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*** Official SF 49ers 2015 thread *** Chip Kelly new HC (1 Viewer)

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Youu could call it adding insult to injury: After the National Football League's49ers abandoned San Francisco for a new stadium in Santa Clara in 2014, the NFL threw its former franchise city the crumb of a week of branded events leading up to this year's Super Bowl, to be played at the new venue on Feb. 7.

San Francisco is now confronting the bill for hosting those events. They'll cost more than $4.8 million in public services, almost none of which will be reimbursed. The tally prompted the city's budget and legislative analyst to draft an anguished complaint to city leaders, noting that the costs of three major public events during the pre-game week had been largely a civic secret.

"This fact represents a nondisclosure to the Board of Supervisors of significant expenditures," reported Severin Campbell, the city analyst, "and represents a disservice to the Board of Supervisors."

The report prompted three supervisors to draft an emergency resolution requiring the city to recoup the money from the NFL or the Super Bowl 50 host committee, but it may be too late. That's because there is no written agreement between the city and the league or host committee requiring reimbursement.


Indeed, in bidding to host the pre-game parties, the city committed to not ask for repayment of its fire, police or emergency services. In doing so, Campbell observed, San Francisco proved to be dumber than Santa Clara, which extracted an agreement from the host committee requiring reimbursement for all city expenses connected with the game, including police, fire and emergency services, a bill that's expected to reach $3.6 million.

The issue with the costs to San Francisco isn't merely the size of the bill. The $4.8 million in costs is a minuscule proportion of the city's $8.9-billion budget. But the city is already facing a budget deficit of $100 million for the fiscal year beginning July 1, and a projected shortfall of $240 million for the year after that. Mayor Ed Lee has ordered city departments to cut costs by 3% over the next two years.

Then there's the thought of being taken for a ride by the NFL, which collects $10 billion in revenue a year, making it a larger economic entity than the city itself. "Santa Clara got the Super Bowl, and San Francisco's getting the traffic and gridlock," Supervisor Jane Kim told the San Francisco Chronicle.

Of course, this is typical of the NFL's relationship with communities that it pretends to be playing for partners but really plays for suckers. The league banks on municipalities bending over backward to grab a bit of reflected glory from its events, especially the big annual championship game. (Are you listening, Inglewood?)

Local supporters of the deal have essentially told the critics to quit bellyaching. They argue that the pre-game events are expected to bring a million visitors into the city, as though it's all gravy.

"Super Bowl 50 is coming, and with it all the usual naysaying from the usual sources about city money being used to host a 'corporate event,'" former Mayor Willie Brown wrote in the Chronicle. "You bet it's a corporate event. It's being put on by the NFL which, when it comes to capturing the American psyche, is probably the most powerful corporation around. ... Everyone is going to make a killing, including the private citizens who are smart enough to schedule a vacation paid for by Airbnb'ing their homes."
Full article: http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-san-francisco-nfl-4-9-million-20160120-column.html

Last time I was in SF two months ago, I was walking through Civic Center around 3am, post bar hopping and a late night meal. Walked past Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, saw what looked like people camping out there for a show, and decided to check it out. It wasn't people camping out for a show. The whole civic center, including the library area, was full of homeless, and there were needles from the hypes everywhere. SF is in a huge existential crisis, but the money is flowing there like crazy, and city just keeps selling itself out like a prostitute. This doesn't surprise me at all. Once the new LA stadium is built, SF will be just like Jacksonville in the SB rotation.

 
Here is how schizo the Kelley hiring is: they wanted to make Kaepernick a pocket passer, and now he either may stay or go, and that leaves Gabbert, who is now in his umpteenth offensive system, and more than likely will be having to use more of Kelley's read option or whatever offense he is running, and remember how they had trouble still with Harbaugh even getting in plays from the sideline? NOW THEY HIRE KELLEY. HOW SCHIZO IS THAT?

 
I don't trust Gabbart at all. They need to commit to Kaepernick and fix his issues. Coach him up. With the right system - and this could be it - he can be a great QB.

 
The offense in the McBoozin' era was built more on power and based more in the Zampese/Coryell offense for years. They don't have much if any speed there except Torrey Smith. Proven speed at WR anyway. We all know Baalke doesn't know what a WR looks like. I don't know how this makes any sense with Kelley as HC.

 
I don't trust Gabbart at all. They need to commit to Kaepernick and fix his issues. Coach him up. With the right system - and this could be it - he can be a great QB.
They might set a record in sacks this season with either QB, especially with Gabbert. They don't have the offensive line, and last season they were one of the worst in the league according to most metrics. Kelley is an odd hire. It's almost a complete disconnect to the FO philosophy, going on McBoozin' to Baalke/Marathe. Of course Jed has to be the guy behind this. He doesn't know anything about football. He thinks he knows Social Media, and he sucks at that too.

 
Coach speak and all, but this is good to hear for us Hyde owners. Sorry for formatting mess. I suck at this.

Comment from Chip:

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/san-francisco-49ers-chip-kelly-carlos-hyde-huge-fan-feature-back-012116

New San Francisco 49ers head coach Chip Kelly has had the opportunity to handpick three running backs in his last two seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles. In 2014, he was behind the team's decision to trade for Darren Sproles, and in 2015, he signed both DeMarco Murray and Ryan Mathews in free agency.

He might not have that same opportunity in San Francisco, but it probably won't matter anyway -- the 49ers already have a running back that Kelly believes in.

Twitter: Chip Kelly on @KNBR: "I am a huge Carlos Hyde fan." #49ers

Some might see Kelly's comments as simple coach-speak -- what else do you expect him to say?
However, Hyde was the only player Kelly said this about in his interview.
Hyde also fits the bill as a perfect fit for Kelly's offensive system based on his running style. Hyde has the ability plant and explode north-south with little wasted movement from side to side.

Hyde finished with Pro Football Focus' second-best "elusive rating" in 2015 -- an advanced stat used to determine a runner's efficiency independent of his blocking. He forced 32 missed tackles on just 115 carries with a 2.83 yards after contact per attempt average. In 2014, Hyde forced 25 missed tackles on just 83 carries, per PFF.

Hyde recently underwent surgery on his foot, but he is expected to be readyfor the 49ers' offseason program. Hyde has flashed in his first two NFL seasons, but a full season in Kelly's system could be just what he needs for a true breakout performance.

Interview with Baalke:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/1/21/10806496/trent-baalke-on-chip-kelly-colin-kaepernick-carlos-hyde-53-man-roster

But, when you talk about the running game that he likes to run as well, RB Carlos Hyde's health status and durability, is that an issue going forward right now?

"I don't think so. In fact, Carlos was around the building yesterday, feels good. Rehab is going extremely well. Nobody can predict the future as far as injury goes. But, he's been durable and he got injured last year. [Former San Francisco 49ers RB and current Indianapolis Colts RB] Frank Gore was injured multiple times in his college career and several times as an NFL player, but durability overall has been excellent, and we feel that Carlos can have that type of health moving forward as well."

How do you feel Carlos' style, running style, kind of meshes with what Chip likes to do in the running game?

"I think excellent. If you look at the system he came out of in Ohio State, ran a lot of the same plays that coach runs and has run both at Philadelphia and Oregon."

Did Carlos have surgery?

"Yeah, he had a procedure done."

Do you know when?

"Right towards the end of the season. I don't know the exact date, but right towards the end of the season."

Is he expected to be fine for the start of the offseason program?

"He should be all good to go. Now once again, we are going to defer to the medical staff on that, but his health looks good right now. He's progressing well. He's rehabbing hard and it's something that if everything goes well, should clear up in time for the offseason program."

 
thecatch said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Vrabel apparently a pretty smart guy

Why would anyone want to come work with this front office and owner?
Or a coach who is going to put an unusual amount of pressure on him? This would be an absolutely terrible gig to take as a first time DC. They will have to find someone who has been around awhile and is desperate for another shot at a coordinating gig.
The defense is gonna have enough pressure with all the offense's three and outs.

 
Who is mcboozin??
Scot McGloughan, former VP of personnel to then former GM of the 49ers, who resigned weeks before the 2010 draft because of boozin' issues. He is now GM of the Redskins after a consulting gig with the Seahawks. He is credited for his scouting report there that sold them on Russell Wilson, and is a darn good talent evaluator. Most of the pro-bowl roster the 49ers had were all his doing. Now, they are all gone.

 
Looking forward to the new look 9ers, seems like forever since SF had a watchable much less fun offense. Good luck with Kelly.
man I thought when Kaep was rolling that was a fun team to watch. Good defense, Run the ball, Kaep making big plays
You guys have more hope than I. But I stopped being a fan of this team after they getting rid of Harbaugh. That front office won't produce anything watchable other than a train wreck. Now, I just have fun kicking dirt on Jed's face.

 
Looking at getting tix for the 49ers vs. Rams at the old LA Mausoleum. Last time I saw a game there: 1985, Pats vs. LA Raiders, division playoff game. Marcus Allen fumbles the ball near the goal line. Raiders lose, mayhem in the stands lol. Fights breaking out all game long. Saw cops tumble down the seats with the fans who were fighting each other. Joints being passed around. Good times.

 
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Looking at getting tix for the 49ers vs. Rams at the old LA Mausoleum. Last time I saw a game there: 1985, Pats vs. LA Raiders, division playoff game. Marcus Allen fumbles the ball near the goal line. Raiders lose, mayhem in the stands lol. Fights breaking out all game long. Saw cops tumble down the seats with the fans who were fighting each other. Joints being passed around. Good times.
Last time I saw a game there was around 1982. Don't remember who they played, we used to go to a couple of games a year there.
 
Looking at getting tix for the 49ers vs. Rams at the old LA Mausoleum. Last time I saw a game there: 1985, Pats vs. LA Raiders, division playoff game. Marcus Allen fumbles the ball near the goal line. Raiders lose, mayhem in the stands lol. Fights breaking out all game long. Saw cops tumble down the seats with the fans who were fighting each other. Joints being passed around. Good times.
Last time I saw a game there was around 1982. Don't remember who they played, we used to go to a couple of games a year there.
Other than the non parking (we had to park in someones front lawn for 5 bucks), and it being in the 'hood, it wasn't that bad except for Raider fan. But Raider fan is Raider fan, so wherever they go, shenanigans follow. Although Ninaz fan is right there with them now.

 
In Other News:

Youu could call it adding insult to injury: After the National Football League's49ers abandoned San Francisco for a new stadium in Santa Clara in 2014, the NFL threw its former franchise city the crumb of a week of branded events leading up to this year's Super Bowl, to be played at the new venue on Feb. 7.



San Francisco is now confronting the bill for hosting those events. They'll cost more than $4.8 million in public services, almost none of which will be reimbursed. The tally prompted the city's budget and legislative analyst to draft an anguished complaint to city leaders, noting that the costs of three major public events during the pre-game week had been largely a civic secret.

"This fact represents a nondisclosure to the Board of Supervisors of significant expenditures," reported Severin Campbell, the city analyst, "and represents a disservice to the Board of Supervisors."

The report prompted three supervisors to draft an emergency resolution requiring the city to recoup the money from the NFL or the Super Bowl 50 host committee, but it may be too late. That's because there is no written agreement between the city and the league or host committee requiring reimbursement.



Indeed, in bidding to host the pre-game parties, the city committed to not ask for repayment of its fire, police or emergency services. In doing so, Campbell observed, San Francisco proved to be dumber than Santa Clara, which extracted an agreement from the host committee requiring reimbursement for all city expenses connected with the game, including police, fire and emergency services, a bill that's expected to reach $3.6 million.

The issue with the costs to San Francisco isn't merely the size of the bill. The $4.8 million in costs is a minuscule proportion of the city's $8.9-billion budget. But the city is already facing a budget deficit of $100 million for the fiscal year beginning July 1, and a projected shortfall of $240 million for the year after that. Mayor Ed Lee has ordered city departments to cut costs by 3% over the next two years.

Then there's the thought of being taken for a ride by the NFL, which collects $10 billion in revenue a year, making it a larger economic entity than the city itself. "Santa Clara got the Super Bowl, and San Francisco's getting the traffic and gridlock," Supervisor Jane Kim told the San Francisco Chronicle.

Of course, this is typical of the NFL's relationship with communities that it pretends to be playing for partners but really plays for suckers. The league banks on municipalities bending over backward to grab a bit of reflected glory from its events, especially the big annual championship game. (Are you listening, Inglewood?)

Local supporters of the deal have essentially told the critics to quit bellyaching. They argue that the pre-game events are expected to bring a million visitors into the city, as though it's all gravy.

"Super Bowl 50 is coming, and with it all the usual naysaying from the usual sources about city money being used to host a 'corporate event,'" former Mayor Willie Brown wrote in the Chronicle. "You bet it's a corporate event. It's being put on by the NFL which, when it comes to capturing the American psyche, is probably the most powerful corporation around. ... Everyone is going to make a killing, including the private citizens who are smart enough to schedule a vacation paid for by Airbnb'ing their homes."
Full article: http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-san-francisco-nfl-4-9-million-20160120-column.html

Last time I was in SF two months ago, I was walking through Civic Center around 3am, post bar hopping and a late night meal. Walked past Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, saw what looked like people camping out there for a show, and decided to check it out. It wasn't people camping out for a show. The whole civic center, including the library area, was full of homeless, and there were needles from the hypes everywhere. SF is in a huge existential crisis, but the money is flowing there like crazy, and city just keeps selling itself out like a prostitute. This doesn't surprise me at all. Once the new LA stadium is built, SF will be just like Jacksonville in the SB rotation.
Glad to have you back drummer. However, SF is one of the greatest cities and fastest ( though not all good growth IMO) growing in the world. Comparing SF to Jax...dude...plumb stupid.

 
In Other News:

Youu could call it adding insult to injury: After the National Football League's49ers abandoned San Francisco for a new stadium in Santa Clara in 2014, the NFL threw its former franchise city the crumb of a week of branded events leading up to this year's Super Bowl, to be played at the new venue on Feb. 7.



San Francisco is now confronting the bill for hosting those events. They'll cost more than $4.8 million in public services, almost none of which will be reimbursed. The tally prompted the city's budget and legislative analyst to draft an anguished complaint to city leaders, noting that the costs of three major public events during the pre-game week had been largely a civic secret.

"This fact represents a nondisclosure to the Board of Supervisors of significant expenditures," reported Severin Campbell, the city analyst, "and represents a disservice to the Board of Supervisors."

The report prompted three supervisors to draft an emergency resolution requiring the city to recoup the money from the NFL or the Super Bowl 50 host committee, but it may be too late. That's because there is no written agreement between the city and the league or host committee requiring reimbursement.

Indeed, in bidding to host the pre-game parties, the city committed to not ask for repayment of its fire, police or emergency services. In doing so, Campbell observed, San Francisco proved to be dumber than Santa Clara, which extracted an agreement from the host committee requiring reimbursement for all city expenses connected with the game, including police, fire and emergency services, a bill that's expected to reach $3.6 million.

The issue with the costs to San Francisco isn't merely the size of the bill. The $4.8 million in costs is a minuscule proportion of the city's $8.9-billion budget. But the city is already facing a budget deficit of $100 million for the fiscal year beginning July 1, and a projected shortfall of $240 million for the year after that. Mayor Ed Lee has ordered city departments to cut costs by 3% over the next two years.

Then there's the thought of being taken for a ride by the NFL, which collects $10 billion in revenue a year, making it a larger economic entity than the city itself. "Santa Clara got the Super Bowl, and San Francisco's getting the traffic and gridlock," Supervisor Jane Kim told the San Francisco Chronicle.

Of course, this is typical of the NFL's relationship with communities that it pretends to be playing for partners but really plays for suckers. The league banks on municipalities bending over backward to grab a bit of reflected glory from its events, especially the big annual championship game. (Are you listening, Inglewood?)

Local supporters of the deal have essentially told the critics to quit bellyaching. They argue that the pre-game events are expected to bring a million visitors into the city, as though it's all gravy.

"Super Bowl 50 is coming, and with it all the usual naysaying from the usual sources about city money being used to host a 'corporate event,'" former Mayor Willie Brown wrote in the Chronicle. "You bet it's a corporate event. It's being put on by the NFL which, when it comes to capturing the American psyche, is probably the most powerful corporation around. ... Everyone is going to make a killing, including the private citizens who are smart enough to schedule a vacation paid for by Airbnb'ing their homes."
Full article: http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-san-francisco-nfl-4-9-million-20160120-column.html

Last time I was in SF two months ago, I was walking through Civic Center around 3am, post bar hopping and a late night meal. Walked past Bill Graham Civic Auditorium, saw what looked like people camping out there for a show, and decided to check it out. It wasn't people camping out for a show. The whole civic center, including the library area, was full of homeless, and there were needles from the hypes everywhere. SF is in a huge existential crisis, but the money is flowing there like crazy, and city just keeps selling itself out like a prostitute. This doesn't surprise me at all. Once the new LA stadium is built, SF will be just like Jacksonville in the SB rotation.
Glad to have you back drummer. However, SF is one of the greatest cities and fastest ( though not all good growth IMO) growing in the world. Comparing SF to Jax...dude...plumb stupid.
I lived in SF most of my adult life (may be back there for most of this year as well). I know that city like the back of my hand. What I mean here is that with LA in play, the West Coast host for the SB will likely be LA over Santa Clara. If you have ever been to Santa Clara, it's on par with Jacksonville lol.

 
Lol, a friend of mine who is working the SB events up there is already having to deal with the crappy traffic. The Yorks said Levi's would have easier access than Candlestick. They just clogged up the peninsula lol.

 
Uh, I'll take a 3rd.....

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10:29am: The offers for Kaepernick have not yet been good enough for the 49ers to make a deal, a source tells Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com (on Twitter). In addition to the Broncos, the Jets and Browns are involved. The Broncos are still the frontrunners, Matt Barrows of The Sacramento Bee tweets.

10:24am: The Broncos are out in front trying to trade for Kaepernick, but two other teams are involved on the QB, Ian Rapoport of NFL.com tweets.

9:54am: Colin Kaepernick is the Broncos’ chief target at this time, according to Michael Silver of NFL.com (on Twitter), who believes that the Broncos will go after him via trade. The 49ers likely want a second-round pick while the Broncos may be willing to part with a third-round choice (link). Silver hears (link) that Kaepernick is likely willing to restructure his contract to the Broncos’ liking, though his deal is already somewhat team-friendly.
 
Id love to see him go to Denver. He's basically getting put on the 2011-13 Niners again. Perfect fit and I hope he finds his groove again because he's an exciting player to watch. 

 
I'm seeing possibilities of Tunsil slipping all the way to us... Any chance? Any chance we blow it if he does? 

Tunsil this year, number one overall pick next year, possibly Watson? Not a bad reset right there.

 
I'm seeing possibilities of Tunsil slipping all the way to us... Any chance? Any chance we blow it if he does? 

Tunsil this year, number one overall pick next year, possibly Watson? Not a bad reset right there.
Kelly took a 4-12 Eagles team to the playoffs in his first year as head coach.  The idea that you'll get the #1 overall next year? 

 
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Kelly took a 4-12 Eagles team to the playoffs in his first year as head coach.  The idea that you'll get the #1 overall next year? 
We can start by going back to earlier in the thread, last year in March I set their O/U at 5, I'd say I nailed that. 

In terms of this season, I can't see them winning more than 2 games in conference, even that is a stretch, they could go 0-4 to Sea/Az and hopefully split against LA. I'll say 1-5 in conference, the rest of their games:

Panthers - L

Cowboys (should have a healthy Romo) - L

Bills, Bucs, Saints (1-2, 2-1 would be lucky, but not impossible)

Pats - L

Dolphins/Bears (1-1, maybe)

Jets - L

Falcons - ? 

I don't think the number 1 pick is out of the question here. Furthermore, Chip Kelly and Baalke will hate each other by week 8, the front office is poison and an egomania like Kelly will not mesh (see Harbaugh).

What is to like here? Where is the hope?

Gabbert is currently at the top of the depth chart

Carlos Hyde is the only capable player on the offense, Ellington has shown some flash, but he isn't a number 1 as of now. Vance couldn't catch a ball laced in crazy glue. Receivers? One of the worst groups in the NFL. O-line, meh at best. Since we'll prob punt 37 times a game, good thing we drafted a punter last year and ditched what could've been our best asset this season.

Defense is a far different unit than 3 years ago. I obviously like Bowman/Reid/Brooks/Brock, this defense is not even close to good enough to carry this team.

I'd be much happier with a 2-14 season than some miraculous 7-9 showing.

 
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Really gotta credit Trent - his slick maneuvering and trading mid round picks over the last few seasons is going to pay off big this year!!!!

We've got 7 picks in the 5th and 6th round :excited:  

My real hope is we trade some of those and next year we can just have every pick in the 7th round!!!

 
After suffering through the Crazy Al years of the Raiders and having complete incompetence in owner, GM and a revolving door of coaches, I really feel for 9er fans.  I do root for you.  These are hard times.

 
Reading a report that Denver and SF are discussing trading SF's 2nd + Kaep for Denver's 1st.  

I'm a Kaep supporter so I don't like it.  I guess they'd take Lynch at 7 in that scenario.

 
Reading a report that Denver and SF are discussing trading SF's 2nd + Kaep for Denver's 1st.  

I'm a Kaep supporter so I don't like it.  I guess they'd take Lynch at 7 in that scenario.
So we'd move Kaep to jump from 37 to 31... I'm in the camp of take anything for the guy, so I wouldn't mind this - Doesn't sound like they're giving up much, I'd rather get their 2nd or 3rd straight up, but whatever, I'll take it.

 
So we'd move Kaep to jump from 37 to 31... I'm in the camp of take anything for the guy, so I wouldn't mind this - Doesn't sound like they're giving up much, I'd rather get their 2nd or 3rd straight up, but whatever, I'll take it.
Guess we'll find out in a couple hours. They'd still have to address his contract though. Wasn't tha tone of the bigger hindrances for the trade from Denver's perspective?

 
Kelly took a 4-12 Eagles team to the playoffs in his first year as head coach.  The idea that you'll get the #1 overall next year? 
The Chip Kelly hate is ridiculous. Everyone says PHI is purging all of Chip's players.... I think some people are forgetting what that team looked like when he took over. The dumped a few bad contracts.

 
The Chip Kelly hate is ridiculous. Everyone says PHI is purging all of Chip's players.... I think some people are forgetting what that team looked like when he took over. The dumped a few bad contracts.
Yup!  I would say it's unlikely he'll repeat his horrible-team-to-playoffs-in-first-year thing again, but people are comparing him to Harbaugh when the two actually have VASTLY different personalities.  They might both have some ego problems - but they run things very differently.

 
Not a 49er fan, but I really think people are overstating JH's effect. I think this team is good and unless you hire someone completely inept, I could see the 49ers challenging for the division next year. Does JH not take any of the responsibility for the 8-8 record this year?

I think this would be the best job for any coach to walk into. You just had a team completely underperform and go 8-8. The new coach will look golden if the team plays up to its standard.
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