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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (5 Viewers)

Next four weeks are key: 3-1 is doable and will probably put them in great shape, but 2-2 or worse and there's trouble looming.
Man, when this team takes the field every week there's trouble looming. They're scratching out wins close, which is awesome to see, but they could just as easily lose a couple close ones in a row or get blown out. It's hard to tell who they're going to be on the field.

I will say that the fact that our lines both outperformed Dallas's lines is highly encouraging. If that keeps up it'll keep a steady base for the rest of the season.

 
Not sure about these "Skins only have one team with a winning record left on their schedule!" takes, as if Thanksgiving in Dallas and two games in December against the defending Super Bowl champions who have lost 4 games by a total of 15 points will make for smooth sailing on the home stretch. 

Next four weeks are key: 3-1 is doable and will probably put them in great shape, but 2-2 or worse and there's trouble looming.
No game is going to be easy on our schedule.  This "easy schedule" narrative is dangerous and Gruden seriously needs to be working overtime to humble his group, particularly with how they like to follow up big wins with embarrassing losses.  Besides, a lot of those teams are like 3-4 and will have winning records when we play them.  I highly doubt the Eagles will have a losing record when we play them toward the end of the year. Consider the following opponents:

Eagles Twice -- super bowl champs for god's sake, yes they are dangerous

Falcons -- they are dangerous.  The way they score, can we keep up?

Tampa Bay -- they are dangerous.  THe way they score, can we keep up?

Houston -- they are dangerous

Giants Twice and Dallas away -- divisional games always hard

Jacksonville -- their defense is still good, though offensively they are in trouble; still with a good defense, you can win any game.

Tennessee -- they've lost a lot of close games and don't suck

Honestly, I don't see any games that I'd predict a win outright. 

We are going to have to scrap for everything we get.  I just hope to God Gruden is keeping his team in that mindset.

 
No game is going to be easy on our schedule.  This "easy schedule" narrative is dangerous and Gruden seriously needs to be working overtime to humble his group, particularly with how they like to follow up big wins with embarrassing losses.  Besides, a lot of those teams are like 3-4 and will have winning records when we play them.  I highly doubt the Eagles will have a losing record when we play them toward the end of the year. Consider the following opponents:

Eagles Twice -- super bowl champs for god's sake, yes they are dangerous

Falcons -- they are dangerous.  The way they score, can we keep up?

Tampa Bay -- they are dangerous.  THe way they score, can we keep up?

Houston -- they are dangerous 

Giants Twice and Dallas away -- divisional games always hard 

Jacksonville -- their defense is still good, though offensively they are in trouble; still with a good defense, you can win any game.

Tennessee -- they've lost a lot of close games and don't suck

Honestly, I don't see any games that I'd predict a win outright. 

We are going to have to scrap for everything we get.  I just hope to God Gruden is keeping his team in that mindset.
You would think Week 14 vs the Giants would be close to a gimme.  If things stay on something close to their current course they'll be favored by >7 in that game.  Otherwise, yeah, totally agree.  It's not a brutal schedule but it's certainly not soft either.

This is why that Week 2 ? at home vs the Colts still bothers me.

ETA:  Apparently FBGs converts the poop emoji to a smiley face.  Learned something new today :shrug:
 

 
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It was sad listening to Tony Romo say what they should do, then sadly say what they are doing instead on that final Skins drive. They only needed a couple 1sts to run out the clock, and instead they waste opportunities with low chance runs, and have players go out of bounds. To me that points to poor coaching, and I still think Gruden should be gone after the season, but the Skins will probably do well enough for him to keep his job. 

 
It was sad listening to Tony Romo say what they should do, then sadly say what they are doing instead on that final Skins drive. They only needed a couple 1sts to run out the clock, and instead they waste opportunities with low chance runs, and have players go out of bounds. To me that points to poor coaching, and I still think Gruden should be gone after the season, but the Skins will probably do well enough for him to keep his job. 
I don't think the Smith run was a called play, but that idiot should know better than to allow himself to be pushed out of bounds after 15 years in the league.

 
True, but the first two attempts to smash into the line were also ill-conceived. 
From where I was sitting, it seemed like it was more valuable to bleed away the Cowboys timeouts than it was to take any risk with a passing play. Three runs, eat the TOs, punt and bury them with a minute to play and no way to stop the clock. 

 
OK, Danny Warbucks, I know we have a contentious relationship regarding your ill-conceived free-spending ways...

...but I wouldn't utter a negative word if you and Cousin Brucie did what you needed to do to land us Patrick Peterson. Not a word.

 
OK, Danny Warbucks, I know we have a contentious relationship regarding your ill-conceived free-spending ways...

...but I wouldn't utter a negative word if you and Cousin Brucie did what you needed to do to land us Patrick Peterson. Not a word.
How high a pick you talking?

 
So glad we didn't trade for Cooper. Dallas will regret that one. 
I'm not a Cooper-hater, but Smith doesn't throw to his WR's enough to give up a 1st for a guy that just won't get that many targets. They should already be regretting spending all that money on Richardson instead of improving their DB's.

 
BoltBacker said:
I'm not a Cooper-hater, but Smith doesn't throw to his WR's enough to give up a 1st for a guy that just won't get that many targets. They should already be regretting spending all that money on Richardson instead of improving their DB's.
I would not have minded Cooper but IMO, a # 1 draft pick is way too much to give up for that guy.  I'm a little surprised Dallas gave up that much.  It feels a bit desparate.  My sense is that Garrett's a$$ is way on the line now to win this season or lose his job.  This is a "we're winning this season" type of trade.  That's why I'm glad we didn't do it.  Our last two # 1's fed the defensive line, and look at how that is helping us...we need to keep this steady growth of something that will benefit us long term.  For instance, eventually we are going to need Trent WIlliam's replacement; he is not going to play forever...

Now, what does intrigue me is there may be some lesser tier WRs in the trade market that may be looking at.  For instance, what would it cost to get Demeryius Thomas?  IF the price was right, a guy like could help you...like say a 3rd or 4th rounder.  I'm also ok with bringing along some of other WRs when they come back from injury -- like Quinn and Sims.  But if you can get an upgrade for cheap, why not?

 
I would not have minded Cooper but IMO, a # 1 draft pick is way too much to give up for that guy.  I'm a little surprised Dallas gave up that much.  It feels a bit desparate.  My sense is that Garrett's a$$ is way on the line now to win this season or lose his job.  This is a "we're winning this season" type of trade.  That's why I'm glad we didn't do it.  Our last two # 1's fed the defensive line, and look at how that is helping us...we need to keep this steady growth of something that will benefit us long term.  For instance, eventually we are going to need Trent WIlliam's replacement; he is not going to play forever...

Now, what does intrigue me is there may be some lesser tier WRs in the trade market that may be looking at.  For instance, what would it cost to get Demeryius Thomas?  IF the price was right, a guy like could help you...like say a 3rd or 4th rounder.  I'm also ok with bringing along some of other WRs when they come back from injury -- like Quinn and Sims.  But if you can get an upgrade for cheap, why not?
I liked this post because of the Demaryius Thomas idea, which I support.  Not because of the reminder that we're going to lose Trent Williams some time in the not too distant future, which is unbelievably depressing and we should never speak of it again.

 
I would not have minded Cooper but IMO, a # 1 draft pick is way too much to give up for that guy.  I'm a little surprised Dallas gave up that much.  It feels a bit desparate.  My sense is that Garrett's a$$ is way on the line now to win this season or lose his job.  This is a "we're winning this season" type of trade.  That's why I'm glad we didn't do it.  Our last two # 1's fed the defensive line, and look at how that is helping us...we need to keep this steady growth of something that will benefit us long term.  For instance, eventually we are going to need Trent WIlliam's replacement; he is not going to play forever...

Now, what does intrigue me is there may be some lesser tier WRs in the trade market that may be looking at.  For instance, what would it cost to get Demeryius Thomas?  IF the price was right, a guy like could help you...like say a 3rd or 4th rounder.  I'm also ok with bringing along some of other WRs when they come back from injury -- like Quinn and Sims.  But if you can get an upgrade for cheap, why not?
I agree with your assessment of the Cooper trade, MIke.   It WAS a move of desperation for the Cowboys.   They've finally come to the realization that Dak isn't good enough of a QB that can elevate the level of play for his supporting cast.   In fairness, very few QBs are.   

Cooper is as maddeningly inconsistent as they come, and I know being a Raider fan.   But Jerruh saw him as being worth the gamble  given that they're in "win now" mode. Amari's had 2 1000-yard receiving seasons, and he's only 24 years old (6 months older than Calvin Ridley).   

Denver would be more than happy to part with Demaryius Thomas; they are happy with Emmanuel Sanders as the clear #1 and they absolutely are in love with Courtland Sutton.   A 4th rounder would probably get the deal done. 

 
In most of the player trades in the NFL, the draft picks given up usually aren't that much.  I could definitely see Thomas available for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

I am concerned that it takes wide receivers time to learn the offense.  It could take a while for a wr to learn the offense enough to really contribute.

And Dallas trading a 1st round pick for Cooper really does look desperate.  

 
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I disagree with folks that think Cooper for a 1st is desperate on the part of DAL.

While it wouldn't have been a good move for WAS it makes more sense for DAL imo. DAL is just admitting that they were foolish thinking that they had built a competent receiving corp to replace all the targets they lost(Bryant/Witten/even Williams who they knew was going to be suspended at some point). There were A LOT of people that expected them to draft Moore/Sutton with their 1st rounder and they didn't. IMO Cooper is better than either one of those guys. They needed someone to compliment Beasley, they already had a developmental deep threat in Gallup so they really needed a consistent mid-field threat. They could have drafted Ridley, but that would have cost them a 1st rounder. 

Anyway, back to WAS I think they really should have signed Rishard Matthews. 

 
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/expect-redskins-bring-back-trey-quinn-next-week-jamison-crowders-status-remains-unclear

Looks like Trey Quinn could hit the lineup again soon.  I’m really looking forward to see if he can contribute...

 
Giants just traded two of their best defensive players for a fourth and fifth. Morale must be high. Have fun this weekend. I roster Peterson, so I'm happy, I guess.  

 
Giants just traded two of their best defensive players for a fourth and fifth. Morale must be high. Have fun this weekend. I roster Peterson, so I'm happy, I guess.  
That said, this is setting up as a classic Redskins choke game.  We have had "sure things" in the past.  There is no "sure thing" when it comes to Redskins either a.) playing a supposedly easy opponent, b.) winning a game they have to win, or c.) winning multiple games in a row.

I sincerely hope Gruden has his guys focused. Anyone who thinks that the Giants cannot get fired up and beat the Redskins is, honestly, nuts.

Remember when the Redskins needed that last game to make the playoffs and Cousins couldn't beat the Giants BACKUP PLAYERS?  Don't talk to me about the Giants losing guys.  They are still dangerous to the Redskins and the team better be on point for 60 minutes.

Big test for coaches ability to keep the team focused IMO.

 
That said, this is setting up as a classic Redskins choke game.  We have had "sure things" in the past.  There is no "sure thing" when it comes to Redskins either a.) playing a supposedly easy opponent, b.) winning a game they have to win, or c.) winning multiple games in a row.

I sincerely hope Gruden has his guys focused. Anyone who thinks that the Giants cannot get fired up and beat the Redskins is, honestly, nuts.

Remember when the Redskins needed that last game to make the playoffs and Cousins couldn't beat the Giants BACKUP PLAYERS?  Don't talk to me about the Giants losing guys.  They are still dangerous to the Redskins and the team better be on point for 60 minutes.

Big test for coaches ability to keep the team focused IMO.
Good points. I was just blowing off steam as my family are Giants fans. I the Jets fan. I still like the Giants, though. 

 
Good points. I was just blowing off steam as my family are Giants fans. I the Jets fan. I still like the Giants, though. 
Oh yeah, I get it dude.  And sorry if I came on too strong.  As you know, the Redskins have frustrated the fans ever since Snyder bought the team 20 years ago...you are probably seeing some of that frustration boiling over.

And yeah, I can see how Giants fans might be upset over this...losing guys who have contributed and that you've grown to like.  At the same time, I think the Giants come out on top over this.  Basically, they are pulling a Philadelphia 76ers...full reboot.  They are going to shed guys and contracts and next year will likely have a top pick.  This year, they took Barkley, who honestly looks like the next Barry Sanders.  And next year, they can get a top QB.  Keep your current Wide Outs and you will have a good compliment of skill players to build on.

The Redskins are the other extreme...never allowing a "rebuilding year"...thus, Alex Smith.  No doubt the team is more competitive, but that's because of the "rebuild" on defense...spending two #1 picks in a row on defensive lineman for instance.  But while the QB will keep them in games, will he WIN games if they are behind?  That's how we "rebuild."  Giants fans should just be glad they are going to have a chance to pick a guy for the most important position on the team that can be a steady guy for 15 years...

 
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Oh yeah, I get it dude.  And sorry if I came on too strong.  As you know, the Redskins have frustrated the fans ever since Snyder bought the team 20 years ago...you are probably seeing some of that frustration boiling over.

And yeah, I can see how Giants fans might be upset over this...losing guys who have contributed and that you've grown to like.  At the same time, I think the Giants come out on top over this.  Basically, they are pulling a Philadelphia 76ers...full reboot.  They are going to shed guys and contracts and next year will likely have a top pick.  This year, they took Barkley, who honestly looks like the next Barry Sanders.  And next year, they can get a top QB.  Keep your current Wide Outs and you will have a good compliment of skill players to build on.

The Redskins are the other extreme...never allowing a "rebuilding year"...thus, Alex Smith.  No doubt the team is more competitive, but that's because of the "rebuild" on defense...spending two #1 picks in a row on defensive lineman for instance.  But while the QB will keep them in games, will he WIN games if they are behind?  That's how we "rebuild."  Giants fans should just be glad they are going to have a chance to pick a guy for the most important position on the team that can be a steady guy for 15 years...
Nah, it's cool. My brother was frustrated the last five or so years with the GM of the Giants. I actually lived in D.C. (No. MD) so I understand how the fans feel about their team. I think the Giants are pulling a full reboot, which you all haven't really been able to do because of Snyder. Too bad Ted Leonisis doesn't own your team. But I think you're better than you think. 

 
Twice last year (NY and DAL). Lost them both. 
Yeah, personally, I'm GLAD we are not heavily favored.  I wish we were huge underdogs.  Anything, anything to prevent our players from getting complacent, thinking it's in the bag, then getting roundly trounced.

In fact, my only hope for this Sunday is that we eek out any kind of win.  I'm not looking for Alex Smith to throw for 300 yards and 2 scores; I'm not looking for a blowout; I'd be cool with winning on a fourth quarter field goal.  And you know why?  Because the Redskins simply do not win three in a row.  Winning three in a row would be such a monumental step forward for Gruden that I almost can't imagine it.  

Trivia question:  when is the last time that the Redskins won three in a row?  Was it when Griffin was a rookie and we made a late run?  No wait, it was in 2015, we won four in a row to close the season.  Either way, it hasn't happened often.

 
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Why is so hard to come by updates on WAS players?   

I mean, did Chris Thompson practice today?   It’s nearly impossible to find any practice information 

 
Why is so hard to come by updates on WAS players?   

I mean, did Chris Thompson practice today?   It’s nearly impossible to find any practice information 
I heard in local radio that he did practice and that he feels he’ll play Sunday. But we’ll see.  Bibbs is filling in admirably so they may ease him back in...

 
Barkley 13 carries for 38 yards.  Our run defense is for real.

7 sacks in Eli?  Nice!

AP is a grown man.  Period.

If Smith gets going well have something.  I’m holding out hope that it’s a matter of time.  Even Doctson is starting to contribute.  But yeah I concur it would be nice to have some more from the offense.

But that said, come on guys, who predicted 5-2 after 7 games?  Not me.  I’m pleased that they have built a strong D and running game.  Just gotta add that final piece...

 
The Skins' run defense is no joke.    It is a privilege to watch Adrian Peterson play football.    And Alex Smith is still a game manager.   

 
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You guys are one of your emotional runs. I don’t know how or why you guys do this, but when you guys start believing and string just a few wins together something happens and you guys make a playoff run. Looks to be one of those years. 

I know that sounds like a banckhanded compliment but it isn’t intended that way. 

 
We won a game we should have won, and I'm going to enjoy that in the moment...

Remaining games:

Home: Falcons, Texans, Giants, Eagles

Away: Buccaneers, Cowboys (Thanksgiving), Eagles (MNF), Jaguars, Titans

Our 'formula' seems very fragile to me...

I don't think there's any question that there's still a lot of room for ugly, ahead.

 
You guys are one of your emotional runs. I don’t know how or why you guys do this, but when you guys start believing and string just a few wins together something happens and you guys make a playoff run. Looks to be one of those years. 

I know that sounds like a banckhanded compliment but it isn’t intended that way. 
We take our compliments like we take our wins: any way we can get them. 

 
prior to that run i was convinced we would still lose the damn game.  :shrug:
Dude I am nervous all game every game.  But that’s why I’m not even overly bothered about Smiths slow start.  We are winning.  For this team to win three in a row is a major accomplishment, culture wise...something to build on.  

Several stray thoughts:

On Peterson’s big run, watch Sherrif pull and demolish his man to spring the play.  A lot of folks questioned that pick but he is definitely a great player.

On QB:  we need Smith to open up more but in the three game win streak he has not turned it over once.  Last night Cousins once again put up big numbers but had an untimely pick six.  In several other Minnesota losses this year he has also committed untimely turnovers.  I am starting to read articles now saying cousins is putting up great stats but does he have the stuff to take minn to the SB...cuz that’s the only reason you pay him like that.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2803271-vikings-qb-kirk-cousins-already-looking-like-an-84-million-flop.amp.html

Sound familiar?  Now of course, Smith needs to open up more but I truly believe the team needs to be patient with him because if we just get a little more for him while maintaining the lack of turnovers we may have something...

 
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On QB:  we need Smith to open up more but in the three game win streak he has not turned it over once.  Last night Cousins once again put up big numbers but had an untimely pick six.  In several other Minnesota losses this year he has also committed untimely turnovers.  I am starting to read articles now saying cousins is putting up great stats but does he have the stuff to take minn to the SB...cuz that’s the only reason you pay him like that.  
I can’t for the life of me figure out why teams still chase explosive offenses that cost so much more money and untimely are high risk instead of ball controled defensive teams.

 

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