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***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2012 Thread (2 Viewers)

'5-ish Finkle said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
Chris Polk still out there if they're looking for a potential eventual starter at RB. Cyrus Gray not a bad player either. Chris rainey if they want an explosive change-of-pace guy for third downs. Can't block to save his life, though.

And there goes Crick to Houston. Damn. That kid's going to be a player for the Texans, great pick.
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Would love to get Polk in the 5th. Don't care if he looks soft like butter without a shirt, guy can ball.If they wanted to wait on RB and take a Rainey, I hope it's Bobby and not Chris. Chris is a lesser version of Dexter McCluster. No thankee.
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Somebody in this draft is going to get a steal with Bobby Rainey. That kid is a football player.
 
'5-ish Finkle said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
Chris Polk still out there if they're looking for a potential eventual starter at RB. Cyrus Gray not a bad player either. Chris rainey if they want an explosive change-of-pace guy for third downs. Can't block to save his life, though.And there goes Crick to Houston. Damn. That kid's going to be a player for the Texans, great pick.
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Would love to get Polk in the 5th. Don't care if he looks soft like butter without a shirt, guy can ball.If they wanted to wait on RB and take a Rainey, I hope it's Bobby and not Chris. Chris is a lesser version of Dexter McCluster. No thankee.
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Hearing health issues, in particular his knee. Not sure if its arthritic, degenerative or just from his over use in college.
 
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'5-ish Finkle said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
Chris Polk still out there if they're looking for a potential eventual starter at RB. Cyrus Gray not a bad player either. Chris rainey if they want an explosive change-of-pace guy for third downs. Can't block to save his life, though.And there goes Crick to Houston. Damn. That kid's going to be a player for the Texans, great pick.
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Would love to get Polk in the 5th. Don't care if he looks soft like butter without a shirt, guy can ball.If they wanted to wait on RB and take a Rainey, I hope it's Bobby and not Chris. Chris is a lesser version of Dexter McCluster. No thankee.
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They won't take him anyway, he can't block a lick. I watched Chris play a lot in HS (as you may have too, being in FL) - he has sick change of direction skills. He's probably the most elusive back in the draft, LaMichael James included. He's strictly a situational player, though. Might even be better converted to a slot receiver.
 
'Drunken Cowboy said:
'pecorino said:
anyone else get the sneaking suspicion that tomlin/lebeau are transitioning to a 4-3 possibly as early as 2013? for the past few years we've been clamoring for a NT to groom to take Hampton's spot and instead we draft Ziggy Hood and Heyward who, to me, both seem suited to the 4-3 switch and now with the Spence pick, it got me thinking again that a phase-out of the 3-4 may be on the horizon.
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Hood and Heyward are both best as 3-4 DE's. Maybe they do switch when Lebeau retires. I am hoping that is years off though.
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guess the alameda ta'amu pick in the fourth puts an abrupt end to this line of this thinking.
 
Cant imagine I would consider another offensive linemen here in the 5th.

LOL! Thats how bad its been, Cuz I so would do it.

Brown, Washington, Nix, Massie.

 
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'Evilgrin 72 said:
'5-ish Finkle said:
'Evilgrin 72 said:
Chris Polk still out there if they're looking for a potential eventual starter at RB. Cyrus Gray not a bad player either. Chris rainey if they want an explosive change-of-pace guy for third downs. Can't block to save his life, though.

And there goes Crick to Houston. Damn. That kid's going to be a player for the Texans, great pick.
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Would love to get Polk in the 5th. Don't care if he looks soft like butter without a shirt, guy can ball.If they wanted to wait on RB and take a Rainey, I hope it's Bobby and not Chris. Chris is a lesser version of Dexter McCluster. No thankee.
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They won't take him anyway, he can't block a lick. I watched Chris play a lot in HS (as you may have too, being in FL) - he has sick change of direction skills. He's probably the most elusive back in the draft, LaMichael James included. He's strictly a situational player, though. Might even be better converted to a slot receiver.
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Well, how do you like that?

 
Todd Haley strikes. A true scat out of the backfield.

#1 3-cone drill in the entire draft, and it wasnt close.

#2 (tied) in the 40-yard dash at RB.

#1 at 20-yard shuttle at RB (2nd overall).

#1 60-yard shuttle at RB. (2nd overall)

Chris is a lesser version of Dexter McCluster.
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Rainey was considerably faster in every above measurable and weighs 10 more pounds while being an inch shorter then Dexter.
 
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'BigSteelThrill said:
Todd Haley strikes. A true scat out of the backfield.

#1 3-cone drill in the entire draft, and it wasnt close.

#2 (tied) in the 40 yard dash at RB.

#1 at 20 yard shuttle at RB (2nd overall).
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He also ran poorly at the combine and posted a 4.33 at his Pro Day. He's possibly the fastest player in the entire draft. Just a question of where to use him now - returns, as a slot receiver, in 5-wide sets, etc..
 
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'BigSteelThrill said:
Todd Haley strikes. A true scat out of the backfield.

#1 3-cone drill in the entire draft, and it wasnt close.

#2 (tied) in the 40 yard dash at RB.

#1 at 20-yard shuttle at RB (2nd overall)

#1 60-yard shuttle at RB. (2nd overall)
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He also ran poorly at the combine and posted a 4.33 at his Pro Day. He's possibly the fastest player in the entire draft. Just a question of where to use him now - returns, as a slot receiver, in 5-wide sets, etc..
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:thumbup: Strengths: Perhaps the most explosive cutting ability and straight-line speed of any athlete in the 2012 draft. Can make defenders look silly due to his lateral agility and sudden acceleration. Versatile. Saw time as a running back, receiver, punt returner and kick returner for the Gators. Looks natural catching the ball out of the backfield and has shown the ability to track the ball over his shoulder and snatch passes outside of his frame. Has struggled a bit with durability over his career but is willing to play with pain. Relishes his opportunities on special teams but is not just a return specialist. Explosive burst led to his breaking the school and SEC record with six blocked punts.

 
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2 things I just learned on twitter.

Raines older bro is he hate me

Raines said he is faster than Wallace.

Here we go

 
Not a fan of Raindance, or whatever you guys want to call him.

He better be a WR/KR, because the moment he plays a snap at RB he's going to get whoever the QB is killed.

Round 5 though, so I won't b@#$$ to loudly after the rest of the players they've landed.

 
'mcintyre1 said:
I really hope the Steelers take a long look at Alfonzo Dennard is he drops to their 4th rounder. The "character issues" that made him drop are completely overblown. Kid was dumb to punch a cop right before the draft (that's an understatement), but he went his entire career at Nebraska without any issues and was a trendy 1st round projection at the start of the year.
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We're already drafting a bunch of idiots, and this guy is still available in the late 6th. Pull the trigger.
 
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
'mcintyre1 said:
I really hope the Steelers take a long look at Alfonzo Dennard is he drops to their 4th rounder. The "character issues" that made him drop are completely overblown. Kid was dumb to punch a cop right before the draft (that's an understatement), but he went his entire career at Nebraska without any issues and was a trendy 1st round projection at the start of the year.
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We're already drafting a bunch of idiots, and this guy is still available in the late 6th. Pull the trigger.
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I'm a bit stunned he's still available. He's better, as a player, than Prince Amukamara was. He can play excellent press coverage, has good ball skills, great agility, and is very good against the run for a corner. The Steelers could easily draft their #2 CB right now in this guy.
 
'mcintyre1 said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
'mcintyre1 said:
I really hope the Steelers take a long look at Alfonzo Dennard is he drops to their 4th rounder. The "character issues" that made him drop are completely overblown. Kid was dumb to punch a cop right before the draft (that's an understatement), but he went his entire career at Nebraska without any issues and was a trendy 1st round projection at the start of the year.
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We're already drafting a bunch of idiots, and this guy is still available in the late 6th. Pull the trigger.
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I'm a bit stunned he's still available. He's better, as a player, than Prince Amukamara was. He can play excellent press coverage, has good ball skills, great agility, and is very good against the run for a corner. The Steelers could easily draft their #2 CB right now in this guy.
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This is a stretch. He was a 3rd-4th round prospect. Plus punching a cop is a pretty serious character issue. I am with Matt Taibbi. Draft the weed guy avoid the guy who punches cops in the face.

 
OVERVIEW

Clemons was a reliable starter after transferring from Michigan. He is a huge and athletic receiver in the mold of Anquan Boldin. He has the same body type and strong base, and can go across the middle, using his core strength to break arm tackles and get upfield. Clemons has some value as a returner but would be merely serviceable in that role as a pro. Clemons has sixth-round value based on his potential to become a solid NFL pass-catcher.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

Clemons is polished as a runner, able to get into a cornerback's cushion off the line. He can break tackles after the catch and is productive at running drive routes across the field. He can catch a quick slant, break a tackle on a smaller corner, then look to run over a safety. He has the speed to be a deceptive deep threat and knows how to work underneath and sit down against zone coverage.

WEAKNESSES

Clemons has had issues dropping the ball. He is confident, but struggles to catch the ball with his hands and bring it into his frame. He is a physical blocker but can be too aggressive and a liability there at times.

 
'Drunken Cowboy said:
'mcintyre1 said:
'AhrnCityPahnder said:
'mcintyre1 said:
I really hope the Steelers take a long look at Alfonzo Dennard is he drops to their 4th rounder. The "character issues" that made him drop are completely overblown. Kid was dumb to punch a cop right before the draft (that's an understatement), but he went his entire career at Nebraska without any issues and was a trendy 1st round projection at the start of the year.
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We're already drafting a bunch of idiots, and this guy is still available in the late 6th. Pull the trigger.
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I'm a bit stunned he's still available. He's better, as a player, than Prince Amukamara was. He can play excellent press coverage, has good ball skills, great agility, and is very good against the run for a corner. The Steelers could easily draft their #2 CB right now in this guy.
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This is a stretch. He was a 3rd-4th round prospect. Plus punching a cop is a pretty serious character issue. I am with Matt Taibbi. Draft the weed guy avoid the guy who punches cops in the face.
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As a guy who watched every game that both Prince and Dennard played in and is also a draftnick and college recruiting nerd, I stick with my assessment that Dennard is better. I don't need others to tell me who I like better.
 
'JoeSteeler said:
OVERVIEW

Clemons was a reliable starter after transferring from Michigan. He is a huge and athletic receiver in the mold of Anquan Boldin. He has the same body type and strong base, and can go across the middle, using his core strength to break arm tackles and get upfield. Clemons has some value as a returner but would be merely serviceable in that role as a pro. Clemons has sixth-round value based on his potential to become a solid NFL pass-catcher.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

Clemons is polished as a runner, able to get into a cornerback's cushion off the line. He can break tackles after the catch and is productive at running drive routes across the field. He can catch a quick slant, break a tackle on a smaller corner, then look to run over a safety. He has the speed to be a deceptive deep threat and knows how to work underneath and sit down against zone coverage.

WEAKNESSES

Clemons has had issues dropping the ball. He is confident, but struggles to catch the ball with his hands and bring it into his frame. He is a physical blocker but can be too aggressive and a liability there at times.
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Also a Western PA kid from Valley High.
 
He is from Greater Pittsburgh area from New Kensington.

So maybe someone knows his background from HS days.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272558/toney-clemons

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04/02/2012 - Pro days can lead to pay days in the NFL. One head-turning performance by a college standout can draw that fine line between the beginnings of a pro career and selling insurance for a living. Valley grad Toney Clemons had one of those attention-grabbing pro days earlier this month in Boulder, Colo., and it could have unlocked a door into the NFL. "It came down to 80 yards," said Clemons, a 6-foot-2, 210-pound wide receiver who wasn't invited to the NFL Scouting Combine but played in a senior all-star game in Arkansas. "Two 40 (-yard dashes). I had a quiet confidence and was ready to compete that day." The Colorado grad blistered the 40-yard

dash in 4.36 seconds -- the fastest 40 time in the former track star's career. "Officially, it's the fastest," said Clemons, 23. "You have some great athletes running the 10 split in 1.50 or 1.49. I did it in 1.47. You want to be able to perform when it counts most." "I have the draftable grades," Clemons said. "To be picked would be a great thing. I feel I have done what I needed to do. It's incredible to be in a position where I once saw myself getting to." - Bill Beckner Jr., Valley News Dispatch

 
Ed Bouchette foreshadowed the pick a few hours ago:

Ed: WR Clemons Would be a Nice Fit

SATURDAY, 28 APRIL 2012 14:10 WRITTEN BY ED BOUCHETTE

Here’s a suggestion for the Steelers on the fifth round: Wide receiver Toney Clemons of Colorado. He’s big at 6-1, 210 and extremely fast, although he does not seem to be rated this high.

He went to Valley High School, near Pittsburgh.

He also could be a great return man and while the Steelers have one in Antonio Brown, they likely won’t want to use him on kickoffs AND punts because he will start at wide receiver in 2012.

Some may think the fifth round, though, is a little high for Clemons, who could still be available in the seventh round.
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OVERVIEW

Paulson has been a reliable pass-catching tight end for Oregon. He struggles to get open, but he makes plays when the ball is thrown. He has been a consistent and durable starter who has always been capable of keeping the chains moving within the offense. He can make the spectacular catch and has sixth-round talent.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

Paulson is athletic, although he doesn't look the part. He is quick to get into his route and understands to how to play to his strengths. He knows how to lean on linebackers or throw a last-second jab at them to get space. He is decent as a blocker to wall off his defender, something he was asked to do a lot in Oregon's offense.

WEAKNESSES

Paulson will find it difficult to get open at the next level going up against more athletic linebackers. He is a slow mover who struggles to change direction quickly, which could be dangerous as it will allow linebackers and safeties to recover or undercut his routes.

 
'JoeSteeler said:
OVERVIEW

Paulson has been a reliable pass-catching tight end for Oregon. He struggles to get open, but he makes plays when the ball is thrown. He has been a consistent and durable starter who has always been capable of keeping the chains moving within the offense. He can make the spectacular catch and has sixth-round talent.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

Paulson is athletic, although he doesn't look the part. He is quick to get into his route and understands to how to play to his strengths. He knows how to lean on linebackers or throw a last-second jab at them to get space. He is decent as a blocker to wall off his defender, something he was asked to do a lot in Oregon's offense.

WEAKNESSES

Paulson will find it difficult to get open at the next level going up against more athletic linebackers. He is a slow mover who struggles to change direction quickly, which could be dangerous as it will allow linebackers and safeties to recover or undercut his routes.
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Don't love this pick, but who cares at this point.
 
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