hmm interesting take on that...Fantastic episode again. I was completely expecting a letdown after the great episode last week, but very glad it didn't dissapoint. Gives me the feeling they had this planned as the possible last season with how great these episodes are. I also have to say that it is good to know that the show usualy likes to wrap the main plot lines with the season finale, really glad that the show bounced back from traveling Ireland looking for Jax's kidHoly freaking crap.I got this feeling that Potter is somehow closely tied with Stahl and he is targetting SAMCRO to get revenge.I won't say anything else about the episode...except holy freaking crap.

So many people want him dead, but who will be the one?When she said that last week I thought it would be somebody in the club (a Son), not necessarily Jax. Still not sure Opie will pull the trigger but other than Otto I can't think of anyone else that has anything more on Clay than Opie. Probably thinking too much into it. Anyway it goes this is shaping up into a great season. . .again.Not real thrilled with the Call Of Duty scene, just seemed a little over-the-top to me but blondy (forget his name) going boom was cool. I really liked the character but I love it when a show isn't afraid of taking out a character that people are familiar with. Have a feeling there will be a lot of that at the end of this season.Full disclosure, I was one of the guys screaming to end the Juice story line. Boy was I wrong, really like what they've done with it. For the record, if I could understand the *******, I'd love for the Irishman to have a show all to himself. Suffered through last season with the closed captioning so I'm ok with it but I really like his character."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
They were not body parts as I thought at first also. Pretty sure they were sand bags they were using as "foxholes"The landmines and rpgs were a little over-the-top, as it were. That the Mexican cartel guys are all zetas with elite military training would make their use of these weapons believable, but to see jax running around with one, then seeing body parts flying after he makes a couple of shots... c'mon.
That's what he gets for humping Tig's dog.P.S. What did Tig's patch say that he turned in to Clay before he rolled?Not real thrilled with the Call Of Duty scene, just seemed a little over-the-top to me but blondy (forget his name) going boom was cool. I really liked the character but I love it when a show isn't afraid of taking out a character that people are familiar with.
I think it was the Sgt. at Arms patch.That's what he gets for humping Tig's dog.P.S. What did Tig's patch say that he turned in to Clay before he rolled?Not real thrilled with the Call Of Duty scene, just seemed a little over-the-top to me but blondy (forget his name) going boom was cool. I really liked the character but I love it when a show isn't afraid of taking out a character that people are familiar with.
My link'Jaysus said:That's what he gets for humping Tig's dog.P.S. What did Tig's patch say that he turned in to Clay before he rolled?'beer 30 said:Not real thrilled with the Call Of Duty scene, just seemed a little over-the-top to me but blondy (forget his name) going boom was cool. I really liked the character but I love it when a show isn't afraid of taking out a character that people are familiar with.
Yup, that was it. It is the only one that would make sense to turn in and you got a glimpse at the S part of it.'pollardsvision said:I think it was the Sgt. at Arms patch.'Jaysus said:That's what he gets for humping Tig's dog.P.S. What did Tig's patch say that he turned in to Clay before he rolled?'beer 30 said:Not real thrilled with the Call Of Duty scene, just seemed a little over-the-top to me but blondy (forget his name) going boom was cool. I really liked the character but I love it when a show isn't afraid of taking out a character that people are familiar with.
I think the things flying around were sandbags, not body parts (unless you are talking about the guys that stepped on mines)The landmines and rpgs were a little over-the-top, as it were. That the Mexican cartel guys are all zetas with elite military training would make their use of these weapons believable, but to see jax running around with one, then seeing body parts flying after he makes a couple of shots... c'mon.
That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
well Bobby already told Otto that they took Tom Arnold out, so if he goes and tells him the truth now, he has to admit he was lying before. kind of a double-edged sword, and it's likely that Otto would never believe him again anyway.I loved that one of Otto's conditions for flipping is that they speed up his execution date. that's deep.Holy crap. Landmines and rpg's? Good to see the Juice is black storyline get dismissed but he's now in too deep. Tig's perversions with the dolls were a nice dose of humor to an otherwise fast paced episode. Wonder if Otto is still going to sign off on the papers once Bobby spills the news to him? And that ending...![]()
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a spinoff with Chibbs, Tig, and Opie would be my new favorite show.I'd love for the Irishman to have a show all to himself. Suffered through last season with the closed captioning so I'm ok with it but I really like his character.
Guy dies from a grenade, then from a land mine. What does FX have against him?RIP Curtis Lemansky. :( (Ok, I know his name in SOA is Kozick. I still love me some Shield, though.)
Throw in the dude with only two fingers.a spinoff with Chibbs, Tig, and Opie would be my new favorite show.I'd love for the Irishman to have a show all to himself. Suffered through last season with the closed captioning so I'm ok with it but I really like his character.
That was great, you know they had a good laugh when they came up with it. Other than Kenny Johnson, of course, who lost another role.Guy dies from a grenade, then from a land mine. What does FX have against him?RIP Curtis Lemansky. :( (Ok, I know his name in SOA is Kozick. I still love me some Shield, though.)
YES!!!!Throw in the dude with only two fingers.a spinoff with Chibbs, Tig, and Opie would be my new favorite show.I'd love for the Irishman to have a show all to himself. Suffered through last season with the closed captioning so I'm ok with it but I really like his character.
I bet Lem lands a role in FX's "Justified", only to be killed by Goggins again. I'm guessing it's a rocket launcher this time.That was great, you know they had a good laugh when they came up with it. Other than Kenny Johnson, of course, who lost another role.Guy dies from a grenade, then from a land mine. What does FX have against him?RIP Curtis Lemansky. :( (Ok, I know his name in SOA is Kozick. I still love me some Shield, though.)
And my final edition.... Happy. Guy scares meThrow in the dude with only two fingers.a spinoff with Chibbs, Tig, and Opie would be my new favorite show.I'd love for the Irishman to have a show all to himself. Suffered through last season with the closed captioning so I'm ok with it but I really like his character.
ETA: David Labrava is the real deal.
I bet Lem lands a role in FX's "Justified", only to be killed by Goggins again. I'm guessing it's a rocket launcher this time.That was great, you know they had a good laugh when they came up with it. Other than Kenny Johnson, of course, who lost another role.Guy dies from a grenade, then from a land mine. What does FX have against him?RIP Curtis Lemansky. :( (Ok, I know his name in SOA is Kozick. I still love me some Shield, though.)

yes, more pron star thong footage pleaseIS this the last season? Can we have more Gemma getting the crap beaten out of here? Also, can we get a pron star thong shot of that hottie girl again? Thanks, I will hang up and listen.
She didn't want retired sheriff guy to do anything remember? When she said "die by the hands of a son", I think she meant herself. Remember he kept telling her she was not a member of the club. She was just an old lady. This is how she proves she indeed is a member of the Sons.That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
Deep, man, deep."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
No, I am willing to put money on it that she won't kill him.... she will most likely be in the background moving pieces around but she wont do the killing. That will be Jax or Opie most likely.... outside shot of Tig.... long shot of cartel or other bad guys.She didn't want retired sheriff guy to do anything remember? When she said "die by the hands of a son", I think she meant herself. Remember he kept telling her she was not a member of the club. She was just an old lady. This is how she proves she indeed is a member of the Sons.That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
Not so sure about that. I still think the odds are better he gets it from one of the Sons. Let's look at motives:Jax: Clay is behind Tara's attempted abduction and broken hand. Also has made his life a living hell because of the cartel ####.Opie: Well, I'd say Clay murdering his father is motive enough.Tig: Has this almost creepy love for Gemma, and that was the final hammer blow that fully drove the developing wedge between him and Clay.Fat Elvis: Has been against drugs this whole time. But, sounds like he might have other problems with Otto. I know it might seem rash, but why do I get the feeling he could do a murder-suicide on Clay and himself when he's facing serious jail time?Juice: Some murder-suicide potential here, but he won't do it.Kozick: Oh wait, he's dead.Happy: Would kill for the sake of it.Chibbs: Really the only SOA member I don't see doing the job, and he's as bloodthirsty as they come.Gemma: Perhaps, but she had her chance and didn't take it.Unser: See Tig, only a little less on the creepy. Plus, he's got cancer and not much left to live for.So lots of possibilities, and most of them I'd say are fairly realistic. Of the ones listed, Jax, Opie, Tig, Fat Elvis, and Unser seem the likely ones.She didn't want retired sheriff guy to do anything remember? When she said "die by the hands of a son", I think she meant herself. Remember he kept telling her she was not a member of the club. She was just an old lady. This is how she proves she indeed is a member of the Sons.That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
Whoever it is I can't wait for it to happen. Love to hate Clay.Not so sure about that. I still think the odds are better he gets it from one of the Sons. Let's look at motives:Jax: Clay is behind Tara's attempted abduction and broken hand. Also has made his life a living hell because of the cartel ####.Opie: Well, I'd say Clay murdering his father is motive enough.Tig: Has this almost creepy love for Gemma, and that was the final hammer blow that fully drove the developing wedge between him and Clay.Fat Elvis: Has been against drugs this whole time. But, sounds like he might have other problems with Otto. I know it might seem rash, but why do I get the feeling he could do a murder-suicide on Clay and himself when he's facing serious jail time?Juice: Some murder-suicide potential here, but he won't do it.Kozick: Oh wait, he's dead.Happy: Would kill for the sake of it.Chibbs: Really the only SOA member I don't see doing the job, and he's as bloodthirsty as they come.Gemma: Perhaps, but she had her chance and didn't take it.Unser: See Tig, only a little less on the creepy. Plus, he's got cancer and not much left to live for.So lots of possibilities, and most of them I'd say are fairly realistic. Of the ones listed, Jax, Opie, Tig, Fat Elvis, and Unser seem the likely ones.She didn't want retired sheriff guy to do anything remember? When she said "die by the hands of a son", I think she meant herself. Remember he kept telling her she was not a member of the club. She was just an old lady. This is how she proves she indeed is a member of the Sons.That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
Yeah, they've really built up the excitement for this. I don't recall ever being so excited to see a character be brutally murdered as I am for Clay.On other longshot option for murdering Clay: LennyWe don't know much about him, but he's the only other living "First 9" guy (I think). Clay's pretty killed alot of them that we know of. Who knows what kind of reasons Lenny might have for killing Clay. Maybe that's what his extra privileges will be used for.Highly unlikely, of course, but an option.I don't really care who kills him, but I hope that all or most of the Club is involved. Whole Club watching as Jax or Ope beat him to death with their bare hands would be my vote.Whoever it is I can't wait for it to happen. Love to hate Clay.Not so sure about that. I still think the odds are better he gets it from one of the Sons. Let's look at motives:Jax: Clay is behind Tara's attempted abduction and broken hand. Also has made his life a living hell because of the cartel ####.Opie: Well, I'd say Clay murdering his father is motive enough.Tig: Has this almost creepy love for Gemma, and that was the final hammer blow that fully drove the developing wedge between him and Clay.Fat Elvis: Has been against drugs this whole time. But, sounds like he might have other problems with Otto. I know it might seem rash, but why do I get the feeling he could do a murder-suicide on Clay and himself when he's facing serious jail time?Juice: Some murder-suicide potential here, but he won't do it.Kozick: Oh wait, he's dead.Happy: Would kill for the sake of it.Chibbs: Really the only SOA member I don't see doing the job, and he's as bloodthirsty as they come.Gemma: Perhaps, but she had her chance and didn't take it.Unser: See Tig, only a little less on the creepy. Plus, he's got cancer and not much left to live for.So lots of possibilities, and most of them I'd say are fairly realistic. Of the ones listed, Jax, Opie, Tig, Fat Elvis, and Unser seem the likely ones.She didn't want retired sheriff guy to do anything remember? When she said "die by the hands of a son", I think she meant herself. Remember he kept telling her she was not a member of the club. She was just an old lady. This is how she proves she indeed is a member of the Sons.That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
You talking about Clay visiting Lenny in prison or something?Yeah, they've really built up the excitement for this. I don't recall ever being so excited to see a character be brutally murdered as I am for Clay.On other longshot option for murdering Clay: LennyWe don't know much about him, but he's the only other living "First 9" guy (I think). Clay's pretty killed alot of them that we know of. Who knows what kind of reasons Lenny might have for killing Clay. Maybe that's what his extra privileges will be used for.Highly unlikely, of course, but an option.I don't really care who kills him, but I hope that all or most of the Club is involved. Whole Club watching as Jax or Ope beat him to death with their bare hands would be my vote.Whoever it is I can't wait for it to happen. Love to hate Clay.Not so sure about that. I still think the odds are better he gets it from one of the Sons. Let's look at motives:Jax: Clay is behind Tara's attempted abduction and broken hand. Also has made his life a living hell because of the cartel ####.Opie: Well, I'd say Clay murdering his father is motive enough.Tig: Has this almost creepy love for Gemma, and that was the final hammer blow that fully drove the developing wedge between him and Clay.Fat Elvis: Has been against drugs this whole time. But, sounds like he might have other problems with Otto. I know it might seem rash, but why do I get the feeling he could do a murder-suicide on Clay and himself when he's facing serious jail time?Juice: Some murder-suicide potential here, but he won't do it.Kozick: Oh wait, he's dead.Happy: Would kill for the sake of it.Chibbs: Really the only SOA member I don't see doing the job, and he's as bloodthirsty as they come.Gemma: Perhaps, but she had her chance and didn't take it.Unser: See Tig, only a little less on the creepy. Plus, he's got cancer and not much left to live for.So lots of possibilities, and most of them I'd say are fairly realistic. Of the ones listed, Jax, Opie, Tig, Fat Elvis, and Unser seem the likely ones.She didn't want retired sheriff guy to do anything remember? When she said "die by the hands of a son", I think she meant herself. Remember he kept telling her she was not a member of the club. She was just an old lady. This is how she proves she indeed is a member of the Sons.That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
Who is Lenny? I have been trying to figure this out since last episode.'Sconch said:You talking about Clay visiting Lenny in prison or something?'pollardsvision said:Yeah, they've really built up the excitement for this. I don't recall ever being so excited to see a character be brutally murdered as I am for Clay.On other longshot option for murdering Clay: LennyWe don't know much about him, but he's the only other living "First 9" guy (I think). Clay's pretty killed alot of them that we know of. Who knows what kind of reasons Lenny might have for killing Clay. Maybe that's what his extra privileges will be used for.Highly unlikely, of course, but an option.I don't really care who kills him, but I hope that all or most of the Club is involved. Whole Club watching as Jax or Ope beat him to death with their bare hands would be my vote.'Charlie Frown said:Whoever it is I can't wait for it to happen. Love to hate Clay.'Brady Marino said:Not so sure about that. I still think the odds are better he gets it from one of the Sons. Let's look at motives:Jax: Clay is behind Tara's attempted abduction and broken hand. Also has made his life a living hell because of the cartel ####.Opie: Well, I'd say Clay murdering his father is motive enough.Tig: Has this almost creepy love for Gemma, and that was the final hammer blow that fully drove the developing wedge between him and Clay.Fat Elvis: Has been against drugs this whole time. But, sounds like he might have other problems with Otto. I know it might seem rash, but why do I get the feeling he could do a murder-suicide on Clay and himself when he's facing serious jail time?Juice: Some murder-suicide potential here, but he won't do it.Kozick: Oh wait, he's dead.Happy: Would kill for the sake of it.Chibbs: Really the only SOA member I don't see doing the job, and he's as bloodthirsty as they come.Gemma: Perhaps, but she had her chance and didn't take it.Unser: See Tig, only a little less on the creepy. Plus, he's got cancer and not much left to live for.So lots of possibilities, and most of them I'd say are fairly realistic. Of the ones listed, Jax, Opie, Tig, Fat Elvis, and Unser seem the likely ones.'kinglochness said:She didn't want retired sheriff guy to do anything remember? When she said "die by the hands of a son", I think she meant herself. Remember he kept telling her she was not a member of the club. She was just an old lady. This is how she proves she indeed is a member of the Sons.That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
Lenny the Pimp. First 9 Doing life for killing a couple of ATF agents IIRCHe's played by Sonny Barger who was a founder of the Oakland chapter of the Hell's Angels.Who is Lenny? I have been trying to figure this out since last episode.'Sconch said:You talking about Clay visiting Lenny in prison or something?'pollardsvision said:Yeah, they've really built up the excitement for this. I don't recall ever being so excited to see a character be brutally murdered as I am for Clay.On other longshot option for murdering Clay: LennyWe don't know much about him, but he's the only other living "First 9" guy (I think). Clay's pretty killed alot of them that we know of. Who knows what kind of reasons Lenny might have for killing Clay. Maybe that's what his extra privileges will be used for.Highly unlikely, of course, but an option.I don't really care who kills him, but I hope that all or most of the Club is involved. Whole Club watching as Jax or Ope beat him to death with their bare hands would be my vote.'Charlie Frown said:Whoever it is I can't wait for it to happen. Love to hate Clay.'Brady Marino said:Not so sure about that. I still think the odds are better he gets it from one of the Sons. Let's look at motives:Jax: Clay is behind Tara's attempted abduction and broken hand. Also has made his life a living hell because of the cartel ####.Opie: Well, I'd say Clay murdering his father is motive enough.Tig: Has this almost creepy love for Gemma, and that was the final hammer blow that fully drove the developing wedge between him and Clay.Fat Elvis: Has been against drugs this whole time. But, sounds like he might have other problems with Otto. I know it might seem rash, but why do I get the feeling he could do a murder-suicide on Clay and himself when he's facing serious jail time?Juice: Some murder-suicide potential here, but he won't do it.Kozick: Oh wait, he's dead.Happy: Would kill for the sake of it.Chibbs: Really the only SOA member I don't see doing the job, and he's as bloodthirsty as they come.Gemma: Perhaps, but she had her chance and didn't take it.Unser: See Tig, only a little less on the creepy. Plus, he's got cancer and not much left to live for.So lots of possibilities, and most of them I'd say are fairly realistic. Of the ones listed, Jax, Opie, Tig, Fat Elvis, and Unser seem the likely ones.'kinglochness said:She didn't want retired sheriff guy to do anything remember? When she said "die by the hands of a son", I think she meant herself. Remember he kept telling her she was not a member of the club. She was just an old lady. This is how she proves she indeed is a member of the Sons.That quote could be taken in three different ways and I think it was intentionally vague like that."he will die by the hand of the son"Never thought about it in THAT way.
Not First 9. There was another Otto that was First 9 I guess.I know Big Otto is Kurt Sutter, but is he also First 9? That's never been clear.
Big Otto is not First 9 but Lenny ishttp://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/Lenny_%27The_Pimp%27_Janowitzhttp://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/First_9Not First 9. There was another Otto that was First 9 I guess.I know Big Otto is Kurt Sutter, but is he also First 9? That's never been clear.

Isn't that what I said?Big Otto is not First 9 but Lenny ishttp://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/Lenny_%27The_Pimp%27_Janowitzhttp://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/First_9Not First 9. There was another Otto that was First 9 I guess.I know Big Otto is Kurt Sutter, but is he also First 9? That's never been clear.![]()
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Yes, I didn't say you were wrong, you said I guess so I was just providing the info and I meant to quote a seocnd postIsn't that what I said?Big Otto is not First 9 but Lenny ishttp://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/Lenny_%27The_Pimp%27_Janowitzhttp://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/First_9Not First 9. There was another Otto that was First 9 I guess.I know Big Otto is Kurt Sutter, but is he also First 9? That's never been clear.![]()
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How in the world will Opie be talked down from killing Clay now that he has killed his father and previously had his wife killed? I don't see it how they can walk back from that. It is either Opie kills him or somehow messes up the attempt to kill him. If Opie does not at least try to kill Clay then I will be very disappointed in Opie.

I'm going to take a guess and say Jax will talk him down. Have you ever noticed that Jax has some sort of Jedi Mind Tricks going on for him? He says like 3 sentences and people make a 180."I'm going to kill this guy! *cocksgun* He shot my brother, ran over my dog, and violated my wife!""You don't want to do that, man. That's just what they want. Take a minute and think about it. Let the club handle that guy.""Yeah, OK. *lowersthehammer*"How in the world will Opie be talked down from killing Clay now that he has killed his father and previously had his wife killed? I don't see it how they can walk back from that. It is either Opie kills him or somehow messes up the attempt to kill him. If Opie does not at least try to kill Clay then I will be very disappointed in Opie.![]()
The only way I see Opie not trying to kill him right away is that he is promised that he will be killed soon (season finale?)... but I am having trouble seeing what the angle on that would be... why would Jax or Opie have a reason to not whack him right away? The entire club, including Tig, is on near open revolt against him... Gemma wants him dead... Unser wants him dead... the cartel wouldn't care who they dealt with as long as they got their guns and mules... I am not seeing the angle on waiting... but I am figuring that he won't be killed until the season finale.I'm going to take a guess and say Jax will talk him down. Have you ever noticed that Jax has some sort of Jedi Mind Tricks going on for him? He says like 3 sentences and people make a 180."I'm going to kill this guy! *cocksgun* He shot my brother, ran over my dog, and violated my wife!""You don't want to do that, man. That's just what they want. Take a minute and think about it. Let the club handle that guy.""Yeah, OK. *lowersthehammer*"How in the world will Opie be talked down from killing Clay now that he has killed his father and previously had his wife killed? I don't see it how they can walk back from that. It is either Opie kills him or somehow messes up the attempt to kill him. If Opie does not at least try to kill Clay then I will be very disappointed in Opie.![]()
Yeah, and then Lenny the Pimp uses his new found yard privileges to take out Clay in jail.I could see word getting to the club they're facing some RICO charges and wanting things pinned on Clay to take most of the fall. That's the only angle I can see to keep Opie or others from killing Clay immediately.