51% OR 65% ltv 30 yr fixed at prime).HUH? on the bolded?

By comparison, I have a buddy that has 4 rentals and cashflows +100/unit per month. This is after he put 20% down on each property. Simply amazes me he thinks he's making a good investment.
I'll tell you what I know (very little)... and more importantly what I don't.You sell the home to someone that can not get conventional financing at a higher than normal interest rate. Say $80K, 4K down, 8% rate. Not sure how valid any of these numbers are but I am guessing I am close.

Now, after a year and the note is 'seasoned' you turn around and sell the note for about $72K netting the buyer 8K equity in a default situation and a 9% yield. You end up getting your cash out of the property with a $72K sale price. I'm not sure if 72K is a deap enough discount to attract note buyers.

I hope someone more knowledgeable will correct my post and figures.

You can not sell on a LC if you have the home mortgaged as it would trigger the 'due on sale' clause of your mortgage. You also delay getting your cash for a year so it may not work for you and your bro.

 
Question about using OPM...I was looking up some HML, and I noticed the standard is to charge 14% APY I/O for 6 months. You could probably do MUCH better using your credit card and some balance transfers to checking if you have the appropriate limits and BT offers.For example, one our Citi card offers a 6.9% APR for 6 months with no additional fees since we've used the initial 0% APR for 12 months BT offer. Anytime you get a new Citi card, they come with that 0% BT offer.You can BT to your checking account. So if you needed $20k, you BT to your checking account, "loan" it to your LLC (for liability reasons) and pay it back in 6 months. I know 6.9% APR is slightly higher in APY, but I don't know the correct calculation off the top of my head. It's WAY lower than 14% though, I'm sure.So the goal would be to get as many high limit, low BT% CCs as possible.Any downsides to this?
Been there, done that.It works short term. Then it starts messing with your credit score.Good strategy if you (A) have good credit and (B) can be sure that you can get in/out quick.What happens if you can't exit in 6 months? You can get screwed and have a worse credit score when you NEED to refinance.You can try it once or twice, but you can really screw your credit up with high debt to income ratios (and having cards maxxed out).After a few properties, stop that. Get a line of credit with the bank.
I wanted to take a second to expand on this as it is something I am seriously considering and have been giving much thought. I am not an expert on how to quantify the impacts on ones credit score. I do realize that maxing out cards and elevating your ratios will have a negative impact on your score. However, I would assume that if you used your credit cards responsibly, made your payments and recycled the process over and over that the impact wouldn't be that significant. Again, not an expert...but would love to have someone expand on this in more detail.Personally, I am repeatedly getting offers from my credit card companies for balance transfer offers. I have noticed over the last few months that many have taken off the caps on their balance transfer fees. You used to be able to transfer as much as you want for 3% fee with a max of $99 to $199 dollars. Now, most are 3% fee on the entire balance.I have roughly 100K in available credit lines with my credit card companies and do not forsee it being a problem at all for me to siphon off 40K for 6 months to a year with one card and then transfer it repeatedly to another card(s). Wish, rinse, repeat.The main thing you have to realize is that although the money is "cheap", you still have to deal with the monthly minimum payments...which are anywhere from 1%-3% of the balance. So..even if you are getting "free" or "cheap" money from the credit card, your monthly debt service is going to be significantly higher in raw dollar outlays each month versus traditional lending sources that are amortized.Let me see if the works below. I have assumed a $40,000 balance transfer to a banking account and havent included the 3% fee for easy math. I would only do this if the fee were capped I think. Anyway, the right hand column represents your 2% monthly minimum payment on the 0% balance transfer. The left column represents outstanding balance owed.
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$40,000.00	$800.00$39,200.00	$784.00$38,416.00	$768.32$37,647.68	$752.95$36,894.73	$737.89$36,156.83	$723.14$35,433.70	$708.67$34,725.02	$694.50$34,030.52	$680.61$33,349.91	$667.00$32,682.91	$653.66$32,029.25	$640.59$31,388.67	$627.77$30,760.90	$615.22$30,145.68	$602.91$29,542.76	$590.86$28,951.91	$579.04$28,372.87	$567.46$27,805.41	$556.11$27,249.30	$544.99$26,704.32	$534.09$26,170.23	$523.40$25,646.83	$512.94$25,133.89	$502.68
Obviously, you arent going to get a 0% balance transfer for 24 months. But, you could realistically get 3 eight month 0% offers and you would have to add in the three fees for each transfer to get a more accurate number.However, when I look at Mike and others buying for cash flow (which is my goal/interest) in these midwestern places, I wonder...why can't I use my credit cards to facilitate this.FWIW, I do have one credit card with a 11,000 line available that only charges 1% minimum payment. So, I could do a balance transfer for 1% (they don't have 0% right now) without a fee to transfer it and only pay 110 bucks a month to start. So, I think to myself...by a 50K duplex and use my 10K for a 20% down. Just thinking out loud.
 
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Question about using OPM...I was looking up some HML, and I noticed the standard is to charge 14% APY I/O for 6 months. You could probably do MUCH better using your credit card and some balance transfers to checking if you have the appropriate limits and BT offers.For example, one our Citi card offers a 6.9% APR for 6 months with no additional fees since we've used the initial 0% APR for 12 months BT offer. Anytime you get a new Citi card, they come with that 0% BT offer.You can BT to your checking account. So if you needed $20k, you BT to your checking account, "loan" it to your LLC (for liability reasons) and pay it back in 6 months. I know 6.9% APR is slightly higher in APY, but I don't know the correct calculation off the top of my head. It's WAY lower than 14% though, I'm sure.So the goal would be to get as many high limit, low BT% CCs as possible.Any downsides to this?
Been there, done that.It works short term. Then it starts messing with your credit score.Good strategy if you (A) have good credit and (B) can be sure that you can get in/out quick.What happens if you can't exit in 6 months? You can get screwed and have a worse credit score when you NEED to refinance.You can try it once or twice, but you can really screw your credit up with high debt to income ratios (and having cards maxxed out).After a few properties, stop that. Get a line of credit with the bank.
I wanted to take a second to expand on this as it is something I am seriously considering and have been giving much thought. I am not an expert on how to quantify the impacts on ones credit score. I do realize that maxing out cards and elevating your ratios will have a negative impact on your score. However, I would assume that if you used your credit cards responsibly, made your payments and recycled the process over and over that the impact wouldn't be that significant. Again, not an expert...but would love to have someone expand on this in more detail.Personally, I am repeatedly getting offers from my credit card companies for balance transfer offers. I have noticed over the last few months that many have taken off the caps on their balance transfer fees. You used to be able to transfer as much as you want for 3% fee with a max of $99 to $199 dollars. Now, most are 3% fee on the entire balance.I have roughly 100K in available credit lines with my credit card companies and do not forsee it being a problem at all for me to siphon off 40K for 6 months to a year with one card and then transfer it repeatedly to another card(s). Wish, rinse, repeat.The main thing you have to realize is that although the money is "cheap", you still have to deal with the monthly minimum payments...which are anywhere from 1%-3% of the balance. So..even if you are getting "free" or "cheap" money from the credit card, your monthly debt service is going to be significantly higher in raw dollar outlays each month versus traditional lending sources that are amortized.Let me see if the works below. I have assumed a $40,000 balance transfer to a banking account and havent included the 3% fee for easy math. I would only do this if the fee were capped I think. Anyway, the right hand column represents your 2% monthly minimum payment on the 0% balance transfer. The left column represents outstanding balance owed.
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$40,000.00	$800.00$39,200.00	$784.00$38,416.00	$768.32$37,647.68	$752.95$36,894.73	$737.89$36,156.83	$723.14$35,433.70	$708.67$34,725.02	$694.50$34,030.52	$680.61$33,349.91	$667.00$32,682.91	$653.66$32,029.25	$640.59$31,388.67	$627.77$30,760.90	$615.22$30,145.68	$602.91$29,542.76	$590.86$28,951.91	$579.04$28,372.87	$567.46$27,805.41	$556.11$27,249.30	$544.99$26,704.32	$534.09$26,170.23	$523.40$25,646.83	$512.94$25,133.89	$502.68
Obviously, you arent going to get a 0% balance transfer for 24 months. But, you could realistically get 3 eight month 0% offers and you would have to add in the three fees for each transfer to get a more accurate number.However, when I look at Mike and others buying for cash flow (which is my goal/interest) in these midwestern places, I wonder...why can't I use my credit cards to facilitate this.FWIW, I do have one credit card with a 11,000 line available that only charges 1% minimum payment. So, I could do a balance transfer for 1% (they don't have 0% right now) without a fee to transfer it and only pay 110 bucks a month to start. So, I think to myself...by a 50K duplex and use my 10K for a 20% down. Just thinking out loud.
I've done both investment properties this way. The one I'm currently in I bought on my HELOC for 33K then transferred 25K to a 0% for 18 month credit card. I'm only paying about $80/mo in interest (if that, dont have the #'s in front of me). If I dont sell the house by the time the 18 months is up, I'll pay it off with the equity line.Last house, same thing, only I put 15K worth of improvements on 0% cards. Had the house sold before the cards were due.
 
Additionally, most of my credit cards only have a 9.99% rate after the BT promotional rate expires, which is still better than a hard money lender and not too far off from conventional financing sources in terms of managing your properties in the short term. Moreover, many of my cards also have 3.9 to 6.9% lifetime balance transfer rates.

Again, where you can run into trouble is on the monthly minimums which are considerably higher than a 30 year amort. However, almost all of that payment is going to principal paydown.

However, I would still like to hear more about the impacts (short and long term) on ones credit score.

 
Random said:
Sabertooth said:
Put a bid in on Friday for this place. Tax appraised value is currently $70k. Looking to do the following and then flip it. Good neighborhood that I know pretty well. Lots of 65-85k homes in the area. Nice big lot. May even be able to split it up and keep the other lot.

Repaint or reside it. Siding is in really rough shape.

Roof

Windows maybe

Kitchen is small and old. I may be able to seal off a wall and make it much bigger. Would install new cabinets and countertops.

Bathroom needs updating, but not necassarily gutting and rebuilding.

Staircase is almost like a ladder. Will probably build a new staircase.

Basement just needs cleaning.

Looking at a budget of about 30k to do this work.

Questions and comments welcome.
Nice looking property! 30K is a TON of money especially if you're doing the work yourself. Do you have a Menards in your area? Thats where we went for 99% of our rehab stuff. They run 0% no payments no interest for 6 months almost all the time, sometimes up to 18 months.
I have a Menards card already. I don't know the credit limit. Can I apply for a line of credit through them or something too? I'd imagine if I told them I was buying a 5000 kitchen, they'd figure out how to finance it for me.
 
Random said:
Mike Anderson said:
Re ran the for rent ad this weekend. Dropped to 600/mo. Had a showing last night and they want it. Couple in their 50's with a 7yo daughter. Moving out of current rental due to foreclosure (said they paid rent, but landlord didn't pay bank). Guy actually wants to give me 2500 down per year to build up equity so he can buy it in 3 years. Is this normal? I told him it is for sale for 90K and he didn't squabble a bit. I'm shuked here. Should I accept the 2500? Is this some sort of scam? He's not Nigerian or anything. They also have 2 cats and 3 dogs. He agreed to an extra 50/mo rent because of this.

She filled out the rental app but left his info out. She is a csr at Walmart but didn't put any income info on the app. Red flags?

They said they will be able to move in by the 22nd. Waiting for tax refund.

I've got two showings scheduled for today. One lady owns a local diner. The other is a young couple. Guess I'll update later.
Random, I haven't read down farther yet, but my Spidey sense is absolutely freaking out just reading that.

Let me see what else is in here.
Alright, now that I am caught up, you could start a Girls squad with all the red flags in this one.1) Foreclosure, RIIIGHTTTTT

2) Surely they bad mouthed/trashed the last LL

3) Tries to throw big money at you / SMOKESCREEN

4) Wants to "buy", knows the verbiage, he's a pro at suckering LLs who are desperate. He told the last LL that just evicted him the same thing.

5) So they need a tax check to come up with moving costs. Read: Paycheck to paycheck. But they can support the 5 Animals that are going to tear up the house you just dumped thousands into?

6) Quickly agreed to the extra $50. Why? Because they will only have to pay it the first month. Get in the door, never pay again. Will most likely try and write a check for move-in costs.

7) Left his Info out. Have no idea where he works (He doesn't). He has TERRIBLE Credit as he is the one they ran their scams with in the past. Most likely has a Criminal record.

8) Got her info, it will still suck, but it's not as bad as his. Customer Service Rep at Walmart. Sure, $90K for the house, no big deal, I think I have it in my back pocket. Must get Massive Stock Options, because the gal working returns at Walmart doesn't qualify for a $90K loan.

Random, you are dealing with highly skilled deadbeats, with a PhD in screwing over LLs who don't know how to protect themselves. And you KNOW it. Your Spidey Sense went off. Learn to trust it. These people are more skilled than you are at the moment when it comes to renting. Never play with fire, you don't need this life lesson yet.

Sunday is my Wife's day in the Off season. I'll PM my Cell phone number to you. Feel free to use it if you are ever inclined. Sundays and early AMs are off limits. :brush:
Cant believe I just rolled out of bed early on a Sunday morning to see if you posted. Ok, I have a little more info regarding that couple. He called yesterday to see if I've made a decision yet. I told him I had not but that I did show the house to two other couples. I asked him why his info was not on the app and he said he thought she put it on. So I got it over the phone. Below is the summary of the three applicants.A) The land contract couple. App info follows:

Couple in their 50's. Current LL is brother in law who is losing the house to foreclosure. Prior LL is a guy I know of that has alot of rentals around town. No reason for leaving given on app. Combined income is 4500/mo. Both say they work full time and have been employed at current jobs 3 and 4 years. She's at WalMart and he's at a local machine shop. No listed loans (CC, car pmts, ect). Smoker(s), no bankruptcy, evictions, never been sued, and no convictions (though I'm sure I spotted some jailhouse tats on his hand). Drives a 96 Jeep Cherokee.

My take:

The guy talked the whole time, complimented the work, said he would never bother us to fix anything as he was a GC for 20 years. They have a 7yo daughter, seemed well behaved, 2 cats and 3 dogs. Offered up a $500 pet deposit and wants to buy the property on land contract if I was so inclined. If anything, this guy "overdidit". I think a credit/criminal history will turn something up on him, but I could be wrong.



My Take: Freaking Run. Certainly check out the background, but I'm telling you.

B) The "Hunkerers". App info:

Couple in their 50's. Currently manage a local camp ground and get free housing, but claim its too much work for not getting paid. Left prior rental to take the campground job. She quit her then job to be at the campground full time, he works at a factory and brings home 1600/mo. Been there 3 years. Have two girls (12,13). Pays 60/wk for a car financed at quick credit and has no other cc/loans. Smokers (showed up smoking), never been evicted, never been sued or convicted "had bankruptcy in 01" (like its an std or something). Reference listed is actually the Realtor that lists a good majority of the foreclosures around here.

My take:

These guys are straight shooters. He didn't try to sell himself, just wants his evenings and weekends back. Both bedrooms in the house are upstairs, but neither of them appeared to do stairs well. Sounded like the upstairs bedrooms would be the girls' and they would "hang a curtain" between the two living rooms to make one their bedroom. "We dont entertain". My feeling on these guys is they just want a place to hunker and smoke and as long as they have a paycheck they will pay rent.



My Take: They don't make enough money to Qualify. At the very least you need

GROSS Income > 3 X Rent

They are a mess anyway.

C) Admittedly my favorites. App info:

Couple in their 20's. 7yo girl and twin 6yo boys. Currently renting a house that has a $700/mo water bill. Agreement with LL is no rent until water is fixed (leak under house or something). This is going on two months. Been there two years. He works at his family's business (buys and sells restaurant equipment) and she is in Beauty College. Both drive Cadillacs and have no loans. Nonsmokers, no bankruptcy, eviction, lawsuits, or criminal history. No pets. Had references with them on a word doc. I recognize a few of the names from school.

My take:

Very clean and personable couple. Did not have the renter "look". Really liked the house and is also going to make one of the downstairs rooms a bedroom. I did not feel like they were going out of their way to impress me, they were just nice respectable people. Father of the lady lives a few streets over. Asked about school district. "Spidey senses" liked these guys.

I would run a solid background check, Criminal, Civil, Credit, Employment, Past LLs, and feel good about renting to them if everything was a go.

D) Truck stop owner lady. She had to cancel yesterday because a freezer went down at he business but she really wants to see it. I'm supposed to call her today.



Can't comment at this point
Thoughts in red
 
Random said:
Do you have a Menards in your area? Thats where we went for 99% of our rehab stuff. They run 0% no payments no interest for 6 months almost all the time, sometimes up to 18 months.
I seriously live at Menard's. I know every single Cashier by name and most of the floor staff. Every time I leave the gal running the front desk yells out "See you tomorrow".
 
Mike...on your application change "convicted of a crimes" to "arrested for a crime".

Also several of the pages aren't sizing properly on my screen and I lose the lefthand side.

 
For those that flip homes. How do you paint? I've ordered some educational material and he states that he paints everything an antique white to avoid cutting in and save time. Seems to make sense? How do you guys do it?

 
Sabertooth said:
For those that flip homes. How do you paint? I've ordered some educational material and he states that he paints everything an antique white to avoid cutting in and save time. Seems to make sense? How do you guys do it?
Tuscan Beige Duron in flat latex. This color really pops with white trim. For you rental guys it touchs up like no ones business.
 
Sabertooth said:
For those that flip homes. How do you paint? I've ordered some educational material and he states that he paints everything an antique white to avoid cutting in and save time. Seems to make sense? How do you guys do it?
Tuscan Beige Duron in flat latex. This color really pops with white trim. For you rental guys it touchs up like no ones business.
Interesting. I've alway used satin on the walls have the ability to wash them.
 

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