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Official "Vikings SHOULD FIRE CHILDRESS THREAD" (2 Viewers)

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I have been a loyal fan of the Vikings my entire life--45 years. But this bozo has to go. He gives up a third round pick for Randy Moss, and now he wants to waive him? He allows Brett Favre to sit out of camp two seasons and begs him to come back in a public manner; then he bags on him in public? This guy does not know what he is doing. Please join me if you feel the same and want to fire Childress instead of release Moss.

 
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I'm not a Vikings fan, but the players are likeable, especially AP, Percy, and Moss, and S. Rice, Jared Allen, Kevin Williams and Hutch; and I'm an AP owner. I completely agree with everything you've said about Childress.

 
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I think he is doing a wonderful job.

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I have been a loyal fan of the Vikings my entire life--45 years. But this bozo has to go. He gives up a third round pick for Randy Moss, and now he wants to waive him? He allows Brett Favre to sit out of camp two seasons and begs him to come back in a public manner; then he bags on him in public? This guy does not know what he is doing. Please join me if you feel the same and want to fire Childress instead of release Moss.
:thumbup: :bag: :lmao: :lmao: :pickle: :pickle: I've been saying this for months! The guy is a MORON and now people are starting to see why I've been saying it. Not just the Moss thing (which is completely ridiculous, just because Moss questions him) but MANY other things. Just look at the creative way he gets Gerhart open but he doesn't use those same plays for Peterson, his most explosive and one of the most explosive players in the league. Not to mention Peterson is out of the game in most crucial situations. Not going for points at the end of a half because "They still had 2 time outs" ..... MORON
 
I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?

Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?

I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.

 
I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.
It really doesn't matter what he does off the field. When you have that much talent and you continually sabotage games for them you're worthless to your team. Give me a coach who can take less talent and put them in a situation to win any day.
 
What I don't get is how guys like this get these jobs in the first place. How does a guy that has made hundred of millions or billions in business get bambozzled by these guys in interviews? I don't get it. I can't imagine Childress being that dynamic in person. This vexes me. I am vexed.

 
The bad part of the Vikings success last season is it saved Chillys job.

This is a train wreck. I think the only way for the owner to stabilize the team is to fire Childress for losing control of the team.

Is it possible that the players who leaked this information to the press did so as a form of protest?

Fire Childress everyone gets a clean slate and the team can start over or at least have some fun with the rest of the season. Childress doing this now divides the team and that is not going to go away as long as he is still there. The Vikings players are not going to all a sudden embrace the coaches judgement when it has shown to be this poor. Childress has lost control of the team. Otherwise he would not be desperately trying to re-establish control of it.

Childress is gone at the end of the season anyways I think. Might as well have a lighter mood in the locker room the rest of the season by firing Childress who clearly has failed.

 
The bad part of the Vikings success last season is it saved Chillys job.This is a train wreck. I think the only way for the owner to stabilize the team is to fire Childress for losing control of the team.Is it possible that the players who leaked this information to the press did so as a form of protest?Fire Childress everyone gets a clean slate and the team can start over or at least have some fun with the rest of the season. Childress doing this now divides the team and that is not going to go away as long as he is still there. The Vikings players are not going to all a sudden embrace the coaches judgement when it has shown to be this poor. Childress has lost control of the team. Otherwise he would not be desperately trying to re-establish control of it.Childress is gone at the end of the season anyways I think. Might as well have a lighter mood in the locker room the rest of the season by firing Childress who clearly has failed.
Unfortunately Zygmunt "Zygi" Wilf loves him no matter what happens. :goodposting:
 
I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.
It really doesn't matter what he does off the field. When you have that much talent and you continually sabotage games for them you're worthless to your team. Give me a coach who can take less talent and put them in a situation to win any day.
Your team already had that guy in Tice and decided he was just a goofball and a bad HC. I wonder if Chilly being exposed for who he is will give Tice a HC opportunity somewhere in the future?
 
I think he is doing a wonderful job.<-------------------------------------
That reminds me... he DID get his start in Wisconsin, didn't he? Trojan horse? LMAO.
I remember all the Packer fans getting upset when Childress went to Minny.....and all the Viking fans claiming it was some huge theft. But those of us who rooted for the Badgers (where Chilly was the OC for a few years) saw that the man had zero imagination when running an offense. He was fortunate enough to coach Ron Dayne, with a dominant O-line. But he was a moron back then, and he's still a moron now. One of my buddies from UW (former college player, knows his stuff) called me up laughing the day Chilly signed with the Vikes saying "this is the greatest thing possible for the Packers - not only doesn't he come here, but he destroys a division rival too!"
 
I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.
This has been my opinion on the matter all along. The Vikings have a tremendous group of talent evaluators in place right now and this includes Childress. When Ziggy bought the team 5 years ago, it was one of the least talented teams in the league and was getting old. In less than five years(last year), Chilly, Spielman, and Rob Brzynski turned the Vikings around. You can argue that they are one of the most talented teams in the league. So, in light of that, I used to give Childress the benefit of the doubt on some of his poor gameday decisions. The Vikings were talented and always seemed to come to play. However, he's losing the respect of the team and quickly. I don't care how good of a talent evaluator he is because he'll never win a super bowl with his attitude toward the players and his inability to make good decisions on game day. Last year was his one hope and that ship has now sailed. The Vikings need to make a move before this guy squanders the careers of AP, Harvin, and Rice.
 
Lets not forget when Chilly fined Williamson for attending a funeral.

I say fire Childress now and give Frazier the interim HC position, see what he has, if we succeed give him the job after the season is over, if he doesnt succeed, see what happens and maybe try for Billick, Gruden, Cowher, etc.

We need a guy that can call plays and get a hold of this locker room.

I saw this coming in February after we lost last year in January..always had a bad feeling about this season, I was optimistic, just didnt have the same feeling as last year.

 
I posted this in the Randy Moss thread, but it fits here too.

OK as a viking fan it's time make a wish. About the only way to top the absud nature of this whole mess is for the following to happen.

About 10 AM we need a report of Ziggy flying in to twin cities. With him aboard his private jet is Rrandy Moss. Upon their arrival at Winter Park,

Ziggy asks to meet with Leslie Frazier before saying hello to Chilly.

Ziggy... C'mon man. Do this for the fans and we will gladly build you a stadium.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.
Childress is a terrible gameday coach.
 
encaitar said:
CletiusMaximus said:
I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.
This has been my opinion on the matter all along. The Vikings have a tremendous group of talent evaluators in place right now and this includes Childress. When Ziggy bought the team 5 years ago, it was one of the least talented teams in the league and was getting old. In less than five years(last year), Chilly, Spielman, and Rob Brzynski turned the Vikings around. You can argue that they are one of the most talented teams in the league. So, in light of that, I used to give Childress the benefit of the doubt on some of his poor gameday decisions. The Vikings were talented and always seemed to come to play. However, he's losing the respect of the team and quickly. I don't care how good of a talent evaluator he is because he'll never win a super bowl with his attitude toward the players and his inability to make good decisions on game day. Last year was his one hope and that ship has now sailed. The Vikings need to make a move before this guy squanders the careers of AP, Harvin, and Rice.
I'd say they are not great talent evaluators. What impact players have they added besides Peterson and Jared Allen? Did not take rocket science to recognize the talent in those two. How is Berrian working out?
 
I'm not a Viking fan, but I think their team is stacked with talent. It's a shame their HC has been a big part in derailing this talented team. Other factors have played a part in the mess that is the Vikings, but their HC's actions have shown he lacks the skills of a HC. He is doing a good job of tearing his team apart.

 
encaitar said:
CletiusMaximus said:
I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.
This has been my opinion on the matter all along. The Vikings have a tremendous group of talent evaluators in place right now and this includes Childress. When Ziggy bought the team 5 years ago, it was one of the least talented teams in the league and was getting old. In less than five years(last year), Chilly, Spielman, and Rob Brzynski turned the Vikings around. You can argue that they are one of the most talented teams in the league. So, in light of that, I used to give Childress the benefit of the doubt on some of his poor gameday decisions. The Vikings were talented and always seemed to come to play. However, he's losing the respect of the team and quickly. I don't care how good of a talent evaluator he is because he'll never win a super bowl with his attitude toward the players and his inability to make good decisions on game day. Last year was his one hope and that ship has now sailed. The Vikings need to make a move before this guy squanders the careers of AP, Harvin, and Rice.
I'd say they are not great talent evaluators. What impact players have they added besides Peterson and Jared Allen? Did not take rocket science to recognize the talent in those two. How is Berrian working out?
Impact players added by current management? How about every impact player outside of Bryant McKinnie, Kevin and Pat Williams, EJ Henderson, and Antoine Winfield. Those are seriously the only "impact" players left from the previous administration. So, given your statement, you must consider the Vikings devoid of talent.
 
They were one boneheaded play (or multiple turnovers away) from the SB last year (that's VERY GOOD) and Favre has stunk so far this year. Bellichick doesn't put up with Moss's act, he's a genius, Childress doesn't like it and he's a moron? Maybe playing devils advocate here but I can't fault a coach for having discipline and expecting certain things from his players, on and off, or you're GONE. HAVING SAID THAT, there's a reasonable chance that Moss would be a problem considering his track record. Game day play calling, end of game mgmt., utilization of talent, risking franchise future success/development to "win now", general people skills....etc I'll leave that to the disgruntled Vikings fan but I wonder how many Viking fans were bummed about Childress before the NFC title game last year. He's at least willing to gamble for your team.

 
Stryker said:
Lets not forget when Chilly fined Williamson for attending a funeral.I say fire Childress now and give Frazier the interim HC position, see what he has, if we succeed give him the job after the season is over, if he doesnt succeed, see what happens and maybe try for Billick, Gruden, Cowher, etc.We need a guy that can call plays and get a hold of this locker room. I saw this coming in February after we lost last year in January..always had a bad feeling about this season, I was optimistic, just didnt have the same feeling as last year.
Not a Viking Fan,.. But, you guys have my vote...Sounds like the way to go.... I'd pay Gruden / Cowher whatever they wanted.Billick would be the fall back. But, anything other than Chilly.Rob Ryan should be a candidate as well.Then get a QB. IMO, the talent other than QB is already in place.
 
They were one boneheaded play (or multiple turnovers away) from the SB last year (that's VERY GOOD) and Favre has stunk so far this year. Bellichick doesn't put up with Moss's act, he's a genius, Childress doesn't like it and he's a moron? Maybe playing devils advocate here but I can't fault a coach for having discipline and expecting certain things from his players, on and off, or you're GONE. HAVING SAID THAT, there's a reasonable chance that Moss would be a problem considering his track record. Game day play calling, end of game mgmt., utilization of talent, risking franchise future success/development to "win now", general people skills....etc I'll leave that to the disgruntled Vikings fan but I wonder how many Viking fans were bummed about Childress before the NFC title game last year. He's at least willing to gamble for your team.
well did he decide to give the Patriots the 3rd round pick for Moss, and then cut him three weeks later? I don't think I've heard of any other coach doing this.
 
Bellichick doesn't put up with Moss's act, he's a genius, Childress doesn't like it and he's a moron? Maybe playing devils advocate here but I can't fault a coach for having discipline and expecting certain things from his players.
This argument would be more reasonable if Childress had not already proven he's not going to do that for everyone. During training camp he blasted Adrian Peterson for missing one day of camp due to Adrian Peterson Day down in Texas, and yet he lets Brett Favre "mull" retirement and miss the entire camp. He's talked out of both sides of his mouth too many times for anyone to really take him seriously on disciplinary matters. As far as collecting talent, you have to give him some credit. But his first draft was where he had the most power, and that was the year they seriously reached for Tarvaris Jackson; hitching his wagon to Jackson will forever be his most important move as a personnel guy. After that year the Vikings hired Rick Spielman who assumed a lot more power with regards to personnel moves. The Wilf's have had his back from day one. It is unfortunate because he has a lot of leeway and he has completely misused that power to this point. He will likely stay on for several more seasons, and the team is talented enough to stay mediocre even without good quarterback play. It could be a few 7-9 seasons before this team really makes a move to take steps forward.
 
Regardless of the Moss situation, he should still be fired for his coaching and game day management.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
sho nuff said:
I think he is doing a wonderful job.
:pickle: Ditto. It reminds me of when Wayne Fontes was the coach in Detroit -- keep him around as long as possible!
SPORTSFontes Wins AP Award as the NFL Coach of YearDecember 26, 1991 | From Staff and Wire ReportsAfter losing to the Washington Redskins, 45-0, on opening day, Wayne Fontes coached the Detroit Lions to a 12-4 record and kept the team together in the face of injuries ranging from tragic to controversial. At season's end, Fontes had the Lions in the NFL playoffs for the first time in eight years. Wednesday, he was chosen the Associated Press' NFL coach of the year. Fontes, 52, edged Joe Gibbs of the Redskins in voting by sportswriters who cover the NFL.You mean this guy. He does have the most wins in team history.. Oh yeah and most losses too. :scared: I'd take the Fontes era over the Millen era anyday.
 
They were one boneheaded play (or multiple turnovers away) from the SB last year (that's VERY GOOD) and Favre has stunk so far this year. Bellichick doesn't put up with Moss's act, he's a genius, Childress doesn't like it and he's a moron? Maybe playing devils advocate here but I can't fault a coach for having discipline and expecting certain things from his players, on and off, or you're GONE. HAVING SAID THAT, there's a reasonable chance that Moss would be a problem considering his track record. Game day play calling, end of game mgmt., utilization of talent, risking franchise future success/development to "win now", general people skills....etc I'll leave that to the disgruntled Vikings fan but I wonder how many Viking fans were bummed about Childress before the NFC title game last year. He's at least willing to gamble for your team.
They got to the NFC title game in spite of Childress, not because of him. I have wanted him gone for years. His play calling, coaching decisions, etc. are awful.

They have amassed a large amount of talented players on the team, but I am not sure how much of that he can be credited to him.

 
A couple of years ago, I was disappointed when the let Mike Tomlin go to the Steelers. He should have stayed and they should have let Childress go then. Would love to have Tomlin as a coach today. I think the owners have done a great job in committing what it takes financially to make a winning team and paying for good talent (Hutchinson, Jared Allen, Williams . . .) this talent has made a below average coach like Childress look better, but a better than average coach is needed along with the talent to win it all.

 
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I'm not a Viking fan, but I think their team is stacked with talent. It's a shame their HC has been a big part in derailing this talented team. Other factors have played a part in the mess that is the Vikings, but their HC's actions have shown he lacks the skills of a HC. He is doing a good job of tearing his team apart.
This is the right answer IMO. So they went for broke bringing Favre back. Fine, epic fail. When you put yourself out there to place all the hope of 1 SEASON on 1GUY and it doesn't work, you need to realize this ASAP and see if you can salvage some semblance of a season, or at least see if you can compete with Tavaris.The speed and playmaking ability in the offensive skill positions is phenomenal. AP, Rice, Harvin, Shiancoe, Berrian (dissappointing but not bad for WR#3) and they still have a couple years left from the current D. Once Favre kept getting injured, you sit him and bring in T-Jax. So you eat the 20mil.

Here's what you DON'T do... chase another over-the-hill diva, boom-or-bust free agent to see if it improves the production of the current one who is holding your balls in his hand.

They have jumped the shark. It's a soap opera. For the love of my beloved Minnesota, PLEASE restore some class here. Unfortunately, Ziggy gives Chilly a lot of power. So I'm not hopeful

 
It's no secret that Wilf wants a new stadium. Subsidized by the MN taxpayers, of course.

With the hate for Childress and the circus that is the Minnesota Vikings, the stadium WILL NOT HAPPEN. Wilf needs to right this ship. Now.

I still have no idea why you give a HC a 5 year contract just for getting to the NFC Championship. WTF was that all about?

 
The problem with the talent idea...is that without Rice, things were not working. Harvin was not doing as well outside as the focal receiver as much as he is working from the inside.

And all that talent at WR and RB...but the Oline has been a huge issue. I wouldn't think Hutch has many years left, McKinnie is average, Loadholdt looks terrible at times, and you can't keep a center healthy.

Defensively some of your talent is hurt, and your pass rush, for whatever reason, has been non-existent. The secondary seems to continue to struggle. Though, I do like the LBs quite a bit and a few years ago they would have been more of a weakness. Leber, Greenway and Henderson are a solid trio.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
I'm curious - what role does Rick Spielman play? Childress is just coach, correct? Does he also have player/roster duties beyond what a normal coach would have? Who has "final say" on things like cutting Randy Moss? Childress? Spielman? Ziggy?Everyone seems to agree that the Vikings now have and have had for the past 2-3 years, a very talented roster. Does Childress get the credit as a coach for the bad moves but no credit for building this talented roster? Does he get credit, as a coach, for the current record but no credit for the tremendous season they had last year?I agree he seems to be a poor gameday coach, don't know much else about him as a coach and have no idea as to the scope of his role with player decisions.
Childress is a terrible gameday coach.
I understand that many people think Childress is a terrible gameday coach. As a Packer fan, I recall several occasions in which I was very happy to see AP standing on the sidelines during key moments late in close games. I have strong thoughts on our ability, as common armchair fans, to judge the effectiveness of a coach on a "gameday" level. In short, I think fans have very little basis on which to judge the quality of a coach from their vantage point on the couch. The only meaningful metric on which a common fan can judge an NFL coach in my opinion is wins and losses, and Chilly has done alright in that regard. Gameplanning, lineup decisions, clock management and the like are entirely outside our competence, as much as we all would like to believe otherwise. After all, most of us have never attended one single practice, coaches meeting or been on the sidelines during a game. That covers about 95% of what a coach does, and none of us has even the slightest basis to judge a coach's performance in those areas.However, the first post in this thread and other recent comments regarding Childress seem to be focused not on his gameday coaching but on recent personnel moves. I keep reading about how Childress traded for Moss and then Childress cut Moss. My question is a sincere one - does Childress have the final say on personnel decisions? We all know that some teams have one guy serving as both coach and GM. That's not the case with the Vikings, they have Spielman. However, some head coaches have more say in roster matters than others. It seems to me that many people are assuming that Childress has authority to make major roster decisions on his own and my question is, is that the case?My thought is that, as weak as he seems, maybe Childress is more of a scapegoat than Vikings fans want to admit, and maybe they have deeper organizational problems than are apparent at first blush. As happy as I was when Childress was given the contract extension last year, I think I would be even more happy to see the Vikings bring in a clown like Gruden, and think their problems are solved.
 
Alex P Keaton said:
sho nuff said:
I think he is doing a wonderful job.
:bag: Ditto. It reminds me of when Wayne Fontes was the coach in Detroit -- keep him around as long as possible!
SPORTSFontes Wins AP Award as the NFL Coach of YearDecember 26, 1991 | From Staff and Wire ReportsAfter losing to the Washington Redskins, 45-0, on opening day, Wayne Fontes coached the Detroit Lions to a 12-4 record and kept the team together in the face of injuries ranging from tragic to controversial. At season's end, Fontes had the Lions in the NFL playoffs for the first time in eight years. Wednesday, he was chosen the Associated Press' NFL coach of the year. Fontes, 52, edged Joe Gibbs of the Redskins in voting by sportswriters who cover the NFL.You mean this guy. He does have the most wins in team history.. Oh yeah and most losses too. :lmao: I'd take the Fontes era over the Millen era anyday.
Only cuz that era had the best runner EVA!...but yeah I'll take that over Millen.But I also will take Chilly over the Millen era, I see people crying about having Chilly, but i have no sympathy in the slightest for anyone in Minnesota. You have great players and just went to the NFC title game. You all wanted this mess as soon as you wanted Favre in your organization. You wanted it, you got it....and yes I'm a Lions fan....Minnesota fans just take in the fact you have the same record as the Lions, and you have Favre, ADP, and Moss. I dont care what the issue, the excuses are getting tiring.BTW, Chilly is down right horrible and should be fired, NOW!
 

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