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***OFFICIAL*** Steelers 2012 Thread (3 Viewers)

'bucksoh said:
'Kenny Powers said:
'Godsbrother said:
The Ravens have FB Vonta Leach and the Texans have FB Lawrence Vickers. Both of these teams seem to run the ball pretty well.
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HOU has the best OL in the league, BAL probably isnt too far off. Not to mention Rice and Foster are more talented backs than Mendy/Redman
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While I agree their line is a lot better than ours, Mendy pre injury >>>>>>> Rice, Foster. If you put Mendy behind their lines his numbers would be off the charts. Their a product of the O Line nothing more. This is just CJ revisited

who is, was a product of his O-line.
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Probably one of the dumber things I've read on here in awhile. Mendenhall is a league average back. He doesn't have good vision, he doesn't have good instincts, he doesn't consistently make defenders miss, he doesn't consistently pick up yards after contact, and he doesn't have great long speed. You call that an elite back? Get real.

There's no comparison. Players like Foster and Rice are a completely different level than Mendenhall as pure runners, let alone everything else they do.

I'm not even sure Mendenhall is the best back on the Steelers. In purely football terms, I'd probably take Redman over him. Mewelde Moore even does a better job at reading holes and setting up blockers.

 
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'bucksoh said:
'Kenny Powers said:
'Godsbrother said:
The Ravens have FB Vonta Leach and the Texans have FB Lawrence Vickers. Both of these teams seem to run the ball pretty well.
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HOU has the best OL in the league, BAL probably isnt too far off. Not to mention Rice and Foster are more talented backs than Mendy/Redman
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While I agree their line is a lot better than ours, Mendy pre injury >>>>>>> Rice, Foster. If you put Mendy behind their lines his numbers would be off the charts. Their a product of the O Line nothing more. This is just CJ revisited

who is, was a product of his O-line.
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As a big Mendy fan, I do think its closer than many people would say (especially Steeler fans), but I think Rice is a better all around RB than Mendy even if the measureables dont agree. I think Foster is harder to say because their line is nasty and I dont think he is faster, stronger, more agile, etc than Mendy. Only thing Id give Foster is vision.
 
'Frenchy Fuqua said:
Wexell from Senior Bowl:@jimwexell: Just been watching Courtney Upshaw and Quinton Coples turn Cordy Glenn into the Steelers' first-round pick. He'll finish 2012 as starting LG.@jimwexell: @ChrisDokish "You're saying he's dropping?" -- Sorry. I should've said Glenn just blocked some great players. He owned Upshaw..
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Awesome, although Ive seen Glenn in mock drafts ahead of the Steelers, and Kiper is high on him (top 15 last I looked). His G/T versatility also helps his draft stock. Good to hear though, because that must mean he was playing tackle since those guys are edge rushers.With this news, I might bump him up to #1 as the guy I want the Steelers to take (within reason), and put Hightower #2.
 
'PhD said:
uh-oh...http://inagist.com/AdamSchefter/163649636039532544/Count me in as a fan of Arians leaving but what is this about Butler going with Arians? What happens next year when LeBeau really retires?
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Many are thinking Jerry Olsavsky will be promoted to LB coach. I guess he would then be in the running for DC when LeBeau retires.
 
Butler has an interview on Tuesday. I do not think he is going anywhere. He is slated to be the DC when LeBeau retires. He turned down a job two years ago for this reason.

 
'fdsannie said:
Butler has an interview on Tuesday. I do not think he is going anywhere. He is slated to be the DC when LeBeau retires. He turned down a job two years ago for this reason.
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He did, but I also doubt he was under the impression that, apparently, LeBeau was going to coach until he was 80 at the time either. :) Losing Butler will be a much bigger deal than losing Arians. That is for certain.

 
Well, at least we don't have to worry about Butler anymore. Good deal.

Apparently, now with Caldwell in Baltimore as the QBs coach(nicely dodged bullet there, Pittsburgh), Tomlin has been soliciting information about Todd Haley from around the league:

My linkButler retained. Tomlin inquiring about Todd Haley.

Dunno how I feel about that. On paper, it could probably be argued as a decent move move....but Haley scares me. His ego is large. I don't want Ben handed another "golf buddy", by default, as his next OC, but I wonder if Haley's too far in the other direction?

With the continued jockeying of other coaches for OC interviews, I wonder if Fichtner will fly the coop for the Memphis HC gig if he isn't promoted?

 
'5-ish Finkle said:
'fdsannie said:
Butler has an interview on Tuesday. I do not think he is going anywhere. He is slated to be the DC when LeBeau retires. He turned down a job two years ago for this reason.
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He did, but I also doubt he was under the impression that, apparently, LeBeau was going to coach until he was 80 at the time either. :) Losing Butler will be a much bigger deal than losing Arians. That is for certain.
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What did I tell you? ;)

 
'Idiot Boxer said:
Is Clements out of the running. He'd be my choice.
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With Philbin to Miami, I think its all but a mere formality that Clements gets the promotion in GB from QB Coach to Offensive Coordinator.In the event he doesnt get the job in GB, I think that PIT may be a consolation prize for him.
 
'BigSteelThrill said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
I really hope they do not hire Todd Haley. I just do not like the guy.
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I do.He certainly had some conflicts as a Head Coach and man-in-charge, but he wont be the HC and he will be in a very healthy team environment that is already well established.
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He's a nut job for sure and I prefer Clements as well if available, but I think this team, staff, and Ben in particular could use a little bit of Haley's fire and tough love style.I would be pretty excited if he ends up being either the OC or QB coach.

 
I "fear" a Haley hire would probably be a thing of extremes: Either very good, or very bad.

Sometimes players really respond well to getting called on their @#$#@. I think Haley would probably be more than willing to do that, as illustrated by his past experience. Of course, sometimes players don't respond well to that....and they basically mutiny. I think part of the problem Haley could have with "getting players to get on board of a more in-your-face style" is that he's never played football. At, like, any level, IIRC. There are players who will automatically, and probably unintelligently, assume that means he "isn't qualified to tell them what to do."

Not saying that is what would happen if he's hired in Pittsburgh. I think the organization as a whole, and the rest of the current staff in particular, wouldn't allow that to go on for more than a hot minute.....but I'm just saying it's something that they need to consider.

If hired, I'd have more misgivings about Haley in relation to his interpersonal skills, with players and coaches, than I really do about his playcalling/gameplanning/etc. The one year he had total control of an offense with real talent in the passing game was '08. Cards were top 4 in scoring and yardage that season. That's the kind of offensive production the offensive talent on this Steelers team should be able to output, regardless of how much balance they achieve it with(which I personally don't care about much. I just want more points).

Clearly they need to run the ball better, at least situationally, and they need to become less predictable overall on offense in an effort to bank more TDs. If Haley is hired and can manage to do that, I'll happily accept that he might be kind of a #### and not worry about if he's well liked in the lockerroom. :)

 
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Love that they were able to keep Butler, although I was warming up to the idea of Carnell Lake taking over once Lebeau left, although he probably doesnt have enough experience/track record. I also think it shows just how much more they value Butler than Arians, to an almost laughable extent.

Haley would cartainly be an interesting OC here. He strikes me as someone they would have to get rid of within 1-2 years though if he's not having success.

 
'5-ish Finkle said:
I "fear" a Haley hire would probably be a thing of extremes: Either very good, or very bad.
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I agree with this whole-heartedly.I guess my need to be entertained makes me want him on board as much as anything else about the guy.
 
People hate Todd Harley and by people I mean everybody who has ever had any contact with him and by hate I mean loath. His hire will not go over well in the locker room.

 
'The Hank said:
'Idiot Boxer said:
Is Clements out of the running. He'd be my choice.
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With Philbin to Miami, I think its all but a mere formality that Clements gets the promotion in GB from QB Coach to Offensive Coordinator.In the event he doesnt get the job in GB, I think that PIT may be a consolation prize for him.
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Who is to say he would take the job in GB if he had his choice?
 
Well, if memory serves he got passed over for the OC spot for Whisenhunt back in '04(he then followed Mularkey to Buffalo to be their OC). Maybe has a grudge over it?

Not saying he does, just saying he could. And I may even be remembering that wrong.

 
PFT is spinning the Haley interview as a "courtesy" to the Haley family to get his name out there and that there may be little real interest in hiring him. :shrug:

 
Haley interviews, unlikely to get Arians' job

Wednesday, February 01, 2012

By Gerry Dulac, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Former Kansas City Chiefs coach Todd Haley, an Upper St. Clair native, is the latest candidate to interview for the Steelers' vacant offensive coordinator position. But the possibility of him being hired to replace Bruce Arians seems remote.

Haley, the son of former Steelers personnel director **** Haley, was at the South Side facility Tuesday to meet with coach Mike Tomlin -- an interview uncharacteristically announced on the team's website.

Haley is the second former head coach to interview for the position. Former Indianapolis Colts coach Jim Caldwell was at the Steelers facility Saturday. Caldwell never was offered the position and agreed Monday to become the Baltimore Ravens quarterbacks coach.

Haley's interview was something of a surprise because he has a reputation for not getting along with players and coaches. He was the offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals when they lost against the Steelers in Super Bowl XLIII.

Meantime, Arians was announced Tuesday as the new offensive coordinator in Indianapolis, a move that came 10 days after the Steelers announced he had decided to retire. But Arians, 59, was not offered a contract to return in 2012 and never intended to retire. He considered several jobs, including quarterbacks coach in Arizona, before joining the Colts.

The Colts also announced they have signed former Steelers assistant offensive line coach Harold Goodwin as their offensive line coach.

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Well, we have been reading Tomlin has been "gathering information" on Mr. Haley. I would have to believe the Steelers know Haley quite well. Am not sure what can be gleaned from gathering information at this point; the guy is either a viable candidate or not given what the organization wants to do on offense.

Art II is a very successful exec, to be sure. This entire Arians episode, how it played out, and its implications for Tomlin, could have been handled much better. And that isn't me talking. The Pgh media and others close to the organization have gone on the record with that assessment. I agree with those who say Haley would be boom or bust as OC.

Perhaps Clements is on the way. Perhaps. But if Fichter is the fallback option at this stage, I'd be concerned about his attitude since this little parade of applicants has floated through and he hadn't simply been elevated to OC when Arians was booted.

Just conjecture, but it seems the team is vamping until they can either convince the person they truly want to come on board or get a definitive no from said individual.

 
'monessen said:
Well, we have been reading Tomlin has been "gathering information" on Mr. Haley. I would have to believe the Steelers know Haley quite well. Am not sure what can be gleaned from gathering information at this point; the guy is either a viable candidate or not given what the organization wants to do on offense.Art II is a very successful exec, to be sure. This entire Arians episode, how it played out, and its implications for Tomlin, could have been handled much better. And that isn't me talking. The Pgh media and others close to the organization have gone on the record with that assessment. I agree with those who say Haley would be boom or bust as OC. Perhaps Clements is on the way. Perhaps. But if Fichter is the fallback option at this stage, I'd be concerned about his attitude since this little parade of applicants has floated through and he hadn't simply been elevated to OC when Arians was booted.Just conjecture, but it seems the team is vamping until they can either convince the person they truly want to come on board or get a definitive no from said individual.
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Agreed. I assumed that Clements would be promoted to Green Bay OC when Joe Philbin moved onto Miami. But the Pack has had nearly two weeks to make that move, maybe there is a bidding war going on.
 
'monessen said:
Perhaps Clements is on the way. Perhaps. But if Fichter is the fallback option at this stage, I'd be concerned about his attitude since this little parade of applicants has floated through and he hadn't simply been elevated to OC when Arians was booted.

Just conjecture, but it seems the team is vamping until they can either convince the person they truly want to come on board or get a definitive no from said individual.
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I am sure that Fichter is aware that this is a process and will be absolutely thrilled if he is named OC. I would be more concerned about his attitude if he was just handed the job without them bringing anyone else in. This way he knows the Steelers looked around and felt that he was the most qualified, instead of just being the next guy in line.
 
'Godsbrother said:
'monessen said:
Perhaps Clements is on the way. Perhaps. But if Fichter is the fallback option at this stage, I'd be concerned about his attitude since this little parade of applicants has floated through and he hadn't simply been elevated to OC when Arians was booted.

Just conjecture, but it seems the team is vamping until they can either convince the person they truly want to come on board or get a definitive no from said individual.
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I am sure that Fichter is aware that this is a process and will be absolutely thrilled if he is named OC. I would be more concerned about his attitude if he was just handed the job without them bringing anyone else in. This way he knows the Steelers looked around and felt that he was the most qualified, instead of just being the next guy in line.
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:goodposting:
 
'Evilgrin 72 said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
Rhodes scholar, Myron Rolle has signed with the Steelers.
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He's a Rhodes scholar and he got a 33 on his Wonderlic? He's a guy I was hoping they'd draft, but he didn't see the field once all year for Tennessee, so I have a feeling he won't be much of a contributor.
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If you buy the IQ conversion, that works out to an IQ of 126. That would probably be around average for an MD or Ph.D.
 
'The Hank said:
'Godsbrother said:
'monessen said:
Perhaps Clements is on the way. Perhaps. But if Fichter is the fallback option at this stage, I'd be concerned about his attitude since this little parade of applicants has floated through and he hadn't simply been elevated to OC when Arians was booted.

Just conjecture, but it seems the team is vamping until they can either convince the person they truly want to come on board or get a definitive no from said individual.
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I am sure that Fichter is aware that this is a process and will be absolutely thrilled if he is named OC. I would be more concerned about his attitude if he was just handed the job without them bringing anyone else in. This way he knows the Steelers looked around and felt that he was the most qualified, instead of just being the next guy in line.
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I would like to believe this is the case. But I don't think it was true of the last 3 OCs. Fichter may be serious about Memphis or elsewhere.The Caldwell thing I don't get at all. Did his interview in Pgh on the way to Baltimore simply supply leverage for him to get the deal he wanted from the Ravens? Would someone want to be QB coach instead of an OC? Again, I think the Steeler OC job might be a little too daunting for the less-resolute candidates.

 
Rotoworld is reporting Clements was made GB OC.

John Clayton is saying the Kirby Wilson is likely to be Pgh OC if he does well with his physical rehab.

This is fairly strange. It had been mentioned months ago Wilson was the likely heir apparent to Arians. If they are pretty certain he will recover well enough, what is/was all that other stuff with Haley, Caldwell, and company?

 
'monessen said:
If they are pretty certain he will recover well enough, what is/was all that other stuff with Haley, Caldwell, and company?
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Because at this point I don't think there can be any certainty with Wilson's recovery. He's got a long rehab ahead of him, that's for sure, regardless of how well he ultimately recovers.
 
'5-ish Finkle said:
'monessen said:
If they are pretty certain he will recover well enough, what is/was all that other stuff with Haley, Caldwell, and company?
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Because at this point I don't think there can be any certainty with Wilson's recovery. He's got a long rehab ahead of him, that's for sure, regardless of how well he ultimately recovers.
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:goodposting: I would think the OC has a lot of work to do this offseason, putting together an offense, working with Ben, preparing or the draft, minicamp, etc. I don't see how they can hold the job for Wilson.
 
Agreed on Wilson and the precarious status. My conjecture is they had a plan that involved someone to alter the offense, but it fell through. Wilson's recovery, which we hope for, may not be conducive to handling the grind ahead.

The whole notion of the Rooney family as benevolent bosses running a family-type operation is more truth than fiction. But this heavy-handed Arians-Ben-Tomlin soap opera is unusual inasmuch as Tomlin initially told the media all coaching staff members were expected back.

Now, Dan Rooney was much more discrete yet direct when he wanted an assistant gone. He was not infallible, either. He fired Dungy as DC after the '88 season, over Noll's protests, though that defense was a sieve patched together temporarily by Rod Rust the next season. Moreover, when the Bucs called Dan for his assessment of Dungy as a prospective head coach hire, Rooney felt Dungy was too soft-spoken for players to respect him. I think Rooney was glad to be proven wrong.

 
Rooney and Arians didn't see eye to eye and so his contract wasn't renewed, it happens all of the time.

I think some people here are getting their panties in a bunch prematurely over the situation.

 
'bananafish said:
Holding the job for a guy who just spent a month in critical condition is preposterous. If it comes out that that is the Steelers' plan I would have to question their competency; but then the way this whole thing has played out has been rather amateurish.
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I disagree completely. If they think he is going to recover in time to take the job next year, that this is both consistent with the way the Steelers organization is run and any detriment to losing a month or two of hard work will more than be made up by the support and good will among the team and the community. I'd much rather have a team guy, feel good story as the OC than a well known dooshbag.
 
'bananafish said:
I fear that this was a spur-of-the-moment decision by Rooney that he felt compelled to make after Tomlin (unintentionally or not) forced his hand by saying he expected the coaching staff to return intact. If indeed there was a plan they were forced to implement it before all their ducks were in a row.
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Only Tomlin didn't force anyone's hand. Here is what Tomlin said when asked about the return of his coordinators.
"I anticipate it, but of course, we all understand what the end of the season is about. Movement is apart of it in today's NFL. We're going to work to maintain continuity as we always do. We believe that's a benefit to us. But we also understand things happen and we'll deal with those things as they arise."
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It reads a little differently when not taken out of context.Arians non-tender is not a case of Art II one-upping Tomlin or a sign of dissension within the ranks. It is how professional organizations do business. They don't broadcast intentions through the media.At the appropriate time, they sit down as an executive staff and make a decision. That is what Tomlin and Rooney did.I'm also certain they understood exactly what Wilson's condition was, particularly if they had him tabbed to be OC. The timeframe's involved are not taking anyone by surprise if that is the direction they have decided to go.I guess I just find it laughable that some folks seem to think that suddenly the Steelers FO has become some sort of soap-opera style, bickering, uninformed group of dolts when they have proven to be anything but that over a period of decades.
 
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I'll try to get this in before the guy who posts "treat is really tearing it up today" following treat88's messages. Must be great to have a cheerleader.

This is from John Steigerwald today (Feb 3):

According to Gerry Dulacs story in todays Post-Gazette, Bruce Arians only retired from coaching after his contract to be the Steelers offensive coordinator was not renewed.

So he was fired and then he retired.

Mike Tomlin told Arians and the media that he planned on having Arians return for next season.

Art Rooney III said that the decision was Tomlins to make, but he also said that the offense needs to score more points and that some senior memebers of the coaching staff might be moving on.

So, was Tomlin lying when he said that he had told Arians that he would be OC in 2013, was he lying when he told Arians that he would be coming back or was Rooney lying when he said the decision was up to his head coach?

You make the call.

Now from Dale Lolley's column of Jan 21, later citing that aforementioned quote from Tomlin:

Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians informed Tomlin he will retire, leaving the Steelers searching for someone new to run the offense.

"I appreciate his efforts over the past five years as the team's offensive coordinator and for helping lead our offense to new heights," Tomlin said in a statement released by the Steelers. "I am grateful to Bruce for contributing to our success and wish him nothing but the best in his retirement."

The move comes just two weeks after Tomlin said he expected both Arians and longtime defensive coordinator **** LeBeau to return for the 2012 season."I anticipate it, but, of course, we all understand what the end of the season is about, and movement is a part of it in today's NFL for players and coaches," Tomlin said at the time. "We are going to try to maintain continuity, like we always do. We believe that is a benefit to us, but we also understand that things can happen."

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OK. So, after the Denver game, Tomlin did not foresee any changes, until the head honcho got involved. And Arians "retired." We know how things really played out. So, not a soap opera on the scale of, say, Days of Our Lives, but there were mixed signals left and right. I agree that there are organizations who do business in certain ways. The point is that the Steelers don't usually conduct theirs as such. Just the idea that the star QB has to have a "sit-down" with the Big Boss ought to underscore how peculiar this has been. No one said the FO consisted of bickering dolts. Where is that notion advanced? That is hyperbole. So, yes, context is important. Hope this provides some.

 
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'monessen said:
I'll try to get this in before the guy who posts "treat is really tearing it up today" following treat88's messages. Must be great to have a cheerleader.This is from John Steigerwald today (Feb 3):According to Gerry Dulac’s story in today’s Post-Gazette, Bruce Arians only retired from coaching after his contract to be the Steelers’ offensive coordinator was not renewed.So he was fired and then he retired.Mike Tomlin told Arians and the media that he planned on having Arians return for next season.Art Rooney III said that the decision was Tomlin’s to make, but he also said that the offense needs to score more points and that some senior memebers of the coaching staff might be moving on.So, was Tomlin lying when he said that he had told Arians that he would be OC in 2013, was he lying when he told Arians that he would be coming back or was Rooney lying when he said the decision was up to his head coach?You make the call.
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John Steigerwald is a MAJOR d-bag and is a hack as a reporter. He is not a credible source for information on the Steelers and can't even get the name of the team's president right (Art Rooney II not III). And not renewing a contract is not the same thing as being fired either. We have no idea if Tomlin ever told Arians he would be OC in 2013 and neither does Steigerwald. He has as much inside knowledge of the goings-on in the Steelers organization as we do. He is a just surly jerk that constantly get himself fired by making ignorant statements.Maybe Rooney is a meddling buffoon and that he and Tomlin are at odds and maybe the whole organization is going down the toilet. I tend to give the Steelers the benefit of the doubt when it comes to making personnel decisions but you have every right to think the Steelers are going the way of the Browns if you want to. Just don't base it on anything Steigerwald has to say.
 
I'll try to get this in before the guy who posts "treat is really tearing it up today" following treat88's messages. Must be great to have a cheerleader.
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:lmao:Someone's grumpy today, huh? Enjoy your weekend anyway, champ.
 
Odd. I don't recall identifying anyone specifically by name as a cheerleader. But ditto on the "enjoy the weekend" part---for everyone. Should be a good Super Bowl.

As for Steigerwald, I think he was only repeating what has been reported/said by others. There's no doubt on how "well-liked" he isn't. Art III (?) may have been a typo since there was a clear typo in another sentence. Hate to "shoot the messenger," but there would be a long line in this instance.

The quote below is from Ray Fittapaldo of the PPG on January 10th, and then I'm done:

Tomlin said he expects offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and defensive coordinator **** LeBeau to return next season.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/1202483-66-0.stm#ixzz1lLW1Y62I

 
'monessen said:
I'll try to get this in before the guy who posts "treat is really tearing it up today" following treat88's messages. Must be great to have a cheerleader.

This is from John Steigerwald today (Feb 3):

According to Gerry Dulac’s story in today’s Post-Gazette, Bruce Arians only retired from coaching after his contract to be the Steelers’ offensive coordinator was not renewed.

So he was fired and then he retired.

Mike Tomlin told Arians and the media that he planned on having Arians return for next season.

Art Rooney III said that the decision was Tomlin’s to make, but he also said that the offense needs to score more points and that some senior memebers of the coaching staff might be moving on.

So, was Tomlin lying when he said that he had told Arians that he would be OC in 2013, was he lying when he told Arians that he would be coming back or was Rooney lying when he said the decision was up to his head coach?

You make the call.

Now from Dale Lolley's column of Jan 21, later citing that aforementioned quote from Tomlin:

Offensive coordinator Bruce Arians informed Tomlin he will retire, leaving the Steelers searching for someone new to run the offense.

"I appreciate his efforts over the past five years as the team's offensive coordinator and for helping lead our offense to new heights," Tomlin said in a statement released by the Steelers. "I am grateful to Bruce for contributing to our success and wish him nothing but the best in his retirement."

The move comes just two weeks after Tomlin said he expected both Arians and longtime defensive coordinator **** LeBeau to return for the 2012 season."I anticipate it, but, of course, we all understand what the end of the season is about, and movement is a part of it in today's NFL for players and coaches," Tomlin said at the time. "We are going to try to maintain continuity, like we always do. We believe that is a benefit to us, but we also understand that things can happen."

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OK. So, after the Denver game, Tomlin did not foresee any changes, until the head honcho got involved. And Arians "retired." We know how things really played out. So, not a soap opera on the scale of, say, Days of Our Lives, but there were mixed signals left and right. I agree that there are organizations who do business in certain ways. The point is that the Steelers don't usually conduct theirs as such. Just the idea that the star QB has to have a "sit-down" with the Big Boss ought to underscore how peculiar this has been. No one said the FO consisted of bickering dolts. Where is that notion advanced? That is hyperbole. So, yes, context is important. Hope this provides some.
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You put in bold an opinion that is directly refuted by the quote that follows it.I would be interested to se something that actually corroborates Tomlin informing Arians that he would be retained.

I don't believe that information can be provided tho, because that likely didn't happen.

If folks would listen to Bens response that has lead to this notion that he wants a formal sit down regarding Arts decision rather than just reading media bites I think they would be less apt to bye into the sensationalism.

Sure, I was hyperbolic in my earlier response...a lot of unfounded assumptions and reading tea leaves that really don't exist has to go into the intrigue the media is trying to create surrounding Arians not being retained. It gets old...hence the hyperbole.

If folks want to believe there is some sort of rift within the FO that us certainly their call...its simply not supported by the public record.

As to the petty cheerleading crack, that has happened exactly once in my posting career on this board. It just so happened that the facts directly refuted what the poster in question was trying to infer. I just pointed that out.

 
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