*** Official T.O. Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[BlueOnion]

If you judge him solely on his production on the field, I would say he is on pace to be a lock. But these things get so muddy with off field perception and such. What are T.O.'s chances of getting a HOF nod?I say he doesn't get in, though I would vote him in if I had a vote.

 

[prosopis]

He might have a shot at the hall of shame.

 

[JohnnyU]

Of course he has a shot at the TO Hall of Fame.Edited to say NO

 

[Koya]

If you judge him solely on his production on the field, I would say he is on pace to be a lock. But these things get so muddy with off field perception and such. What are T.O.'s chances of getting a HOF nod?

I say he doesn't get in, though I would vote him in if I had a vote.

Off Field Perception?The guy is a cancer to such a degree, it negatively impacts on field performance as a team. To ignore this fact is to not have proper context. TO might very well be the single biggest reason the Eagles fail this year - so I would hardly call this either perception, or off field.

 

[suchislife]

One of the reasons for the 5 year waiting period is for the emotions to fade. Is he a 1st ballot guy? Probably not, but I think his stats will get him there eventually.

 

[-OZ-]

If this were baseball, he'd be in.NFL? I think he should be, although there will be critics saying otherwise. I think he will, but not first ballot.

 

[pinequick]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall? (Serious question)

 

[kevthegrad]

If you judge him solely on his production on the field, I would say he is on pace to be a lock. But these things get so muddy with off field perception and such. What are T.O.'s chances of getting a HOF nod?

I say he doesn't get in, though I would vote him in if I had a vote.

I think he's in, no questions asked.He may be a class 1 a hole (and there is no question, he is) but his play on the field combined with the number of 49er and Eagle jerseys (probably a few Ravens too! ha) with his name on them floating around just ensure he's a lock. I mean he's not done...he probably has at least 3 GOOD years left in him if he doesn't manage to alienate every franchise in the league. He will be somewhere putting up ungodly numbers for another few years. He's in....no question.

 

[Koya]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall? (Serious question)

Did they have as negative an impact on his teams ability to win (and be a winning franchise) as TO?

 

[gman8343]

If Tim Brown gets in, no way TO shouldn't get in - he's twice the player Brown was.

 

[BlueOnion]

Here are some aspects that make this question interesting to me:1) He will most likely have the numbers2) The HOF club is a pretty prissy group of guys and don't seem willing to let anyone in their club3) TO has thrown Mooch, Knapp, Ray Lewis, D-Mac under the bus (publicly)Who votes on the HOF, if I recall I think it is current HOF inductees. If so, this would be a huge negative for TO, especially the older guys who overly preach honor and going to war with your teammates.

 

[JohnnyU]

Here are some aspects that make this question interesting to me:

1) He will most likely have the numbers

2) The HOF club is a pretty prissy group of guys and don't seem willing to let anyone in their club

3) TO has thrown Mooch, Knapp, Ray Lewis, D-Mac under the bus (publicly)

Who votes on the HOF, if I recall I think it is current HOF inductees. If so, this would be a huge negative for TO, especially the older guys who overly preach honor and going to war with your teammates.

 

[pinequick]

Who votes on the HOF, if I recall I think it is current HOF inductees. If so, this would be a huge negative for TO, especially the older guys who overly preach honor and going to war with your teammates.

I know Peter King has a vote. I'm pretty sure it's sportswriters (for the first few years), THEN a veteran's committee

 

[suchislife]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall? (Serious question)

Personally I'd rather see a self-important jerk who is arguably the best at his position during his playing days than players who admittedly took drugs (coke). I'll never have as much respect for LT (the original) than I will for Reggie White. We'll never know how many of LT's sacks were helped by a feeling of painlessness.

 

[Sabertooth]

LT got in didn't he?

 

[kingmalaki]

LT got in didn't he?

Basically....TO might be a jerk, but I don't recall him getting into trouble off the field (beating women, doing drugs, etc).

His PLAY should get him into the hall.

 

[BlueOnion]

Is anybody willing to speculate who he would ask to present him and what he might actually say?"This Hall of Fame was a pile of crap before they voted me in. Nothin but a bunch of over-the-hill crusties walking around in #### yellow jackets. Check out this beutiful black one I got.":StarDancePose:

 

[Bull Dozier]

Dude will the have numbers no doubt. If he has two more mediocre seasons, he'll be top ten all time in receiving TDs, overall TDs, receiving yards, and receptions. Take a look at the other guys who are on all of those lists and tell me which of those don't belong in the HOF. Attitude or not.Anyone who has a claim (ie, it can at least be argued) to be the best WR in the game for as long as he has been, and has the numbers to back it up, deserves to be in the Hall.

 

[zoonation]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall?  (Serious question)

Did they have as negative an impact on his teams ability to win (and be a winning franchise) as TO?

you're joking right? Quick, name how many losing teams TO has been on in his career.I can think of 1 season in his entire career.

 

[ExaltedOne]

Here's why he'll be in the Hall.1. He'll have the numbers.2. He talked the talk. Like it or not he's one of the biggest stars in all of sports let alone football. Remember it's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Nice Guys.3. 5-10 years after he retires, people will remember his NAME and see his numbers and he will get in. They won't remember the stupid BS that came out of his mouth every week.

 

[BoulderBob]

one more decent season and he is a no-brainer...

 

[Koya]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall?  (Serious question)

Personally I'd rather see a self-important jerk who is arguably the best at his position during his playing days than players who admittedly took drugs (coke). I'll never have as much respect for LT (the original) than I will for Reggie White. We'll never know how many of LT's sacks were helped by a feeling of painlessness.

Never understood this tact. However LT failed people in his personal life, he was a vital, important and positive force on every team he played. In the context of "football only" he was a great part of any team - one of the greatest ever. Helped his team win, immensely.

TO's behavior is absolutely detrimental overall to the team - meaning you can make an arguement that he actually hurts their ability to win games because of his huge divisive dont care at all about his teamates attitude.

 

[Koya]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall?  (Serious question)

Did they have as negative an impact on his teams ability to win (and be a winning franchise) as TO?

you're joking right? Quick, name how many losing teams TO has been on in his career.I can think of 1 season in his entire career.

Joking?TO is singlehandedly bringing down the Eagles ship. Yeah, they have weaknesses, but he has been a negative force since the year begun... beforehand even.

So yes, his actions have hurt his team far more than helped this year imo. A great team is splitting at the seems and without TO, I do not see that happening. Especially if they had a player that was 80% of TO on the field without the negative actions in the lockeroom.

 

[Koya]

he is a no-brain

Can't argue with this.

 

[BigJim®]

He absolutely deserves it as a player but for some reason I don't like his chances at anything he needs to be voted into. Well, other than biggest ### that is.

 

[boltjeff]

I would treat him as the same as Michael Irvin. Both guys have no clue what comes out of their mouths. Irvin didnt get in in his first year, so I dont think TO will either.

 

[Routilla]

If he ends up with the numbers he might get in, but I bet he has to wait a few years AFTER eligibility. Perhaps if he apologizes for being such an arsehole and admitting that he put himself before his team etc...he will get in sooner. All in all it would not hurt my feelings if he does not ever get in. Guys like him are bad for the league. THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!!!What do you guys think the great coaches in history would have done with him? I say TO rides a lot of bench for the Halas', Lombardi's, Landry's etc.Bottom line: TO would not have survived in the league BEFORE free agency took over. He would have been told to keep his mouth shut and support his team or get used to the bench. Now a days any player that is not getting what he wants can basically get a trade instead of grow up and handle their business like men.

 

[jwvdcw]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall?  (Serious question)

Did they have as negative an impact on his teams ability to win (and be a winning franchise) as TO?

you're joking right? Quick, name how many losing teams TO has been on in his career.I can think of 1 season in his entire career.

great posting. How exactly did the 49ers do after he left? How many super bowls had the Eagles been to before he got there?

 

[jwvdcw]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall?  (Serious question)

Did they have as negative an impact on his teams ability to win (and be a winning franchise) as TO?

you're joking right? Quick, name how many losing teams TO has been on in his career.I can think of 1 season in his entire career.

Joking?TO is singlehandedly bringing down the Eagles ship. Yeah, they have weaknesses, but he has been a negative force since the year begun... beforehand even.

So yes, his actions have hurt his team far more than helped this year imo. A great team is splitting at the seems and without TO, I do not see that happening. Especially if they had a player that was 80% of TO on the field without the negative actions in the lockeroom.

Totally disagree here. McNabb's injury, and subsequent refusal to sit are hurting that team a lot more. If McNabb were healthy, that team would be a lot better.Their lack of a running game is also hurting them a lot.

TO isn't really hurting them at all. Nobody is playing poorly because of TO. How exactly is he hurting them? He is still playing great in the middle of all of this.

 

[jwvdcw]

I would treat him as the same as Michael Irvin. Both guys have no clue what comes out of their mouths. Irvin didnt get in in his first year, so I dont think TO will either.

except for the fact that Irvin played with a HOF QB, a HOF RB, and perhaps the greatest o-line of all time and still couldn't come close to TO's numbers.Irvin = good WR.

TO = great WR.

 

[jwvdcw]

If he ends up with the numbers he might get in, but I bet he has to wait a few years AFTER eligibility. Perhaps if he apologizes for being such an arsehole and admitting that he put himself before his team etc...he will get in sooner. All in all it would not hurt my feelings if he does not ever get in. Guys like him are bad for the league. THERE IS NO I IN TEAM!!!

What do you guys think the great coaches in history would have done with him? I say TO rides a lot of bench for the Halas', Lombardi's, Landry's etc.

Bottom line: TO would not have survived in the league BEFORE free agency took over. He would have been told to keep his mouth shut and support his team or get used to the bench. Now a days any player that is not getting what he wants can basically get a trade instead of grow up and handle their business like men.

Guys with big mouths and who create news are great for the league. Boring guys with no personality are bad for the league.

 

[Sweeper]

10000 yards and 100TDs I say he is primed to get in! And this depends on his "on field" performance, regardless of his performance off the field.As far as his "on field" antics ... celebrations, and everything that we either love/hate him for ... will only help him get in (as an innovator and poineer of modern day football celebrations) as well as one of the first Mercinaries of the game! No Loyality ... a player for hire that has become common now. And if Romo gets in the HOF despite his on the field performance and play ... then TO's antics have little weight in a "yea/nay" vote.

 

[Koya]

I would treat him as the same as Michael Irvin. Both guys have no clue what comes out of their mouths. Irvin didnt get in in his first year, so I dont think TO will either.

Was Irvin ever the reason a team begin to split at the seams?Was Irvin ever a complete divisive character?

TO = a terrible terrible teamate in the consummate team game. The fact that so many are willing to overlook this surprises me. If it were baseball, it wouldnt matter - but this is not baseball. This is football.

You go to war with these guys, and he is throwing his mates under the bus repeatedly. To call him a distraction is an insult to distractions everywhere.

 

[suchislife]

Aren't there a number of self-important great-player jerks in the Hall?  (Serious question)

Personally I'd rather see a self-important jerk who is arguably the best at his position during his playing days than players who admittedly took drugs (coke). I'll never have as much respect for LT (the original) than I will for Reggie White. We'll never know how many of LT's sacks were helped by a feeling of painlessness.

Never understood this tact. However LT failed people in his personal life, he was a vital, important and positive force on every team he played. In the context of "football only" he was a great part of any team - one of the greatest ever. Helped his team win, immensely.

TO's behavior is absolutely detrimental overall to the team - meaning you can make an arguement that he actually hurts their ability to win games because of his huge divisive dont care at all about his teamates attitude.

Yeah, but Reggie played clean - no doubt about that. Can't say the same for LT. Hence my statement "I'll never have as much respect for LT than I will for Reggie White". Just my opinion. You can idolize the drug user all you want.And on topic - I'd rather see the self-important jerk TO in the HoF than the drug user LT. My opinion.

 

[redman]

Man, TO's induction speech I'm sure is not to be missed for its inevitable classlessness. Also, who would introduce him? I can think of only one person who'd be willing, and that would be Michael Irvin.

 

[davaco]

Good topic, but i think by the time he is done playing his #s will be so good, his temper tantrums will be over looked. And he has dominated at his position for sometime nowPlus, there is a 5 year window after he retires before he can get in. People forget alot in 5 years

 

[redman]

Plus, there is a 5 year window after he retires before he can get in. People forget alot in 5 years

You mean kind of like the way that we've forgotten all about Dennis Rodman's wierdness and disruptiveness and only remember what a great rebounder he was? To me, LT's off-field drug problems (that some wanted to use as a reason to keep him out of the HoF) were less related to his on-field performance than are TO's antics, which undermine his teams' and teammates' performance.

The guy's a phenomenal athlete and WR. He's a piss poor teammate and person.

 

[suchislife]

Plus, there is a 5 year window after he retires before he can get in. People forget alot in 5 years

You mean kind of like the way that we've forgotten all about Dennis Rodman's wierdness and disruptiveness and only remember what a great rebounder he was? To me, LT's off-field drug problems (that some wanted to use as a reason to keep him out of the HoF) were less related to his on-field performance than are TO's antics, which undermine his teams' and teammates' performance.

The guy's a phenomenal athlete and WR. He's a piss poor teammate and person.

Please elaborate...which of TO's antics caused the Eagles to give up 49 points to the Broncos last week? I do remember him breaking a 90+ yard TD catch and run that helped swing the momentum back to the Eagles favor. But I missed the plays that caused such a defensive meltdown. Or the one that caused his QB to throw a costly INT at the worst possible moment.ETA: I never said LT shouldn't be in the HoF. But I have more respect for some of the same caliber players who played the game clean.

 

[ianfitzy]

Link to Story

According to Howard Eskin of WIP Sports Radio in Philadelphia, Terell Owens will be suspended for at least the Redskins-Eagles game on Sunday.This story is still developing and we'll provide updates as we have them.

Hmm....

 

[gman8343]

holy ####.

 

[trader jake]

is andy reid more committed to this than his running game?that's the real issue with the eagles. TO may be a circus, but he's just a sideshow

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

holy ####.

this move makes no sense unless the eagles are trying to be last in the division

 

[Warsteinner]

 

[glock]

 

[Frank Black]

holy ####.

this move makes no sense unless the eagles are trying to be last in the division

Better for Reid to lay down the law now than for TO to experiment with trying to hold the team hostage at a possible future point in the season that is even more critical than now.

 

[Native]

Ouch. This is what I was afraid of back in August...

 

[wannabee]

:Conjecture: Maybe Reid knows McNabb is not playing, so this is a good game to take a stand. Maybe ...

 

[packersfan]

holy ####.

this move makes no sense unless the eagles are trying to be last in the division

Assuming it's true it makes perfect sense if you're a head coach who isn't going to let the inmates (or in this case one inmate) run the asylum. Again, assuming this is true.

 

[jurb26]

 

[jamny]

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