Amused to Death
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This hit was clearly with the crown of the helmet. Do you think Jenkins led with the crown?
This hit is totally different. Stop trying to make the hit on Cooks something it's not.
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***Official Super Bowl LII Thread*** - Eagles vs Patriots (1 Viewer)
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This hit is totally different. Stop trying to make the hit on Cooks something it's not.
You guys already have a reputation as the most smug, bandwagon-hopping fans their are. No one in football has gotten more calls than New England over the past 10 years. In fact, the Pats have gotten more favorable calls than the other 31 teams, combined. Do you have any idea how ridiculously sad you sound right now? Do you zero self-awareness?
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Doug B
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This is the second time through .,, the “illegal formation” thing was brought up and put aside the day of the game, as well.That took longer than I thought it would.
Hilarious to hear a guy complaining about officiating when his team had one offensive penalty called on them in three total playoff games.You guys already have a reputation as the most smug, bandwagon-hopping fans their are. No one in football has gotten more calls than New England over the past 10 years. In fact, the Pats have gotten more favorable calls than the other 31 teams, combined. Do you have any idea how ridiculously sad you sound right now? Do you zero self-awareness?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Insein
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Perhaps its different opinions about what the "top/crown" of the helmet is.
I dont see this as a penalty under existing rules because to me the top/crown of the helmet is referring to the front portion of the top of the helmet. At 0:32 in the attached clip, its clear that Jenkins is NOT leading with the front top of his helmet. Its also clear, to me, that he was not intentionally trying to deliver a hit to the head, which resulted from the disparity in height between the two players. I just believe they need to change the rules to promote tackling versus hitting.
Anarchy99
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IMO, defenders shouldn't really be held accountable for hits based on where the offensive player ended up. In the Cooks play, it wasn't the defender's fault that Cooks stopped on a dime, got confused, and then turned into the defender at the last second. I am not a fan when defenders get called for helmet to helmet hits or roughness calls on defenseless receivers when a guy was going to hit the player in the mid section and then the receiver lowers his head and the helmet to helmet contact becomes unavoidable.
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Wait, so Periera says the NFL is right in saying that that call is a judgement call, and that the line judge makes the judgement of whether Jeffrey was on the line or not. The line judge’s judgement was that Jeffrey was properly lined up, so there was no penalty.
This is just NE fans crying bitter salty tears. In the judgement of the line judge, there was no penalty; the NFL said the call was a judgement call on the part of the line judge (whose judgement said no penalty); Periera said the call was a judgement call on the part of the line judge (whose judgement was no penalty), but he (Periera) thinks the line judges judgement was wrong. Guess what? What Periera thinks about the line judges judgement is meaningless. That’s like a former MLB ump saying he didn’t think Aaron Judge struck out, because the called 3rd strike wasn’t, in his opinion, in the strike zone. His opinion doesn’t count, & the strike out is legitimate. Periera’s opinion doesn’t count, the formation was legal (because the person whose judgement DOES matter said so), & NE lost, fair and square.
Andrew74
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And Periera must be blind, too. He says he’s two to three yards back. He’s maybe 1.5 yard but definitely under two. Sheesh.
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Billy Bats
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I betcha Pats fans didn’t have any problem with the Amendola fumble not being ruled a fumble somehow. Did Peirera chime in on that one?
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GoBirds
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It’s impossible to take a Pats fan seriously if they try to complain about officials. They might as well be out there in Pats jerseys the past decade, look at any screenshot of Brady in the pocket and you will see the Tackles arm across the chest/neck of the DE and never a flag.JuniorNB said:That's a Patriot fan for you.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Going from memory, they had an illegal block in the back on a kick return and a false start.
ETA: in the Divisional round they had 4-37. The 2 penalties were in the CCG (1-10) & SB (1-5).
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need2know
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Amused to Death
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Well, none that were called. Cory Clement might disagree though.Sure didn't seem like it. They are so well coached. I'm sure that's why.
JetMaxx
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Alshon was clearly held in the end zone by Gilmore. Collingsworth conveniently miss that one.Sure didn't seem like it. They are so well coached. I'm sure that's why.
Bossman
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My post was pointing out how Patriot haters want to blame the refs when NE wins. Somehow the Patriots get favorable calls ... because the refs want NE to win?
I specifically stated that I had no problem with the play. How is this "salty tears"?
... maybe you mis-read my post? ... or you just failed to comprehend it.
Bossman
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Cooks gets blasted in the face with a helmet. About took his head off. ... Is it too hard to comprehend how that might have been called a penalty?
Even if it was called a penalty, not likely going to change the outcome of the game.
PHI fan sure are thin skinned in here. Try to carry yourselves like you've been here before .... oh, wait. Never mind, carry on.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Pats fans have been classy, So stop being a tool. And stop comparing dissimilar plays.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
If you have no problem with the way it was officiated, why did you post the rule? BTW, the rule you posted does not support your claim. Then you posted a clip of very different type of hit.
Bossman
Footballguy
I posted the rule because a poster quoted above feels that "anything goes" once a WR becomes a runner. Helmet to anything goes. They are wrong.
As far as RB leading with their helmet all of the time ... Rule states a RB can be called for a penalty as well .... so I posted the rule.
... and one actually "loved that hit". How would he feel if his son takes a hit like that in high school or college? What if it was your son?
I'm sure he was whooping it up something fierce at the 'ol PHI SB party right then ... as Cooks laid there unconscious. Some sick people.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I'll ask a 3rd time then, do you think Jenkins lead with the crown of his helmet as the rule you posted stipulated? And it was a great hit within the rules of the game. If it was my kid, yeah I'd be concerned. But it was very much a clean hit. We love football for its violence. Next time hopefully Cooks will keep his head up.
I had no problem with that non-call either. Amendola was held in place a full 2 seconds or more before that ball came out...it was the right call to blow it dead.
Game was very well officiated overall.
Bossman
Footballguy
my initial thought when I first watched it was, he lowered his head with the intention of hitting with the crown ... and missed using the crown by 3 inches.
After studying the slow mo replay, I can see that his head was to the side and he tried to lead with his shoulder. Unfortunately the helmet hit helmet first.
Proper tackle is head in front of the ball carrier (which it was) and head up / see what you're tackling (which it wasn't). Head was down and ended up being inches away from using the crown. I credit the refs for seeing it correctly without the benefit of slow mo and camera angles that we all have.
Sometimes such a violent hit will draw a flag regardless ... but these guys got it right.
I posted the clip of the other hit in response to people saying "all is fair" once he becomes a runner. Read the text in that post.
I apologize for my turd in your punch-bowl. That wasn't my intention.
Cowboysfan8
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Cowboysfan8
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And yet I have skin like a 10 ply truck tire compared to you, and almost all of the Eagles fans in this board.22 years. 2 playoff wins.
And everyone that reads this board knows it
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Your team hasn't played a meaningful game in months and you're still hanging around the Eagles threads and trolling. That doesn't sound like thick skin to me. Sounds like somebody who's butt hurt. Keep your head up Slim, you guys were good in the 90s I heard.And yet I have skin like a 10 ply truck tire compared to you, and almost all of the Eagles fans in this board.
And everyone that reads this board knows it
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Cowboysfan8
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Do you know the difference between thin and thick skin? Most of your posts are you whining or lashing out at other posters. Like 90%. When have I whined about anything in here? Show me one post, I'll waitYour team hasn't played a meaningful game in months and you're still hanging around the Eagles threads and trolling. That doesn't sound like thick skin to me. Sounds like somebody who's butt hurt. Keep your head up Slim, you guys were good in the 90s I heard.
And I don't think you know what trolling is, because you call people out for it every day when theyre not trolling.
You're strange dude.
You're the squistion of the shark pool.
Congrats
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2017 NFL Champions...the Philadelphia Eagles.Do you know the difference between thin and thick skin? Most of your posts are you whining or lashing out at other posters. Like 90%. When have I whined about anything in here? Show me one post, I'll wait
And I don't think you know what trolling is, because you call people out for it every day when theyre not trolling.
You're strange dude.
You're the squistion of the shark pool.
Congrats
I have nothing to whine about, Slim. Things couldn't be better. I simply enjoy swatting you in the nose with a rolled up newspaper every time you pop your sad, pathetic nose in an Eagles thread and attempt to troll. And it usually only takes me reminding you that your team has won 2 playoff games in the last 22 years to set you off. The Eagles won 3 games in 20 days.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Set me offLadies and gentlemen, your 2017 NFL Champions...the Philadelphia Eagles.
I have nothing to whine about, Slim. Things couldn't be better. I simply enjoy swatting you in the nose with a rolled up newspaper every time you pop your sad, pathetic nose in an Eagles thread and attempt to troll. And it usually only takes me reminding you that your team has won 2 playoff games in the last 22 years to set you off. The Eagles won 3 games in 20 days.
I've never been the "Got 5?" Cowboys fan, but just this once, wth .....1 ain't 5 kiddo.
You should be grateful instead of cocky anyway. If the Falcons OC hadn't #### his pants 4 times in a row starting on 1st and goal you'd have lost in your first playoff game this year. You got lucky
I gave you credit for the fact that your team used to be good once upon a time. When Vanilla Ice was ruling the pop charts.Set me off
I've never been the "Got 5?" Cowboys fan, but just this once, wth .....1 ain't 5 kiddo.
You should be grateful instead of cocky anyway. If the Falcons OC hadn't #### his pants 4 times in a row starting on 1st and goal you'd have lost in your first playoff game this year. You got lucky
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Slider
Footballguy
How many since drug testing was implemented?Set me off
I've never been the "Got 5?" Cowboys fan, but just this once, wth .....1 ain't 5 kiddo.
You should be grateful instead of cocky anyway. If the Falcons OC hadn't #### his pants 4 times in a row starting on 1st and goal you'd have lost in your first playoff game this year. You got lucky
modogg
Footballguy
agree here. Eagles fans need to take a step back. It is beneath us to spend our time with the basement-dwellars in the league. we don't have to have pissing contests with the peons anymore, we have moved on to bigger and better targesGuys, guys, can’t we all get along and come together to celebrate the Pats losing?
jabarony
Footballguy
Ouch.Do you know the difference between thin and thick skin? Most of your posts are you whining or lashing out at other posters. Like 90%. When have I whined about anything in here? Show me one post, I'll wait
And I don't think you know what trolling is, because you call people out for it every day when theyre not trolling.
You're strange dude.
You're the squistion of the shark pool.
Congrats
modogg
Footballguy
my old football coach used to say: "If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts, every day would be Christmas". the Eagles special teams turnovers in that game were as flukey as could beSet me off
I've never been the "Got 5?" Cowboys fan, but just this once, wth .....1 ain't 5 kiddo.
You should be grateful instead of cocky anyway. If the Falcons OC hadn't #### his pants 4 times in a row starting on 1st and goal you'd have lost in your first playoff game this year. You got lucky
need2know
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Anarchy99
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Scott Zolak talked about this again on the radio. He tends to think the original BB story is what happened . . . that it was a football decision and nothing else, based on:
- Butler was sick and hospitalized with the flu between the AFCC and the SB.
- Butler was very weak and sluggish and looked bad and completely winded when he finally got back to practicing.
- Butler hadn't played particularly well in the past few games, and IIRC got beat for 2 TDs in 2 of the prior 3 games.
- Butler was a match up problem in the SB. His actual height has been rumored to be a little over 5'9". The Eagles WR were Jeffrey (6'3") and Agholor (6'0"), and apparently there was concern that Agholor was too quick and shifty to be covered by a sick and de-energized Butler.
- BB didn't like what he saw on the field from Butler in practice and had already developed a game plan to forge on either without him or only in sub packages.
- When BB didn't like what he saw, he stuck to the game plan and left Butler on the bench.
What's interesting is that a ton of people say that Butler sitting was the cause of the Eagles winning. However, other than a couple plays early on, Gilmore and Rowe both played pretty well and did not give up all that much.
Where NE got carved up was underneath and in the middle of the field. Clement and Ertz both had big games, and neither of those would have been Butler's responsibility. The biggest issues in the game were the lack of pressure on Foles, the inability of the linebackers to make a tackle, and the safeties inability to either help out in coverage or come up to stop the run. And Butler playing would have not changed any of those.
I've heard the argument 1,000 times that the Pats only needed one more stop and they would have won (certainly debatable but let's go with that). So maybe Butler may have made a play to get the Eagles to punt somewhere. But IMO there was a greater chance that somewhere else he DIDN'T make a play and got beat. He would have struggled against Jeffrey and if he was hampered by injury (slow, no stamina, reduced reaction time, etc.), he would have really had a hard time keeping up with Agholor.
The assumption was NE would have been fielding a 100% healthy Butler that played 98% of the team's snaps all year, but I highly doubt that was the player that was available on SB Sunday. The Eagles played well, the Patriots defense didn't show up, and the Eagles won. It happens.
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Very well said @Anarchy99
Hats off to the Eagles. The game could have gone either way. It was hard fought and they were the better team that day.
All this Butler chatter puts an unecessary tarnish on their victory, implying they didn’t win but instead the Pats lost. They deserve the title.
On to this year
Hats off to the Eagles. The game could have gone either way. It was hard fought and they were the better team that day.
All this Butler chatter puts an unecessary tarnish on their victory, implying they didn’t win but instead the Pats lost. They deserve the title.
On to this year
Anarchy99
Footballguy
As a side note, since then the Patriots in the eyes of many have utterly imploded, lost half their team,are in complete disarray, and are destined to be a 9 or 10 win team that won't get out of the wild card round. I've seen that multiple places.
Yes, the defense is still flawed, but I believe the new guy calling plays will have a more aggressive style than Patricia did. The names may be different on offense, but the names over the years have almost always been different every few years. Nate Solder was a decent LT, but he never made a Pro Bowl even as a replacement and he didn't really look the same the past couple of seasons. Not worth paying him as the highest paid OL man in the history of the NFL. Someone will run the ball. Plenty of guys will catch the ball, they may not be the next Antonio Brown but the offense will be fine once they get on the same page.
I still say that the media has got the squabbling wrong. They keep insisting that this past year has been a revelation and everything is chaotic and no one gets along. However, I thing the Pats locker room has had similar issues for 18 years and did a good job of keeping things in house and not much is different than any other year. I'm pretty sure BB wasn't going out after games with players after games for pizza and beer, and I doubt he would be having any team pool parties at his place.
I would guess the Pats will do their usual and start slow out of the gate. They could even start the year 0-2 with losses to HOU at home and on the road to the Jags and people will be celebrating that the reign has ended. Then they'll play better, beat up on the AFC East, and still win their usual 12 games.
Yes, the defense is still flawed, but I believe the new guy calling plays will have a more aggressive style than Patricia did. The names may be different on offense, but the names over the years have almost always been different every few years. Nate Solder was a decent LT, but he never made a Pro Bowl even as a replacement and he didn't really look the same the past couple of seasons. Not worth paying him as the highest paid OL man in the history of the NFL. Someone will run the ball. Plenty of guys will catch the ball, they may not be the next Antonio Brown but the offense will be fine once they get on the same page.
I still say that the media has got the squabbling wrong. They keep insisting that this past year has been a revelation and everything is chaotic and no one gets along. However, I thing the Pats locker room has had similar issues for 18 years and did a good job of keeping things in house and not much is different than any other year. I'm pretty sure BB wasn't going out after games with players after games for pizza and beer, and I doubt he would be having any team pool parties at his place.
I would guess the Pats will do their usual and start slow out of the gate. They could even start the year 0-2 with losses to HOU at home and on the road to the Jags and people will be celebrating that the reign has ended. Then they'll play better, beat up on the AFC East, and still win their usual 12 games.
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