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[Chadstroma]

Ukraine war live: UK tells Russia it risks armed conflict with Nato

UN Security Council meets over Estonia claim that Kremlin fighter jets violated its airspace as Putin offers US president extension to nuclear deal

www.independent.co.uk

The UK’s foreign secretary Yvette Cooper has told the Russian delegation to the UN their country is risking armed conflict but that British jets are ready to confront Moscow’s planes violating Nato airspace.

Ukraine’s ‘Ghost’ unit takes out Russian amphibious war planes for the first time

Ukraine’s elite “Ghost” unit carried out an assault on Russia’s Black Sea fleet over the weekend, destroying a pair of amphibious war planes for the first-time during the wa…

nypost.com

I am really not understanding what Russia's goal is here. Russia can not afford an actual armed conflict with NATO with their military chewed up in Ukraine. What Russia gets out of it versus the risk is not a good trade off for them. It reeks of desperation.

 

[Dezbelief]

Ukraine war live: UK tells Russia it risks armed conflict with Nato

UN Security Council meets over Estonia claim that Kremlin fighter jets violated its airspace as Putin offers US president extension to nuclear deal

www.independent.co.uk

The UK’s foreign secretary Yvette Cooper has told the Russian delegation to the UN their country is risking armed conflict but that British jets are ready to confront Moscow’s planes violating Nato airspace.

Ukraine’s ‘Ghost’ unit takes out Russian amphibious war planes for the first time

Ukraine’s elite “Ghost” unit carried out an assault on Russia’s Black Sea fleet over the weekend, destroying a pair of amphibious war planes for the first-time during the wa…

nypost.com

I am really not understanding what Russia's goal is here. Russia can not afford an actual armed conflict with NATO with their military chewed up in Ukraine. What Russia gets out of it versus the risk is not a good trade off for them. It reeks of desperation.

He has N Korea soliders to draw from. Would China get involved?

 

[Dezbelief]

3 Russian Mi-8 helicopters, radar station destroyed in occupied Crimea, Ukraine's HUR says

"The Russian invaders' air fleet in the temporarily occupied Crimea has been reduced again as a result of successful combat operations," Ukraine's military intelligence (HUR) said.

kyivindependent.com

Ukraine's military intelligence (HUR) destroyed three Russian Mi-8 helicopters and a radar station in occupied Crimea, the agency reported on Sept. 21.

"The Russian invaders' air fleet in the temporarily occupied Crimea has been reduced again as a result of successful combat operations," HUR wrote on Telegram.

The Mi-8 is a medium-lift helicopter widely used by Russia for transport, reconnaissance, and combat support. It can carry troops and equipment or be outfitted as a gunship.

The radar destroyed was identified as the 55Zh6U Nebo-U, a mobile early-warning system capable of detecting stealth aircraft and cruise missiles at long ranges.

Such radars provide critical targeting data for surface-to-air missile systems.

 

[Dezbelief]

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, September 21, 2025

Russia has reportedly been forming a strategic reserve from new recruits since July 2025, per the Institute for the Study of War's report.

understandingwar.org

Key Takeaways

Russia has reportedly been forming a strategic reserve from new recruits since July 2025.

The Russian military command may have assessed that Russia could afford to create a strategic reserve after Russian losses began to decrease in the summer of 2025.

Reports that Russia is creating a strategic reserve further indicate that the Kremlin is not interested in ending its war against Ukraine but remains committed to achieving its war goals on the battlefield and may be preparing for a conflict with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

Russia continues to test the limits of NATO’s air defenses over the Baltic Sea as Russia increases the frequency of its violations of NATO states’ airspace.

 

[WVU Alum]

Ukraine war live: UK tells Russia it risks armed conflict with Nato

UN Security Council meets over Estonia claim that Kremlin fighter jets violated its airspace as Putin offers US president extension to nuclear deal

www.independent.co.uk

The UK’s foreign secretary Yvette Cooper has told the Russian delegation to the UN their country is risking armed conflict but that British jets are ready to confront Moscow’s planes violating Nato airspace.

Ukraine’s ‘Ghost’ unit takes out Russian amphibious war planes for the first time

Ukraine’s elite “Ghost” unit carried out an assault on Russia’s Black Sea fleet over the weekend, destroying a pair of amphibious war planes for the first-time during the wa…

nypost.com

I am really not understanding what Russia's goal is here. Russia can not afford an actual armed conflict with NATO with their military chewed up in Ukraine. What Russia gets out of it versus the risk is not a good trade off for them. It reeks of desperation.

He has N Korea soliders to draw from. Would China get involved?

China knows it stands to gain a lot more with the West than with Russia, at this point. If India is swayed… China could be too.

 

[fatness]

'If we need to confront planes operating in Nato airspace without permission, we will,' UK's Cooper warns, as she says Putin risking armed confrontation with Nato

UK foreign secretary Yvette Cooper is up next. She says Russia keeps “violating its most basic obligations under the UN Charter” with “escalating” attacks on Ukraine, and “reckless” acts of incursion into Polish, Romanian and Estonian airspace.

“These latest acts are dangerous and reckless.
At worst, they are a deliberate attempt to undermine the territorial integrity of sovereign nations and European security.
They risk miscalculation, they open the door to direct armed confrontation between Nato and Russia.”

 

[GroveDiesel]

Whoa. In a pretty big turn, President Trump is now saying that with NATO support, he believes that Ukraine can win back all of their land. And in the Truth Social post he made, calls out Russia as a “paper tiger”.

Link

That’s a pretty huge shift. Wonder how Putin responds?

 

[Chadstroma]

Ukraine war live: UK tells Russia it risks armed conflict with Nato

UN Security Council meets over Estonia claim that Kremlin fighter jets violated its airspace as Putin offers US president extension to nuclear deal

www.independent.co.uk

The UK’s foreign secretary Yvette Cooper has told the Russian delegation to the UN their country is risking armed conflict but that British jets are ready to confront Moscow’s planes violating Nato airspace.

Ukraine’s ‘Ghost’ unit takes out Russian amphibious war planes for the first time

Ukraine’s elite “Ghost” unit carried out an assault on Russia’s Black Sea fleet over the weekend, destroying a pair of amphibious war planes for the first-time during the wa…

nypost.com

I am really not understanding what Russia's goal is here. Russia can not afford an actual armed conflict with NATO with their military chewed up in Ukraine. What Russia gets out of it versus the risk is not a good trade off for them. It reeks of desperation.

He has N Korea soliders to draw from. Would China get involved?

China has zero interest in fighting for Russia. They are happy to buy cheap gas, sell "dual use" and whatever else they can to Russia and watch Russia weaken becoming more of a client state than a near peer ally. However, if Russia and NATO went to war, I could see China seeing it as their window opening to attack Taiwan. It is economically and strategically vital that we protect Taiwan so that would mean a true WWIII with us engaged in Europe and Asia again just like WWII but against different countries with different allies.

The gas situation in Russia is worsening with Russia having no real options to fix it other than ending the war in Ukraine which Putin can not do or else seriously risk his regime. Maybe these incursion along with the recent one on Denmark as well as saber rattling over Moldova and pre-positioning large amounts of ammunition in Belarus, maybe they are getting so desperate that the play is to pick a fight with NATO hoping (or maybe an outright agreement) that China would materially directly support it in order for China to invade Taiwan. I don't know. I am not seeing the play here for Russia clearly.

 

[fatness]

Whoa. In a pretty big turn, President Trump is now saying that with NATO support, he believes that Ukraine can win back all of their land. And in the Truth Social post he made, calls out Russia as a “paper tiger”.

Link

That’s a pretty huge shift. Wonder how Putin responds?

Pretty sure we'll know Putin's response either tonight or tomorrow night, if his attacks continue.
And I do hope Trump sticks to wanting Russia completely out of Ukraine. With so many zigs and zags so far, I don't feel confident that he will. But I'd love to be wrong.
From your link

President Donald Trump said Tuesday afternoon that he thinks Ukraine, with help from the European Union, could win back its territory from Russia and return the country to its original borders.

The president had suggested numerous times that giving up some land would be a key component of resolving Ukraine's war with Russia. "After getting to know and fully understand the Ukraine/Russia Military and Economic situation and, after seeing the Economic trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form," Trump said in a lengthy post on Truth Social. The president said that with the financial support of NATO, returning Ukraine to its original borders is "very much an option." He added that Russia has been "fighting aimlessly for three and a half years a War that should have taken a Real Military Power less than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia."

Trump suggested that once Russian citizens realize how much is being spent on fighting Ukraine, which he said has "Great Spirit, and only getting better, Ukraine would be able to take back their Country in its original form and, who knows, maybe even go further than that!" The president said Russian President Vladimir Putin and his country are in "BIG Economic trouble, and this is the time for Ukraine to act." He said that the U.S. will continue to supply weapons to NATO "for NATO to do what they want with them."

Asked about Trump's post, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told reporters: "It’s a big shift. This post of Trump it’s a big shift. Very positive." It wasn’t immediately clear if Trump envisions the borders returning to what they were before Russia invaded in February 2022, or if it would also include Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014.

Trump's post on social media Tuesday came after he met earlier in the day with Zelenskyy for the fifth time in person during his second term on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

Zelenskyy is a remarkably patient man.

 

[Chadstroma]

Whoa. In a pretty big turn, President Trump is now saying that with NATO support, he believes that Ukraine can win back all of their land. And in the Truth Social post he made, calls out Russia as a “paper tiger”.

Link

That’s a pretty huge shift. Wonder how Putin responds?

Trump is pissed with Putin. Putin had his chance to get generous help from the US to end this war and he wasted it trying to string Trump along.

 

[Dezbelief]

Client Challenge

Ukraine’s drone strikes on Russian oil refineries have disrupted domestic supplies and pushed Russia’s diesel exports towards their lowest levels since 2020.

Sixteen of Russia’s 38 refineries have been hit since the start of August, some of them multiple times, including one of Russia’s largest fuel-processing facilities, the 340,000 barrel-a-day plant at Ryazan, close to Moscow.

The strikes have disrupted more than 1mn barrels a day of Russia’s refining capacity, according to Energy Aspects, a research group. Diesel exports, if they maintain the current rate, will fall to the lowest monthly total in September since 2020, according to both OilX and Vortexa, which track cargoes.

“It seems to be the most effective campaign that Ukraine has carried out so far,” said Benedict George, head of European petroleum products pricing at Argus, which reports commodity prices.

Russia is the second-largest diesel exporter in the world, with about half its cargoes going to Turkey, followed by other markets in west and north Africa and Brazil — as the EU and UK do not directly import the Russian fuel. While Moscow has imposed export bans on Russian gasoline for the most part of this year, its diesel sales abroad have so far been unrestricted.

George said Turkey had turned to India and Saudi Arabia to make up for the shortfall, and that premiums for diesel have risen this month to about $25 to $30 a barrel over the price of benchmark Brent crude oil. This is the highest level since summer, when Israel’s war with Iran sent prices to a 15-month high over supply fears.

 

[fatness]

One of the world’s largest cargo planes flew at a shockingly low altitude to avoid a swarm of Ukrainian drones early this morning. The Russian defence ministry’s Antonov-124 stunned residents as it flew low above apartment buildings towards Vnukovo airport in Moscow. The manoeuvre was to avoid Ukrainian kamikaze drones, which targeted Moscow during the night and this morning, causing flight chaos.

Russian air defences shot down many of the incoming unmanned drones in one of the largest Ukrainian attacks on Vladimir Putin’s capital city since the start of the war. An explosion in a car park in Reutov – nine miles east of the Kremlin – was reported on a rare night when the war came to Moscow.

Link with video

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Copenhagen: drones shut down Europe’sbiggest airport.

- Oslo’s airport also closed.

Russia's involvement in drone sightings cannot be ruled out, Danish PM says

 

[Chadstroma]

Putin Orders Succession Plan for Russia's Next Leadership - Newsweek https://share.google/l0TYg9QSK7giCLePs

 

[Dezbelief]

Ukrainian drones stage new attack on major Russian petrochemical complex

Ukrainian drones attacked one of Russia's largest petrochemical complexes, Salavat in the southern Bashkortostan region, for the second time in less than a week, the local governor said, and two sources said a major unit caught fire.

www.reuters.com

Ukraine intensifies strikes as peace talks stall
Same complex hit last week, Ufa refinery targeted this month
Salavat produces fuels, plastics, ammonia
MOSCOW, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Ukrainian drones attacked one of Russia's largest petrochemical complexes, Salavat in the southern Bashkortostan region, for the second time in less than a week, the local governor said, and two sources said a major unit caught fire.
Ukraine has attacked more than 10 Russian refineries and export terminals over the past two months, some more than 1,000 km (620 miles) from the border, dealing the biggest blow to the Russian economy since the start of the war.

Gazprom Neftekhim Salavat has been subjected to another terrorist drone attack. We are assessing the extent of the damage. All emergency services are on scene, and firefighting measures are underway," governor Radiy Khabirov said on Telegram on Wednesday.
Two industry sources said the CDU-6 crude distillation unit caught fire after the attack. The unit normally processes around 6 million tons of oil and gas condensate per year, accounting for around 60% of the plant's total production capacity.

The plant's press service declined to comment.
The drones attacked the same complex, controlled by energy giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM), opens new tab, last week, when, according to the sources, another main unit, CDU-4, was set ablaze.
It was not clear when the units would return to operation.
Russian refining has dropped by almost 20% during some days and exports have fallen too, forcing Russia to consider oil production cuts and limit fuel exports to avoid exacerbating shortages at home.

With peace talks stalled, Ukrainian drones earlier this month also hit an oil refinery in Ufa, Bashkortostan's regional capital, about 1,400 km (870 miles) from the Ukrainian border.
The Salavat petrochemical complex produces gasoline, diesel, kerosene and other petroleum products as well as liquefied gases, butyl alcohols, polyethylene, polystyrene and ammonia.
According to the sources, the plant processed 7.2 million tons of oil in 2024, or around 2.7% of Russia's total oil refining, producing 2.5 million tons of diesel, 1.5 million tons of gasoline and 700,000 tons of fuel oil.

 

[fatness]

Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine changes, while his actions so far remain the same

Trump’s aim in releasing the statement was to exert “maximum public pressure on Russia to get them to the table for a deal” to end the war, according to a senior Trump administration official. Next steps will depend on how Russia responds, said the official, who did not lay out any specific policy changes happening now.
There are different ways to construe Trump’s statement. One is that he’s grown tired of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s persistence in shelling Ukraine and is prepared to step up coercive measures aimed at getting Russia to pull back

Another interpretation is that Trump is done with what’s proved a futile effort to midwife a peace deal. Instead, Trump is leaving it to the combatants and European nations to resolve the war as best they can.
“Good luck to all!” Trump wrote at the end of his post.
Nothing in Trump’s post committed the U.S. to more aggressive action on Ukraine’s behalf. He did not say he would impose secondary sanctions on China for its economic support of Russia. Nor did he pledge to slap new sanctions on Russia. Rather, he said the U.S. would continue something it is already doing: selling weapons to NATO that the alliance is in turn supplying to Ukraine.

 

[Chadstroma]

Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine changes, while his actions so far remain the same

Trump’s aim in releasing the statement was to exert “maximum public pressure on Russia to get them to the table for a deal” to end the war, according to a senior Trump administration official. Next steps will depend on how Russia responds, said the official, who did not lay out any specific policy changes happening now.
There are different ways to construe Trump’s statement. One is that he’s grown tired of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s persistence in shelling Ukraine and is prepared to step up coercive measures aimed at getting Russia to pull back

Another interpretation is that Trump is done with what’s proved a futile effort to midwife a peace deal. Instead, Trump is leaving it to the combatants and European nations to resolve the war as best they can.
“Good luck to all!” Trump wrote at the end of his post.
Nothing in Trump’s post committed the U.S. to more aggressive action on Ukraine’s behalf. He did not say he would impose secondary sanctions on China for its economic support of Russia. Nor did he pledge to slap new sanctions on Russia. Rather, he said the U.S. would continue something it is already doing: selling weapons to NATO that the alliance is in turn supplying to Ukraine.

It seems A-10's are being sent to Europe. Also, gave backing for NATO nations to shoot down drones or aircraft that violate their airspace.

 

[fatness]

Russian troops shoot family, use underage daughter as human shield in eastern Ukraine, military says

Even before the assault on the settlement, a Russian commander with the callsign "Bali" reportedly ordered his troops to "kill everyone indiscriminately," including the civilian population, "except for the children."
A video released by the 3rd Corps shows aerial footage of Russian troops taking the girl hostage, and includes intercepted audio of the Russian commander's orders. A Russian unit broke into a house and killed the girl's parents before abducting her. She was then held hostage to prevent Ukrainian troops from opening fire during the ongoing battle, according to the military.
"All radio intercepts confirm that Russian actions were premeditated," the statement read.

 

[fatness]

Zelensky says he won't seek re-election after war, will push for elections during potential ceasefire

President Volodymyr Zelensky won't seek a second term in office after Russia's full-scale war ends, he said in an interview with Axios published on Sept. 25. Zelensky’s comments come amid ongoing peace efforts to end the war, although Russia refuses to agree to a ceasefire and continues its attacks on Ukraine. "If we finish (the) war with (the) Russians, I'm ready not to go for the second term because it's not my goal — elections," Zelensky said in a released excerpt of the interview. "I wanted very much in a very difficult period of time to be with my country, help my country. My goal is to finish the war."

 

[fatness]

Russian fuel crisis escalates as half of gas stations in occupied Crimea halt gasoline sales, Kremlin extends export ban

Around 50% of gas stations in occupied Crimea and Sevastopol have stopped selling gasoline due to fuel supply disruptions, Russian pro-government media outlet Kommersant reported on Sept. 24. The publication, citing monitoring data from 17,000 Russian gas stations, said shortages were also recorded in other regions, but the situation was most acute on the peninsula.

Russian authorities plan to extend the ban on gasoline exports and have introduced a ban on diesel exports for non-producers, Deputy Prime Minister Aleksandr Novak said on Sept. 25. "We will extend the ban on gasoline exports until the end of the year," he told Russian media.
The disruption follows a wave of Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries in August, which have strained supplies and forced Moscow to cut exports. Ukrainian strikes have targeted at least 16 of Russia's 38 oil refineries since August 2025, according to the Financial Times, pushing Russian diesel exports down to their lowest level since 2020.

 

[fatness]

Kremlin officials 'will have to know where the bomb shelters are,' Zelensky says

Kremlin officials will need to "know where the bomb shelters are," President Volodymyr Zelensky has said, after he suggested the U.S. may give Ukraine new long-range weapons. Speaking in an interview with Axios published on Sept. 25, Zelensky said Kyiv would not target civilians because "we are not terrorists," but noted that centers of power, including the Kremlin, could be legitimate targets. "They have to know where the bomb shelters are," Zelensky said of Kremlin officials. "They have to know that we in Ukraine will answer. If they attack us, we will answer them."
Zelensky said main targets would include energy infrastructure and weapons production facilities, adding that a new U.S. weapons system could force Russian President Vladimir Putin to negotiate. According to Zelensky, U.S. President Donald Trump expressed support for such strikes, saying, "We will work on it."

 

[fatness]

Ukraine-Russia war latest: US and Canada scramble fighter jets to intercept Russian military planes off Alaska

The US and Canada scrambled fighter jets to identify and intercept four Russian military planes off Alaska, amid growing concern over Moscow’s incursions into Nato airspace. The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) said it had detected and tracked two Russian Tu-95s and two Su-35s operating in the Alaskan Air Defence Identification Zone. They did not enter US or Canadian sovereign airspace. NORAD said it responded by mobilising an E-3, four F-16s, and four KC-135 tanker aircraft.
The Alaskan Air Defence Identification Zone is an area of international airspace that requires the ready identification of all aircraft for national security purposes, NORAD said.

 

[fatness]

Mystery drones over Denmark are 'hybrid attack,' defense minister says

Drone overflights again caused disruptions at Danish airports on Wednesday night, officials said, in the latest instance of unexplained drone sightings over sensitive facilities in the Scandinavian nation. Danish officials held a press conference on Thursday morning detailing the latest incidents, which prompted the complete closure of Aalborg Airport -- which is also used by the Danish armed forces -- on the northern tip of Denmark's Zealand island. "Drones have been observed near Aalborg Airport and the airspace has been closed," the Danish National Police said in a statement on Wednesday night. "The police are present and investigating further."
Danish Justice Minister Peter Hummelgaard said at a Thursday press conference that drones were also reported over the southern cities of Esbjerg and Sonderborg, as well as over the Fighter Wing Skrydstrup air base, which is home to Danish F-16 fighter jets.

Danish police Chief Superintendent Jens Jespersen told reporters on Tuesday that authorities were investigating several theories as to the origin of the drones, including that they may have been launched from nearby ships. Danish authorities identified three tankers with links to Russia -- the Astrol 1, Pushpa and Oslo Carrier 3 -- as possible launch points, Reuters reported. Of the three, only the Pushpa was close to Aalborg on Wednesday night when the latest drone overflights were reported.

Asked if Russia -- drones from which have repeatedly violated NATO airspace in recent months -- should be considered responsible, Frederiksen said, "I cannot reject in any way that it could be Russia."

 

[fatness]

Map showing which airports in Denmark were affected by the drones.

 

[Chadstroma]

Russian fuel crisis escalates as half of gas stations in occupied Crimea halt gasoline sales, Kremlin extends export ban

Around 50% of gas stations in occupied Crimea and Sevastopol have stopped selling gasoline due to fuel supply disruptions, Russian pro-government media outlet Kommersant reported on Sept. 24. The publication, citing monitoring data from 17,000 Russian gas stations, said shortages were also recorded in other regions, but the situation was most acute on the peninsula.

Russian authorities plan to extend the ban on gasoline exports and have introduced a ban on diesel exports for non-producers, Deputy Prime Minister Aleksandr Novak said on Sept. 25. "We will extend the ban on gasoline exports until the end of the year," he told Russian media.
The disruption follows a wave of Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries in August, which have strained supplies and forced Moscow to cut exports. Ukrainian strikes have targeted at least 16 of Russia's 38 oil refineries since August 2025, according to the Financial Times, pushing Russian diesel exports down to their lowest level since 2020.

This is huge and a great example about how US media sucks as I do not see this reporting. The cascading impact of Russia's fuel crisis is hard to over state. Ukraine is continuing to hammer refineries across Russia and Russia has no good way of getting out of this. It will only continue.

As it grows, it will increase instability within the populace as it will directly impact their lives greatly with some unable to get fuel at all and when you can get it the prices are up significantly. This will increase inflationary pressure. Farmers will be hard pressed to harvest and plant if they can not run their tractors and other equipment. And what they can do will increase the prices of what there are. Again, Russia has no fixes to this except try to limit the damage and maybe redeploy air defense assets to protect their refineries but they are already so very thin as is in what they have and what they can do.

I can go on further and further on this but this is speeding up the eventual economic meltdown that Russia is headed to. This is calculated by the Ukrainian military and intelligence. It is a smart strategy that they have been able to execute with their advances in drone warfare.

 

[Orange&Blue]

Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine changes, while his actions so far remain the same

Trump’s aim in releasing the statement was to exert “maximum public pressure on Russia to get them to the table for a deal” to end the war, according to a senior Trump administration official. Next steps will depend on how Russia responds, said the official, who did not lay out any specific policy changes happening now.
There are different ways to construe Trump’s statement. One is that he’s grown tired of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s persistence in shelling Ukraine and is prepared to step up coercive measures aimed at getting Russia to pull back

Another interpretation is that Trump is done with what’s proved a futile effort to midwife a peace deal. Instead, Trump is leaving it to the combatants and European nations to resolve the war as best they can.
“Good luck to all!” Trump wrote at the end of his post.
Nothing in Trump’s post committed the U.S. to more aggressive action on Ukraine’s behalf. He did not say he would impose secondary sanctions on China for its economic support of Russia. Nor did he pledge to slap new sanctions on Russia. Rather, he said the U.S. would continue something it is already doing: selling weapons to NATO that the alliance is in turn supplying to Ukraine.

It seems A-10's are being sent to Europe. Also, gave backing for NATO nations to shoot down drones or aircraft that violate their airspace.

Where are you seeing A-10s are going Ukraine?

 

[Chadstroma]

Gas shortage hitting Moscow. Could explain the increasing belligerent behavior towards NATO. Start a war with NATO and blame it on NATO to rally domestically as a last grasp of the regime staying in power.

 

[Chadstroma]

Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine changes, while his actions so far remain the same

Trump’s aim in releasing the statement was to exert “maximum public pressure on Russia to get them to the table for a deal” to end the war, according to a senior Trump administration official. Next steps will depend on how Russia responds, said the official, who did not lay out any specific policy changes happening now.
There are different ways to construe Trump’s statement. One is that he’s grown tired of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s persistence in shelling Ukraine and is prepared to step up coercive measures aimed at getting Russia to pull back

Another interpretation is that Trump is done with what’s proved a futile effort to midwife a peace deal. Instead, Trump is leaving it to the combatants and European nations to resolve the war as best they can.
“Good luck to all!” Trump wrote at the end of his post.
Nothing in Trump’s post committed the U.S. to more aggressive action on Ukraine’s behalf. He did not say he would impose secondary sanctions on China for its economic support of Russia. Nor did he pledge to slap new sanctions on Russia. Rather, he said the U.S. would continue something it is already doing: selling weapons to NATO that the alliance is in turn supplying to Ukraine.

It seems A-10's are being sent to Europe. Also, gave backing for NATO nations to shoot down drones or aircraft that violate their airspace.

Where are you seeing A-10s are going Ukraine?

Reported on something I watch... most likely Enforcer in YouTube. These sources are much better and timely reporting than the US media. It is where I learned about the gas shortages in Russia several weeks before reports in the media.

 

[fatness]

Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine changes, while his actions so far remain the same

Trump’s aim in releasing the statement was to exert “maximum public pressure on Russia to get them to the table for a deal” to end the war, according to a senior Trump administration official. Next steps will depend on how Russia responds, said the official, who did not lay out any specific policy changes happening now.
There are different ways to construe Trump’s statement. One is that he’s grown tired of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s persistence in shelling Ukraine and is prepared to step up coercive measures aimed at getting Russia to pull back

Another interpretation is that Trump is done with what’s proved a futile effort to midwife a peace deal. Instead, Trump is leaving it to the combatants and European nations to resolve the war as best they can.
“Good luck to all!” Trump wrote at the end of his post.
Nothing in Trump’s post committed the U.S. to more aggressive action on Ukraine’s behalf. He did not say he would impose secondary sanctions on China for its economic support of Russia. Nor did he pledge to slap new sanctions on Russia. Rather, he said the U.S. would continue something it is already doing: selling weapons to NATO that the alliance is in turn supplying to Ukraine.

It seems A-10's are being sent to Europe. Also, gave backing for NATO nations to shoot down drones or aircraft that violate their airspace.

Where are you seeing A-10s are going Ukraine?

Reported on something I watch... most likely Enforcer in YouTube. These sources are much better and timely reporting than the US media. It is where I learned about the gas shortages in Russia several weeks before reports in the media.

If you could post links when you offer information it would really be helpful to the rest of us. It's not reasonable to expect us to sit through videos that are 20 minutes to 3 hours long to read/hear the same information. You usually post your links and we all appreciate it when you do. If you could do it for your Enforcer and other video links that would be great. Thanks man.

 

[Chadstroma]

Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine changes, while his actions so far remain the same

Trump’s aim in releasing the statement was to exert “maximum public pressure on Russia to get them to the table for a deal” to end the war, according to a senior Trump administration official. Next steps will depend on how Russia responds, said the official, who did not lay out any specific policy changes happening now.
There are different ways to construe Trump’s statement. One is that he’s grown tired of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s persistence in shelling Ukraine and is prepared to step up coercive measures aimed at getting Russia to pull back

Another interpretation is that Trump is done with what’s proved a futile effort to midwife a peace deal. Instead, Trump is leaving it to the combatants and European nations to resolve the war as best they can.
“Good luck to all!” Trump wrote at the end of his post.
Nothing in Trump’s post committed the U.S. to more aggressive action on Ukraine’s behalf. He did not say he would impose secondary sanctions on China for its economic support of Russia. Nor did he pledge to slap new sanctions on Russia. Rather, he said the U.S. would continue something it is already doing: selling weapons to NATO that the alliance is in turn supplying to Ukraine.

It seems A-10's are being sent to Europe. Also, gave backing for NATO nations to shoot down drones or aircraft that violate their airspace.

Where are you seeing A-10s are going Ukraine?

Reported on something I watch... most likely Enforcer in YouTube. These sources are much better and timely reporting than the US media. It is where I learned about the gas shortages in Russia several weeks before reports in the media.

If you could post links when you offer information it would really be helpful to the rest of us. It's not reasonable to expect us to sit through videos that are 20 minutes to 3 hours long to read/hear the same information. You usually post your links and we all appreciate it when you do. If you could do it for your Enforcer and other video links that would be great. Thanks man.

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Tonight's "episode" I am not going to post this everytime... so either I can not bring up the info or will refer to it when something comes up. If it is a thing for you. Your choice. But if you want to watch then that is their link.

 

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NATO Is At War with Russia Says Kremlin, As Drone Incursions Continue in Europe—Live Updates

Lavrov says NATO and EU are waging war on Russia via Ukraine. Newsweek's live blog is closed.

www.newsweek.com

 

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Tonight's "episode" I am not going to post this everytime... so either I can not bring up the info or will refer to it when something comes up. If it is a thing for you. Your choice. But if you want to watch then that is their link.

Thanks for the link.
And yeah, providing a link to news is "a thing" at FBG.

 

[Chadstroma]

Tonight's "episode" I am not going to post this everytime... so either I can not bring up the info or will refer to it when something comes up. If it is a thing for you. Your choice. But if you want to watch then that is their link.

Thanks for the link.
And yeah, providing a link to news is "a thing" at FBG.

I didn't post it, I responded to your post with more info, from something I saw a day or two before, which is usually "a thing" too. Your response to that seems a little over the top and irritated for some reason. I don't think your demand is reasonable considering any response or discussion would not be allowed otherwise. I am not going to fight about it, if it bothers you that much to bring up something that isn't from a link news story then I won't do it. There is a ton of good quality, timely info outside of the media that you can link things with.

 

[Dezbelief]

Ukraine confirms drone strike on one of southern Russia's largest oil refineries, vows to continue attacks

Krasnodar Krai's regional operational headquarters reported that Ukrainian drones debris fell on one of the refinery’s units amid a wider drone attack on the region. The Russian officials claimed that a fire spanning 30 square meters (323 square feet) was extinguished by crews.

kyivindependent.com

Ukrainian drones struck the Afipsky Oil Refinery in Russia's Krasnodar Krai overnight on Sept. 26, Ukraine's General Staff has confirmed.

The Afipsky refinery, located about 200 kilometers (124 miles) from the front line, serves as a key logistics hub for diesel fuel and aviation kerosene supplies to Russian forces.

It accounts for 2.1% of Russia's oil refining output, processing about 6.25 million tons of oil each year.

Ukrainian drones previously hit the refinery on Aug. 7 and 28, forcing the shutdown of one facility. The nearby Krasnodar refinery, affiliated with Afipsky, has also come under attack.

According to the Financial Times, 16 of Russia's 38 oil refineries have been struck by Ukrainian drones since August 2025. The disruptions have limited Russia's refining capacity by over 1 million barrels per day, the research group Energy Aspects told FT, dropping exports to below pre-war levels.

 

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Ukraine shoots down Russian Su-34 bomber over Zaporizhzhia Oblast, Air Force says

The Su-34 jet was shot down at around 4 a.m. local time in the Zaporizhzhia sector of the front line, the Air Force said. The warplane had reportedly been attacking the city of Zaporizhzhia with guided aerial bombs at the time of the strike.

kyivindependent.com

Ukrainian forces shot down a Russian Su-34 fighter jet in Zaporizhzhia Oblast in the early hours of Sept. 25, Ukraine's Air Force reported.

The Su-34 jet was shot down at around 4 a.m. local time in the Zaporizhzhia sector of the front line, the Air Force said. The warplane had reportedly been attacking the city of Zaporizhzhia with guided aerial bombs at the time of the strike

'How well they burn' — Ukraine destroys 2 Russian An-26 transport aircraft, radar stations in occupied Crimea, HUR says

The strike was part of ongoing efforts to destroy high-value Russian assets on the peninsula, Ukraine's military intelligence (HUR) said.

kyivindependent.com

Ukraine's military intelligence (HUR) destroyed two Russian An-26 transport aircraft and two radar stations in a drone attack on occupied Crimea, the agency reported on Sept. 25.

The strike is part of ongoing efforts to destroy high-value Russian assets on the peninsula, HUR said.

According to the agency, its special forces set fire to the aircraft and destroyed a Russian surface surveillance radar system along with the MR-10M1 Mys M1 coastal radar station.

The An-26, a Soviet-era twin-engine turboprop aircraft, has been widely used for short- and medium-haul transport, capable of carrying up to 40 troops or 5.5 tons of cargo.

The radar station is a coastal defense system that provides early warning and tracks surface sea targets.

HUR reported on Sept. 21 destroying three Russian Mi-8 helicopters and a radar station in Crimea.

Just one day later, Ukrainian forces struck two Be-12 Chayka amphibious aircraft.

 

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Tonight's "episode" I am not going to post this everytime... so either I can not bring up the info or will refer to it when something comes up. If it is a thing for you. Your choice. But if you want to watch then that is their link.

Thanks for the link.
And yeah, providing a link to news is "a thing" at FBG.

I didn't post it, I responded to your post with more info, from something I saw a day or two before, which is usually "a thing" too. Your response to that seems a little over the top and irritated for some reason. I don't think your demand is reasonable considering any response or discussion would not be allowed otherwise. I am not going to fight about it, if it bothers you that much to bring up something that isn't from a link news story then I won't do it. There is a ton of good quality, timely info outside of the media that you can link things with.

He's merely reiterating what Joe has asked for countless times in this thread and others.

 

[Chadstroma]

Tonight's "episode" I am not going to post this everytime... so either I can not bring up the info or will refer to it when something comes up. If it is a thing for you. Your choice. But if you want to watch then that is their link.

Thanks for the link.
And yeah, providing a link to news is "a thing" at FBG.

I didn't post it, I responded to your post with more info, from something I saw a day or two before, which is usually "a thing" too. Your response to that seems a little over the top and irritated for some reason. I don't think your demand is reasonable considering any response or discussion would not be allowed otherwise. I am not going to fight about it, if it bothers you that much to bring up something that isn't from a link news story then I won't do it. There is a ton of good quality, timely info outside of the media that you can link things with.

He's merely reiterating what Joe has asked for countless times in this thread and others.

Got it. If I have any info that is not linkable because it is something I saw a day or two earlier. I will keep it to myself.

 

[Chadstroma]

Ukraine develops APC with maximum protection for personnel https://share.google/INbTjPtJ9Cuj9fsvI

 

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Gerbera Found With Anti-Interceptor Cameras Shows Russia's New Tactics - Business Insider https://share.google/XFEspWjHXB0QTtYqP

 

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Kyiv DDoS Attack Knocks Out Russia’s Fast Payment System, $30M Lost https://share.google/dU0VNClRLtqTApwJC

 

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Russia-NATO conflict: Drones and jets in Europe’s airspace could mean war | Vox https://share.google/7xDjpXlyv9i6IH0Rx

 

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Russian Defense Salaries Fall in First Since Ukraine Invasion - The Moscow Times https://share.google/IWt7v4F9sucFIVFhN

 

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Russian Navy Ship Caught Lurking Off Denmark's Coast as Drones Attack - Newsweek https://share.google/dtA2ydkcJc880t9Cm

 

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Romania could partner Ukraine to make drones under EU-funded defence scheme | Reuters https://share.google/wgJincjrwFIud1AX3

 

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Commission proposes €140B loan to Ukraine using Russian frozen assets – POLITICO https://share.google/yOyxpCjV1Dh7zZttf

 

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Breaking: Ukraine’s Commander in Chief Reveals Counteroffensive That Trapped Russian Forces Near Pokrovsk — UNITED24 Media https://share.google/BHbLymtXwkKxc6z0G

 

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Russia steps up its drive to seize Ukraine's fortress belt | ISW https://share.google/32eDOKwlnJLBYZp0D

 

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Gerbera Found With Anti-Interceptor Cameras Shows Russia's New Tactics - Business Insider https://share.google/XFEspWjHXB0QTtYqP

Interesting stuff in that article, about all the on-the-fly technological advancements both sides make.

However, recon drones such as the Zala and Supercam are far more expensive than the Gerbera, one of which costs Russia $10,000 to make, according to Ukrainian officials' estimates in 2024. The cheap drone is often deployed as a decoy for the Shahed, and Russia launches it in hundreds-strong waves to overwhelm Ukrainian air defenses. In response, Ukraine has bolstered its anti-air forces by developing low-cost FPV drones to chase down and crash into Shaheds and Gerberas.

 

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Kyiv DDoS Attack Knocks Out Russia’s Fast Payment System, $30M Lost https://share.google/dU0VNClRLtqTApwJC

From that link:

A day prior, HUR said its cyber specialists have also breached the servers of Moscow-installed authorities in occupied Crimea for the second time in recent months, obtaining over 100 terabytes of sensitive data. A HUR source told Kyiv Post that the hacked files include official correspondence by the Russia-installed head of Crimea, Sergey Aksyonov, as well as internal communications between ministries and agencies of the occupation government.
Among the documents are lists and the personal data of Ukrainian children illegally removed from the occupied areas of the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions to Crimea and Russia. The information, which includes details about guardians and the children’s residence and schooling, has been passed to law enforcement for investigation of potential war crimes.

 

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This is not good at all.
Zelenskyy claims reconnaissance drones entered Ukrainian airspace from Hungary –as it happened

Zelenskyy clashes with Hungary over alleged reconnaissance drones incursions. Separately, Zelenskyy has clashed with Hungarian authorities, after claiming Ukrainian authorities “recorded violations of our airspace by reconnaissance drones, which are likely Hungarian.” He said that “preliminary assessments suggest they may have been conducting reconnaissance on the industrial potential of Ukraine’s border areas.”

AFP said that hours earlier, Ukraine announced it was barring three Hungarian military officials from its territory in a ***-for-tat response to Budapest banning three of its own officials. In response, Hungary accused Ukraine of pursuing “anti-Hungarian policies” following the move. “And these are the people who expect us to support their accession to the European Union... They can’t be serious,” foreign minister Péter Szijjártó wrote on Facebook on Friday.