*Official Vikings vs Jets MNF Thread* (1 Viewer)

[Vike Me]

Favre's arm is going to fall off.

 

[The Dynasty]

I guess that is why you don't go for 2..lol

Why? If they had kicked the XP they'd still need the 2-pointer now anyway. The 2pt conversion has the same success rate whether you do it then or now.I'm one of the biggest "wait to go for 2" proponents out there, but in this case they were absolutely right to go for it early. In fact, they're even better off. Think about it, assuming that either 2 pointer is going to have the same result (no reason to think one is more likely to convert than the other), at least now you know you need two scores and can play appropriately. If they were down 8 here they would be playing thinking they were down one score and would likely leave themselves no time for when the 2 pointer fails.

Because they had to waste a timeout.

No they didn't have to.

Yeah because the offense went out and then came off and the field goal unit came on and then they changed their mind again and had to waste a timeout instead of just going ahead and kicking the XP.

 

[McJose]

They should have gone for 3 on that extra point.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Jaws> hate to break this to you, but if they went for 1 earlier they'd still have to go for 2 here. You have to go for 2 either way. It's not that hard.

Now they need two scores. I'd rather be in a one possession game any day.

Wow, you really don't get it, do you? Are you Childress? Shouldn't you be paying attention to the game and not posting here?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

And that's why you go for one on the previous TD

Why exactly?You still have to go for 2 on one or the other.Invalid point is invalid.

Because now it's a 2 possession game. Would it have been with the 1?Don't think so.

Dude, use your brain. If you assume the two point conversion has the same end result either way (no reason it wouldn't), then they need the two either way. When they miss it doesn't matter, and in fact is better to miss it early because now they can play knowing they need to score twice rather than just once.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

That looked close.

 

[biggamer3]

Harvin is becoming Elite

 

[Vike Me]

#### you Jets

 

[Heatman]

Well, lets not give up the big play again now.

 

[scott72]

Wow..

 

[mex]

Catch of the year

 

[j3r3m3y]

CLUTCH by Harvin, that was insane body control.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Wow great catch Harvin.

 

[Premier]

Boy this Minnesota offense is going to be really good in a few weeks.

 

[nysportsfan]

Welp, we will see how well the jets can run the ball here.

 

[videoguy505]

Jaws> hate to break this to you, but if they went for 1 earlier they'd still have to go for 2 here. You have to go for 2 either way. It's not that hard.

I think this is a different case. If they had scored 6 to make it 14-15, and were in a "tie or win (lead)" scenario, they could go for two and if they fail, Jets make it 22, they're down 14-22 and an 8 point score (1 possession for a TD + 2) ties later. But in this case, the fail followed by a Jets score requires 9 points (2 possessions). It might be a chart scenario. But I'm drunk.

 

[dickey moe]

LOVING what Moss is opening up for Harvin. He's likely a must start the rest of the year.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I guess that is why you don't go for 2..lol

Why? If they had kicked the XP they'd still need the 2-pointer now anyway. The 2pt conversion has the same success rate whether you do it then or now.I'm one of the biggest "wait to go for 2" proponents out there, but in this case they were absolutely right to go for it early. In fact, they're even better off. Think about it, assuming that either 2 pointer is going to have the same result (no reason to think one is more likely to convert than the other), at least now you know you need two scores and can play appropriately. If they were down 8 here they would be playing thinking they were down one score and would likely leave themselves no time for when the 2 pointer fails.

Because they had to waste a timeout.

No they didn't have to.

Yeah because the offense went out and then came off and the field goal unit came on and then they changed their mind again and had to waste a timeout instead of just going ahead and kicking the XP.

If you want to argue that they were stupid for ever trotting the kicking team out there on purpose to force them to burn a timeout then sure, no one's going to argue with you.The only mistake they made was sending the kicking team out on the field in the first place.

 

[biggamer3]

I would onside here, basically if you kick deep you giving a stout running team one first down to clinch win

 

[nysportsfan]

Catch of the year

Moss, Moaeki, and Amendola have had better catches off the top of my head.

 

[phrozen]

Glad to see Harvin relevant again with the addition of Moss

 

[whitem0nkey]

Here comes the drama queen holding his arm.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

I guess that is why you don't go for 2..lol

Why? If they had kicked the XP they'd still need the 2-pointer now anyway. The 2pt conversion has the same success rate whether you do it then or now.I'm one of the biggest "wait to go for 2" proponents out there, but in this case they were absolutely right to go for it early. In fact, they're even better off. Think about it, assuming that either 2 pointer is going to have the same result (no reason to think one is more likely to convert than the other), at least now you know you need two scores and can play appropriately. If they were down 8 here they would be playing thinking they were down one score and would likely leave themselves no time for when the 2 pointer fails.

Because they had to waste a timeout.

No they didn't have to.

Yeah because the offense went out and then came off and the field goal unit came on and then they changed their mind again and had to waste a timeout instead of just going ahead and kicking the XP.

Your argument is that the coaching staff was hesitant, not that you shouldn't go for 2 there.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Jaws> hate to break this to you, but if they went for 1 earlier they'd still have to go for 2 here. You have to go for 2 either way. It's not that hard.

I think this is a different case. If they had scored 6 to make it 14-15, and were in a "tie or win (lead)" scenario, they could go for two and if they fail, Jets make it 22, they're down 14-22 and an 8 point score (1 possession for a TD + 2) ties later. But in this case, the fail followed by a Jets score requires 9 points (2 possessions). It might be a chart scenario. But I'm drunk.

Please read through this again when you're sober. Maybe then it will make sense.

 

[jurrassic]

GREAT CATCH

 

[timschochet]

Harvin having by far his best game of the year. A sign of things to come?

 

[CutlerToCutler]

Favre, give it a rest with the elbow grabbing and limping. No one is buying it.

 

[icehouse]

As a Harvin owner, I am LOVING the Moss trade.

 

[j3r3m3y]

If you want to argue that they were stupid for ever trotting the kicking team out there on purpose to force them to burn a timeout then sure, no one's going to argue with you.The only mistake they made was sending the kicking team out on the field in the first place.

 

[scott72]

Jaws> hate to break this to you, but if they went for 1 earlier they'd still have to go for 2 here. You have to go for 2 either way. It's not that hard.

I think this is a different case. If they had scored 6 to make it 14-15, and were in a "tie or win (lead)" scenario, they could go for two and if they fail, Jets make it 22, they're down 14-22 and an 8 point score (1 possession for a TD + 2) ties later. But in this case, the fail followed by a Jets score requires 9 points (2 possessions). It might be a chart scenario. But I'm drunk.

Please read through this again when you're sober. Maybe then it will make sense.

 

[Limp Ditka]

And that's why you go for one on the previous TD

Why exactly?You still have to go for 2 on one or the other.Invalid point is invalid.

Because now it's a 2 possession game. Would it have been with the 1?Don't think so.

Dude, use your brain. If you assume the two point conversion has the same end result either way (no reason it wouldn't), then they need the two either way. When they miss it doesn't matter, and in fact is better to miss it early because now they can play knowing they need to score twice rather than just once.

They fail to get the two, which they did, it creates the opportunity to have what happened happen. You create the opportunity for a 2 possession game. I see no logic in putting my team in a position to be down 2 possessions in the 4th quarter.

 

[Manster]

just an observation from the game.

Randy Moss pushes off every time he has a ball thrown his way. they called the one where Cromartie feel, but that was more of their feet getting tangled.

 

[phrozen]

Wow I just realized if the Vikings just kicked the XP earlier they could have tied the game

 

[shortbow]

Favre: Told percy Id do this.

 

[Vike Me]

Turnover, please?

 

[Heatman]

I need more brandy.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Idiotic timeout by Childress. The next play will take 7 seconds to run and the two minute warning will occur.

 

[biggamer3]

and they let an additional 5 seconds roll off clock thus making the next play possibly the last one before two minute warning

 

[CutlerToCutler]

Wow I just realized if the Vikings just kicked the XP earlier they could have tied the game

This never occurred to me either. tx

 

[scott72]

just an observation from the game. Randy Moss pushes off every time he has a ball thrown his way. they called the one where Cromartie feel, but that was more of their feet getting tangled.

He's done that his whole career..

 

[biggamer3]

Jets should have run a sweep wasting 2 more seconds and for sure winning game

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Idiotic timeout by Childress. The next play will take 7 seconds to run and the two minute warning will occur.

Saved by the Jets. You have to run a sweep there to take off time.

 

[Neofight]

I sense an 18-13 lead coming, with time for a Favre drive.

Don't quit your day job.

I'm a psychic in my day job. Now what do I do???

Practice on the pole?

Worst Favre joke yet.

 

[biggamer3]

OMG

JETS JUST SCREWED UP BIG TIME!

 

[pizzatyme]

Why play outside shoulder and give away the quick slant there??????

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Idiotic timeout by Childress. The next play will take 7 seconds to run and the two minute warning will occur.

Saved by the Jets. You have to run a sweep there to take off time.

Jets are out Childressing Childress.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Great coaching here.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

How dumb is that?

 

[The Ref]

Holy F was hat a bad play call....

 

[timschochet]

Pass on 2nd down? Why?