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BustedKnuckles said:
HAHAHA...WALTERS TRYING TO JUSTIFY GIVING UP
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Tried to say his corner stopped it. No dude, you were mic'd. It was all you.

130 is a loaded division, getting embarrassed by Loma is not a career ender. Plenty of very good fights to be made, even if you can't knock off VL. Lots of good fights/money to be made, even if you get widely outclassed. But man, he just flushed a whole bunch of money down the toilet.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Tried to say his corner stopped it. No dude, you were mic'd. It was all you.

130 is a loaded division, getting embarrassed by Loma is not a career ender. Plenty of very good fights to be made, even if you can't knock off VL. Lots of good fights/money to be made, even if you get widely outclassed. But man, he just flushed a whole bunch of money down the toilet.
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walters needs to go back down in weight 

 
BustedKnuckles said:
walters needs to go back down in weight 
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He's had trouble making weight in the past, and after this he's going to be toxic to matchmakers and the boxing public until he rebuilds himself somewhat. Guy's gotta figure out if he wants to completely devote himself to it, which he clearly isn't at this point.

He's extremely talented, but he's gotta put in work if he wants to be a contender at either 126 or 130.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
lom vs pacman???? i love pacman but no way
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It'd be great for Lomachenko's profile, unless Pac somehow wipes him out early. I don't think Brook's loss to GGG really hurt his stock, similarly I don't think a loss (and he could win) against Pac would hurt VL. 

Loma vs. Crawford would be incredible, but I think Crawford will have moved up to 147 by the time Loma gets to 140, if he ever does. But I am not sure there's anyone who can trouble Lomachenko at 130 or, hot take, 135.

 
Walters totally destroyed himself.  Looking at how tonight played out in the context of the last 1.5 years,  he looks like a guy that banked on this one payday.

 
Ilov80s said:
Walters totally destroyed himself.  Looking at how tonight played out in the context of the last 1.5 years,  he looks like a guy that banked on this one payday.
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His corner's gotta help him get outta there, integrity intact. Chilemba/Gvozdyk was supposedly stopped because Chilemba hurt his elbow. Chilemba was also getting the tar beat out of him and was dead money at the point when his injury occurred. Might've been a legit injury, might've been him saving face. But you're not just saving face, you're saving a ton of money in future potential earnings.

ETA: Will be interesting to see if the national sports hot-take machine picks up on Walters, he's pretty good cannon fodder. 

 
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Excited about the fights tonight. I feel like over the last 5-10 years, Heisman night has correlated to fun fights.

 
Joshua apparently wants Haye, Parker, and VK in 2017. Which is good, because I think it's time for a step up. He carried Molina a bit imo, think he could've shut him down near the end of the first.

 
Great boxing day!  Fun to see Joshua get another KO.  Will watch Crawford telecast (including Ruiz fight) as it airs bcuz wife likes him and will record Showtime card (the better card IMO), so I won't be checking in til I've seen them all.  Enjoy

 
The Charlo KO was really impressive and I love the (unintentional) bad guy role he ended up playing. The boos and audience throwing trash at him- embrace it. #lionsonly

 
Literally nobody should care about this, and its 10 min on YouTube that I am never going to get back, but Chavez Jr's opponent this weekend, Dominik Britsch, was pretty clearly in there to take some punishment and not try anything funny, if you know what I mean.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Literally nobody should care about this, and its 10 min on YouTube that I am never going to get back, but Chavez Jr's opponent this weekend, Dominik Britsch, was pretty clearly in there to take some punishment and not try anything funny, if you know what I mean.
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There are talks of Chavez vs Canelo. There weight is too far off so it won't happen. I think it is just being floated to try and make Chavez seem relevant again.

 
Ilov80s said:
There are talks of Chavez vs Canelo. There weight is too far off so it won't happen. I think it is just being floated to try and make Chavez seem relevant again.
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He just isn't that good. But he's a fish, just like McGregor would be. Very high reward/risk ratio for either Alvarez at a catchweight, or GGG going up to 168, I think either would be happy to bomb him out and collect the nice payday.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
He just isn't that good. But he's a fish, just like McGregor would be. Very high reward/risk ratio for either Alvarez at a catchweight, or GGG going up to 168, I think either would be happy to bomb him out and collect the nice payday.
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Agree.  There had been talks of Chavez-Canelo back when both were Jr. Middles.  Then Chavez balooned and became a joke.  Other than one round vs Martinez, has never looked like a top-tier boxer.  At this point, he should happy to play B-side to a big name and get a good check.

 
Ilov80s said:
The Charlo KO was really impressive and I love the (unintentional) bad guy role he ended up playing. The boos and audience throwing trash at him- embrace it. #lionsonly
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Charlo was the MVP of the weekend.  Absolutely blasted J-Rock in what had been considered a 50-50 fight (I don't know how J got up from that uppercut shot), looked great all the way through, and showed some heel personality.  No disrespect to Crawford or Abner Mares or Joshua, all of whom impressed.  Great weekend!

Moving forward, will be completing an 8-hour day trip to get home in time for the Hopkins farewell.  I remember seeing B-Hop back on the old Tuesday Night Fights on USA and seeing the talent develop.  12 years later, saw his KO of De La Hoya in person at the MGM Grand.  And 12 years after THAT, he is finally retiring.  Unreal career, a true throwback and a bonafide top 5 all-time middleweight.  Salud!

 
Sad but excited to see my favorite boxer of all time B-Hop in his (maybe heh) last fight....Lets go X!

Odds are pretty close, hoping for a good fight

 
Hop was coming back a little after the first few rounds but damn, listening to him in the locker room I can't tell if he is in denial or concussed after getting KTFO of the ring. He is quite coherent in speaking but talking like he was pushed thru the ropes, which was clearly not the case.

 
Just got a chance to watch the B Hop fight.  Didnt want to see him go out like that.  Cards had it close.  But that was a legit knockout.  Either way, hes a legend. 

 
PinkydaPimp said:
Just got a chance to watch the B Hop fight.  Didnt want to see him go out like that.  Cards had it close.  But that was a legit knockout.  Either way, hes a legend. 
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I don't think it should've been scored that closely, Smith had the fight pretty well in hand. Hopkins had some nice moments, but I think his only path to victory was keeping it close and then getting a thank-you present from the judges.

Pretty nice year for Smith!

 
But for fight cards in Japan, the boxing year is pretty much over.  Who/what was;

* Fighter of the Year?

* Fight of the Year?

* KO of the year?

* Any other distinctions worthy of mention?

* Most appealing fight of 2017?

 
Keith R said:
But for fight cards in Japan, the boxing year is pretty much over.  Who/what was;

* Fighter of the Year?

* Fight of the Year?

* KO of the year?

* Any other distinctions worthy of mention?

* Most appealing fight of 2017?
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Fighter of the Year: Terrence Crawford. Dominated the #2 guy in his division, took care of business in two other fairly easy fights, and basically has 140 lbs. to himself. I don't think any other fighter is so head-and-shoulders above the rest of his division than Crawford, although GGG is close. Hopefully Pac takes him on this year, because there is nothing left to prove in his division.

Fight of the Year: Off the beaten path a bit, but for me it was Gonzalez/Cuadras. Beautiful, constant, highly-skilled action. No dramatic knockdowns or comebacks, not even an upset, or a controversial decision, just an incredible fight.

KO of the Year: Again probably off the beaten path, but Lomachenko's stoppage of Rocky Martinez. It wasn't a career-making ko like Smith Jr. or Indogos, nor was it as savage as some of the one-punch KO's (that N'Dam one from this past weekend, my lord), but it was two beautiful punches that was a testament to Hi-Tek's skill.

Division of the Year: Super featherweight. A big upset with Corrales beating Uchiyama and a rematch this year, a war between Salido and Vargas, Lomachenko becoming a star in the sport and landing on p4p lists with two bravura performances. Brawlers, skillful boxers, promising up-and-comers, there are a lot of interesting fights that can be made from this division. And it looks like lomachenko/salido II is being kicked about for 2017. Honorable mention: Cruiserweight.

Bum of the Year: Adrien Broner. Probably going to be Broner again next year, too. Had one fight this year against a non-threatening Ashley Theophane, and couldn't even make weight for it. Dealt with myriad legal issues, and turned down SIX MILLION to have Pac hand his ### to him. Cash-in is what he should've done, so of course cash-in is not what he did. Honorable mention: Roc Nation Sports.

Personal Highlight of the Year: Ward over Kovalev. Not the most lovable fighter ever, but he's a hometown guy, and his fight against Krusher was fascinating, even if it lacked the fireworks of some other big matchups this year. I was at a bar with other Ward fans, and waiting for the scores was incredibly tense. I had it scored for Ward by 1, like the judges, but again I'm biased. Hopefully we get the sequel.

Upset of the Year: Smith over Fonfara. 

Narrative of the Year: The ascendance of the UK in the boxing world, which, IMO, is going to serve to start pulling the sport back upwards, I think 2016 was the year it hit bottom and is still reeling from Mayweather/Pacquiao. I considered giving Joshua FOTY, not for what he's done in the ring, but for how huge he's gotten without a major fight to his credit yet.

Looking forward to most in 2017 (confirmed): Thurman/Garcia

Looking forward to most in 2017 (SUPPOSED to happen): C'mon, do I even have to say?

Looking forward to most in 2017 (a guy can dream): Chocolatito vs. Inoue

Prospect I'm most looking forward to seeing in 2017: Oscar Valdez.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Fighter of the Year: Terrence Crawford. Dominated the #2 guy in his division, took care of business in two other fairly easy fights, and basically has 140 lbs. to himself. I don't think any other fighter is so head-and-shoulders above the rest of his division than Crawford, although GGG is close. Hopefully Pac takes him on this year, because there is nothing left to prove in his division.

Fight of the Year: Off the beaten path a bit, but for me it was Gonzalez/Cuadras. Beautiful, constant, highly-skilled action. No dramatic knockdowns or comebacks, not even an upset, or a controversial decision, just an incredible fight.

KO of the Year: Again probably off the beaten path, but Lomachenko's stoppage of Rocky Martinez. It wasn't a career-making ko like Smith Jr. or Indogos, nor was it as savage as some of the one-punch KO's (that N'Dam one from this past weekend, my lord), but it was two beautiful punches that was a testament to Hi-Tek's skill.

Division of the Year: Super featherweight. A big upset with Corrales beating Uchiyama and a rematch this year, a war between Salido and Vargas, Lomachenko becoming a star in the sport and landing on p4p lists with two bravura performances. Brawlers, skillful boxers, promising up-and-comers, there are a lot of interesting fights that can be made from this division. And it looks like lomachenko/salido II is being kicked about for 2017. Honorable mention: Cruiserweight.

Bum of the Year: Adrien Broner. Probably going to be Broner again next year, too. Had one fight this year against a non-threatening Ashley Theophane, and couldn't even make weight for it. Dealt with myriad legal issues, and turned down SIX MILLION to have Pac hand his ### to him. Cash-in is what he should've done, so of course cash-in is not what he did. Honorable mention: Roc Nation Sports.

Personal Highlight of the Year: Ward over Kovalev. Not the most lovable fighter ever, but he's a hometown guy, and his fight against Krusher was fascinating, even if it lacked the fireworks of some other big matchups this year. I was at a bar with other Ward fans, and waiting for the scores was incredibly tense. I had it scored for Ward by 1, like the judges, but again I'm biased. Hopefully we get the sequel.

Upset of the Year: Smith over Fonfara. 

Narrative of the Year: The ascendance of the UK in the boxing world, which, IMO, is going to serve to start pulling the sport back upwards, I think 2016 was the year it hit bottom and is still reeling from Mayweather/Pacquiao. I considered giving Joshua FOTY, not for what he's done in the ring, but for how huge he's gotten without a major fight to his credit yet.

Looking forward to most in 2017 (confirmed): Thurman/Garcia

Looking forward to most in 2017 (SUPPOSED to happen): C'mon, do I even have to say?

Looking forward to most in 2017 (a guy can dream): Chocolatito vs. Inoue

Prospect I'm most looking forward to seeing in 2017: Oscar Valdez.
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Good choices.  Here are my picks;

Fighter of the Year- Carl Frampton.  He largely nullified Quigg in what was considered a pickem in a huge U.K. event, then followed that up by going up in weight to upset Leo Santa Cruz in a great action fight on U.S. soil.  Both Quigg and Santa Cruz had been undefeated.

Fight of the Year- no true standout but I lean towards the aforementioned Frampton-Santa Cruz fight.  Fortunately, we will be getting a rematch in early 2017.

KO of the Year- Going early with Deontay Wilder over the game but overmatched Szpilka. Had been an unexpectedly entertaining fight up til then but the KO was brutal.

Division of the Year- I can't argue with Jr Lightweight.  I'll throw in an honorable mention for Welterweight, with Thurman-Porter, Pacquaio's return and Spence's emergence, but it could have been much more.

Favorite Moment of the Year- Crawford over Postol to cement his elite status.  If this guy could've staued out of legal trouble, he could've easily been a crossover star.

Upset- agree with Smith-Fonfora

Narrative of the Year- What the fans didn't get.  GGG-Canelo didn't happen, nor did a Fury defense, a Mayweather return (not necessarily a bad thing, though mainstream media would disagree), Pac-Crawford, Garcia-Thurman, and so on.  Hopefully big fights will be the norm in 2017, not the exception.

Looking forward to in 2017-

(confirmed) Love Frampton-Santa Cruz II, but for diversity's sake, will go Joshua-Klitchko.  Joshua is money and this should mark his true arrival, but the wily vet can still be dangerous.

(expected) I guess I have to give the stock answer here too.

(hoped for) After Joshua-Klitchko in April, I would LOVE to see Joshua-Wilder late in the year.

And while I wouldnt call him a prospect, I want to see Errol Spence rise to true prominence this year (though Kell Brook could derail that).

 
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Beterbiev cruised again tonight with a KO1 against Isidro Prieto, his 12th stoppage in as many fights. He's a really interesting guy to watch. His pro career is light, but he's got so much amateur experience that they're probably going to start throwing him right in the deep end, a la Usyk or Lomachenko.

Hot take, but think he'd be live against Kovalev or Ward. Might not win, but I wouldn't write him off completely against either.

 
Inoue over Kono KO6. Had it scored 49-46 for Inoue, Kono was pretty gallant the whole way through and had some moments where he was definitely out-scoring Inoue, at the same time I don't think Monster was ever in any real trouble. Noticed that Inoue seemed more comfortable blocking punches with his guard high than slipping/ducking and then countering. Looked like he just figured out Kono's timing towards the end of the fight and was able to bring his power to bear, with predictable results. First time Kono's ever been stopped.

 
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Inoue over Kono KO6. Had it scored 49-46 for Inoue, Kono was pretty gallant the whole way through and had some moments where he was definitely out-scoring Inoue, at the same time I don't think Monster was ever in any real trouble. Noticed that Inoue seemed more comfortable blocking punches with his guard high than slipping/ducking and then countering. Looked like he just figured out Kono's timing towards the end of the fight and was able to bring his power to bear, with predictable results. First time Kono's ever been stopped.
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Only saw the final round.  Inoue is a phenom.  Hope he fights Chocolatito in 2017

 
Keith R said:
Only saw the final round.  Inoue is a phenom.  Hope he fights Chocolatito in 2017
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Gotta be honest, if I were managing him, I'd probably hold off on Gonzalez for maybe another year, and try to get him in some tough spots before he got to Chocolatito. Go to the UK and fight Yafai in a unification in front of a hostile crowd. Maybe move up and fight Yamanaka, that would be a massive fight in Japan. There's no shortage of tough fights in that division, and credit to him, he's going right into the fire.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Gotta be honest, if I were managing him, I'd probably hold off on Gonzalez for maybe another year, and try to get him in some tough spots before he got to Chocolatito. Go to the UK and fight Yafai in a unification in front of a hostile crowd. Maybe move up and fight Yamanaka, that would be a massive fight in Japan. There's no shortage of tough fights in that division, and credit to him, he's going right into the fire.
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I honestly think Chocolatito has peaked.  He's still great but between aging a bit and rising in weight, he's not quite what he was.  I think Inoue takes him.

 
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