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***Official Super Bowl Game Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Manning and Co will pick that D apart. A 7 pt line is a gimme.
KC had more votes over IndySD was a gimmie to win the Super Bowl...Chicago was an overWHEMINGLY underdog to lose to the SaintsNewEngland was picked over Indy, though it got close to the end.Everyone thought Indy was a yearly fold, but finally had something to prove, vs a "regular season dominance to protec"t. Now.. they got over the hurdle.... but given the skeptics over them beating KC, then Baltimore, then the Pats.. now they are 7pt+ favorites.Nighty night... the Chicago LB corps is not the AARP-riddled Brushi-Vrabel who let Clark run rampant. They shut down the Saints #1 offense.. but stopping the running game (first, no problem), then being able to take advantage of scheme/speed/physical ability. Besides, THIS team WILL be able to run on Indy.
 
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428143 said:
The Bears offensive line needs to follow up a dominating effort with another one. Benson and Jones are pretty damn good at chipping the rush ends/blitzing backers, so I think Rex will have time to set on his bread and butter play action bomb to Berrian. I don't think the Bears will have a problem putting up 21+ points, but on the other hand, barring a huge effort from Alex Brown and Ogunleye, the Colts will be scoring at will as well. The moron on the radio(Cowherd?) who said this will be a boring game is an idiot, this game will have everything fans of the game love.
Yep - one of the best offenses, lead by a marquee QB against a great defense. One of the NFL's founding teams with loads of tradition. Sounds boring alright :goodposting: WTF? Is he Pats fan or a Saints fan?? Doofus.
Typical East Coast Media bias. It must be killing them that TWO midwest teams made the SB :)
 
Hairy Snowman said:
No the old dude in Tampa did. The Bears actualy only run it about 30% and not as much yesterday.
I believe his name is Monte Kipman, but I could be wrong.And the Bears run a Hybrid of the cover 2. With the speed they have at middle linebacker, and the pressure they are able to usually generate from their front 4, the Bears can run all sorts of exotic coverages the aren't usually part of a standard cover 2.

The D is better with Mike Brown also with his ability to support on the run (although I didn't see much of a fall-off last game at the SS position). When Brown and Urlacher can switch as saftey and ML, the Bears can really confuse an offense.
Actually, it was developed by all three of them.From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2 :

"The Tampa 2 is an American football defensive strategy popularized by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers National Football League (NFL) team in the 1990s-early 2000s. It was designed by then-head coach Tony Dungy, defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, and then-linebackers coach Lovie Smith.

After Dungy became head coach of the Indianapolis Colts and Smith became head coach to the Chicago Bears, they installed the Tampa 2 in their respective teams. "

 
shakeybarn said:
Manning and Co will pick that D apart. A 7 pt line is a gimme.
KC had more votes over IndySD was a gimmie to win the Super Bowl...Chicago was an overWHEMINGLY underdog to lose to the SaintsNewEngland was picked over Indy, though it got close to the end.Everyone thought Indy was a yearly fold, but finally had something to prove, vs a "regular season dominance to protec"t. Now.. they got over the hurdle.... but given the skeptics over them beating KC, then Baltimore, then the Pats.. now they are 7pt+ favorites.Nighty night... the Chicago LB corps is not the AARP-riddled Brushi-Vrabel who let Clark run rampant. They shut down the Saints #1 offense.. but stopping the running game (first, no problem), then being able to take advantage of scheme/speed/physical ability. Besides, THIS team WILL be able to run on Indy.
Hmmm. Indy was 9 pt favorites over KC and covered. They were dogs at Balt and covered. They were -3 against NE and covered. Not sure about your Nightly night theory.Oh and if NE, Balt, AND KC can't run on the Colts then why are you assuming that the Bears will be able to have success? It isn't as easy to stop Clark as your think. He is to fast for any LB in the league to cover and to big for a nickel back. On top of that, almost every team has played deep deep zones over Harrison and Wayne meaning that underneath is wide open for the Slot WR, TE, and RB. If you are going to stop the big play expect to be picked apart underneath. I wouldn't expect them to play the Colts any different then every other team, which 2 deep over marvin and reggie. Why is their D going to shut down the Colts when NE who allow less points this year than Chicago couldn't stop them? Not to mention nobody else in the NFL can stop them. Only chance is if they revert to regular season run D craptacular, which is not going to happen.
 
shakeybarn said:
Manning and Co will pick that D apart. A 7 pt line is a gimme.
KC had more votes over IndySD was a gimmie to win the Super Bowl...

Chicago was an overWHEMINGLY underdog to lose to the Saints

NewEngland was picked over Indy, though it got close to the end.

Everyone thought Indy was a yearly fold, but finally had something to prove, vs a "regular season dominance to protec"t. Now.. they got over the hurdle....

but given the skeptics over them beating KC, then Baltimore, then the Pats.. now they are 7pt+ favorites.

Nighty night... the Chicago LB corps is not the AARP-riddled Brushi-Vrabel who let Clark run rampant. They shut down the Saints #1 offense.. but stopping the running game (first, no problem), then being able to take advantage of scheme/speed/physical ability. Besides, THIS team WILL be able to run on Indy.
Hmmm. Indy was 9 pt favorites over KC and covered. They were dogs at Balt and covered. They were -3 against NE and covered. Not sure about your Nightly night theory.Oh and if NE, Balt, AND KC can't run on the Colts then why are you assuming that the Bears will be able to have success?

It isn't as easy to stop Clark as your think. He is to fast for any LB in the league to cover and to big for a nickel back. On top of that, almost every team has played deep deep zones over Harrison and Wayne meaning that underneath is wide open for the Slot WR, TE, and RB. If you are going to stop the big play expect to be picked apart underneath. I wouldn't expect them to play the Colts any different then every other team, which 2 deep over marvin and reggie.

Why is their D going to shut down the Colts when NE who allow less points this year than Chicago couldn't stop them? Not to mention nobody else in the NFL can stop them. Only chance is if they revert to regular season run D craptacular, which is not going to happen.
Think the bolded part over please.In addition, while I am not saying Bears D = Ravens D, the Ravens help them to 261 yards and 5 field goals. I consider that stopping the Colts.

 
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Oh and if NE, Balt, AND KC can't run on the Colts then why are you assuming that the Bears will be able to have success?
Simple - let's start with your premise that the Colts have "adjusted" in the playoffs. How? Simple - they moved their safeties up to defend the run more. Not a bad plan if your facing the KC WRs or the Ravens conservative offense or the Patriots: Reche "Ooops" Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney (both not good enough to crack the starting lineup on their former teams). If the Colts wish to play up and dare Bernard Berrian, Mark Bradley or Davis to beat them deep (that's not discussing Moose) - then please do. The reason the Colts have been able to stop the run is because they have played 3 teams that are run-based and conservative on offense - whose WRs are fair at best. I think, given the way Rex has hurt both the Seahawks and the Saints with long passes to Berrian, that the Colts, will likely drop their safeties back to their "usual" positions = room for TJ and Benson. Either that, or Rex will simply have guys open deep for the 3rd post season game in a row. How'd that work for the Seahawks and Saints? (27 and 39 points, I believe - do you think the Colts can score that many against the Bears defense?) Incidentally, keep in mind that Hester hasn't taken one to the house in a post season game...yet.Oh and your Dallas Clark comment - did you see the play where Urlacher was gaining on Reggie Bush? Surely your not trying ti imply that Dallas "Speedy Gonzalez" Clark is faster than Reggie Bush. I do agree with your comment though - there isn't A LB in the league that's fast enough to cover him...there are several - and two happen to play for the Bears - Briggs and Urlacher. Besides, if he does catch one, a hit from either of the afore mentioned will remind him why he shant do that a second time - assuming of course he gets another chance.
 
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Oh and if NE, Balt, AND KC can't run on the Colts then why are you assuming that the Bears will be able to have success?
Simple - let's start with your premise that the Colts have "adjusted" in the playoffs. How? Simple - they moved their safeties up to defend the run more. Not a bad plan if your facing the KC WRs or the Ravens conservative offense or the Patriots: Reche "Ooops" Caldwell and Jabar Gaffney (both not good enough to crack the starting lineup on their former teams). If the Colts wish to play up and dare Bernard Berrian, Mark Bradley or Davis to beat them deep (that's not discussing Moose) - then please do. The reason the Colts have been able to stop the run is because they have played 3 teams that are run-based and conservative on offense - whose WRs are fair at best. I think, given the way Rex has hurt both the Seahawks and the Saints with long passes to Berrian, that the Colts, will likely drop their safeties back to their "usual" positions = room for TJ and Benson. Either that, or Rex will simply have guys open deep for the 3rd post season game in a row. How'd that work for the Seahawks and Saints? (27 and 39 points, I believe - do you think the Colts can score that many against the Bears defense?) Incidentally, keep in mind that Hester hasn't taken one to the house in a post season game...yet.Oh and your Dallas Clark comment - did you see the play where Urlacher was gaining on Reggie Bush? Surely your not trying ti imply that Dallas "Speedy Gonzalez" Clark is faster than Reggie Bush. I do agree with your comment though - there isn't A LB in the league that's fast enough to cover him...there are several - and two happen to play for the Bears - Briggs and Urlacher. Besides, if he does catch one, a hit from either of the afore mentioned will remind him why he shant do that a second time - assuming of course he gets another chance.
LOL... Urlacher never gained on Reggie Bush, Reggie slowed down and pointed at him as he slowly strutted in for a touchdown. Urlacher is fast for his size, but not exactly a burner. Anyways, I like the Colts to win, in fact I'd take any of these afc playoff teams over the bears.ColtsPatriotsChargersRavensBears defense is very good against the run, but there is no way, NO WAY, they're going to slow down Wayne and Harrison... Getting Tank Johnson back is huge but the Colt's O-Line is pretty good, and Addai can help with protection. And it's really simple for the Colt's defense. Put pressure on Gross Man with freeney, let booger mcfarland gobble up the middle, play man coverage and bring Sanders in the box. Now I know you're saying surely Thomas Jones can run on this colt's defense? Yeah they could... but the Colts will get a lead and Bears will have to play catch up and then they'll throw the ball, and that is exactly what the Colts want, Gross Man throwing alot.Colts 41 Bears 13Super Bowl MVP Peyton Manning 28/38 344 yards 5 TDsThere, now you don't even have to bother watching the game :lmao:
 
Bears defense is very good against the run, but there is no way, NO WAY, they're going to slow down Wayne and Harrison... Getting Tank Johnson back is huge but the Colt's O-Line is pretty good, and Addai can help with protection. And it's really simple for the Colt's defense. Put pressure on Gross Man with freeney, let booger mcfarland gobble up the middle, play man coverage and bring Sanders in the box. Now I know you're saying surely Thomas Jones can run on this colt's defense? Yeah they could... but the Colts will get a lead and Bears will have to play catch up and then they'll throw the ball, and that is exactly what the Colts want, Gross Man throwing alot.Colts 41 Bears 13Super Bowl MVP Peyton Manning 28/38 344 yards 5 TDsThere, now you don't even have to bother watching the game :mellow:
Funny - most people were saying the same thing about the mighty Saints and the high powered MVP-Drew Brees-lead offense - and the Saints have better RBs than the Colts. Oh and Colt backers, I'm sorry, but look on the cover of SI - yep, it's #18. NOW you don't have to watch the game :unsure: :shrug:
 
If the Bears can get a couple turnovers - they'll have a shot at winning. If they can't force one turnover, they're not coming within 7 points. :unsure:

 
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DoubleG said:
matt jones said:
Bears defense is very good against the run, but there is no way, NO WAY, they're going to slow down Wayne and Harrison... Getting Tank Johnson back is huge but the Colt's O-Line is pretty good, and Addai can help with protection. And it's really simple for the Colt's defense. Put pressure on Gross Man with freeney, let booger mcfarland gobble up the middle, play man coverage and bring Sanders in the box. Now I know you're saying surely Thomas Jones can run on this colt's defense? Yeah they could... but the Colts will get a lead and Bears will have to play catch up and then they'll throw the ball, and that is exactly what the Colts want, Gross Man throwing alot.Colts 41 Bears 13Super Bowl MVP Peyton Manning 28/38 344 yards 5 TDsThere, now you don't even have to bother watching the game :coffee:
Funny - most people were saying the same thing about the mighty Saints and the high powered MVP-Drew Brees-lead offense - and the Saints have better RBs than the Colts. Oh and Colt backers, I'm sorry, but look on the cover of SI - yep, it's #18. NOW you don't have to watch the game :) :wall:
The Super Bowl is the week after Sunday, not next Sunday. I'm sure the next cover will have both teams on it - so the jinx means squat here.
 
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First - Urlacher has more than enough speed to cover Clark. This is a guy who was running 4.4 just a couple of years ago. :popcorn: So does Briggs for that matter. Funny stuff.

Just wanted to chime in - I think the Bears got a little more motivaton from the NY Times yesterday with the picture of Grossman on the back cover and the headline Da Worst - if this is going to be the media build-up to the game the Bears defense really is going to kill Manning. :brush: very motivated. upset. the dreaded ~ disrespected....... :sleep:

Just my :sadbanana:

 
Manning and Co will pick that D apart. A 7 pt line is a gimme.
KC had more votes over IndySD was a gimmie to win the Super Bowl...Chicago was an overWHEMINGLY underdog to lose to the SaintsNewEngland was picked over Indy, though it got close to the end.Everyone thought Indy was a yearly fold, but finally had something to prove, vs a "regular season dominance to protec"t. Now.. they got over the hurdle.... but given the skeptics over them beating KC, then Baltimore, then the Pats.. now they are 7pt+ favorites.Nighty night... the Chicago LB corps is not the AARP-riddled Brushi-Vrabel who let Clark run rampant. They shut down the Saints #1 offense.. but stopping the running game (first, no problem), then being able to take advantage of scheme/speed/physical ability. Besides, THIS team WILL be able to run on Indy.
Hmmm. Indy was 9 pt favorites over KC and covered. They were dogs at Balt and covered. They were -3 against NE and covered. Not sure about your Nightly night theory.Oh and if NE, Balt, AND KC can't run on the Colts then why are you assuming that the Bears will be able to have success? It isn't as easy to stop Clark as your think. He is to fast for any LB in the league to cover and to big for a nickel back. On top of that, almost every team has played deep deep zones over Harrison and Wayne meaning that underneath is wide open for the Slot WR, TE, and RB. If you are going to stop the big play expect to be picked apart underneath. I wouldn't expect them to play the Colts any different then every other team, which 2 deep over marvin and reggie. Why is their D going to shut down the Colts when NE who allow less points this year than Chicago couldn't stop them? Not to mention nobody else in the NFL can stop them. Only chance is if they revert to regular season run D craptacular, which is not going to happen.
Well obviously Bruschi and Vrabel got really old the week before the Colts played the Pats! :thumbup: And where he get his data for Chiefs over Colts and NE over Colts? I pray he wasn't referring to the ESPN figureheads!
 
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So, let me get a few things straight...

The Bears will kill Manning even though in 4 games in January, the Colts allowed a total of 5 sacks?! Maybe the Bears are that much better on defense than the Ravens and Patriots?

And, Dallas Clark who has 17 receptions and 281 yards receiving in the playoff is going to get shut down by Urlacher and/or Briggs? Got it.

And the Bears have the DBs to cover Harrison and Wayne in man coverage. Check!

And the Bears RBs are much better than the Colts RBs. I mean since Addai and Rhodes had 2298 yards from scrimmage and 13 TDs

vs. Jones/Benson who had 2065/12. I can see where this logic comes from.

And, since Grossman, with 5 less INTs has only managed to have a higher QB rating than Manning by less than 10 points, he is going to sit back, relax and toss 50 yard bombs against the Colts. Makes sense.

I'm glad all of this makes sense. Someone needs to contact Las Vegas right away to let them in on this info!

 
First - Urlacher has more than enough speed to cover Clark. This is a guy who was running 4.4 just a couple of years ago. :thumbup: So does Briggs for that matter. Funny stuff.

Just wanted to chime in - I think the Bears got a little more motivaton from the NY Times yesterday with the picture of Grossman on the back cover and the headline Da Worst - if this is going to be the media build-up to the game the Bears defense really is going to kill Manning. :D very motivated. upset. the dreaded ~ disrespected....... :yes:

Just my :fishing:
The Indy Star had an article in the paper from the Chicago Free Press I think with the title something along the lines of "The Bears are happy they are playing the Colts not Pats." Media coverage goes both ways.
 
So, let me get a few things straight...The Bears will kill Manning even though in 4 games in January, the Colts allowed a total of 5 sacks?! Maybe the Bears are that much better on defense than the Ravens and Patriots?And, Dallas Clark who has 17 receptions and 281 yards receiving in the playoff is going to get shut down by Urlacher and/or Briggs? Got it.And the Bears have the DBs to cover Harrison and Wayne in man coverage. Check!And the Bears RBs are much better than the Colts RBs. I mean since Addai and Rhodes had 2298 yards from scrimmage and 13 TDsvs. Jones/Benson who had 2065/12. I can see where this logic comes from.And, since Grossman, with 5 less INTs has only managed to have a higher QB rating than Manning by less than 10 points, he is going to sit back, relax and toss 50 yard bombs against the Colts. Makes sense.I'm glad all of this makes sense. Someone needs to contact Las Vegas right away to let them in on this info!
Colts are overrated. Peyton won't get sacked, but he'll toss some up to pick. And yes the Bears corners can cover those receivers one on one. Especially the second biggest playoff choker Starvin Marvin.
 
So, let me get a few things straight...The Bears will kill Manning even though in 4 games in January, the Colts allowed a total of 5 sacks?! Maybe the Bears are that much better on defense than the Ravens and Patriots?And, Dallas Clark who has 17 receptions and 281 yards receiving in the playoff is going to get shut down by Urlacher and/or Briggs? Got it.And the Bears have the DBs to cover Harrison and Wayne in man coverage. Check!And the Bears RBs are much better than the Colts RBs. I mean since Addai and Rhodes had 2298 yards from scrimmage and 13 TDsvs. Jones/Benson who had 2065/12. I can see where this logic comes from.And, since Grossman, with 5 less INTs has only managed to have a higher QB rating than Manning by less than 10 points, he is going to sit back, relax and toss 50 yard bombs against the Colts. Makes sense.I'm glad all of this makes sense. Someone needs to contact Las Vegas right away to let them in on this info!
Colts are overrated. Peyton won't get sacked, but he'll toss some up to pick. And yes the Bears corners can cover those receivers one on one. Especially the second biggest playoff choker Starvin Marvin.
Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and I pray that Lovie follows your way of thinking! :thumbup:
 
So, let me get a few things straight...The Bears will kill Manning even though in 4 games in January, the Colts allowed a total of 5 sacks?! Maybe the Bears are that much better on defense than the Ravens and Patriots?And, Dallas Clark who has 17 receptions and 281 yards receiving in the playoff is going to get shut down by Urlacher and/or Briggs? Got it.And the Bears have the DBs to cover Harrison and Wayne in man coverage. Check!And the Bears RBs are much better than the Colts RBs. I mean since Addai and Rhodes had 2298 yards from scrimmage and 13 TDsvs. Jones/Benson who had 2065/12. I can see where this logic comes from.And, since Grossman, with 5 less INTs has only managed to have a higher QB rating than Manning by less than 10 points, he is going to sit back, relax and toss 50 yard bombs against the Colts. Makes sense.I'm glad all of this makes sense. Someone needs to contact Las Vegas right away to let them in on this info!
Colts are overrated. Peyton won't get sacked, but he'll toss some up to pick. And yes the Bears corners can cover those receivers one on one. Especially the second biggest playoff choker Starvin Marvin.
2/4 can't get here soon enough for me. Enough with all this babbling.
 
Colts are overrated. Peyton won't get sacked, but he'll toss some up to pick. And yes the Bears corners can cover those receivers one on one. Especially the second biggest playoff choker Starvin Marvin.
:unsure: & I'm a Bears fan...If you want to talk smack you're gonna have to do better than this. :popcorn:
 
JohnnyU said:
So, let me get a few things straight...The Bears will kill Manning even though in 4 games in January, the Colts allowed a total of 5 sacks?! Maybe the Bears are that much better on defense than the Ravens and Patriots?And, Dallas Clark who has 17 receptions and 281 yards receiving in the playoff is going to get shut down by Urlacher and/or Briggs? Got it.And the Bears have the DBs to cover Harrison and Wayne in man coverage. Check!And the Bears RBs are much better than the Colts RBs. I mean since Addai and Rhodes had 2298 yards from scrimmage and 13 TDsvs. Jones/Benson who had 2065/12. I can see where this logic comes from.And, since Grossman, with 5 less INTs has only managed to have a higher QB rating than Manning by less than 10 points, he is going to sit back, relax and toss 50 yard bombs against the Colts. Makes sense.I'm glad all of this makes sense. Someone needs to contact Las Vegas right away to let them in on this info!
Colts are overrated. Peyton won't get sacked, but he'll toss some up to pick. And yes the Bears corners can cover those receivers one on one. Especially the second biggest playoff choker Starvin Marvin.
2/4 can't get here soon enough for me. Enough with all this babbling.
:jawdrop: Been following along but trying not to post. I just want to get it going
 
RBM said:
:jawdrop: Been following along but trying not to post. I just want to get it going
Yep, pretty much.
:) I know Notting! (best Col. Klink)Don't know how the Bears plan on covering Harrison and Wayne and Clark. Personally I think Manning and Co are probably going to roll my beloved Bears. Can't believe they are even playing the game it such a mismatch. :lmao: :) Offense puts people in the seats, but defense wins championships. Can't wait.And in response to Bears prefer Colts to NE - last time these teams played the Colts ran up the score on the Bears at Soldier Field. 41 + points - Edge had something like 200 yards rushing.I don't think you understand WHY the Bears wanted the Colts. I'm telling you this team has not forgotten. It really is personal. Add on the insults this team has been peppered with this past week and.........well, lets just say its on. Peyton better hope the middle opens up the way he thinks it will (and I'd be willing to bet he does think the middle will open up when the Colts run their delay draw/fake delay draw play to compliment the TE middle crossing).Can't wait for this game.
 
Peyton better hope the middle opens up the way he thinks it will (and I'd be willing to bet he does think the middle will open up when the Colts run their delay draw/fake delay draw play to compliment the TE middle crossing).Can't wait for this game.
I'm not sure if the middle will be open, but I do know the Colts DBs arms will open up for some of those Grossman ducks.
 
Peyton better hope the middle opens up the way he thinks it will (and I'd be willing to bet he does think the middle will open up when the Colts run their delay draw/fake delay draw play to compliment the TE middle crossing).Can't wait for this game.
I'm not sure if the middle will be open, but I do know the Colts DBs arms will open up for some of those Grossman ducks.
You mean like the one and only Int he has thrown in the playoffs ( the one that wasn't his fault?? The one that Moose should have caught???)I wonder how many Int's Manning will throw this game??? Since he ONLY has 6 so far in the Playoffs.Guess this is gonna be a toss up. :popcorn:
 
Starting to sink in now. Seeing all the tv shows on their Super Bowl sets out in Miami. Seeing the good guys get off the plane yesterday, arrive at the hotel. Time to finish our business. Super Bowl week is here.

Unreal

 
I am much more of a Bears fan than the Colts, but The Bears better pray for wind and some rain. The Bears D is simply not nearly the unit it was before Tommie Harris went down. Yes, they did a good job against NO, but I would argue that the weather had a huge impact on the offense and honestly they played about as bad an offensive game as they have played all year and I think the weather had as much to do with it as anything else. if the weather is nice, Manning will be able to pick apart a mediocre secondary. The Bears haven't seen anything even close to the precision passing team Indy can be and they have a good threat to run as well.

if Indy jumps out to a 2 score lead this game could get very ugly. The Bears MUST keep it close.

If the weather is raining and windy the Bears have chance, but if the weather is nice, Indy will win fairly easily IMO.

 
Yes, they did a good job against NO, but I would argue that the weather had a huge impact on the offense and honestly they played about as bad an offensive game as they have played all year and I think the weather had as much to do with it as anything else.
Can you be more specific about how the weather impacted that game so much? Frankly, I didnt see it. Just looked like a really good D putting the clamps on a really good O
 
Yes, they did a good job against NO, but I would argue that the weather had a huge impact on the offense and honestly they played about as bad an offensive game as they have played all year and I think the weather had as much to do with it as anything else.
Can you be more specific about how the weather impacted that game so much? Frankly, I didnt see it. Just looked like a really good D putting the clamps on a really good O
As someone who was at the NFC Championship game, I'd like to comment on how the weather impacted the game. It didn't. Yes, it was flurrying in the second half. But the footing on the field looked to be good - there was virtually no wind and it wasn't even that cold (upper 20's with windchills in the upper teens/low 20's...which, for Chicago in late January is almost tropical.) A few minor points:- There were many posters who felt that bad weather didn't necessarily benefit the Bears that much anyway. Keep in mind, the Bears defense is built around team speed - which is one of the key problems in a wet/sloppy field. It also hurts the long passing game - which is something Grossman (when on his game) is known for.- Secondly, related to the above, both teams had to play in it (whatever "it" was)- Third, as a Bears fan, I hope the weather in Miami is clear, calm and dry...so the Bear haters won't have any excuses when the Bears win, even though they're not "supposed to"...again.
 
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Peyton better hope the middle opens up the way he thinks it will (and I'd be willing to bet he does think the middle will open up when the Colts run their delay draw/fake delay draw play to compliment the TE middle crossing).Can't wait for this game.
I'm not sure if the middle will be open, but I do know the Colts DBs arms will open up for some of those Grossman ducks.
Personally more concerned with your saftey than the DBs -Anyone know Indy's record this year when they failed to top 100 yards rushing......
 
If the Bears can get a couple turnovers - they'll have a shot at winning. If they can't force one turnover, they're not coming within 7 points. :thumbup:
With Peyton at QB that shouldn't be a problem.
:bag: That same Peyton that has multiple interceptions in a third of his career playoff games including 6 picks thrown in three playoff games this year.Anyways, the Bears are the better team overall and probably will prove that on Sunday. If that means Peyton throws three picks like he did against Kansas City, it will still be because the Bears are the better team. But even if the Bears have no turnovers, they are still the better team and probably win.It just amazes me that those that watch this Colts team have thoughts that they are a clearly superior team. Their quarterback has 14 picks in 12 career playoff starts and 2 per game this year. Their superior pass rushing defensive ends who apparently will destroy the Bears passing game on their own have 15 sacks between them on the year and only 3.5 in the three post season games. Their suddenly stout defense only stopped the dysfunctional Chiefs and sub par Ravens offense. When they played a pretty decent offense, they gave up 319 yards and 34 points. True, they did stop the run in all of those games. But it is also true that all of those offenses have struggled to stretch the field all year and allowed the Colts safeties to play up without much fear. Not to mention a special teams coverage unit that has been woeful in both phases for most of the year including over 30 yards per on 7 kick returns by Hobbs and 13 yards per on three punt returns by Troy Brown last week. This team lost to the Titans, Cowboys, Jaguars, and Texans while also being held under 20 points in 6 out of 19 games.I am not saying the Colts are a bad team. They are in the Super Bowl for a reason and they deserve to be there. I just don't see how they are seen as a great team capable of beating a very good Bears team easily.
 
Yes, they did a good job against NO, but I would argue that the weather had a huge impact on the offense and honestly they played about as bad an offensive game as they have played all year and I think the weather had as much to do with it as anything else.
Can you be more specific about how the weather impacted that game so much? Frankly, I didnt see it. Just looked like a really good D putting the clamps on a really good O
:coffee: Before the game, Bears haters were saying the weather wouldn't be a major factor. But I guess since we won, it must have been a major factor. The mild winter weather made the Bears force fumbles and pressure Brees all day. Because, you know, they never do stuff like that in warm weather.
 
Yes, they did a good job against NO, but I would argue that the weather had a huge impact on the offense and honestly they played about as bad an offensive game as they have played all year and I think the weather had as much to do with it as anything else.
Can you be more specific about how the weather impacted that game so much? Frankly, I didnt see it. Just looked like a really good D putting the clamps on a really good O
:lmao: Before the game, Bears haters were saying the weather wouldn't be a major factor. But I guess since we won, it must have been a major factor. The mild winter weather made the Bears force fumbles and pressure Brees all day. Because, you know, they never do stuff like that in warm weather.
:lmao: I nearly bumped the weather thread from that game just for some good humor. I'm sure it would turn into something other than that though. If anything, the bad footing that there seemed to be on the field would benefit the offensive players because they know where they are going. The defensive players have to react to that.
 
Offense puts people in the seats, but defense wins championships.
That is what I'm kind of concerned about as a Bears fan. I think the Indy D is really being overlooked here. Stats don't lie and the Indy D has outplayed the Bears in the post season thus far. A big key will be Taits ability to stop Freeney. Will speed beat size? The Indy's pass D is really under rated and has been solid all year, and their poor run D looks shored up so far. What is also amazing is that Indy has gotten this far with Manning playing awful. If he continues the trend and has a pick filled Super Bowl the Bears will win easily, but if he nuts up and actually plays to his capabilities it will be a tough game. Since both teams play cover 2 and Manning sees that D every practice, I don't see how the Bears can confuse him. This is Manning's game to lose, and the pressure will be intense on him. The people thinking this will be a boring game are crazy. A lot of really interesting match-ups and they are the 2 best teams in the NFL this year.
 
The reason the Colts have been able to stop the run is because they have played 3 teams that are run-based and conservative on offense - whose WRs are fair at best.
The Colts have been able to stop the run?In the AFC title game: Corey Dillon 6.9 ypcKevin Faulk 6.8 ypcThey Colts run defense was horrible. The Patriots really didn't run the ball that much.In the Ravens-Colts playoff game:Jamal Lewis 4.1 ypcMike Anderson 4.5 ypcThey didn't stop the Ravens either. The Ravens just didn't have many attempts. They trailed the entire game.In the Chiefs-Colts game:Larry Johnson 2.5 ypcThey stuffed him no question.I see absolutely no reason for the Bears to do anything else except run the ball down the Colts' throats. The Colts stink at run defense.
 
The reason the Colts have been able to stop the run is because they have played 3 teams that are run-based and conservative on offense - whose WRs are fair at best.
The Colts have been able to stop the run?In the AFC title game:

Corey Dillon 6.9 ypc

Kevin Faulk 6.8 ypc

They Colts run defense was horrible. The Patriots really didn't run the ball that much.

In the Ravens-Colts playoff game:

Jamal Lewis 4.1 ypc

Mike Anderson 4.5 ypc

They didn't stop the Ravens either. The Ravens just didn't have many attempts. They trailed the entire game.

In the Chiefs-Colts game:

Larry Johnson 2.5 ypc

They stuffed him no question.

I see absolutely no reason for the Bears to do anything else except run the ball down the Colts' throats. The Colts stink at run defense.
Yes, the Colts have stopped the run. you can't take averages to paint the complete picture. If you've missed the games, the Colts have held each team under 100 YPG.Why teams went away from the run is obviously due to poor RB-first coaches like Herm Edwards, Brian Billick, and Bill Belichick. :rolleyes:

The Colts will give up 125 yards rushing in this game and will win because Lovie will stick to the run like you suggest.

 
The reason the Colts have been able to stop the run is because they have played 3 teams that are run-based and conservative on offense - whose WRs are fair at best.
The Colts have been able to stop the run?In the AFC title game:

Corey Dillon 6.9 ypc

Kevin Faulk 6.8 ypc

They Colts run defense was horrible. The Patriots really didn't run the ball that much.

In the Ravens-Colts playoff game:

Jamal Lewis 4.1 ypc

Mike Anderson 4.5 ypc

They didn't stop the Ravens either. The Ravens just didn't have many attempts. They trailed the entire game.

In the Chiefs-Colts game:

Larry Johnson 2.5 ypc

They stuffed him no question.

I see absolutely no reason for the Bears to do anything else except run the ball down the Colts' throats. The Colts stink at run defense.
Yes, the Colts have stopped the run. you can't take averages to paint the complete picture. If you've missed the games, the Colts have held each team under 100 YPG.Why teams went away from the run is obviously due to poor RB-first coaches like Herm Edwards, Brian Billick, and Bill Belichick. :shrug:

The Colts will give up 125 yards rushing in this game and will win because Lovie will stick to the run like you suggest.
Really averages are a great way to measure rush defenses. WAAAAAY better than yards. An offense can simply stop rushing the football, but that doesn't mean the rushing game wasn't effective.16 of the Patriots last 17 plays were passes. You can't say they stopped the run when the Patriots weren't running.

 
The people thinking this will be a boring game are crazy.
I think the problem here is:1. People are tired of the Manning story.2. The Colts have kinda been dismissed for some time heading into the playoffs anyway.3. The Bears have been dismissed for a long time. No one considered them a title contender with Grossman at the helm. And even if they did go (which has happened) the NFC was looked at as garbage anyway).No hype at all for this one.This feel for this Super Bowl reminds of Titans-Rams. The 99 Rams never got any respect whatsoever, as the pundits hammered the angle that the Rams had an extremely weak schedule. A lot of people thought the Bucs would knock them out of the NFC title game. The Titans were an afterthought in the AFC because they were a wild card and everyone expected the 14-2 Jaguars to be there instead. That was the Jagars team that made the "Super Bowl shuffle" video.
 
The people thinking this will be a boring game are crazy.
I think the problem here is:1. People are tired of the Manning story.2. The Colts have kinda been dismissed for some time heading into the playoffs anyway.3. The Bears have been dismissed for a long time. No one considered them a title contender with Grossman at the helm. And even if they did go (which has happened) the NFC was looked at as garbage anyway).No hype at all for this one.This feel for this Super Bowl reminds of Titans-Rams. The 99 Rams never got any respect whatsoever, as the pundits hammered the angle that the Rams had an extremely weak schedule. A lot of people thought the Bucs would knock them out of the NFC title game. The Titans were an afterthought in the AFC because they were a wild card and everyone expected the 14-2 Jaguars to be there instead. That was the Jagars team that made the "Super Bowl shuffle" video.
That was one of the most exciting Super Bowls in recent memory for me. I've never been a fan of hype Bowls as they usually never live up to it. In fact, the two weeks between are majorly boring as the media hypes it up. It's sour grapes, there is a 12-4 team vs. a 13-3 team. 2 teams that are historic franchises who haven't been there in a long time. Only 1 other team in the entire NFL had a better record, and SD choked. No team backed in this year. All I saw this year in the NFL was a bunch of mediocre teams and 8 good teams, 2 of which made it. Maybe the NFL is boring?
 
I wonder how much more hype there would be if the Bears defense had played late in the year like they did early...seems that took something away from the hype to me. A lot are dismissing the Bears for that reason.

 
BGP said:
The people thinking this will be a boring game are crazy.
I think the problem here is:1. People are tired of the Manning story.2. The Colts have kinda been dismissed for some time heading into the playoffs anyway.3. The Bears have been dismissed for a long time. No one considered them a title contender with Grossman at the helm. And even if they did go (which has happened) the NFC was looked at as garbage anyway).
I really disagree with this. 1. People are not tired of Manning. The general public can not get enough of this guy! He is the most recognizable player in the NFL for a reason and the fact that he has the "can't win the big one" lable only makes this even more fun for the media. THis is worse than when Elway was back in the SB and all that "win this for John" BS. 2. The Colts have been preseason favorites to win the SB for nearly 4 years now. I recall making comments this past off season about how boring it has become to see Indy vs. Car in the SB predictions. Indy far more than Car.3. Can't really argue this point. The NFL has sucked the past several years. I think Chi gets respect in the NFC but overall that is dwarfed by the lack of respect for the NFC as a whole.
 
The people thinking this will be a boring game are crazy.
I think the problem here is:1. People are tired of the Manning story.

2. The Colts have kinda been dismissed for some time heading into the playoffs anyway.

3. The Bears have been dismissed for a long time. No one considered them a title contender with Grossman at the helm. And even if they did go (which has happened) the NFC was looked at as garbage anyway).
I really disagree with this. 1. People are not tired of Manning. The general public can not get enough of this guy! He is the most recognizable player in the NFL for a reason and the fact that he has the "can't win the big one" lable only makes this even more fun for the media. THis is worse than when Elway was back in the SB and all that "win this for John" BS.

2. The Colts have been preseason favorites to win the SB for nearly 4 years now. I recall making comments this past off season about how boring it has become to see Indy vs. Car in the SB predictions. Indy far more than Car.

3. Can't really argue this point. The NFL has sucked the past several years. I think Chi gets respect in the NFC but overall that is dwarfed by the lack of respect for the NFC as a whole.
I'm not referring to pre-season picks. By the time the playoffs rolled around, the Colts were an afterhtought and the hype was around the Chargers. The hype was around how McNair had been the missing piece for the Ravens. The Colts were seen as a team falling apart.
 
Manning and Co will pick that D apart. A 7 pt line is a gimme.
KC had more votes over IndySD was a gimmie to win the Super Bowl...Chicago was an overWHEMINGLY underdog to lose to the SaintsNewEngland was picked over Indy, though it got close to the end.Everyone thought Indy was a yearly fold, but finally had something to prove, vs a "regular season dominance to protec"t. Now.. they got over the hurdle.... but given the skeptics over them beating KC, then Baltimore, then the Pats.. now they are 7pt+ favorites.Nighty night... the Chicago LB corps is not the AARP-riddled Brushi-Vrabel who let Clark run rampant. They shut down the Saints #1 offense.. but stopping the running game (first, no problem), then being able to take advantage of scheme/speed/physical ability. Besides, THIS team WILL be able to run on Indy.
Hmmm. Indy was 9 pt favorites over KC and covered. They were dogs at Balt and covered. They were -3 against NE and covered. Not sure about your Nightly night theory.Oh and if NE, Balt, AND KC can't run on the Colts then why are you assuming that the Bears will be able to have success? It isn't as easy to stop Clark as your think. He is to fast for any LB in the league to cover and to big for a nickel back. On top of that, almost every team has played deep deep zones over Harrison and Wayne meaning that underneath is wide open for the Slot WR, TE, and RB. If you are going to stop the big play expect to be picked apart underneath. I wouldn't expect them to play the Colts any different then every other team, which 2 deep over marvin and reggie. Why is their D going to shut down the Colts when NE who allow less points this year than Chicago couldn't stop them? Not to mention nobody else in the NFL can stop them. Only chance is if they revert to regular season run D craptacular, which is not going to happen.
Screw the spreads... look at the polls here on this board from so-called football experts.Even F'Guys have Desmond Clark putting up bigger numbers than Clark... nuff said.Didn't say the D was going to shut down the Colts. But the Saints score as much as the Colts... and the Bears D did well enough vs them. As well, this ain't on turf, in the dome, at home.>>Not to mention nobody else in the NFL can stop them. Now I know you are just a homer. Baltimore kept them out of the end zone... the D shut down a team that has averaged 26-27 over the last 3 years, IMHO. The Colt running game was limited to 2.9 a carry, and kept out of the endzone... and Peyton threw two picks, and was kept out of the endzone... much less the unstoppable 170 yards he threw for. 4 turnovers by the Ravens is what won it... this offense is stoppable... and a sane mind would have to say the Baltimore D and Chicago D are of the same ilk. Conincidentally, the Baltimore running game was 4.2 a carry... but Coach Brian managed his way out of the game thru McNair.Now the intangible... I've noticed the Colts got over the hump this year, when expectations were low... not the let down of last year or the year before. This board had more ppl picking KC than Indy...and likewise the media treated this game as a 50/50. The Raven game... somewhat similar, but in favor of Indy, but nothing to write home about. Then they had their backs against the wall vs NWE, getting the monkey off their back et al. Now the pressure is back on Manning... this time he won't be afforded 4 turnovers, or a woozy Trent Green. Me thinks this one is closer than most expect.
 
This thread... and Indy fans remind me of Saints fans in that thread... very very very few ppl would even hear one iota of a reason why the Saints may not win the game.

 
What I find particularly strange about this game is the fact that nobody seems to be talking about the Chi O and how well they have played the last several weeks. This is of course in addidtion to their special teams. The bottom line is that Chi has been putting points ont he board and in bunches. Here are their last 6 meaningfull game point totals:

23

42

34

26

27

39

Everyone seems to be convinced that Chi has no chance if they can't slow down the Indy O. Well, when you are scoring like this you still have a chance.

 
What I find particularly strange about this game is the fact that nobody seems to be talking about the Chi O and how well they have played the last several weeks. This is of course in addidtion to their special teams. The bottom line is that Chi has been putting points ont he board and in bunches. Here are their last 6 meaningfull game point totals:234234262739Everyone seems to be convinced that Chi has no chance if they can't slow down the Indy O. Well, when you are scoring like this you still have a chance.
:goodposting: But I said this last week...
The main difference is that, despite the much-maligned Rex Grossman, the Chicago Bears were SECOND in the NFL in scoring. Second! They put up a ton of points. They also hung 27 on the Seahawks and 39 on the Saints.
 
This thread... and Indy fans remind me of Saints fans in that thread... very very very few ppl would even hear one iota of a reason why the Saints may not win the game.
It was bad but not as bad as Steelers fans are about their team lol.
 
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