***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)

[fred_1_15301]

Bill Belichick says hi.

He's the greatest coach in the game but Pederson looks to be the type of coach who could become the next Belichick.  I'm not so sure this will be a HUGE advantage for the Patriots in this game.  Both teams will be very prepared and well coached.  

 

[msudaisy26]

What's the deal with him?  I thought he had a concussion.  Is he definitely playing?  I had to care for 2 toddlers so I missed most of the game and haven't really looked at any of the updates.

No idea, but I would think 2 weeks before the next game would give him enough time. 

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I've got a few names myself but I'll wait for their proper introductions. 

You Pats fans are impossible.

Better start working on your excuses.

Here's one.

Brady's mangina swelled up.

True Story:

I lived in Jacksonville during the McNabb superbowl era.  

I went to the game hoping to pay less than $2000 for tickets, but saw them being scalped in the $5000-$10000 range, so we watched the game from a bar downtown.

On the way TO the game the Eagles fans crowed incessantly and got up in the grill of any fan wearing Pats gear.  After the game they were much quieter.

My point is Eagles fans are impossible, until after then game.

The comment was made that Brady is the only advantage the Pats have.  Belichick and Gronk get mentioned.  Therefore we are impossible.  Whatever dude.

The Eagles are an awesome team and we'll be lucky to squeak out a win against them.  Best of luck.

 

[dhockster]

I've got a few names myself but I'll wait for their proper introductions. 

You Pats fans are impossible.

Better start working on your excuses.

Here's one.

Brady's mangina swelled up.

Please stop this. You are just making us Philly fans look bad.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

On the way TO the game the Eagles fans crowed incessantly and got up in the grill of any fan wearing Pats gear.  

I'm sorry,  but I'm finding this hard to believe 

 

[JuniorNB]

I heard of this guy named Gronkowski, seems like a made a up name, but I heard he is good. 

They have a couple of all time greats. Brady and Gronk may be the best ever at their positions. And Belichick is an all time great coach.  

 

[babydemon90]

Both team make good 2nd half adjustments - Eagles might actually be a little better overall then the Pats this year.

2nd half Points per game:

Eagles - 14.1, Pats 11.9

2nd half Time Of Possession % time share:

Eagles - 55.27%, Pats 50.91%

Opponent 2nd half points per game

Pats - 8.3 , Eagles - 9.2
 

 

[Thunderlips]

No big deal what the spread is. We all new the Eagles would be underdogs.

Eagles have embraced the underdog mentality. 

All you need to know is the best teams from each conference are in the Superbowl. 

#1 seeds with same record.

Brady is the only edge the Pats have.

I believe the Eagles jump out in front early and keep the pedal to the metal.

The Jags defense was a joke. Eagles defense will last deep into the 4th.

I love the Eagles and think they can win.....but that's a pretty damn big edge.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I've watched roughly 90% of their plays & the vast majority of every single game. I have Wentz in all but one of my dynasty leagues so I tend to watch them either live or recorded.

I give them about a 20% to 25% chance to beat the Pats. What's your opinion?

Then, I’ll give you a gift and take Philly at only 3:1 odds, for $100. Deal? 

 

[Anarchy99]

Both team make good 2nd half adjustments - Eagles might actually be a little better overall then the Pats this year.

2nd half Points per game:

Eagles - 14.1, Pats 11.9

2nd half Time Of Possession % time share:

Eagles - 55.27%, Pats 50.91%

Opponent 2nd half points per game

Pats - 8.3 , Eagles - 9.2
 

Not sure this carries a ton of weight. NE won games by: 16, 16, 18, 20, 20, 21, 21, 25, 25. PHI won games by 18, 21, 23, 27, 28, 28, 28.

I can't speak as much to the Eagles strategy, but the Patriots didn't try all that hard when they were ahead by 2-3 scores in the second half. They usually opted to go conservative, not risk any turnovers, and not risk injuries. On the NE side, I would not look at what they did as being indicative of what they could have done if they weren't happy and content. The Pats had a ton of injuries, and most weeks they were just happy to get out of Dodge with a W and no one else on the injury report.

I'm guessing neither team will be up by 20 points in the second half in the SB, so most of the second half stats from the regular season in a lot of blowouts could go right out the window.

 

[Anarchy99]

No big deal what the spread is. We all new the Eagles would be underdogs.

Eagles have embraced the underdog mentality. 

All you need to know is the best teams from each conference are in the Superbowl. 

#1 seeds with same record.

Brady is the only edge the Pats have.

I believe the Eagles jump out in front early and keep the pedal to the metal.

The Jags defense was a joke. Eagles defense will last deep into the 4th.

Here's the thing. Lots of teams and fans have taken the stance that they had the better team for whatever reasons heading into games with NE. And the huge majority of the time things didn't go as they expected and those teams lost.

I agree on paper the Eagles look like a tough match up for the Patriots and in some areas they are likely better than NE. But how many times have we seen teams that seemed very strong, well coached, and well put together end up having a brain fart or mini meltdown and make some really dumb mistakes?

I know the easy answer is that the Eagles are different, have more resolve and wherewithal, and they won't do any of the things that plagued many other teams. To which I say I hope you are right and we get to see a good game.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

The Super Bowl long ago became a game for house wives, teenie boppers, and corporate ####s who want to be seen.  Football has allowed its championship game to be coopted by folks who hate football the rest of the year and who have contempt for us fans. It is now about commercials, halftime shows, and the wives and girlfriends of the players.  The network will spend more time broadcasting what individual players wear to the stadium than  their performance and health in the week of practice leading up to the game. The sponsors will insist that the players appear for vapid press events that will prevent practice and rehab during the second week leading up to the game. Makes me sick.

They should hold the game in places where Paris Hilton and the Kardashians will not go, places like Green Bay, Philly, or Buffalo.  Ticket sales should go 40% each to the season ticket holders or individual game ticket holders of each participating team .  The remaining 20% should be sold no more than 2 at a time and to persons who have to pass a football knowledge test before purchasing.  Security should not be allowed at the doors to suites.  The glitterati should be apprehensive to appear.  They should have to move through the crowds like a real fan or not show up. If they can't defend their suite they should not be there.

Sideline reporters should be subject to "Office Linebacker" treatment if they approach any coach during the game, and especially right before or after halftime.  Halftime should be the same length as it is now and should involve nothing more elaborate than Frisbee catching dogs and dance routines by an all star squad of cheerleaders voted on by the most misogynistic fans around. Gene Steratore should ref the game.  The ground should be allowed to cause a fumble, hold the ball on catches or runs until the carriers body stops progressing.  coaches should be allowed 3 challenges, but if they lose one they should be ejected from the game.  Owners should not be videoed.  If they get a suite it must have one way glass.  They, the owners, should not be allowed on the sideline before the game is over, and if they do go down the opposing coach ought to be able to demand they take the field for one play.  

I feel like I just watched Bull Durham. 

Also, if I ever become Emperor of the Universe, I promise you'll be the next commissioner of the NFL. 

 

[Tool]

And I'm seeing 5, 5.5 now.  So its dropped nearly 2 points.

it's also dropped nearly 1 point.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Here's the thing. Lots of teams and fans have taken the stance that they had the better team for whatever reasons heading into games with NE. And the huge majority of the time things didn't go as they expected and those teams lost.

I agree on paper the Eagles look like a tough match up for the Patriots and in some areas they are likely better than NE. But how many times have we seen teams that seemed very strong, well coached, and well put together end up having a brain fart or mini meltdown and make some really dumb mistakes?

I know the easy answer is that the Eagles are different, have more resolve and wherewithal, and they won't do any of the things that plagued many other teams. To which I say I hope you are right and we get to see a good game.

Very good post.  This is what scares me.  The Pats are the Pats for a reason.  They're not always the best team but they usually find a way to win.

 

[Insein]

It's going to be incredibly hard for Foles to beat them & that's what he's going to have to do. The best chance the Eagles have is to be dominant on the ground, but I don't think Pederson will stick with it.

I see a huge intangible edge for the Pats. As much as people rag them, they just get it done. 

I could easily see this getting ugly, but if Philly can win on 3rd downs, they've got a chance with some breaks.

It's funny, every single word you typed was wrong.

 

[need2know]

Very good post.  This is what scares me.  The Pats are the Pats for a reason.  They're not always the best team but they usually find a way to win.

Not always

 

[Football Jones]

Then, I’ll give you a gift and take Philly at only 3:1 odds, for $100. Deal? 

I think 3:1 is about right. I also believe the line is as a tough bet. I've already stated I don't see an edge either way with the line & I feel the same about 3:1. I give the Eagles a 20-25% chance to win & it's not like that's a longshot. I'll pass on 3:1.

Do you believe Philly is the better team? If so, I'm down for a straight-up bet if you're confident.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I think 3:1 is about right. I also believe the line is as a tough bet. I've already stated I don't see an edge either way with the line & I feel the same about 3:1. I give the Eagles a 20-25% chance to win & it's not like that's a longshot. I'll pass on 3:1.

Do you believe Philly is the better team? If so, I'm down for a straight-up bet if you're confident.

 

 

[Football Jones]

It's funny, every single word you typed was wrong.

Is that right, LOL. Well, I bet Pederson agrees with you. 

I don't believe Foles is capable of beating the Pats. I believe your best chance is to hammer them until they have to bring more resources to stop the run. 

My guess is Pederson will put it in Foles' hands from pretty much the start. Lots of RPOs, screens, & the occasional deep pass. Should be interesting.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I think 3:1 is about right. I also believe the line is as a tough bet. I've already stated I don't see an edge either way with the line & I feel the same about 3:1. I give the Eagles a 20-25% chance to win & it's not like that's a longshot. I'll pass on 3:1.

Do you believe Philly is the better team? If so, I'm down for a straight-up bet if you're confident.

Nah, but I’m down for taking you at your word. You must not be confident that it’s really a 20-25% chance or you’d snap up 3:1 in a heartbeat. Only makes sense, right? I do like the Eagles to win the game, already put down some money on them, in fact. But not straight up- that’d be foolish, if i can get points.

 

[Football Jones]

 

What's so funny? People make straight-up bets all the time if the two parties are confident.

I typically don't gamble, but will sometimes put money on the SB if I see an edge. I think the line is right on, though.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I've watched roughly 90% of their plays & the vast majority of every single game. I have Wentz in all but one of my dynasty leagues so I tend to watch them either live or recorded.

I give them about a 20% to 25% chance to beat the Pats. What's your opinion?

My opinion is you haven’t watched much of the eagles this year.  Or you can’t accept/identify what you’re seeing.  Owning wentz in fantasy has nothing to do with anything  

 

[fred_1_15301]

What's so funny? People make straight-up bets all the time if the two parties are confident.

I typically don't gamble, but will sometimes put money on the SB if I see an edge. I think the line is right on, though.

You gave the eagles a 20-25% chance of winning the game and yet you're only willing to bet the guy straight up.  You won't give the guy 3 to 1 which is actually a good bet for you (given that they're potentially 4 to 1 dogs in your mind).  That's the part that I found funny.  

 

[Football Jones]

Nah, but I’m down for taking you at your word. You must not be confident that it’s really a 20-25% chance or you’d snap up 3:1 in a heartbeat. Only makes sense, right? I do like the Eagles to win the game, already put down some money on them, in fact. But not straight up- that’d be foolish, if i can get points.

Huh? I'm giving Philly a fair chance to win. I wouldn't touch 3:1. 

I understand if you don't want to do a straight-up bet, but I don't feel confident enough in a line bet or 3:1.

I believe the Pats are easily a better team, but the Eagles are just good enough to win if they get some breaks.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Huh? I'm giving Philly a fair chance to win. I wouldn't touch 3:1. 

I understand if you don't want to do a straight-up bet, but I don't feel confident enough in a line bet or 3:1.

I believe the Pats are easily a better team, but the Eagles are just good enough to win if they get some breaks.

But you said 20-25%.       Do you understand how gambling works?

 

[need2know]

Easily better team my ###

 

[fred_1_15301]

I don't know why I'm getting sucked in

 

[Insein]

Is that right, LOL. Well, I bet Pederson agrees with you. 

I don't believe Foles is capable of beating the Pats. I believe your best chance is to hammer them until they have to bring more resources to stop the run. 

My guess is Pederson will put it in Foles' hands from pretty much the start. Lots of RPOs, screens, & the occasional deep pass. Should be interesting.

I'd probably care more if I actually read what you wrote.

 

[dhockster]

Is that right, LOL. Well, I bet Pederson agrees with you. 

I don't believe Foles is capable of beating the Pats. I believe your best chance is to hammer them until they have to bring more resources to stop the run. 

My guess is Pederson will put it in Foles' hands from pretty much the start. Lots of RPOs, screens, & the occasional deep pass. Should be interesting.

Someone asked you earlier if you thought Foles would be able to beat the Vikings. You never answered.

 

[need2know]

I'd probably care more if I actually read what you wrote.

I can usually read a couple lines and then it just screams cowboys directly into my brain

 

[fred_1_15301]

 But not straight up- that’d be foolish, if i can get points.

 

 

[Football Jones]

My opinion is you haven’t watched much of the eagles this year.  Or you can’t accept/identify what you’re seeing.  Owning wentz in fantasy has nothing to do with anything  

The problem with that is you're calling me a liar. Not cool. I've most certainly watched 90% of their game action.

You guys have a good team, but my honest opinion is you're going to have a very tough time repeating this season's success. And that's with Wentz at 100%.

That's from personnel to coaching to the whole ball of wax. Key point is you guys are a good team & have made a lot of strides, but you're not what I'd call a perennial contender. You have quite a ways to go yet. 

In fact, the Cowboys have a good chance to unseat you next season. I want to see what moves we make, but I like our chances with the right additions. We'll see.

I'm rooting for you guys in the Super Bowl, though. Good luck.

 

[fred_1_15301]

 

 

[Insein]

The problem with that is you're calling me a liar. Not cool. I've most certainly watched 90% of their game action.

You guys have a good team, but my honest opinion is you're going to have a very tough time repeating this season's success. And that's with Wentz at 100%.

That's from personnel to coaching to the whole ball of wax. Key point is you guys are a good team & have made a lot of strides, but you're not what I'd call a perennial contender. You have quite a ways to go yet. 

In fact, the Cowboys have a good chance to unseat you next season. I want to see what moves we make, but I like our chances with the right additions. We'll see.

I'm rooting for you guys in the Super Bowl, though. Good luck.

I'm sure Dak will be a good QB some day but I don't know why you're bringing him up now. 

 

[fred_1_15301]

The problem with that is you're calling me a liar. Not cool. I've most certainly watched 90% of their game action.

You guys have a good team, but my honest opinion is you're going to have a very tough time repeating this season's success. And that's with Wentz at 100%.

That's from personnel to coaching to the whole ball of wax. Key point is you guys are a good team & have made a lot of strides, but you're not what I'd call a perennial contender. You have quite a ways to go yet. 

In fact, the Cowboys have a good chance to unseat you next season. I want to see what moves we make, but I like our chances with the right additions. We'll see.

I'm rooting for you guys in the Super Bowl, though. Good luck.

Look I hate the Patriots more than anything on this planet but I will always admit that they have completely owned my team in the BB/Brady era.    I am jealous of their success.  All of your posts just scream of Eagles jealousy/hate.  I'm not an Eagles fan so this is just my observation as an outsider.  

 

[Skeletore Eh]

The problem with that is you're calling me a liar. Not cool. I've most certainly watched 90% of their game action.

You guys have a good team, but my honest opinion is you're going to have a very tough time repeating this season's success. And that's with Wentz at 100%.

That's from personnel to coaching to the whole ball of wax. Key point is you guys are a good team & have made a lot of strides, but you're not what I'd call a perennial contender. You have quite a ways to go yet. 

In fact, the Cowboys have a good chance to unseat you next season. I want to see what moves we make, but I like our chances with the right additions. We'll see.

I'm rooting for you guys in the Super Bowl, though. Good luck.

Im curious why you think we will have a hard time repeating this success?  You paying attention to the eagles roster and who we have under contract over the next few seasons?

i don’t want to call you a liar, so I’ll just assume you can’t accept what you’re seeing.  Or you just don’t know what you’re talking about 

 

[Football Jones]

In response to fred

That's where you'd be wrong. Most Cowboys fans don't hate the Eagles. At least the ones around here. It's not even a big rivalry. At least as of now.

I'm not sure what to tell you. I think they have a good team, but they're very fortunate to have the record they do & be where they're at right now, IMO. I have no reason to hate on Philly.

My opinion is pretty simple. I think they're clearly overmatched, especially with intangibles. That said, I've given them a reasonable chance to win. 

I'm just hoping for a good game.

 

[need2know]

 

[jon007]

This thread is shaping up to be an insane two weeks. Then we get to watch a football game. 

 

[fred_1_15301]

This thread is shaping up to be an insane two weeks. Then we get to watch a football game. 

This is exactly how I expected the thread to turn out with an Eagles/Patriots matchup

 

[Lehigh98]

Ah...according to you, Foles is their best weapon.  So, maybe Belichick takes him away.  

I just hope Brady will be able to keep pace with that future HOFer, Foles.

Future?  Foles is already in the HOF.

 

[Football Jones]

Im curious why you think we will have a hard time repeating this success?  You paying attention to the eagles roster and who we have under contract over the next few seasons?

i don’t want to call you a liar, so I’ll just assume you can’t accept what you’re seeing.  Or you just don’t know what you’re talking about 

What I'm personally seeing is a solid team with upside who isn't quite as good as their record would indicate.

You're kind of on the verge of having a strong team, but could take a step back with a 1st place schedule. 

As a Cowboys fan, the Vikings are who I fear most. They'll get a QB & when they do, with Cook coming back & that D, they'll be the clear favorites from the NFC, IMO. The Vikings with a top QB is scary.

My Cowboys have work to do, but we have the raw talent & the scouting department to get back on top. Our scouting department might be the best in the league since we retained Will McClay. There's some things we definitely need to fix, but the future looks bright.

The NFC East should be interesting next season. I expect to battle Philly for the title.

 

[fred_1_15301]

What I'm personally seeing is a solid team with upside who isn't quite as good as their record would indicate.

You're kind of on the verge of having a strong team, but could take a step back with a 1st place schedule. 

As a Cowboys fan, the Vikings are who I fear most. They'll get a QB & when they do, with Cook coming back & that D, they'll be the clear favorites from the NFC, IMO. The Vikings with a top QB is scary.

My Cowboys have work to do, but we have the raw talent & the scouting department to get back on top. Our scouting department might be the best in the league since we retained Will McClay. There's some things we definitely need to fix, but the future looks bright.

The NFC East should be interesting next season. I expect to battle Philly for the title.

So how are the Vikings going to get a "top QB" in your opinion?

 

[Football Jones]

I said they'd find a QB. With a TOP QB, they'd be scary.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I said they'd find a QB. With a TOP QB, they'd be scary.

And with a top qb the cowboys would be scary. But they have Dak

 

[Skeletore Eh]

What I'm personally seeing is a solid team with upside who isn't quite as good as their record would indicate.

You're kind of on the verge of having a strong team, but could take a step back with a 1st place schedule. 

As a Cowboys fan, the Vikings are who I fear most. They'll get a QB & when they do, with Cook coming back & that D, they'll be the clear favorites from the NFC, IMO. The Vikings with a top QB is scary.

My Cowboys have work to do, but we have the raw talent & the scouting department to get back on top. Our scouting department might be the best in the league since we retained Will McClay. There's some things we definitely need to fix, but the future looks bright.

The NFC East should be interesting next season. I expect to battle Philly for the title.

You still haven’t addressed how the eagles won’t be a force for the next few years.  Other than just not paying attention

 

[fred_1_15301]

I said they'd find a QB. With a TOP QB, they'd be scary.

But they already have "a QB".  Hell if I played QB for them, technically I would be "a QB".  Obviously your point was that if they had a top QB, they would be a great team.  I agree with that but given their success, it's not going to be easy to get a top QB.  

 

[jasvic]

 

[Football Jones]

But they already have "a QB".  Hell if I played QB for them, technically I would be "a QB".  Obviously your point was that if they had a top QB, they would be a great team.  I agree with that but given their success, it's not going to be easy to get a top QB.  

You knew what I meant. Keenum is a journeyman. They could easily find a better QB.

If they land a good QB through FA, trade, or the draft, look out. It's the reason I fear them most.

 

[fred_1_15301]

You knew what I meant. Keenum is a journeyman. They could easily find a better QB.

If they land a good QB through FA, trade, or the draft, look out. It's the reason I fear them most.

Keenum was a journeyman so what is Foles?  So the Eagles won 38-7 with a backup against a journeyman.  Can we call that a Keenum vs Foles a push?  Next year the Eagles get back a QB who was playing at an MVP level and the Vikings still have the journeyman.  And you fear the Vikings the most?

Anyways I need to go to bed