General Malaise
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Well good, maybe you and other experts in celebration management can teach a course for professional athletes to adhere to going forward.
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Official US Women's soccer thread: ***Update- BBC article on coach Hayes (5 Viewers)
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maybe by then the stick will be extricated out yer ###
If the US beats France 13-0 in the final - I'll still be disappointed if they are still celebrating goals 6-13 they way they did against Thailand.
Same as above - I think its a fantastic achievement - to a certain point. Yes its the World Cup - but scoring a goal in practice is harder than scoring a goal against Thailand, and I doubt they are overly jubilant about scoring in practice.
Game situation dictates - if its an early goal - then sure celebrate. If your goal is #10 - be happy for yourself, and be mindful of your opponent. These are not mutually exclusive things.
General Malaise
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Wait, what's the guy in your avatar doing? Is he.......is he celebrating? HOW DARE HE!!!!
If the US beats France 13-0 in the final - I'll still be disappointed if they are still celebrating goals 6-13 they way they did against Thailand.
I don't care if you run the score up - that is what you trained to do. But sportsmanship goes beyond playing to win, or even playing to your best potential.
They embarrassed this great country of ours.
They set a horrible example for little girls.
My little 4 year daughter said to me last night, "Daddy, why was she so happy? They were already winning." I almost broke down crying. I didn't know what to say.
I am going to assume that you don't understand the situation with Lucas.
First - its after the game.
Second - he literally won the game on the last second.
Just a tad bit of a different circumstance.
shader
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Oh come onThey embarrassed this great country of ours.
They set a horrible example for little girls.
My little 4 year daughter said to me last night, "Daddy, why was she so happy? They were already winning." I almost broke down crying. I didn't know what to say.
heckmanm
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WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???They embarrassed this great country of ours.
They set a horrible example for little girls.
My little 4 year daughter said to me last night, "Daddy, why was she so happy? They were already winning." I almost broke down crying. I didn't know what to say.
General Malaise
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General Malaise
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How come the coach for the US is escaping the ire of you experts in celebration management? Shouldn't she shoulder some of the blame for not controlling her players?
Jobber
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My 14 year old daughter scored a hat trick a week ago (just average mid level traveling soccer). After each one? A smile and quick high five to two or three teammates on her jog back to center.They embarrassed this great country of ours.
They set a horrible example for little girls.
My little 4 year daughter said to me last night, "Daddy, why was she so happy? They were already winning." I almost broke down crying. I didn't know what to say.
Moe.
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shader
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I feel bad for these women. Alex Morgan is the biggest superstar in the game and she plays in front of 5k people a week in Orlando. So for her, this is it. I'll be generous and say that 90% of the people in this thread haven't seen her play live footy since the last World Cup. That means for 4 years she's worked her butt off in relative anonymity.
So you know what? When she finally gets a chance to celebrate on the big stage, i'm fine with it. And her celebrations did come down once she got to the 4th, 5th, etc.
Rapinoe scored ONE goal. She's 33. This could be the only goal she scores that most of the world sees for the rest of her life. So yeah, go for it.
Sorry Thai, next time don't send a 5'2 GK to the world cup.
It's the World Cup. Comparing this to Alabama v Citadel is an absolute joke. This is the only moment they will have in the spotlight until 2023. Let them enjoy it.
So you know what? When she finally gets a chance to celebrate on the big stage, i'm fine with it. And her celebrations did come down once she got to the 4th, 5th, etc.
Rapinoe scored ONE goal. She's 33. This could be the only goal she scores that most of the world sees for the rest of her life. So yeah, go for it.
Sorry Thai, next time don't send a 5'2 GK to the world cup.
It's the World Cup. Comparing this to Alabama v Citadel is an absolute joke. This is the only moment they will have in the spotlight until 2023. Let them enjoy it.
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General Malaise
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No they should not be paid more based on attendance and here is why.
Salaries are based on league wide revenues, not on attendance of a single team.
NWSL bases their salaries on league wide revenue and not on Portland's 16k attendance just as MLS bases their salaries on league wide revenue and not on Atlanta's 50k attendance.
MLS salaries are higher than NWSL salaries because their revenue is significantly higher. Here are just a few highlights:
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*MLS brings in over $90m a year in broadcast fees (domestic national and international). The NWSL does not have any significant broadcast fees they receive
*A few MLS teams have local TV deals (LA gets $5.5m a year for example). NWSL teams do not
*Most MLS teams get paid between $3m and $5m a year for shirt sponsorships. NWSL teams do not
*MLS has an enormous sponsorship revenue stream led by the Adidas deal that brings the league $116m a year. The NWSL does not have anything even in the same galaxy.
*Most MLS teams own/control the revenue streams in their stadiums giving them a large piece of merchandising, parking, food etc for each game, along with generating revenue for things like concerts and other events in the stadiums. No NWSL team has this type of revenue control in the stadiums that they rent out.
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shader
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Great points. Atlanta United has a higher home attendance than most Premier League teams, but they aren't about to start paying Premier League prices. Same thing with women's sports. If the support isn't there, they can't earn the same money.
As for the World Cup in the United States...that's a different story imo. The women are super popular and should probably get a bigger percentage of the pie than they do in England, where no one cares about the women's World Cup.
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Capella
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I don’t understand why they don’t go play in Europe. Barca has 60k for a women’s match this year.
Capella
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England’s women secured a double victory yesterday as their World Cup opener broke TV records.
A huge audience of 6.1 million people tuned in to watch the Lionesses beat Scotland 2-1 - 37.8 per cent of the audience share.
And that easily beat the men’s game against Switzerland, with BBC Sports Editor Dan Roan insisting 1.236m watched.
General Malaise
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Fifa is unlikely to alter how they hand out the various revenues generated from the WWC to the countries. And who knows what is even left after they fill their own suit cases :(
I think the Norwegian player who is sitting out protesting probably has the right idea. She does not think the women should be paid any where near what the men are because they do not create any where near the revenue. But her argument that the local FA's need to be more fair way down the development chain and make sure that young girls are getting the same treatment as young boys seems to make sense.
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Wow that's great news. I had not seen that.
England’s women secured a double victory yesterday as their World Cup opener broke TV records.
A huge audience of 6.1 million people tuned in to watch the Lionesses beat Scotland 2-1 - 37.8 per cent of the audience share.
And that easily beat the men’s game against Switzerland, with BBC Sports Editor Dan Roan insisting 1.236m watched.
NewlyRetired
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here are the main reasons
1) The mens WC generates an enormous amount more revenue (this can't be understated) than the WWC does. So when FIFA dolls out the money, all mens teams receive significantly more than all womens teams do.
2) The men have a very profitable tournament called the Gold Cup which runs twice every cycle. This brings in a ton of direct revenue for US Soccer. The women have nothing that equates
3) This is the big one (and the one that the media never gets right). US Soccer is paying the NWSL club salaries for many of the USWNT players. They obviously do not do this for the men who earn their money via what ever MLS, EPL, Bundesliga etc teams the men play for.
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otb_lifer
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well, it was Scotland ... big rivalry there irl, what with the whole William Wallce thing and all ... UNITED kingdom my ###
England’s women secured a double victory yesterday as their World Cup opener broke TV records.
A huge audience of 6.1 million people tuned in to watch the Lionesses beat Scotland 2-1 - 37.8 per cent of the audience share.
And that easily beat the men’s game against Switzerland, with BBC Sports Editor Dan Roan insisting 1.236m watched.
if it were the Lionesses vs Sri Lanka or Luxembourg i doubt they pull those numbers.
General Malaise
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I don't like what's happening, but you're helping me understand why it's happening and I appreciate that.
shader
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That was a bit of a one-off. Barcelona women play at the Mini Estadi, a stadium that holds 15k and their average attendance from what I can find is under 5k.
I believe the US has the highest average women's attendance of any league.
The problem, imo, is that there aren't enough good players to support all these different leagues. It would be nice to see all the best women play in one league and allow the sport to grow.
Capella
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I don’t know much about the NWSL or it’s finances but there is zero doubt that US soccer should make national team pay equal. They certainly have plenty of money to go around.
I don’t care about revenues generated, it’s good for the game, it’s good for the present players and it’s good for the future generation of women players. God knows the US women have done more for the goodwill and fan enrichment of the sport in this country than the USMNT has lately. If anything they would still get an insane ROI for whatever they would have to pay the women.
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General Malaise
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Hell of a game, this one.
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Yeah, not loving my OVER 2.5 in this one either. We'll get it going. No celebrating when we do.1/4 of the way through and still waitin' for first goal from my Frenchie - can't cash a 9/1 ticket on 2 goals without that first one popping in
General Malaise
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That French soccer coach has the countenance of every woman I've ever angered or disappointed.....
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otb_lifer
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i snagged Thiney for $100 at 9/1 for 2+ goals ... my partner went heavy (2k) on France at 1/3Yeah, not loving my OVER 2.5 in this one either. We'll get it going. No celebrating when we do.
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good to hear ... i am "following" on Ladbrokes 'cuz i can't find a phone worthy mobile feed
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I think once they figure out the club issue, things will come to some sort of equilibrium.I don't like what's happening, but you're helping me understand why it's happening and I appreciate that.
But for now, because US Soccer is paying the club salaries, they are actually paying the women MORE than the men. It is very frustrating that this goes unmentioned by so many in the media.
I am more than fine to have the women and men paid the same from US Soccer. I do not in any way like the idea that the women "deserve" to make as much as the men at the club level in the country though. For decades the US Men have had to travel the globe to eek out what ever good salary they could find. It is only relatively recently that players can make in the millions while playing in their home country.
One thing that people should be cognizant of is that if US Soccer decides to make the pay equal, it is very likely NOT to raise the women's pay and more likely lower the men's pay, in regards to the bonus structure. The women do not bring in enough money from the WC to justify the same level of bonus's the men can earn and they could easily find themselves in financial trouble if they tried to bring the women up to the men's bonus structure.
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