i agree that westbrook is extremely valuable. it's going to be even more difficult to reestablish the run when your main weapon in the passing game, especially the main deep threat, is now gone. the eagles have proven in the past that they can get to atleast the championship game without t.o., and i think they can beat atlanta in that championship game again without t.o. because that defense is still fast enough to shut down vick.however that offense is significantly better with t.o.. they may not win the division without t.o.
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FairWarning
Footballguy
Not exactly the best thing for his agent's rep either.
RoarinSonoran
Footballguy
If any of us "normal" people pulled this sort of crap in our "normal" jobs, we'd be fired. The NFL needs to grow a pair and tell TO to go flip burgers for a living.
drew didn't throw any punches. when t.o. gets a great deal with a team that's a contender next year, drew will look like a miracle worker. there are coaches so arrogant that they automatically think they can take a guy like t.o. and keep him under control. mike shanahan in denver is like that. dennis green in arizona is like that, but az doesn't need any more wideouts. i think herm edwards and the jets could take him as well, owens, coles, mcariens??? that would be deadly.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I agree. But if he is not a team player and causing a disruption and division in the locker room, the Eagles have no choice. Biggest mistake was them even taking him in the first place. I never thought he was like that (even with the SF bs), but now that he has done this to two teams, that will really hurt his rep.All Eagles can hope for is to make the playoffs and go from there.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Ego and Pride are fine as long as they don't rule your every action. the same ego that makes TO great is same ego which causes him to not understand it is not all about him and his feelings. If you think being calculating is fake then I will let you be real. the real answer is that you have to ge along with others in certain situation and a football "team" is one of them. If that means holding your tongue, then hold it.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I hope Houston picks him up.
i don't attribute negative connotations to the word fake. i think we are in agreement on that issue, only divided over my choice of language.
t.o. has been setup to fail this season. he has people (that don't play) accusing him of faking an injury, basically challenging his dedication to the team. why is hugh douglass not the villain here? why shouldn't t.o. stand up for himself here? this is a guy that doesn't even play, is lucky philly gave him a job at all, in the injury room confronting t.o...douglass is out of line.mcnabb says "if you aren't with me" and t.o. keeps quiet? did everyone else stand up or raise their hand or something? why does t.o. have to stand up or do something special? why is mcnabb calling team meetings if all he really wants to do is send a message to t.o.? of that's right, he was sending his message to t.o. in front of the team; like, "these guys are all with me, not you, #######..."seriously, why is t.o. the villain here?
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Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
This attitude is that of a 16 year old, see post that you replied to.
FairWarning
Footballguy
The money each team makes from jerseys is a pittance compared to the TV money they make.About his agent - he will not get him the deal that TO thinks. Drew didn't throw any punches, but he has to go into full spin mode now to make TO as attractive as possible to other teams. Sorry to say, NFL owners don't throw out multi-million $$ contracts to over-30 WRs, even with TO's skills.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Maybe they'd win another game this year...I hope Houston picks him up.
FairWarning
Footballguy
What is ESPN asked McNabb Would the Eagles be undefeated with Steve Smith as your go-to receiver?
we're arguing the semantics of language. people have negative connotations associated with the word fake, so they say "hiding your true feelings isn't fake it''s strategic"i'd go so far as to say it's prideful for people to not admit that they will be fake and manipulative when it's beneficial. the only difference between this and any other type of scam or con or manipulation is that the intent is not to injure others but for the collective benefit.
that would be an amusing question seeing as t.o. is having a great year, and carolina's record is about the same as philly's anyway. they were lucky to beat arizona. well as lucky as intercepting josh mcown in the end zone can be, so i guess not that lucky...the main problem with the favre/mcnabb comparison is favre is 1-6 or whatever and had just thrown 5 or 6 int's the week before. so it's almost a disrespectful comparison as favre isn't getting it done. smith is, as is t.o.
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warhawk511
Footballguy
He's not stupid - what in the world do you base that on?
coolnerd
Footballguy
On first, part thanks for the clarification...seems to be one the probelm with the "social manipulation" called language,
Really, TO is the villian because TO has always been the "villian" More than evil, I think TO does not understand situation or may perfectly understand the situation and has chosen a path anyway. I assume that we would agree that TO has more to it than it seems and some things that many would deny as influencing their view of him.Anyway, I am off this board for awhile...it's been "real"
Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
I'm not sure what you're saying. TO has only tried to hurt his team because he didn't get what he wanted. Somehow, he's deluded enough to think that another team will want him for more than the minimum next year. That's all there is to it.
Tom Collins
Footballguy
They did fine without him, they just couldn't score. McNabb had over 300 yards, Brown had what, 97 yards and a 50+ TD replacing him? They just kept coming up short. After this performance, I think they'll do fine without him.Remember, the Eagles went to the NFC Championship Game I believe 3 times before TO even came to the team. And last year, he didn't help them get to the Super Bowl, they did it without him. McNabb has done fine in past years without TO, that shouldn't change. He did fine tonight. They seemed like the burden had been lifted off their shoulders tonight as it's one of the few times I've seen McNabb smiling and having fun playing.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Oh yeah. That would be great. How long would it take before TO starts saying that he wished he had a real QB instead of a hair model?I hope Houston picks him up.
Sam Quentin
Footballguy
remember, they went on to those championship games in part because of a dominating defense and a solid running game. They have neither now.
Sorry to get off the topic but the WASH D is pretty good that may also be a reason they did not score enough. TO is a cancer. He presents more risk than reward. Anyone who wants to fight with his own teammates should not be playing on that team. I think that is just common sense. I think the packers will take TO in a second though if he is released.
Owens is ######ed. Period.
azcards33
Footballguy
T.O. the instigator
STEVE YOUNG SAYS RECEIVER BURNING NFL BRIDGES
By John Ryan
Mercury News
Former 49ers teammates were shocked that Terrell Owens brawled with a former defensive lineman, who outweighed him by 55 pounds, and threatened to take on the whole team.
Why'd T.O. go after such a little guy?
Gary Plummer, the 49ers' former linebacker and current radio man, alluded on the air to a near-brawl he broke up in the locker room in 1997. We caught up to him after the game, and he elaborated.
The combatants: Terrell Owens, a second-year receiver listed at 6-foot-2 and 213 pounds, and Kevin Gogan, the truly offensive lineman who was listed at 6-7 and 325 (but Plummer put him at 355) and was named Sports Illustrated's dirtiest player a year later.
``When you're giving up 125 pounds to somebody, it's not real smart,'' Plummer said Sunday. ``Kevin kept trying to play it off. T.O. really pushed it. He kept getting in Kevin's face. Gogan said, `Let's do this.' ''
So if you're in the ever-expanding camp that believes all T.O. needed was someone to knock some sense into him way back when, blame Gary Plummer that it didn't happen. He said he couldn't remember what caused the dispute, only that it started on the practice field and boiled over in the locker room. He doesn't recall punches being thrown. And, he adds, it could have been much uglier: ``Fortunately, it was clothed.''
But make no mistake about one thing.
``T.O. instigated the fight,'' Plummer said, ``and he instigated the fight against Hugh Douglas. That's what people need to know. He is not the victim.''
Advice from Young
That was a big theme Sunday. On ESPN, Steve Young discussed how Owens' feeling of ``victimization'' prevents him from working out problems. He followed with a heartfelt and eloquent plea. (Incidentally, sitting next to Michael Irvin does for Young's eloquence what standing next to Bob Cousy did for Wilt Chamberlain's height.)
``We all have flaws in our personalities, everybody,'' Young said. ``But this flaw in his personality could cost him a Hall of Fame career, and that's the thing that, really, I think gets me the most, because I knew him as a young player.''
He added: ``Now I see the devolving of a career that I'm worried so easily could be a Hall of Fame career, and because of this flaw, we can't fix these dynamic adult relationships. My emotions are kind of deep about it.''
Ruining good moves
Plummer, too, isn't to be dismissed as one of those old-school guys who was never going to understand The Sharpie Kid. They used to eat breakfast together on the road. When Plummer's teenage son lost an eye in a gun accident four years ago, Owens dedicated the game to Garrett, then caught a touchdown pass and gave him the game ball.
Even before then, Owens was Garrett's favorite player. Now he has a jersey and a game ball and doesn't know what to do with them.
``He said, `I don't look up to him,' '' Plummer said.
STEVE YOUNG SAYS RECEIVER BURNING NFL BRIDGES
By John Ryan
Mercury News
Former 49ers teammates were shocked that Terrell Owens brawled with a former defensive lineman, who outweighed him by 55 pounds, and threatened to take on the whole team.
Why'd T.O. go after such a little guy?
Gary Plummer, the 49ers' former linebacker and current radio man, alluded on the air to a near-brawl he broke up in the locker room in 1997. We caught up to him after the game, and he elaborated.
The combatants: Terrell Owens, a second-year receiver listed at 6-foot-2 and 213 pounds, and Kevin Gogan, the truly offensive lineman who was listed at 6-7 and 325 (but Plummer put him at 355) and was named Sports Illustrated's dirtiest player a year later.
``When you're giving up 125 pounds to somebody, it's not real smart,'' Plummer said Sunday. ``Kevin kept trying to play it off. T.O. really pushed it. He kept getting in Kevin's face. Gogan said, `Let's do this.' ''
So if you're in the ever-expanding camp that believes all T.O. needed was someone to knock some sense into him way back when, blame Gary Plummer that it didn't happen. He said he couldn't remember what caused the dispute, only that it started on the practice field and boiled over in the locker room. He doesn't recall punches being thrown. And, he adds, it could have been much uglier: ``Fortunately, it was clothed.''
But make no mistake about one thing.
``T.O. instigated the fight,'' Plummer said, ``and he instigated the fight against Hugh Douglas. That's what people need to know. He is not the victim.''
Advice from Young
That was a big theme Sunday. On ESPN, Steve Young discussed how Owens' feeling of ``victimization'' prevents him from working out problems. He followed with a heartfelt and eloquent plea. (Incidentally, sitting next to Michael Irvin does for Young's eloquence what standing next to Bob Cousy did for Wilt Chamberlain's height.)
``We all have flaws in our personalities, everybody,'' Young said. ``But this flaw in his personality could cost him a Hall of Fame career, and that's the thing that, really, I think gets me the most, because I knew him as a young player.''
He added: ``Now I see the devolving of a career that I'm worried so easily could be a Hall of Fame career, and because of this flaw, we can't fix these dynamic adult relationships. My emotions are kind of deep about it.''
Ruining good moves
Plummer, too, isn't to be dismissed as one of those old-school guys who was never going to understand The Sharpie Kid. They used to eat breakfast together on the road. When Plummer's teenage son lost an eye in a gun accident four years ago, Owens dedicated the game to Garrett, then caught a touchdown pass and gave him the game ball.
Even before then, Owens was Garrett's favorite player. Now he has a jersey and a game ball and doesn't know what to do with them.
``He said, `I don't look up to him,' '' Plummer said.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Where are JAA and Otis to claim that all this is the media's fault?
