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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (1 Viewer)

Do you agree that he finishes behind Reed, Jackson, Garcon, and Crowder in receptions? Or do you see him overtaking one (or two) of them?
I don't know honestly.

With Jackson, he's never really been a big receptions guy and will he play in all 16? I think your receptions for him are pretty close to how he finishes.

I believe Garcon is probably the hardest WR on the team to project. We all know he can haul in a ton of passes, but since his big year in 2013, he's been the forgotten guy in the offense (now that Morris is gone). I don't think 48 is unrealistic at all there.

Crowder is another interesting one. I think he sees a lot of time in the slot and could lead the team in catches.

I'm not sure Reed gets to 90 catches and maybe that's where Doctson comes in. I could see Reed somewhere in the 70s catch wise.

 
Love the projections, dgreen! I just have a feeling (which means it wont happen) that DJax will have a bigger year, somewhere in the 60+/950+/8 range. I also think Doctson could have a ratio of catch-to-TD of somewhere close to 4:1. I can see him catching 25 passes but 6 being for RZ scores.

 
Love the projections, dgreen! I just have a feeling (which means it wont happen) that DJax will have a bigger year, somewhere in the 60+/950+/8 range. I also think Doctson could have a ratio of catch-to-TD of somewhere close to 4:1. I can see him catching 25 passes but 6 being for RZ scores.
I definitely considered a few more passing TDs for the offense. I think this offense has a top 5 upside so I will think about posting a set of optimistic projections. My pessimistic projections probably wouldn't be too much lower than what I already posted. 

 
I think Garçon is going to have a resurgence this year. No stats to back it up. He's still a baller. He has a lot to play for. I hope we feed him and keep him going. 80+ receptions, imo.

Reed will be top 3 TE if God keeps him healthy. He better not skip any prayers. Reed could break some records. If him and Cousins can synergize their faith, nothing will stop them.

DJax 40 catches for 2,800 yards and 26 TDs.

I'm pretty down on the running game. 

 
I think Garçon is going to have a resurgence this year. No stats to back it up. He's still a baller. He has a lot to play for. I hope we feed him and keep him going. 80+ receptions, imo.

Reed will be top 3 TE if God keeps him healthy. He better not skip any prayers. Reed could break some records. If him and Cousins can synergize their faith, nothing will stop them.

DJax 40 catches for 2,800 yards and 26 TDs.

I'm pretty down on the running game. 
:excited:

 
Great job with those projections dgreen and good discussion everyone.

First of all I think the total number of plays at 1030 makes sense. The offense has been a bit below this the 2 seasons with Gruden as HC. In 2013 with Skeletor the team had over 1100 plays and that makes a huge difference, almost two games more plays than the pace of the last 2 seasons. Part of the difference is the team only won 3 games in 2013 so they were passing the ball more trying to catch up

Kirk Cousins has been remarkably better at avoiding sacks than the other QB. Part of this is the offensive line showing some good improvement as well. 30 Sacks seems like a good expectation. He was sacked 26 times last year.

I am not sure if you subtracted the sack yardage before allocating the WR totals? Or if you did this the other way around? We are only talking about something like 200 yards, but those are 200 yards that receivers will still get, even though the QB passing yards will be lower.

Garcon has had a bit over 100 targets the last two seasons. 80 targets is perhaps conservative, but it makes sense as there are more quality receivers to work with now.

For Reed if I pro rate the targets from 2014 and 2015 to account for games missed, then average those two seasons of targets, I get 113. So your targets for Reed might be about 10 too high, assuming your projection is meant to be the median expectation. 125 targets certainly possible. He was on pace for 130 last season.

For Jackson using the same process I get 87 targets as his average for the last two seasons. So maybe a bit low there.

While Crowder had a lot of targets as rookie last season, if you look at the game logs, most of his high target games occurred when Jackson was out. Jackson played in the first game but he only had one target. He was not really used in the last game either. Crowder had 29 targets when Jackson was playing, game 8 through 15 which is 8 games. This would be 58 targets if it remained the same. He isn't a rookie anymore, so some improvement should be expected, 85 targets still seems like too many however, if we are assuming all of the players will be healthy I think.

I count 71 targets to the RBs in 2015 (including Carrier not sure if you guys consider him a TE or a RB?) This is significantly less than the around 100 targets that RB had in 2014. Main difference here being Roy Helu I think who got some decent opportunity that year. You have 105 targets going to RBs.  I could see shaving 20 targets from the RBs.

Personally I am pretty impressed with Josh Doctson and I think he will make a larger impact than what you have projected for him. I could see 60 targets going his way pretty easily and possibly more. Where those targets would most likely come from I think would be Crowder and the RBs.

 
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Biabreakable said:
I count 71 targets to the RBs in 2015 (including Carrier not sure if you guys consider him a TE or a RB?) This is significantly less than the around 100 targets that RB had in 2014. Main difference here being Roy Helu I think who got some decent opportunity that year. You have 105 targets going to RBs.  I could see shaving 20 targets from the RBs.
The 35 targets to Other aren't just RBs. It's anyone not listed above. I expect a third RB to emerge at some point, so whoever that is is included in Other. It also includes guys like Carrier and Ross and Grant. I'll admit, though, that I might have too many targets allocated to Other.

Other than Reed's production, I'm predicting a balanced passing attack.

 
I'm tempted to think they might pass more, because they have more talent at WR and TE than I think there is at RB. However I have never really spent much time watching Matt Jones and he is a player I hadn't even heard of prior to him being drafted. So he is still kind of an unknown for me.

I think Morris is a pretty big void to fill. Jones could be terrific and get similar carries I suppose, but throwing the ball to one of their many very good options, just may be a better play, even if they still had Morris.

Cousins doesn't run that much, so when looking at past rushing totals, those are a bit higher due to Griffin. I would still expect about 400 total rushing attempts, but I could see it possibly being less than that. Without Morris I am just not sure who all of those rushing attempts are going to. 

In 2013 when Gruden was the OC with the Bengals they had Andy Dalton throw the ball 587 times, and they ran the ball 481 times. Cousins was very efficient last season having almost 70% completion percentage. I think I would be willing to risk some regression there that might come along with more pass attempts, but there is room for doing that and weapons to work with.

You have cousins throwing 600 times already, 630 times including sacks. It is hard for me to say they would pass the ball more than this. Gruden's history suggests not.

LIke you I am not sure where those rushing attempts are going to. I don't think Chris Thompson is going to have 150 rushing attempts, but maybe he will? This unknown leads me towards thinking they will throw the ball more as well.

One thing that troubles me is that Washington played a very easy schedule last season. So the team may regress offensively due to facing better defenses this year. 

If they do pass the ball more this may mean higher total offensive plays. Because generally passing the ball is a more efficient way to move the ball. So perhaps they still run the ball 400 times, but the total plays are more like 1060 and that is where the extra passing attempts come from.

 
Oof.

Also, Kyshoen Jarrett has been waived. He received a ton of praise prior to his injury late last season.

 
Time to cut bait on Galette. Waist of a roster spot. At least it was an inexpensive backfire. And he thought he deserved a better contract during the off season. Pffffft.

 
Thompson has been running with the ones...anything to see here? May pre-emotively pick him up.
If its anything like last year, you are going to have no clue week to week who will get the bulk of the touches.  It typically depended on game situation.  I suspect it will be the same.  But who knows.  Probably worth a late round flyer tho. 

 
Bucky86 said:
Thompson has been running with the ones...anything to see here? May pre-emotively pick him up.
True RBBC. Jones and even Marshall have also been getting reps with the ones. Mostly Jones, and he's been catching tons of check downs from Cousins as well.

 
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Cooley was slobbering all over Matt Jones this morning, and said the other RBs aren't doing anything.
Yeah everything I heard was that Jones has been much improved. I saw an article stating that Thompson looks good too but Thompson himself is quoted within the story essentially stating Jones was going to be the lead dog and he'd be #2.

 
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Josh Doctson - WR - Redskins
Redskins first-round WR Josh Doctson (Achilles') is now in a walking boot.
The team insists Doctson hasn't suffered a setback, and they only put him in the boot for rest purposes. When reporters asked Doctson about the boot, Doctson said the team told him not to talk about his injury. The 22nd pick in the draft has been out since May. He appears weeks away from a return.
 
Well that doesn't sound good...
 
Josh Doctson - WR - Redskins
Redskins first-round WR Josh Doctson (Achilles') is now in a walking boot.
The team insists Doctson hasn't suffered a setback, and they only put him in the boot for rest purposes. When reporters asked Doctson about the boot, Doctson said the team told him not to talk about his injury. The 22nd pick in the draft has been out since May. He appears weeks away from a return.
 
Well that doesn't sound good...
:wall:

 
Meh, he realistically wasn't going to be lighting it up this season anyway.  This was always a draft pick with 2017 in mind (after they let Jackson and/or Garcon walk away).

 
I read that Scott McCloughan put his hand through a wall when he heard about Dobson's injury. 

Don't believe anything Chris Cooley says when it comes to talent evaluation. He slobbers all over everybody. I really enjoy his game break downs but I learned last year not to trust his evaluation of talent.  If you listen to him on the radio you'll also learn he's a filthy dirty ball. Rarely showers, fungus, ear wax-  I mean he's really gross.

ETA- I don't want to get anybody in trouble for telling me this so I will only say that the stories of Scot McCloughan being a raging drunk are still true.

 
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Josh Doctson - WR - Redskins
Redskins first-round WR Josh Doctson (Achilles') is now in a walking boot.
The team insists Doctson hasn't suffered a setback, and they only put him in the boot for rest purposes. When reporters asked Doctson about the boot, Doctson said the team told him not to talk about his injury. The 22nd pick in the draft has been out since May. He appears weeks away from a return.
 
Well that doesn't sound good...
My 25 catch projection may be too high. 

 
Tight end Jordan Reed has been ruled out for Thursday’s preseason opener against the Atlanta Falcons, Redskins Coach Jay Gruden said on Tuesday. He will not travel with the team and will continue to receive treatment on his sprained left thumb.

Left tackle Trent Williams will make the trip, but he’s a game-time decision with knee soreness. Gruden said he’ll determine whether Williams will play right before the game. Gruden has already ruled out wide receivers Josh Doctson, Jamison Crowder and Reggie Diggs, along with tight end Derek Carrier.

Linebacker Preston Smith suffered a strained shoulder during practice, but Gruden said there’s a good chance he suits up in Atlanta.

Gruden plans to play everyone who travels, and it’ll be a coaches’ decision on how long the starters remain in the game.

“I’ll put them through pregame warmups, and once the game gets started, I’ll make my determination on who to take out and when to take them out,” Gruden said. “That’ll be solely my decision, and we’ll go from there.”

He said he set a plan in place on how many snaps players will receive, and Gruden will inform offensive coordinator Sean McVay, defensive coordinator Joe Barry and special teams coordinator Ben Kotwica so they can make the necessary adjustments to their game plans.

“For the most part, I’ll give them a heads up on what I anticipate happening,” Gruden said. “But sometimes on game day, things change. Somebody gets nixed and somebody might have to play more than we anticipated, but the plan is to make sure everybody is ready to play a football game Thursday night and then I’ll make the decision on who comes out when.”
Washington Post

 
Why would you even consider playing Williams if he's dinged?
So that you don't have to worry about playing Cousins...

Personally, I'd roll out Nsekhe at LT and McCoy at QB. Give the starters one or two drives but don't risk two of our best players if Trent isn't at his best. 

I'm sure Cousins will play though, Nsekhe has been impressive blocking in the passing game.

 
Cousins will probably get what, a series? No way I would risk Williams' over that.
Agreed. Really, Cousins gets rid of the ball so quickly that I wouldn't worry about it even if he's missing Trent, Reed, Crowder, and LG isn't settled. He's not going to get clobbered like Griffin in preseason last year regardless of what happens.

 
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Cowboys and Eagles having a lot of important guys suspended...so nice not to be dealing with those types of players anymore, it seems. We really need to hope the team takes advantage and starts hot, could build a nice little cushion in the division to start the year if things go well.

 
What are your guys thoughts on the Norman/FOX deal? I don't see it as an issue at all. If Norman loses focus on a game by talking on pregame show for a few minutes a week, then he isn't the player we all thought he was. I love the high and mighty crowd of "he needs to be focused on his job". I'd like to ask all of those people if they take any personal calls/emails/texts throughout their work day and if they only talk work while at work and nothing else.

As for the preseason game, I'm not expecting to see the starters for long tomorrow night. If they get more than a series or 2, I'll be surprised.

 
What are your guys thoughts on the Norman/FOX deal? I don't see it as an issue at all. If Norman loses focus on a game by talking on pregame show for a few minutes a week, then he isn't the player we all thought he was. I love the high and mighty crowd of "he needs to be focused on his job". I'd like to ask all of those people if they take any personal calls/emails/texts throughout their work day and if they only talk work while at work and nothing else.

As for the preseason game, I'm not expecting to see the starters for long tomorrow night. If they get more than a series or 2, I'll be surprised.
Like most things if Norman is playing well it doesn't matter.  If he gets torched then it becomes a question (but it sounds like it's a few minutes a week).

  I may be inclined to think that Norman is happy he got paid and had that "I made it, now I can relax" mindset, however everything I've ever read about him doesn't sound like he's that type of player.

 
Cowboys and Eagles having a lot of important guys suspended...so nice not to be dealing with those types of players anymore, it seems. We really need to hope the team takes advantage and starts hot, could build a nice little cushion in the division to start the year if things go well.
It's a peculiar feeling being the more stable organization in The Division. 

 
Somehow, I stayed awake for the whole game last night.

I enjoyed keeping an eye on Cravens. He looks so small at the ILB position. Not that I know what I'm talking about, but I have my doubts that he's a good fit there. A few times I noticed him getting totally manhandled when OL were able to get their hands on him. He couldn't get away once they made contact with him. But, on many plays, they weren't able to get to him and make that contact. Cravens seemed to be around the ball a lot and he likes to throw in that extra shoulder to a player on their way down. He made a couple highlight reel tackles (one on a kick return and another on a RB in the backfield), but it appeared he made no effort to wrap up on either of those plays. That may not work as well against starters in the regular season.

 
I watched until about half way through the 3rd quarter.  My quick thoughts:

The first drive looked good.  Cousins looked good, spreading the ball around and going 5/5.  The holding penalty on Jones' run derailed the drive.  After that, there was very little offense.  If they cannot run the ball, the offense is very dependent on Cousins playing well and distributing the ball.  That's how it was last year and this year could be a repeat.

I thought the defense looked pretty good.  There were two big pass plays were it was clear the DB had no idea where the ball was.  They were on Dunbar and Harris.  That certainly is not a good trait in a DB.

I thought Spaight looked good with the 2nd stringers. 

The most notable on the who played when:

Long started at LG.  Lauvao played with the 2nd stringers.  If Lauvao cannot win the starting job, he could be a salary cap casualty.

Ryan Grant got time with the starters.  His roster spot looks pretty safe.

Bruton started as SS.   Ihenacho and Blackmon played with the 2nd stringers.

After Jones and Thompson, Keith Marshall played next, then Robert Kelley.

I am still not a fan of Joe Theisman as an announcer.  After Vernon Davis dropped a TD, rather than saying he has got to catch that ball, he says what a great job he did to get open and what a great player he will be for the team.

 
If the Matt Jones injury is serious can Thompson carry the load?
No.  Thompson lacks the skill set and durability to be an early down RB IMO.  Even prior to Jones' injury tonight many who follow the team locally were predicting the Skins would sign another RB even if it was after week 1 to avoid fully guaranteeing a veteran contract. Bringing back Pierre Thomas has been talked about as an option.

If Jones is out for an extended period I'd expect them to sign a FA and that RB would likel compete for early down work with Marshall and Kelley if they both make the team.

 
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If the Matt Jones injury is serious can Thompson carry the load?
I don't think so. He's 5'7, 190 lbs. and has his own durability concerns. To be honest, I liked him more than Jones in PPR anyway since Vegas is projecting WAS to be the underdog often (11 times) this season.. plus I'm not sold on Jones. Generally, I won't own many WAS players this year.

 
Let's talk fantasy implications if Jones does miss extended time.

Granted they don't see Thompson as an every-down guy.  Do we see Marshall, Kelley or Brown even having the chance to emerge as the primary back, or does this become a muddled, hot-hand committee mess? 

And is the OL bad enough that we should stay away even if someone does cement their status as the primary back?

 
Let's talk fantasy implications if Jones does miss extended time.

Granted they don't see Thompson as an every-down guy.  Do we see Marshall, Kelley or Brown even having the chance to emerge as the primary back, or does this become a muddled, hot-hand committee mess? 

And is the OL bad enough that we should stay away even if someone does cement their status as the primary back?


No.  Thompson lacks the skill set and durability to be an early down RB IMO.  Even prior to Jones' injury tonight many who follow the team locally were predicting the Skins would sign another RB even if it was after week 1 to avoid fully guaranteeing a veteran contract. Bringing back Pierre Thomas has been talked about as an option.

If Jones is out for an extended period I'd expect them to sign a FA and that RB would likel compete for early down work with Marshall and Kelley if they both make the team.

 
Let's talk fantasy implications if Jones does miss extended time.

Granted they don't see Thompson as an every-down guy.  Do we see Marshall, Kelley or Brown even having the chance to emerge as the primary back, or does this become a muddled, hot-hand committee mess? 

And is the OL bad enough that we should stay away even if someone does cement their status as the primary back?
From a redraft perspective I will not really be looking at this backfield at all. I would take Jones if he was available REALLY late/cheap but I've never been fully confident in his ability to be the feature RB despite the physical talent, a few flashes last year, the GM talking him up a bit over extended periods of time, and the team's willingess to go into this season with him as the starter.  Stranger things have happened but I do not see any of the other RBs on the roster right now having any real FF value this season. So based on your language I would say the scale is tipped much more toward a muddled, hot-hand committee mess.

The O-line was horrible at run blocking last year but I don't think they will be that bad this season.  Trent Williams, who hasnt played in either of the first 2 pre-season games, is an all-pro level LT.  At RG Scherff was solid as a rookie and has all pro ability.  At RT Morgan Moses made a huge step last year and despite still needing work he has a lot of size, pretty good feet and athleticism, and should be above average in the run game. The biggest questions are at center where Lichtensteiger is undersized and undermanned and LG where Lavauo is coming off an injury and I was never a big fan of his to begin with.  But apparently he played pretty well early in 2015 and the Skins ypc went from 4.59 in the 3 games he played to a dreadful 3.39 the rest of the season.  So if a RB emerges I doubt it will be the line that holds them back. 

But again not a lot of value right now in the Skins backfield this year.  The strength of the offense is the passing game and I do think the line/running game is still in transition from the zone blocking schemes of the previous coaching staff to the more power oriented style that Gruden and company want to utilize. The stars could align for Jones to have a decent FF season but personally not convinced he isnt just a great physical specimen who doesnt have a real feel for the position or the game.  

From a fan perspective, I do think going into camp without another RB on the roster was a mistake. I'm on board with over 90% of what Scotch has done since he's been here but I think he's been negligent in addressing the run game this off season.  I didnt pay as much attention as to what was out there in FA and the draft but I would have liked to see them be more aggressive in bringing in a veteran RB and upgrading the C position. 

 
Ive been hearing that they are excited about some tackle and even made crazy statements like maybe letting him take Trents spot. :loco:


 



I think they guys name isTy Nsekhe.



Sorry for the crazy font size. I copied the dudes name and well, you know how stupid this board is.

 
Scot McCloughan is one of the best GMs in the league but you gotta scratch your head at the state of the Skins backfield. The cupboard looks bare.
Matt Jones is hot garbage. The kid Kieth Marshall is a lot like Michael Bennett back in Minny was, too damn fast for his own good and doesn't display patience or good vision.

I think they sign a back that gets cut and bring back Pierre Thomas, who fits what they do better then anybody else they have. At least that was the case last year. Id watch what happens with the Cowboys backfield. They cant keep all those back and if they don't cut Dunbar, I think McFadden could be the odd man out. If he is cut I think the Skins show some strong interest.

 
Wow.  I think I'm in 100% agreement with a SteadyMobbin post. And McFadden doesnt do anything for me but he's a serviceable player.

Link below is likely what you are referring to on Nsehke.  He's a massive backup T who played in the CFL and is 30 already.  The talk of him taking Trent Williams spot was in response to a hypothetical and was basically about putting the best 5 linemen on the field and moving Trent to left guard.  I wouldn't put much stock in that. At 6'8 I cant see Nsehke playing guard but he is a good backup T and I guess could push Moses at RT if he regresses any or doesnt develop further.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/08/09/redskins-gm-backup-tackle-ty-nsekhe-would-start-for-half-the-nfls-teams/

 
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I think Karlos Williams could be a possibility.  From what I read, he has the talent.  But it is not clear if he can pass McLoughan's look in the eye test that he will do better and that he loves football.

 
I think Karlos Williams could be a possibility.  From what I read, he has the talent.  But it is not clear if he can pass McLoughan's look in the eye test that he will do better and that he loves football.
i heard his weight was up to like 260!!  is he even in shape?

Also Ronnie hillman may not make the roster in denver.  Might be a fit.

 

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