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Meanwhile: Belichick with some hard-hitting analysis for the media
God I love having this guy as a coach
God I love having this guy as a coach 
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***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter East Coast Bias
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Think this will be the bread n butter, but I bet they take there shots at Mills.
Hogan has been awful sleepy lately...
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
As ive stated many times Shaugnessy is a db and does this every year with every opponent, he is a basketball guy who writes hey look at me NE columns for clicks.
I felt all year if NE made the SB it would most certainly be almost like a road game but I have been surprised with how much Philly is apparently disliked primarily because of their fans. I was watching inside the NFL last week and the question was posed whos fans are more obnoxious NE or Philly; I expected a split but all 4 said Philly. I never really knew or thought this. Right or wrong it seems many of the Minny fans are furious with the way some of their fans and team were treated in the nfccc and that may well be apparent during the game. While I still think the crowd will favor Philly it will likely be close enough where it won't matter all that much. Not that I thought it would make a huge difference either way, but every little bit helps and with Phillys home road disparity compared to NEs im glad the crowd (likely) won't overwhelmingly favor Philly. Could be wrong; we shall see.
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Only with one particular referee crew. (Don't remember the particular ref). But games are notoriously lopsided in flags when he does an Eagles game. He's not a fan of Philly for some reason. Otherwise, I don't remember any referee-blaming. Although when the Pats are playing, all that goes out the window. Officials seem to be intimidated by Belichick.
Some of these Eagles fans are a curious bunch.... talk football and they get cranky saying to stop nerding up the thread and we should just be having fun and talking smack.... have fun / talk smack and they get butthurt/defensive. I don't think some of these guys know WHAT they want
Either way... I figure Brady and Belichick are walking away with 8 Superbowl appearances in 17 years, with either 5 or 6 wins. I hope it's 6, but I wouldn't be ashamed of 5. This is a solid Eagles squad. I look forward to a good clean game with no injuries.
I will ask, Can someone give me a heads up... I've not been in many Eagles game threads this year. Are there any hardcore "ref whiners" among the Eagles faithful in here? Just wanna brace for the inevitable and know who take seriously and who to write off as noise. TIA
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Well lucky you guys have some home-cooking in Steratore who apparently statistically favors Philly (like 85% ATS, according to some stats posted up-thread).
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With our league MVP quarterback on IR, I'll take all the help we can get. This one should be a bloodbath.Well lucky you guys have some home-cooking in Steratore who apparently statistically favors Philly (like 85% ATS, according to some stats posted up-thread).
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You guys should be happy!
Foles is apparently better than Wentz! He's throwing for a higher completion percentage, passer rating, Yards per attempt, TD/INT ratio in the postseason than Wentz did in the regular season. Wentz going down and getting Foles is a blessing in disguise!
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Amused to Death
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While I know you're being facetious, there may be a small element of truth in your statement. Foles' resurgence in the playoffs could come from Pederson reaching back into Chip Kelly's playbook - where Foles had his breakout season. Coming in for Wentz, teams weren't prepared for that. I think during the playoff bye-week, Pederson, Reich, and Foles changed the offense to play to Nick's strengths. So preparing for the SB, the Pats may have to review both the Eagles' 2017 and 2013 offense. Certainly not discounting BB's ability to do so, but could be more challenging than preparing for Wentz.You guys should be happy!
Foles is apparently better than Wentz! He's throwing for a higher completion percentage, passer rating, Yards per attempt, TD/INT ratio in the postseason than Wentz did in the regular season. Wentz going down and getting Foles is a blessing in disguise!
Bossman
Footballguy
I know Foles has been playing well these past 4 games .... but I really hope he doesn't make mud in his pants Sunday.
If he reverts back to his old self, throwing pick 6's and such, there's nothing worse than a 4 hour, one sided SB, that's over before halftime.
Lord knows NE won't be concerned about running up the score if they get the chance. If this goes very bad for PHI, NE could make the "over" all by themselves.
If he reverts back to his old self, throwing pick 6's and such, there's nothing worse than a 4 hour, one sided SB, that's over before halftime.
Lord knows NE won't be concerned about running up the score if they get the chance. If this goes very bad for PHI, NE could make the "over" all by themselves.
So Philly has the #1 and #2 QB in the league? That hardly seems fair.You guys should be happy!
Foles is apparently better than Wentz! He's throwing for a higher completion percentage, passer rating, Yards per attempt, TD/INT ratio in the postseason than Wentz did in the regular season. Wentz going down and getting Foles is a blessing in disguise!
Snotbubbles
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That's what I think will probably happen. This Eagles team was picked to go 8-8 for a reason. And that was with Wentz. Foles had one fluky year with Chip Kelly before the league saw tape and then he was demoted from starter on the Rams. No one wanted him after last season. I'm just hoping this team can manage a late field goal to at least be able to say they scored in a Super Bowl. That will be a good jumping off point for next season.
Prediction: 49-3 New England. Hoyer comes in and plays most of the second half and the Pats still march up and down the field with ease on this over-rated defense.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
This is the sense I'm getting from all the national media as well. 2017 - it was a run.
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
You've got to be kidding me, if you think the crowd will matter in the Super Bowl, whatsoever.
And the article you guys are referencing isn't that bad, really. Click-bait or not, the clock management stuff with Pederson is spot on and hard to argue.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Most analysis on Foles seems to be using the MIN game as his ceiling and the week 15/16/17 games as his floor. Judging his performance and formulating an opinion on his play from the last three weeks of the season is a mistake. While I absolutely believe the MIN game to be his ceiling.......people are going to find out that those three games at the end of the season were, in a sense, pre-season games for him.
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And knowing they had things pretty much wrapped up, Pederson was smart enough not to show a whole lot of wrinkles offensively. As you could see in the playoffs, he was keeping a lot in the bag.
Thunderlips
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"Thus far in the playoffs, the Pats have lost 47 yards on five penalties, while their two opponents have lost a combined 160 yards on 16 flags. And four of the five accepted penalties against New England have come on punts or kickoffs, meaning the Patriots have lost ground on down and distance just once all month."Maggot Brain said:
Nice.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Kendricks is my pick for the unsung MVP. If they win, he'll be a big part of limiting Lewis and White.
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I know right ?!JuniorNB said:
Meanwhile New England is stuck without our number one, and number two wide receiver, couple of our best defense of players, and an over the hill system quarterback... All against home cooking Philadelphia Ref.
I know that’s why my money is on Philadelphia, at least!
Thunderlips
Footballguy
:vinscully: And here come the excuses!I know right ?!
Meanwhile New England is stuck without our number one, and number two wide receiver, couple of our best defense of players, and an over the hill system quarterback... All against home cooking Philadelphia Ref.
I know that’s why my money is on Philadelphia, at least!
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I won't deny that the field and booth zebras have given the Pats quite a few breaks. A lot of that is explained by 1) having Brady, who similar to Michael Jordan, has a different set of rules and plays called in his favor as a face of the league, 2) the Patriots being a better coached and disciplined team, and 3) having a zillion more home games in the playoffs than anyone else (and thus benefiting from some home cooking).Maggot Brain said:
I have watched all the Patriot playoff games and while on occasion there were some times when NE should have been called for something, I don't remember many horrible oversights. In the most recent Jags game, the flags against JAX seemed pretty clear cut except for the first pass interference call. The Pats should have been called for a defensive holding call on Mercedes Lewis on a passing play. And there was border line holding on the last Lewis run to net a first down and end the game. IMO, I am not totally convinced Dion Lewis lost the ball on the fumble call (I would guess if they called him down initially, I don't thing they would have reversed it on a challenge) and as far as I can tell Jacks was down by contact (and thus was not going to get up and score a TD). Not sure the Jags game should be the poster child for how the Patriots benefited greatly from the refs. I didn't see other glaring atrocities, unless somehow there is an unwritten rule that both teams should have an equal number of penalty calls.
Thunderlips
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Painting the black in baseball......
A great pitcher and a good framing catcher are going to be able to push the envelope and eventually get calls off the plate that other pitchers don't get. It then becomes a little bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Plus.....they A: (except for Gronk WWEing that guy) don't ever really seem to commit those brainfart or blatant penalties and B: they don't seem to string penalties together like other teams occassionaly do.
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It’s a joke in reference to upthread stuff... when you bat .850 inthe postseason you don’t need excuses
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He naps at halftime.Did you guys know Brady is 40 years old? Man I wonder if he can make it through the game without a nap. Or without injury
And gets “handwork” from that Guerrro Guy... Not sure what that means.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I know it's a joke.It’s a joke in reference to upthread stuff... when you bat .850 inthe postseason you don’t need excuses
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NE_REVIVAL
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Oy, with all due respect to Monson if you watch the play you see bouye with his left hand and body riding him Cooks ob and that is fine, great coverage and there would be no penalty for that. However as they reach and pass the 15yd line (fwiw Cooks looks like he might be getting a 1/2 step ahead), bouye then reaches his right arm across the front of Cooks body and puts his hand on Cooks left chest/shoulder. It was a slight touch/push but the ref is 5 yds away staring at them, sees the arm and calls the penalty as most any ref would. Doesn't matter that Bouye didn't need to do it and Cooks wasn't getting to that ball, all that matter is the ref saw him reach across Cooks body and put his hand on his chest and that is going to draw a flag just about every time. But its the Patriots so it is an earth shattering call. According to Max Kellerman it is why the jags lost the game, never mind it was a 2nd quarter call and the jags who still led by 4 then outscored NE 6-0 over the next 22 mins of play. How many penalties were the Jags called for in the 2nd half when they had a 10 point lead? I remember 1 that was a blatant headlock a db put on a pats receiver. Why don't Kellerman and his ilk talk about the Jags penalty that occurred on the drive immediately proceeding the questionable jags penalty on Cooks? It was the one where the jags would have had a 1st down at the pats 32yd line already leading 14-3. Except those cheaten Pats and conspiring refs forced the jags into a stupid delay of game penalty coming out of a timeout! Man those jags just couldn't get a break, 5 penalties and even one in the second half when the game was decided.Maggot Brain said:
As far as the premise of the article (and several nauseating posters here who post as much in virtually every NE game thread (not directed at MB or Philly fans)) it seems that the refs are all conspiring to favor the Patriots is the only logical conclusion they can draw. The Jealousy And Resentment Crowd (JARCs),can't possibly fathom any other potential reasons.
Can't have anything to do with what most agree is the best coach and coaching staff in the league, or good disciplined players, or better conditioned players (they usually are) or having one of the smartest, most deadly pounce on a mistake qbs that ever lived putting constant pressure on defs in many different ways, or a perennially prolific offense unlike almost any other in the league that morphs week to week based on opponents weakness, and on and on. Nah, its anything other than NE being the better team, spygate is too old, as is deflategate so lets create a new witch, ya it must be the refs.
Spygate, yeah TB hasn't been nearly as productive since the start of 2007 and can't get those Steelers def signals, bahahahahahaaa.
Deflategate, yup once those balls were inflated properly poor Tom has only managed to win 2 out of the next 3 Super Bowls (maybe 3 out of 4 and maybe league MVP to boot). Again bahahahahahaaa. I can bring up Bradshaw bragging about his steelers doing far worse or Rice admitting he was cheating the whole fn time (oh right, using stickum on your gloves doesn't help u nearly as much as alleged imperceptible amounts of air in the ball (hows that low inflation fumbling theory going guys?smh)). But why must we?
Honestly peeps how about someday you and the bitter, classless loser ex-players, coaches and gms (like cryin ryan clarke, Faulk, marty hurney, Jon Ritchie etc) stop smearing and denigrating Brusci, Mginest, Brown, Branch, Adam, Vrabel, Law, Edelman, Gronk, TB and BB etc and give them some credit for being really f'n good. You know your gonna hate it when they are gone, who will you have to hate then? Eagles fans? Just kidding
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program.
Should be a great game
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
The refs love the pats. And the pats cheated. It is what it is. Haven’t we all accepted that at this point?
Bossman
Footballguy
Common Opponents (2017 Season)
Philadelphia // New England Results
Opponent (Rank) Date H/A/N Result Date H/A/N Result
PHI Kansas City (9) 09/17 Away L by 7
NE Kansas City (9) 09/07 Home L by 15
PHI- LA Chargers (13) 10/01 Away W by 2
NE- LA Chargers (13) 10/29 Home W by 8
PHI- Carolina (12) 10/12 Away W by 5
NE- Carolina (12) 10/01 Home L by 3
PHI- Denver (23) 11/05 Home W by 28
NE- Denver (23) 11/12 Away W by 25
PHI- Oakland (19) 12/25 Home W by 9
NE- Oakland (19) 11/19 Neu W by 25
PHI- Atlanta (8) 01/13 Home W by 5
NE- Atlanta (8) 10/22 Home W by 16
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PHI took care of CAR which NE couldn't do at home.
Seems almost identical otherwise.
Philadelphia // New England Results
Opponent (Rank) Date H/A/N Result Date H/A/N Result
PHI Kansas City (9) 09/17 Away L by 7
NE Kansas City (9) 09/07 Home L by 15
PHI- LA Chargers (13) 10/01 Away W by 2
NE- LA Chargers (13) 10/29 Home W by 8
PHI- Carolina (12) 10/12 Away W by 5
NE- Carolina (12) 10/01 Home L by 3
PHI- Denver (23) 11/05 Home W by 28
NE- Denver (23) 11/12 Away W by 25
PHI- Oakland (19) 12/25 Home W by 9
NE- Oakland (19) 11/19 Neu W by 25
PHI- Atlanta (8) 01/13 Home W by 5
NE- Atlanta (8) 10/22 Home W by 16
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PHI took care of CAR which NE couldn't do at home.
Seems almost identical otherwise.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Good lord that was a bad article. Seems like the author is grabbing at straws there. Differential? Really? NE was bad a covering both WRs and TE/RBs. But they had a good differential. The article could have been reworked to say that NE is doomed on defense because Philly can attack them any way they want to and they will have success through the air throwing to WRs, TEs or RBs. Not to mention NE can't stop anyone from running on them. At least the Eagles will be able to take something away from NE.
I'll also point out this little tidbit, "...consider that the Eagles didn’t play many teams this season that excel at passing to non-WRs." So the author is saying that the Eagles didn't play many teams this year where stopping the TE and RB in the passing game would be a defensive priority. I can't believe that Philly would set up their defensive game plan to take away the other teams offensive strengths and give the opponent only options that they aren't good at. Holy crap, I though only NE was allowed to do that.
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If you're going to get worked into a lather over statistics presented by a media stats leader like 538, you should probably understand them a little better.Good lord that was a bad article. Seems like the author is grabbing at straws there. Differential? Really?
Yes, Really. Differential is a great way to show splits and highlight imbalance. This is statistics 101. Sorry if that's over your head.
NE was bad a covering both WRs and TE/RBs. But they had a good differential. The article could have been reworked to say that NE is doomed on defense because Philly can attack them any way they want to and they will have success through the air throwing to WRs, TEs or RBs. Not to mention NE can't stop anyone from running on them.
I'm guessing by these comments you don't watch much New England football. Let me help fill ya in, NE has always had a bend don't break defense... they focus on scoring, not yards...because winning is based on scoring, not yards. And while NE allowed a lot of YARDS, they allowed the fewest POINTS in the final 12 weeks of any team in the NFL, including the Eagles.
Another way to look at this is Yards per Point, which NE leads the league by a sizeable margin, in... making you earn 19.7 yards per point this season. So if by "attack them any way they want" you mean Philly will gain a lot of yards, sure. Bill will let you have all the yards you want.
I can't believe that Philly would set up their defensive game plan to take away the other teams offensive strengths and give the opponent only options that they aren't good at. Holy crap, I though only NE was allowed to do that.
Philly's glaring inefficiency vs RB/TE is not reflective of ANYTHING New England..... The patriots have a perfectly balanced defense allowing 92.5 passer rating vs RB/TE and 92.3 vs WR.
Snotbubbles, indeed.
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fred_1_15301
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Still.......too.......many.......days.......left :(
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for Gronk's status today... we really need him out of protocol ASAP. He's practicing so that's good... but if he isn't cleared today I'm going to start getting a little nervous. Per Sports Insights analysis and discussions with bookmakers, Gronkowski is one of only about a half dozen non QB NFL players worth 0.5 to 1 point on a line.
Anarchy99
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In case you missed it when I posted it pages ago, NE scores 4.5 ppg more with Gronk than without Gronk. He should move the line more than 0.5 to 1 point.
It would not totally shock me if / when Gronk got out of the concussion protocol that the Patriots sat on the information to get in the heads of the Eagles that he might not play only to spring it on them at the last second. That would be something BB would do.
If I had to guess, they will reinstate him tomorrow when they have to file their last official injury report (or at least I think that's when they have to do it).
The other thing I was contemplating is whether the money pouring in on Philadelphia is based more on emotion than anything else. SO MANY PEOPLE want the Patriots to lose that they may be betting on the Eagles based on spite and loathing.
babydemon90
Footballguy
I wouldn't read into that. They certainly stopped Jax when it counted. I think they've tended to have a bend approach to the run game, so hopefully the Eagles can exploit that to some extent, but running on them when they are trying to stop it will be tough. I do like the matchup of the Eagles O-line on the perimeter though - their strength is the athleticism of Kelce and Johnson being able to pull and attack to get mismatches.
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I don't disagree that Gronk should be worth more than a point, I had missed that specific post but had seen similar data. There is NO doubt that this offense is a different animal with him (pun intended). He's simply one of the most dangerous offensive weapons in the league. If he's not making big plays, it's because he's opening up big plays for others because teams are having to double+ team him.
And no doubt Patriots-Fatigue is having an impact on betting. Eagles had an amazing performance in the NFC championship game, but it was clearly an outlier. Foles had a 76.7 Passer Rating with 56% Completion percentage and a 2.5:1 TD/INT ratio in 7 games (3 starts) during the regular season, then suddenly 122% Rating / 77% Completion Percentage, a doubling of his yds/att, and 3:0 TD/INT ratio vs the Vikings.
I think there is some credence to the bye week allowing them to install components of the old offense that Foles is familiar with (though I didn't watch the game closely enough to see if that proved out in playcalling). However I think anyone expecting anything remotely close to those NFCCG numbers vs New England are delusional.
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Anarchy99
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Fleshing this out a little more:
NE 4-2, 175 points scored, 119 points allowed, +56 point differential, 0 TO, 8 TO forced, +8 turnover ratio, +25 first downs, +22 yards
PHI 5-1, 159 points scored, 117 points allowed, +42 point differential, 8 TO, 11 TO forced, +3 turnover ratio, +24 first downs, +309 yards
Pretty much similar to what one would expect. The Patriots don't care that much about giving up yards but very similar in points allowed to PHI. NE doesn't turn the ball over and the Eagles force a lot of turnovers. Hard to look at common opponents and conclude that either team has much of an advantage.
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When Brady faces pressure on less than 40% of passing plays, the Patriots take home the hardware.
When he faces pressure on more than 40% of passing plays, they don't.
The Eagles have put opposing QBs under pressure on 41.3% of passing plays
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When he faces pressure on more than 40% of passing plays, they don't.
The Eagles have put opposing QBs under pressure on 41.3% of passing plays
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