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***Official Sweet Science Thread*** (3 Viewers)

Keith R said:
I honestly think Chocolatito has peaked.  He's still great but between aging a bit and rising in weight, he's not quite what he was.  I think Inoue takes him.
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He's got a lot of wear on his tires for 29. But to be fair, Inoue has not faced anyone on the level of Cuadras or Estrada.

Still, there are some hitters at 115. Who loses first, GGG or Chocolatito?

 
Good Posting Judge said:
He's got a lot of wear on his tires for 29. But to be fair, Inoue has not faced anyone on the level of Cuadras or Estrada.

Still, there are some hitters at 115. Who loses first, GGG or Chocolatito?
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I saw Chocolatito.  He's slightly past his peak, above his natural weight and 115 is loaded.  Plus the top 115ers aren't running in terror from him (nor he from them).

 
tdoss said:
Chico loses first.

Who even wants to get in the ring with GGG at any weight?
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I'm kinda of the opinion that Canelo would give him more problems than people are anticipating...but its still yet to be seen if he'll actually get in there. But yeah, GGG has to really scrape to find a decent opponent. He could go to 175!

 
Betfair and Paddy Power open a line on Canelo/JCC at -1400/+700. Think those are even longer odds than Smith or Khan.  I'd bet Canelo KO at -250 or better, but might be sitting this one out.

 
scoobygang said:
Steve Tasker said:
Update: Dominique Alexander vs Shannon Briggs on MSG right now - middleweightsAggressive first round, both guys come out firing. I've heard of Shannon Briggs, but know nothing about him. Anyone?ETA - this is actually the undercard....those guys are the main event....not sure who these guys are....
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There was heavyweight Shannon Briggs who was a contender a few years ago. I don't know of the middleweight.
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LETS GO CHAMP!

 
Pacquiao/Horn official for April 23 (24?) in Australia. Think there's a chance that he's going to be put in easy for the rest of his career, coast on his body of work, and collect checks for UD'ing credible-but-not-threatening opposition. Apparently he almost went broke after the Mayweather fight, hence his return.

Pac -500, Horn +333. 

 
Great performance in the Pedraza-Davis undercard fight!  This Gervonta Davis could go places- a beltholder now at 22 years old.

DeGale vs Jack next!

 
Keith R said:
Great performance in the Pedraza-Davis undercard fight!  This Gervonta Davis could go places- a beltholder now at 22 years old.

DeGale vs Jack next!
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No clue what Pedraza was doing fighting southpaw, he was eating a lot punches from the beginning. After he took that body shot in 6, think that pretty much sealed it.

 
Great fight!  Overall seemed like Jack did a little better but round-by-round agree with the majority as I also had it 113-113. 

Only shame is that the draw deprives us of a new linear champion being crowned.  Hopefully, they agree to a rematch and stay at 168 for it.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
great fight...lots of heart in that ring
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I had it 113-113. Great stuff to start the year, can't fault anyone having it narrow for Jack or narrow for DeGale. 

Mayweather's a complete buffoon, shocking opinion, I know. It was a great fight, and while not utterly satisfying to get a victor, you can set up a rematch in the UK and rake in a boatload for everybody. Fairly certain that's what Hearn was thinking about. Instead he's insisting that Jack's moving too big and moving to 175...for what? He can't hang on for like another four months?

ETA: Just basically said everything Keith R said.

 
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Good card.  Look forward to see more gervote davis.  also thought that Jack De Gale decision was good.  I dont think we will see the rematch though i hope we do. 

 
God was boxing in a dry stretch, but last night was a storm of great fights! Davis was the star of the night for sure. 

 
Ilov80s said:
God was boxing in a dry stretch, but last night was a storm of great fights! Davis was the star of the night for sure. 
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Hate to take any of the guy's shine but Pedraza was lousy. Credit to Davis for seizing the opportunity.

It'll be interesting to see how Mayweather handles a 22 yo with a belt in a division that has Lomachenko at the top (who Davis is obviously not ready for), and rife with brawlers. It might be good to keep him out of real harm's way for a bit and pick spots, build up his hometown following, etc. 

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Hate to take any of the guy's shine but Pedraza was lousy. Credit to Davis for seizing the opportunity.

It'll be interesting to see how Mayweather handles a 22 yo with a belt in a division that has Lomachenko at the top (who Davis is obviously not ready for), and rife with brawlers. It might be good to keep him out of real harm's way for a bit and pick spots, build up his hometown following, etc. 
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I don't see a Top Rank-Al Haymon reunion for this fight, which is good for Davis.  It would take a fight with lots of $$$ or a mandatory to bring those sides together.  I'm hoping for Pacquaio vs the winner of Thurman-Garcia, but if Pac's willing to fight the likes of Jeff Horn on a world tour, seems like he won't push himself against the upper-tier welters.

 
Two really strong cards this weekend, especially Showtime's. 

Word of warning: there are gifs of Amir Khan showing off his weiner on Twitter. Not as bad, talks for a fight with Brook have broken down after Khan demanded 70-30 and Hearn/Brook passed. Bad news is that it immediately deprives the boxing world of seeing Khan getting stretched. Good news is that it might set up Brook vs. Spence, as Spence is Brook's mandatory. Brook's apparently having a tough time stay down at 147, but Spence or Khan would do pretty good business in the UK. Brook/Jermall would be pretty great if he moved up.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Francisco Vargas is a warrior, but man I hope he takes a long break. That was rough to watch.

Think I'd take Garcia, easily, over anyone else at 135 rn.
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+1

Took some SHOTS and kept going. Tough as nails but can't keep doing it like that.

Fight before that one was good, too.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
This baranchyk/ramos fight on shobox is like a rocky movie.
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Baranchyk swings from his heels. Whiffed and left himself open so many times, but Ramos just not skilled enough to capitalize. Ramos did really good work at distance, but just got beat up when he worked inside.

Probably not enough to be FOTY, but about as good as it gets for an Oklahoma casino fight on Shobox.

 
We've seen this type of stuff before and have seen it flame out, but...

Conor McGregor vs Floyd Mayweather seems to be gaining steam. Personally, I never thought it would happen. We'll see. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Wow. If I was Mayweather, I would run to get the contract signed. 
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If Mayweather really stepped on the gas, he could have him out of there pretty quickly. He obviously doesn't have one-shot power, but he could steadily break down McGregor pretty easily.

It bums me out that far more people will see this than Thurman/Garcia or Brook/Spence.

 
Broner squeaks past a journeyman at home. Granados seemed to tire down the stretch, and probably lost it trying to fight in the phone booth, where Broner ripped him pretty good. But he was able to close the distance pretty easily against Broner's non-existent jab and wild left hooks/right uppercuts. 

If Granados had pressed, and once he got in close either clinched or pushed Broner back and reset, think he could've nicked it. Judges were probably Broner-tilted, but think he did enough to where a SD doesn't smell too bad.

He shoulda taken the $6mm from Pacquiao. From here he can probably get a fight with a name welterweight because he'll be easy pickings for a Garcia/Thurman/Spence/Brook and he'll bring in views, but I don't think he has any real shot at holding a legit belt at 147.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Broner squeaks past a journeyman at home. Granados seemed to tire down the stretch, and probably lost it trying to fight in the phone booth, where Broner ripped him pretty good. But he was able to close the distance pretty easily against Broner's non-existent jab and wild left hooks/right uppercuts. 

If Granados had pressed, and once he got in close either clinched or pushed Broner back and reset, think he could've nicked it. Judges were probably Broner-tilted, but think he did enough to where a SD doesn't smell too bad.

He shoulda taken the $6mm from Pacquiao. From here he can probably get a fight with a name welterweight because he'll be easy pickings for a Garcia/Thurman/Spence/Brook and he'll bring in views, but I don't think he has any real shot at holding a legit belt at 147.
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Broner claimed to have hurt his left hand early, thus, no jab. Although boring, I can respect a defensive fighter like Mayweather. I can't stand to watch a guy like Broner who clinches every five seconds. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Broner claimed to have hurt his left hand early, thus, no jab. Although boring, I can respect a defensive fighter like Mayweather. I can't stand to watch a guy like Broner who clinches every five seconds. 
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He doesn't jab a lot, think he averages like two connects per round. Mostly it seems like it's just for show, or he's leading with it for the 1-2 times he really presses the action per round.

This dummy made $1m this fight, $1m last fight. He turned down FORTY MILLION over 5 years from Roc Nation, and 6 mil to fight Pacquiao. 

 
Pac looks like he's ready to back out of his fight with Horn to fight in the UAE instead, presumably for an absurd amount of money, presumably against Khan. This could be the apex (or nadir) of boxing's upside-down economics.

I mean, besides the Irish guy who isn't actually a boxer, making his debut and likely landing the second-biggest purse of the year, behind the guy he's fighting.

 
Horn makes no sense as an opponent.  I'd much rather see Pac-Khan.  Probably too much to hope he follows that up with a match vs Crawford or winner of either Thurman-Garcia or Brook-Spence.  There is so much that could be made of the welterweight division alone, it's unreal.

 
Keith R said:
Horn makes no sense as an opponent.  I'd much rather see Pac-Khan.  Probably too much to hope he follows that up with a match vs Crawford or winner of either Thurman-Garcia or Brook-Spence.  There is so much that could be made of the welterweight division alone, it's unreal.
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Pacquiao's back strictly for the money. He apparently burns through a ton, and even after the Mayweather haul he still wasn't set set. It's pretty clear that his MO isn't necessarily to unify a division, or the glory of fighting the best at the division, he's collecting paychecks and staying out of the way of any real trouble. Bradley, Vargas, Horn/Khan, nobody there really has much chance to stretch him. 

Pac/Khan doesn't make much sense for us as American fight fans. It makes a helluva lot of sense for Khan, who's really only there to trade on his name/"brand" to make big fights and gets to fight in the Middle East, and for Pac, who's just looking for the highest money:risk ratio. 

I think it's going to end up being Khan this time around (and to be honest, in an Arab country, and with Pacquiao's power a thing of the past, you can't rule out a Khan screw-job decision).  And then he's going to look to either rematch Khan in the second half of the year in the UK, or make a fight with Broner. ####, I think all of the top fighters at 147 are going to be calling Broner.  

 
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