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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (1 Viewer)

MikeApf said:
2.  This leads me to Heinicke.  And I don't want to get into a pissing contest with anyone so if you don't agree, cool please lay it on me but let's keep it civil ok?  Anyways, it is these types of games that Heinicke's challenges really come out.  And keep in mind I like Heinicke.  I love Heinicke.  I hope we keep him.  But we gotta draft a guy or something.  I'm tired of people saying "arm strength doesn't matter."  Yes, it does.  There were many throws down field where they ball took too long to get to the receiver.  That gives DBs extra time to close and it does make a difference.  EVen the play that McLaurin got injured.  You got a guy with a stronger arm and he may get it to 17 before the close out by the DBs.  And that is just one of many.  The other thing is, when we get behind, he just takes too many risks and puts the ball into trouble.  It's vs. Buffalo all over again.  Heinicke's great run this year was when we were running lights out and playing with leads.  Great.  But in the NFL sometimes you have to play from behind.  Your QB has to know how to do both.  I just have questions about that with Heinicke.  I love the guy.  But don't think he can be our long term starter.  I need to see more than "he's got 'it'.  Here's the reality...we've seen "it" at times this year but not in many games like Buffalo or Dallas vs. a superior team.  Tampa is the exception I would say...but you have to show "it" every game, not just when the game script is perfect...ok, rant off
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I think we've pretty much all been saying this all season.  Good guy.  Fighter.  Tough. Gamer.  Leader.  But not having the arm strength basically allows the defense to come after him as much as they want, and thus makes the OL look bad.  And without McKissock and Thomas, he's missing his safety valves.  I'm fine with them keeping him another year if they draft someone to groom, or trade for a player that needs time.  But you could put Heinicke out there with the weapons on KC, LA, or TB and he's not winning a SB.  you can look up any statistical category and he's like the 20th or worse.  Except INTS where he's 5th.

This all comes down to having a QB that can win playoff games.  Jonathan Allen, Chase Young, Montez Sweat, Jamin Davis, Daron Payne, Doctson, Scherff....you can 1st round draft all those guys you want but it doesn't mean a thing.  You are better off swinging and missing on a Haskins and simply cutting him than you are getting players at positions that can easily be filled via FA.  Young QBs under a team friendly rookie contract while you decide if they are the guy are all that matters.  Everything else you can find on the open market.  As for team like CHI and NYJ that roll through QBs ... the way not to be that is to draft multiple QBs or a QB every year.  Within 8 games you should know if they are they guy.  See WFT and Griffin/Cousins.  Cousins ended up better long term.

 
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Not sure I can say the defense played that well. How many dropped INTs hit our secondary right in the hands? They have to get better at that. And without Thomas and McLaurin, we had no realistic change of winning that game. Just ugly :(  

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
This was the first game of the year that Dallas had their entire defensive front. Randy and Lawrence at bookends is already pretty good but then when you add Micah to the mix it's just a nasty, nasty line. 

Im exactly with you on your QB. I think you really work on his arm strength in the offseason and see if that improves. If it doesn't, I concede he is a backup. With that said, Carter makes that catch the kid has them in position to tie and that's all that matters. 
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Yeah, props to Dallas D...they played lights out.  

If there was a way to improve his arm strength and decision making when behind that would be great. Not sure how much you can improve arm strength simply through conditioning and mechanics but he should do that even if he's gonna be a backup.  I do hope they keep him in some capacity...

 
MikeApf said:
Yeah, props to Dallas D...they played lights out.  

If there was a way to improve his arm strength and decision making when behind that would be great. Not sure how much you can improve arm strength simply through conditioning and mechanics but he should do that even if he's gonna be a backup.  I do hope they keep him in some capacity...
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I’m not in my wildest dreams comparing Heinicke to Brady, but Brady sure as hell made his arm stronger. He didn’t have a whole lot on his passes the first couple years and developed his arm into what I would go as far as say was a cannon at his peak. 

 
ffmail4me said:
Not sure I can say the defense played that well. How many dropped INTs hit our secondary right in the hands? They have to get better at that. And without Thomas and McLaurin, we had no realistic change of winning that game. Just ugly :(  
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You mean Terry McLaurin? I thought he went on IR a couple weeks ago.

I guess it just feels that way. 😒

 
MikeApf said:
Yeah, props to Dallas D...they played lights out.  

If there was a way to improve his arm strength and decision making when behind that would be great. Not sure how much you can improve arm strength simply through conditioning and mechanics but he should do that even if he's gonna be a backup.  I do hope they keep him in some capacity...
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I think the WFT has definitely found their back-up QB in Heinicke.

 
The remaining D-linemen:

DT Daron Payne
DT Matt Ioannidis
DT Tim Settle
DT Daniel Wise
DE Bunmi Rotimi
DE Shaka Toney
DL David Bada  (prac. sq.)
DT Gabe Wright  (prac. sq.)

 
Washington is now in “enhanced” covid protocols, which means all players and staff, regardless of vaccination status, are required to test daily, wear masks indoors at the team’s facilities and meet virtually.
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PinkydaPimp said:
Aren’t we the leagues least vaccinated team?
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No. Initially we were one of the lowest vaccinated, but Rivera let all the players know that he's immunocompromised and that led to a lot of players getting vaccinated. Last I heard I think they were 93% vaccinated. Montez Sweat is not, however. John Allen is (and is therefore eligible to come back sooner). I don't know about the other players on the list.

 
Snyder have n hot water again. Been saying it since last year. Jeffery Bezos is going to own that team. 
 

It was cool until he stopped making them money, now the hit is out. The Gruden stuff was just a back door in. 

 

 
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fatness said:
Logan Thomas was tested and told he didn't have a torn ACL. Further testing shows he does indeed have a torn ACL.
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Huh, what in the history of the WFT medical staff would ever (cough, Trent Williams) have made us think such a thing was possible (cough, Alex Smith)?

[For the record, I have no idea who, if anyone, screwed up in any of the three cases. But I also feel like when it comes to the FT you can start with the presumption of Snyderian mismanagement. Never let me down before!]

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
Snyder have n hot water again. Been saying it since last year. Jeffery Bezos is going to own that team. 
 

It was cool until he stopped making them money, now the hit is out. The Gruden stuff was just a back door in. 

 
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From a PR perspective this would really hurt him cause it hurts NFL owners.  And man I hope he gets taken down.  But I think this was an NFL (not Federal) investigation.  And while Congress asked for documents I don't think it went beyond that. So is a law actually broken?  I don't know.  And can they really make him sell?  I don't know.  I hope you are right though.

 
This is today's Washington Post article on the 2009 sexual abuse allegations against Snyder, how they were buried with a $1.6 million payment, how Beth Wilkinson found out about it and was looking into it in her "independent" investigation of team culture, how Snyder had a former attorney of his suddenly jump in and try to prevent Wilkinson from talking to people, how Snyder hired PI's to go to homes of people Wilkinson wanted to talk to and contact their family members. He's a worse POS than we thought.

 
fatness said:
This is today's Washington Post article on the 2009 sexual abuse allegations against Snyder, how they were buried with a $1.6 million payment, how Beth Wilkinson found out about it and was looking into it in her "independent" investigation of team culture, how Snyder had a former attorney of his suddenly jump in and try to prevent Wilkinson from talking to people, how Snyder hired PI's to go to homes of people Wilkinson wanted to talk to and contact their family members. He's a worse POS than we thought.
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He's the Teflon Don of the NFL.  Somehow he never has to pay for any of this.  He's definitely a POS as you say.

 
fatness said:
If the COVID list additions continue, there actually is a chance Washington won't be able to field a team Sunday. They may have players playing Sunday who aren't even on the team today. I know they re-signed Nate Orchard today.
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I actually always liked Orchard.  He played hard.

I think a lot of the guys stepping up are good eggs and are playing hard -- guys like James Smith Williams and Toohill and so on.  It's just...there are SO MANY injuries that eventually they have to catch up with you.  Next man up...I get all that...but when you have a sizeable chunk of guys playing who weren't even on non-PS rosters...something has to give...

 
drummer said:
That's maybe because Jerrah - who IMO is the unofficial commish of the NFL - has his back.
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Also because he'll go to whatever lengths he has to in court in order to get what he wants, no matter how ridiculous or petty. Imagine the legal fight that would happen if the NFL tried to force him to sell. Goodell and co. want no part of that. 

 
fatness said:
This is today's Washington Post article on the 2009 sexual abuse allegations against Snyder, how they were buried with a $1.6 million payment, how Beth Wilkinson found out about it and was looking into it in her "independent" investigation of team culture, how Snyder had a former attorney of his suddenly jump in and try to prevent Wilkinson from talking to people, how Snyder hired PI's to go to homes of people Wilkinson wanted to talk to and contact their family members. He's a worse POS than we thought.
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One of the least significant but maybe most enlightening tidbit in this whole mess is Snyder trying to withhold Allen's severance due to the fact that Allen didn't send Snyder a congratulatory email for hiring Ron Rivera. Snyder is a spoiled child. And Goodell and the NFL owners are trying to cover it all up because they are afraid of what Snyder would uncover and publicly disclose about them if they took Snyder down.  The whole thing is sickening.

 
dhockster said:
One of the least significant but maybe most enlightening tidbit in this whole mess is Snyder trying to withhold Allen's severance due to the fact that Allen didn't send Snyder a congratulatory email for hiring Ron Rivera. Snyder is a spoiled child. And Goodell and the NFL owners are trying to cover it all up because they are afraid of what Snyder would uncover and publicly disclose about them if they took Snyder down.  The whole thing is sickening.
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I didn't know this one.  That's good info.

I would say don't show up for games or spend money on the team and hurt him that way but frankly it's meaningless.  Just as meaningless as winning and losing is to him. Even FedEx money.  It's all like a tiny decimal point.  Due to revenue sharing, the only people that can damage him in any way are the other NFL owners, and like you said, they are scared.  The fact they can't/won't get rid of this turn is embarrassing.  In the end that probably doesn't hurt him either.  They make him sell and he walks away with > $5 billion.   My guess is they ignore him as much as possible until he dies, which could easily be as much as 25+ years.  I doubt I'll live to see another WFT owner

 
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As scathing as that report is, I doubt the NFL will do anything about this. They were literally too terrified of the findings to even create a written report. They are firmly in the tank for Danny because all of these other scumbag owners likely have similar skeletons in their closet. Short of Danny Boy murdering someone on camera, us fans are unfortunately stuck with this POS (and then likely his offspring) for a long time.

I appreciate the Washington Post continuing to put up the good fight and trying to make something stick, but they are tilting at windmills here. 

The Post has become the “He can’t keep getting away with it!” Pinkman meme at this point.

 
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Johnny Utah #9 said:
As scathing as that report is, I doubt the NFL will do anything about this. They were literally too terrified of the findings to even create a written report. They are firmly in the tank for Danny because all of these other scumbag owners likely have similar skeletons in their closet. Short of Danny Boy murdering someone on camera, us fans are unfortunately stuck with this POS (and then likely his offspring) for a long time.

I appreciate the Washington Post continuing to put up the good fight and trying to make something stick, but they are tilting at windmills here. 

The Post has become the “He can’t keep getting away with it!” Pinkman meme at this point.
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The Post is owned by Bezos.  Just sayin.

 
Insein said:
Came to check on who's going to be the QB but there's a lot more here going on. 
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Such is life as a Skins/WFT fan in the Synder era.

Come for the roster news... stay for the DEA investigations, witness tampering, and intimidation tactics by our petulant toddler owner. 

 
Johnny Utah #9 said:
Such is life as a Skins/WFT fan in the Synder era.

Come for the roster news... stay for the DEA investigations, witness tampering, and intimidation tactics by our petulant toddler owner. 
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Yea. The guy is a POS and being in Washington is only fitting. I wonder how many ties he has to prominent politicians and if that is affecting the "investigation" into the organization. Might be a lot more dirt than just football related stuff in those emails. 

 
"The Washington Football Team added eight more players to the reserve/COVID-19 list on Wednesday, bringing the team's total to 18.

Per ESPN's John Keim, nine of those 18 players were possible starters for Sunday's game against the Philadelphia Eagles. Keim noted that Washington head coach Ron Rivera said he has not heard of plans to cancel the game.

Washington is already very short-handed with 13 players on injured reserve (two players are on both lists)."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021006-washington-football-team-reaches-18-players-on-covid-19-list-after-8-additions

 
fatness said:
"The Washington Football Team added eight more players to the reserve/COVID-19 list on Wednesday, bringing the team's total to 18.

Per ESPN's John Keim, nine of those 18 players were possible starters for Sunday's game against the Philadelphia Eagles. Keim noted that Washington head coach Ron Rivera said he has not heard of plans to cancel the game.

Washington is already very short-handed with 13 players on injured reserve (two players are on both lists)."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021006-washington-football-team-reaches-18-players-on-covid-19-list-after-8-additions
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I guess since Washington is not important enough, they won't move the game.  I seem to remember Ravens being catered to last year even though they had less than 18 guys on and also were guilty of violations.  But, I guess the difference is, Goddell said he wasn't gonna bail teams out this year.  Sad, this Covaid situation could directly impact the playoffs for multiple teams -- not just WFT but also teams like the Browns.

It's a tough call because this is not just a matter of injuries..it's league mandated protocol.  If Jonathan Allen is unsymptomatic he COULD play...he just CAN'T based on protcols.  And I'm not sure the evidence is great for in-game transmission (before you leap in with anti-vaxxer accusations, hold on...yes, I am vaccinated and yes, I believe in the severity of the virus and need for safety measures...it's just,.that said, I do believe that researchers have raised real questions as to the liklihood of in game transmissions, eg. https://today.tamu.edu/2021/10/29/researchers-find-no-evidence-of-in-game-covid-19-transmission-for-sec-2020-football-season/

All that said, we're basically screwed.  Eagles fans may crow, but basically they will be facing a team of practice squadders, stock boys, and various other ham and eggers.  Eagles only favored by 5?  Put your life savings on that...

 
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fatness said:
18 players currently on the COVID list. They're interviewing and signing players I've never heard of before. Pretty sure if you have a convincing, fake LinkedIn profile you can get signed for a week now.
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The roster already had several players I've never heard of before. Whoever #57 is got a decent number of snaps last week and I had never heard of him. Still don't know his name.

 
fatness said:
18 players currently on the COVID list. They're interviewing and signing players I've never heard of before. Pretty sure if you have a convincing, fake LinkedIn profile you can get signed for a week now.
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Well with the generic WFT name it’s kind of fitting we’ll be rolling out no name players. 

We are officially now one of those teams from video games that aren’t able to get NFL or NFLPA licensing.

“Washington Football Team starting safety Tean Saylor”

 
Johnny Utah #9 said:
Well with the generic WFT name it’s kind of fitting we’ll be rolling out no name players. 

We are officially now one of those teams from video games that aren’t able to get NFL or NFLPA licensing.

“Washington Football Team starting safety Tean Saylor”
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I think it's more like starting safety "FS #21"

 
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