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***Official Tigers vs Yankees ALCS Thread*** (1 Viewer)

I think Tigers and Yankees fans agree with you Fly, neither team has a chance against the past two world champs. Those teams are loaded, would be hopeless for the AL winner.

 
Has DD confessesed his love for Delmon Young yet? Yeah, he sucked for most of the season, but he more than earns his contract in October.

 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'jon_mx said:
Has DD confessesed his love for Delmon Young yet? Yeah, he sucked for most of the season, but he more than earns his contract in October.
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Delmon fathead on back order.Hope he has a great season in Japan next year also.
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Probably. No way we keep him. But right now, glad we have him. It is unreal he is the Tiger's career Post season leader. But the Tigers usually go a decade between serious playoff runs.
 
I had a pretty long post thought out, but lost it in the lights.

Awful loss, obviously. Give the Tigers credit, I thought they were toast when Raul tied it. Losing Jeter is such a gut punch. You pretty much knew he was done when he didn't bounce back up. I can't imagine this group getting up off the mat, but maybe they play loose now since most everyone will be counting them out. Have to get today's game somehow or it's all over. It would be nice if they realize that you are actually allowed to score runs and get big hits before you are down to your last 3 outs. If they didn't leave a small village on base the first half of the game, this thread is most likely very different right now.

 
Today's game is the Yankees best chance. Sanchez on the road is probably the weakest link in the starting rotation. Even so, I expect Sanchez to hold the Yankees to a couple runs over six innings.

 
i really think kuroda comes up big today. now whether they can score some runs is another question. people have counted the yankees out before (especially us yankee fans). i have a funny feeling last night was not the last we hear from them.

 
'jon_mx said:
'Raider Nation said:
I'm starting to think that Tiger fans SKY IS FALLING attitude trumps our SKY IS FALLING attitude.It really is a battle to see which team has the most horrible luck.
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With Velverde done for the night, I am suddenly optimistic.
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'whoknew said:
'Fly said:
One of things I took from this is that the Giants or Cards are going to crush the winner of this series. Managing is generally overrated but I can't wait for Matheny or Bochy to run circles around Leyland or Girardi logically.
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You think the NL team is going to crush the AL team because they have better in game managers? Seriously? That's absurd. The NL team manager may be much better than the AL team. But what's that worth over 7 games? 1 run? 2? The talent will dictate the series. Not the managers.
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I'd say the manager difference in last year World Series overcame the talent difference and was a pretty key reason for the Cardinal victory. And that 1-2 run difference in game 6 was a deciding factor. But I'm a Cards fan and a National league guy - I think we value a manager by quite a bit more than a American league follower because of the rules.
 
I think there's plenty of reason for optimism for the Yankees.

They've had 3 good to great bats do approximately zero this entire postseason. Yet they are in the ALCS, and the Tigers had to go 12 innings to beat them (on a night where they looked totally lost offensively).

If Cano plus one of Swisher/Granderson starts to heat up at all, they could win the next 4 games.

Jeter's obviously a massive loss, but I have an odd feeling that might spark something in the rest of the team to pick up the slack. If there's any player that'll haunt AL teams from the dugout, it's Jeter.

Most importantly, for the Detroit Tigers to win this series, they will have to actually pitch well in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings at least 2 times this series, assuming JV goes the distance (tough to ever assume for anyone).

As bad as it looks for the Yankees, it always helps playing a team that can't put anyone away.

 
'pollardsvision said:
I think there's plenty of reason for optimism for the Yankees.They've had 3 good to great bats do approximately zero this entire postseason. Yet they are in the ALCS, and the Tigers had to go 12 innings to beat them (on a night where they looked totally lost offensively).If Cano plus one of Swisher/Granderson starts to heat up at all, they could win the next 4 games. Jeter's obviously a massive loss, but I have an odd feeling that might spark something in the rest of the team to pick up the slack. If there's any player that'll haunt AL teams from the dugout, it's Jeter.Most importantly, for the Detroit Tigers to win this series, they will have to actually pitch well in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings at least 2 times this series, assuming JV goes the distance (tough to ever assume for anyone).As bad as it looks for the Yankees, it always helps playing a team that can't put anyone away.
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All four Tigers starters are capable of pitching complete games. With Valverde out of the picture and Bonoit hopefully on a short lease, I feel better about the Tigers relievers. I appreciate the optimism. :thumbup:
 
'jon_mx said:
'pollardsvision said:
I think there's plenty of reason for optimism for the Yankees.

They've had 3 good to great bats do approximately zero this entire postseason. Yet they are in the ALCS, and the Tigers had to go 12 innings to beat them (on a night where they looked totally lost offensively).

If Cano plus one of Swisher/Granderson starts to heat up at all, they could win the next 4 games.

Jeter's obviously a massive loss, but I have an odd feeling that might spark something in the rest of the team to pick up the slack. If there's any player that'll haunt AL teams from the dugout, it's Jeter.

Most importantly, for the Detroit Tigers to win this series, they will have to actually pitch well in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings at least 2 times this series, assuming JV goes the distance (tough to ever assume for anyone).

As bad as it looks for the Yankees, it always helps playing a team that can't put anyone away.
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All four Tigers starters are capable of pitching complete games. With Valverde out of the picture and Bonoit hopefully on a short lease, I feel better about the Tigers relievers. I appreciate the optimism. :thumbup:
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It sounds like you might've mistaken me for a Yankee fan. I assure you, I am not.All 4 capable of pitching CG's? Well, sure.

Likely? Come on.

JV's got 7 of them this season (including the PS). The other 3 have 3 combined. 2 of them from Fister. Scherzer's never done in his whole career.

Fantastic starting pitching. No doubt about it.

But this series will still have go through the bullpen.

Sure, getting Valverde out of the way is nice, but there's a reason he wasn't replaced sooner. This bullpen isn't very good, and the bullpen problems certainly don't end with Valverde.

Maybe they come up big throughout the series, but you know that's uncertain, at best.

Moving Dotel to the back isn't making anyone's leash any shorter, btw.

Benoit and Coke combined for 47 innings in the 2nd half. They gave up 14 home runs between in that time. :shock:

 
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Scherzer consistently gives the Tigers 110 plus pitches, then Leyland pulls him. During the season, this makes sense. The season is long and you need to conserve. In the playoffs, I would bend the pitch count rules. But I doubt Leyland will.

 
'jon_mx said:
Scherzer consistently gives the Tigers 110 plus pitches, then Leyland pulls him. During the season, this makes sense. The season is long and you need to conserve. In the playoffs, I would bend the pitch count rules. But I doubt Leyland will.
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And what inning does that normally occur in?I love Scherzer. He's one of my favorite pitchers, but even at his best, he's not the most efficient fella.

He led the AL in pitches/plate appearance by a wide margin (4.17) and was 2nd in pitches/inning (17.5).

He averaged 5.85 IP/start and it took him over 102 pitches/start to do that.

 
'pollardsvision said:
'jon_mx said:
'pollardsvision said:
I think there's plenty of reason for optimism for the Yankees.

They've had 3 good to great bats do approximately zero this entire postseason. Yet they are in the ALCS, and the Tigers had to go 12 innings to beat them (on a night where they looked totally lost offensively).

If Cano plus one of Swisher/Granderson starts to heat up at all, they could win the next 4 games.

Jeter's obviously a massive loss, but I have an odd feeling that might spark something in the rest of the team to pick up the slack. If there's any player that'll haunt AL teams from the dugout, it's Jeter.

Most importantly, for the Detroit Tigers to win this series, they will have to actually pitch well in the 7th, 8th, and 9th innings at least 2 times this series, assuming JV goes the distance (tough to ever assume for anyone).

As bad as it looks for the Yankees, it always helps playing a team that can't put anyone away.
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All four Tigers starters are capable of pitching complete games. With Valverde out of the picture and Bonoit hopefully on a short lease, I feel better about the Tigers relievers. I appreciate the optimism. :thumbup:
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It sounds like you might've mistaken me for a Yankee fan. I assure you, I am not.All 4 capable of pitching CG's? Well, sure.

Likely? Come on.

JV's got 7 of them this season (including the PS). The other 3 have 3 combined. 2 of them from Fister. Scherzer's never done in his whole career.

Fantastic starting pitching. No doubt about it.

But this series will still have go through the bullpen.

Sure, getting Valverde out of the way is nice, but there's a reason he wasn't replaced sooner. This bullpen isn't very good, and the bullpen problems certainly don't end with Valverde.

Maybe they come up big throughout the series, but you know that's uncertain, at best.

Moving Dotel to the back isn't making anyone's leash any shorter, btw.

Benoit and Coke combined for 47 innings in the 2nd half. They gave up 14 home runs between in that time. :shock:
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With a four-man rotation, the Tigers free up Smyly and Porcello for middle/late relief. Leyland finally did that last night (forced into it, really) ...and young Smyly pitched two solid innings. Porcello is at his best first time through the line-up. If Leyland is smart enough to use them, these two can fill the gap and get them through a game or into the 8th or 9th. They can then turn to anyone-but-Valverde.
 
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'pollardsvision said:
'jon_mx said:
Scherzer consistently gives the Tigers 110 plus pitches, then Leyland pulls him. During the season, this makes sense. The season is long and you need to conserve. In the playoffs, I would bend the pitch count rules. But I doubt Leyland will.
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And what inning does that normally occur in?I love Scherzer. He's one of my favorite pitchers, but even at his best, he's not the most efficient fella.

He led the AL in pitches/plate appearance by a wide margin (4.17) and was 2nd in pitches/inning (17.5).

He averaged 5.85 IP/start and it took him over 102 pitches/start to do that.
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Billy Bean agrees and ....is no longer in the playoffs.

I love me Max.

Peace

 
The umps are bailing out A-Rod left and right. I think he's only had one check swing "strike" .

What an unraveling.

I'll be honest I keep thinking, well this will be the day. Jeter goes down, this will be the day.

You can not start him against Verlander under any circumstances. I would honestly go Nooney at short and Nix at 3rd

 
Through 4 - Sanchez at 57 pitches, Kuroda at 49.

Looking at their performance over the past several games, they're both good for about 100-105 pitches. This should get interesting around the 7th inning unless one of them makes a mistake before that. :popcorn: Will Kuroda get tired earlier than normal?

 
I mean, you think something would click with these d-bags.

And nice to line up murdered row for us Joe. a-rod-Grandy-Swish, what a black hole

Damn Kuroda pitching his guts out on 3 days rest and this is what this team does.

Burn in hell the lot ofyou

 
I hate to knock Granderson but that play was one of the reasons the Tigers love Jackson. He definitely misplayed that shot by Berry. He took two steps in before running back.

 
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