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Sidewinder16
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Some more Vinnie...
2hDanny Favret @Danny_Favret
"It would not shock me to see him cut that cord." Vinny Cerrato talking about Dan Snyder firing Bruce Allen
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Cerrato "I would put more on Bruce Allen than I would Dan Snyder." #Redskins
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More Cerrato "Since Dan has owned the team, this is the worst it's ever been." #Redskins
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Vinny Cerrato says Dan Snyder does not like negative attention and if firing Bruce Allen can stop this "Bye, bye Bruce" #Redskins
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dgreen
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@FieldYates
Legendary Raiders Owner Al Davis - who groomed Washington prez Bruce Allen - once tried to hire Mayock in Oakland.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Brunell4MVP said:
What are you rolling your eyes for? He's factually correct on all counts:Hang 10 said:
1. The tickets are cheaper
2. The organization is better run
3. That parking lot is a cool breeze compared to parking at FedEx
Almost 50 years ago I was born a 'skins fan. I attended games in my Momma's belly. Up until very recently I've emphatically stated: "I bleed burgundy and gold!!!". Born and raised in MD, most kids I knew had 2 favorite Teams: NFC Team: Redskins, AFC Team: Colts...then the Colts stole away under the cover of darkness. Fans in my demographic waited long years for Baltimore to get awarded an NFL Franchise. Unfortunately, when it finally happened, they wound up getting the Browns, in a remarkably similar way that Indianapolis acquired our Colts. I'm in the extreme minority on this, but despite how much I admire how well that organization is run, and how successful they've been, I can't embrace the Ravens like I once did the Colts...the reason being that I think it's hypocritical to be so upset about how the Colts left, and then opening your doors to a Team migrating under similar circumstances. I'm a very principled fellow, and maybe that gives you all some insight as to how I'm wired. I'd rather still be waiting for a true, start from scratch expansion Team to cultivate in Baltimore, than have any allegiance or love for the migrating Modell's.
I've been struggling to put into words, where I'm at with the Redskins right now. I've had this feeling inside of me for a while now, this melancholy that seemed familiar, but I just couldn't place. I'm a night-owl by nature, and lately I've been immersed in NCAA hoops. When the games end, I'm so amped up, but there's a void of activity I need to fill while I wind down, and it's given me time to really think through my past, when I felt like this before, and I finally hit on it late last night, dredging up some stuff from my past that I'd buried for more than half my life...fresh out of college, I was young and in the deepest love I'd ever been in. Thought I had met 'the one'; the love of my lifetime. It was a long, and deep relationship that I thought would never end. Right around the time we were getting ready to make it a lifetime commitment, she went through some crisis and drama. It wasn't something she saw coming, and mostly not her fault or the result of her own decisions...but the aftermath absolutely was centered around what she made of it. Long story short, she didn't make lemonade out of the lemons life gave her, and refused to allow anyone who loved her to generate any positive impact as she spiraled downward and eventually engaged in self-destructive behavior. Alienated pretty much everyone along the way, but it took forever...I, and others, tried for a long time to love her...to stay in love with her...because she was such a special person, I know we all tried more than any rational human being would have...but that's the way love is: It takes objectivity and reason and logic and throws it all out the window. To top it all off, she exuded charisma - alluring is a sensual word that probably describes her best. She was captivating - drew you in. People just couldn't walk away; kept giving her second chances, then..."just when I thought I was out...you pulled me back in"...eventually, after plenty of heartache, and multiple heartbreaks, all of us reached the same conclusion - it took some longer than others, but the conclusion was inevitable. She'd just changed. Fundamentally, and incontrovertibly, she'd become someone else - something other than that which she once was. And what she once was, probably wasn't coming back in our lifetimes. Hasn't yet, and it's been over 2 decades. Years later, I remember her fondly, and I cherish those memories, but I've moved on. I'm removed enough from that whole situation by now that I can look back and see it with crystal clarity; hindsight, of course, but I'll never forget that love I felt, the love I was in, that time of my life, or that person that gave me cause to love them so...but the someone they are now is not, and likely never will be, the someone she once was...but I'm better for the experience, and wiser, if not healthily cynical, for it...which is what is allowing me to detach myself to some degree from this latest catastrophe, and take it more in stride. I guess I've grown up a little...
I don't know how many of you are my age, or how many of you were born and raised here, but for those of us born in the late 60's early 70's into established Maryland families who already bled burgundy and gold for years, it might help to understand that we were raised in our fandom by people who had been fans of a pretty decent team from the 30's through the mid-40's, and then had tolerate almost THREE DECADES of utter garbage and complete #### show that was the Redskins of that era, before Vince Lombardi's one year marked a transformation that would span the better part of 3 decades. I was born in '68 - my Dad was 55 at the time, as hard-core a fan as you could imagine, who'd seen every Season (can you imagine, he was 25 when the Redskins moved here from Boston)! He would talk about hitting the lottery in 68-69: he had a son, and Vince Lombardi arrived in Washington, and life was nothing but positive after that. Looking back, it's kind of ironic that he passed in August of 1999. He missed arguably the last good Team of that era, but never had to endure a return to a situation worse than the one he'd had to endure as a fan through that stretch of mid-40's through late 60's. George Allen seems a lot like my Dad. I'd like to think that if he was around, he'd take Bruce out behind the woodshed for how he's performed in his role with the Redskins. Talk about shaming a legacy...
...and, unfortunately, there's no reason to believe there's nothing but more of the same ahead for the forseeable future. I've figured out where I am with the Redskins right now: It's said that the opposite of love is not hate...but rather, indifference. I'd say I'm 'detached', and that's the best I can do for now.
Hang 10
Footballguy
I'm rolling my eyes because only a drama queen would have to announce the end of their fandom. Do you tell people you're unfollowing them on twitter too? Go hop on another bandwagon. Who gives a ####.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Thoughts on Mike Mayock as a potential new GM? He seems knowledgeable and at least seems respected by his peers...
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I find this intriguing simply because he obviously has a TON of info from agents, GMs, etc. I could see that being a plus in that there are a lot of existing relationships. It could also be a huge negative because GMs could be irritated that they gave him info as a journalist that he could take advantage of as a GM.
If he doesn't get the job, I would imagine that his information pipeline would change quite dramatically once GMs and agents realize that he may be interested in being a GM.
Although, to be truthful, I'm not sure how much info he gets from those guys versus him just watching tape and analyzing data.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I told you guys about Scott's drinking months ago.
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
Schefter
WR Terrelle Pryor is signing a one-year deal with Washington , per sources.
WR Terrelle Pryor is signing a one-year deal with Washington , per sources.
dgreen
Footballguy
NickyHatton
Footballguy
Everyone knew about his drinking unless you had your head in the sand. That ESPN article from a few years back spelled it out for all potential future employers:
"I'd think to myself, 'OK, Scot, why not have a beer? It never affected your life before; you went from being an area scout to being general manager. Don't touch the vodka, don't touch the hard stuff. But if you want to have a beer, have a beer.' So that's where I got to. I stopped going to AA."
That's what he says he will tell NFL teams if they come calling now.
Wish it were more than one year but good signing nonetheless.
if Doctson can get healthy and Harris can continue to develop the wr group may not be the disaster all the experts were predicting
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
Seems cheap for Pryor.
UPDATE - Terrelle Pryor's one-year, $8MM #Redskins deal more like $6MM + incentives:
profootballrumors.com/2017/03/breaki…
UPDATE - Terrelle Pryor's one-year, $8MM #Redskins deal more like $6MM + incentives:
profootballrumors.com/2017/03/breaki…
MattFancy
Footballguy
I like the Pryor move. Think he did 1 year so he can show teams last year wasn't a fluke and try and get more money next year. Don't think it necessarily says anything about the Cousins situation.
If, and it may be a big IF, Doctson is healthy, our receiving corps could be pretty solid. Pryor, Crowder, Doctson, Reed, and Davis. I could live with that.
Now, they just need to find a way to get Cousins long-term, add some more DL, LB, and safety help. Despite all the McCloughan drama, all hope may not be lost for this team yet.
If, and it may be a big IF, Doctson is healthy, our receiving corps could be pretty solid. Pryor, Crowder, Doctson, Reed, and Davis. I could live with that.
Now, they just need to find a way to get Cousins long-term, add some more DL, LB, and safety help. Despite all the McCloughan drama, all hope may not be lost for this team yet.
Well said MF...even with all this ####e going on, they still have opportunity here. We'll see what happens...
NickyHatton
Footballguy
Seems that way. Worked out well for Okung this offseason. Plus Pryor should have plenty of targets available to puff up those numbers.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Dude just got fired from an NFL team for the 3rd time due to his drinking. And the team obviously felt that it was such a problem, that they fired him at the absolute worst possible time for the team. There's no way you send your GM home during the combine and then fire him on the even of free agency unless he is absolutely killing your team.
I don't think he has to worry about NFL teams calling him up any time soon.
On the other hand, who would have thought he would have ever got a 3rd chance?
MattFancy
Footballguy
Oh yeah, he'll be a good fit in Jay's offense. And with the way the Skins throw the ball around, he should put up good numbers. He had similar numbers to DJax last season and that was with him playing with the mess the Browns had at QB and with him basically being their only option. Now he has Crowder and Reed to take pressure off him and maybe a healthy Doctson. Pryor should be in for a good year.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.cleveland.com/v1/articles/19327112/how_badly_does_terrelle_pryor.amp
This is the type of guy they are getting with Pryor. Last year with Cleveland loss after loss he laid it out there. People talk about his character but I see a lot of positives in his character that could be really good for the team.
This is the type of guy they are getting with Pryor. Last year with Cleveland loss after loss he laid it out there. People talk about his character but I see a lot of positives in his character that could be really good for the team.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/10/cordarrelle-patterson-visits-washington-oakland/
and here's the speed wr to stretch the field...
and here's the speed wr to stretch the field...
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I have heard nothing but good things about the guy, what are these bad things people say?
Good signing for you guys. Gratz.
The Terrel McClain signing is solid but that's it. I think it hurts us more than it helps you.
Maybe Baker was too vocal? He was a very good player but had a bigger mouth. Wear out his welcome?
Also - The fans jumping ship are disgusting. I play basketball with two Redskin fans and every so often they threaten to jump ship and change their Facebook accounts to other teams logos like Green Bay or the Giants.
Both have jumped ship. Both won't be getting anymore Wizards or Skins tickets.
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BoltBacker
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When I see teams hire a TV personality as their GM it makes me wonder if a team executive and/or HC want to have more power. They are putting a face the public recognizes and a good public communicator in the position but I'm not sure if they will be a "real" GM or not. That's what the SF move was all about imo and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what is playing out here.
NickyHatton
Footballguy
I just don't understand why the Browns gave Kenny Britt 4 yrs 33 mil, but not Pryor?
edit: actually the more I think about it he has a better chance for big numbers in WAS (and a bigger contract next offseason) than he would in CLE. Makes sense if he's betting on himself
edit: actually the more I think about it he has a better chance for big numbers in WAS (and a bigger contract next offseason) than he would in CLE. Makes sense if he's betting on himself
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BoltBacker
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I have no idea how much the guy drinks. All I know is since the day he got hired the measure of WAS playing well has been whether they get to the playoffs and if so how far. The previous two years before he got there the Redskins had averaged 3.5 wins/season. The seven years before he got there WAS finished above .500 once. In two years WAS was above .500 twice. Maybe he's a functional drunk, I have no idea. But if I were a Jags, chargers or Browns fan I'd give the guy an unlimited tab to at the very least head up my scouting department. There are so many retreads in the NFL that do their job terribly, here you have a guy that is actually good at his job whether he's sober or not.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Check out that Alshon Jeffery contract. Guaranteed $9.5M + incentives up to $4.5M. I have no idea how teams like SF/CLE didn't double those numbers as they were ~$100M under the cap at the start of FA. After seeing some of these WR contracts this offseason(and keep in mind the salary cap went up substantially) I can't help but wonder if there is some sort of collusion going on. I wouldn't put it past the NFL owners.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Seems like my kinda player. Not happy you got him.
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Brunell4MVP
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+1 nittany.
Born in downtown DC in 1970. Raised by parents who moved here from Georgia. And they too were lifelong Redskins fans because the Falcons didn't start until about 1965. So they grew up Skins fans - at that time all the Southeast US rooted for the Skins with the exception of Florida who had the Fins.
I attended many, many games at RFK. We would rush from church in Springfield and pull into a back lot (for no charge) around 12:45. My Dad always had headphones on and listened to Sonny and Sam the whole game. Times were different then. We brought our own cooler to the game, full of sandwiches and drinks. The only thing you couldn't bring in was alcohol. Fans were into the football. There were no suites, social media, cell phones, or other distractions. The band was a real show. There was almost no cussing or drunks in the stands. People were there to see the Skins, whether it was the bad days of Pardee or the good days of Gibbs. Our whole section would talk about the plays they ran, who was playing well, news, etc. Stuff that now everyone can see on their phone. I remember Monte Coleman and Dave Butz were particular favorites of the guy behind us (Jaquon and his family - Hard to believe I remember his name).
Sure it's nostalgic. But those memories are the reasons I have so much trouble watching this team now.
Now the team practices in Ashburn and plays in Raljon - thank you DC mayor for the 1.5 hour difference in those locations. Drinks and food are crazy expensive. Traffic is horrible. There is no metro to the games. Nothing that has happened since the last days of JKC has been positive. It wears on one. I could handle the losing, I really could. I suffered through it pre-Gibbs. But the treatment of the fans has been terrible. I expect this is the case in many cities as the NFL has become such a juggernaut and cash cow for not only the owners, but also the players and everyone affiliated with it. It's fine. i know times change.
But I cannot stand the dysfunction off the field.
Treat your fans right. Treat your employees with respect. Don't leak info. This is where I dislike the org. They don't do this. Snyder may want to win, but he doesn't care about how people are treated in the process, and that's the way he runs all his businesses. And it's hard to separate their failure on this level with what happens on the field. I used Balt as an example because they run a good organization. And it all starts with a good owner and classy GM.
Interestingly, as one that cannot stand Snyder because I think he's a bad guy because of the awful culture he creates, I think he's stepped back too much. I think he's overreacted to initial complaints about his involvement, it bothered him, and he turned it over to Bruce - who at least had some football operations experience. Unfortunately he picked the wrong person to turn it over to, and the result is the same mess Snyder has been through various times for various reasons. Of all things, I think Snyder needs to be more public in how he is going to fix this mess. He should have been on the podium talking McCloughan. He should have been on the podium talking Cousins. Normally I would not say this. But the team has gone down such a dark road in 2 months that he needs to show his smug mug.
The McCloughan thing. I suspect he was still drinking, I suspect Allen told him to stay away a long time ago because of it. But they handled it all wrong. It should have been done after the season, with an explanation, and a statement saying they had tried to help him, encouraged him to get more help, and they really hoped he got better. But none of that. Just "Fired for Cause. No questions". The handling of that is totally on Bruce. It's like legal is hovering over every decision.
Amazingly I don't mind what they've done so far in FA. If somehow they could get that long term Cousins deal, it doesn't look too bad. They didn't overpay to keep Garcon or Jackson. Not sure what happened with Baker. Maybe a new scheme with the new DC? They got a young big WR. They got a S.
The key to keeping it all together is either: 1) firing Allen while at the same time reaching an agreement with Cousins, or 2) trading Cousins for whatever you can get - might be down to a second rounder at this point. Option #1 is FAR, FAR better to me. There are a lot of people that can GM a football team, but there are only 15 top QBs in the league. At least this way, on the field the team has a chance.
I'll as always watch with hopes. It's in my blood and all it costs me is time. But as for spending money on tickets, apparel, etc - I haven't bought a Redskins thing in at least 5 years and certainly won't until the organization isn't a laughing stock. I have bought Ravens and Falcons tickets, and my son a Julio Jones jersey. I'm sure in some way Snyder gets a cut of those purchases. But as for direct Skins money exiting my pockets - not until these guys truly are a functional organization both on and off the field.
Born in downtown DC in 1970. Raised by parents who moved here from Georgia. And they too were lifelong Redskins fans because the Falcons didn't start until about 1965. So they grew up Skins fans - at that time all the Southeast US rooted for the Skins with the exception of Florida who had the Fins.
I attended many, many games at RFK. We would rush from church in Springfield and pull into a back lot (for no charge) around 12:45. My Dad always had headphones on and listened to Sonny and Sam the whole game. Times were different then. We brought our own cooler to the game, full of sandwiches and drinks. The only thing you couldn't bring in was alcohol. Fans were into the football. There were no suites, social media, cell phones, or other distractions. The band was a real show. There was almost no cussing or drunks in the stands. People were there to see the Skins, whether it was the bad days of Pardee or the good days of Gibbs. Our whole section would talk about the plays they ran, who was playing well, news, etc. Stuff that now everyone can see on their phone. I remember Monte Coleman and Dave Butz were particular favorites of the guy behind us (Jaquon and his family - Hard to believe I remember his name).
Sure it's nostalgic. But those memories are the reasons I have so much trouble watching this team now.
Now the team practices in Ashburn and plays in Raljon - thank you DC mayor for the 1.5 hour difference in those locations. Drinks and food are crazy expensive. Traffic is horrible. There is no metro to the games. Nothing that has happened since the last days of JKC has been positive. It wears on one. I could handle the losing, I really could. I suffered through it pre-Gibbs. But the treatment of the fans has been terrible. I expect this is the case in many cities as the NFL has become such a juggernaut and cash cow for not only the owners, but also the players and everyone affiliated with it. It's fine. i know times change.
But I cannot stand the dysfunction off the field.
Treat your fans right. Treat your employees with respect. Don't leak info. This is where I dislike the org. They don't do this. Snyder may want to win, but he doesn't care about how people are treated in the process, and that's the way he runs all his businesses. And it's hard to separate their failure on this level with what happens on the field. I used Balt as an example because they run a good organization. And it all starts with a good owner and classy GM.
Interestingly, as one that cannot stand Snyder because I think he's a bad guy because of the awful culture he creates, I think he's stepped back too much. I think he's overreacted to initial complaints about his involvement, it bothered him, and he turned it over to Bruce - who at least had some football operations experience. Unfortunately he picked the wrong person to turn it over to, and the result is the same mess Snyder has been through various times for various reasons. Of all things, I think Snyder needs to be more public in how he is going to fix this mess. He should have been on the podium talking McCloughan. He should have been on the podium talking Cousins. Normally I would not say this. But the team has gone down such a dark road in 2 months that he needs to show his smug mug.
The McCloughan thing. I suspect he was still drinking, I suspect Allen told him to stay away a long time ago because of it. But they handled it all wrong. It should have been done after the season, with an explanation, and a statement saying they had tried to help him, encouraged him to get more help, and they really hoped he got better. But none of that. Just "Fired for Cause. No questions". The handling of that is totally on Bruce. It's like legal is hovering over every decision.
Amazingly I don't mind what they've done so far in FA. If somehow they could get that long term Cousins deal, it doesn't look too bad. They didn't overpay to keep Garcon or Jackson. Not sure what happened with Baker. Maybe a new scheme with the new DC? They got a young big WR. They got a S.
The key to keeping it all together is either: 1) firing Allen while at the same time reaching an agreement with Cousins, or 2) trading Cousins for whatever you can get - might be down to a second rounder at this point. Option #1 is FAR, FAR better to me. There are a lot of people that can GM a football team, but there are only 15 top QBs in the league. At least this way, on the field the team has a chance.
I'll as always watch with hopes. It's in my blood and all it costs me is time. But as for spending money on tickets, apparel, etc - I haven't bought a Redskins thing in at least 5 years and certainly won't until the organization isn't a laughing stock. I have bought Ravens and Falcons tickets, and my son a Julio Jones jersey. I'm sure in some way Snyder gets a cut of those purchases. But as for direct Skins money exiting my pockets - not until these guys truly are a functional organization both on and off the field.
Hang 10
Footballguy
He didn't get fired for drinking. He got fired for coming to work #### faced. Allegedly...
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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Sebowski
Footballguy
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/10/bennie-logan-visiting-washington/
Another in division defensive lineman....Bennie Logan from Philly visiting Skins.
They seem to be adding lots of bodies and see if something sticks.
But I hope to gosh this doesn't mean they will not consider d line early in the draft where they could get a true difference maker.
Another in division defensive lineman....Bennie Logan from Philly visiting Skins.
They seem to be adding lots of bodies and see if something sticks.
But I hope to gosh this doesn't mean they will not consider d line early in the draft where they could get a true difference maker.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/10/report-dontari-poe-schedules-visit-with-colts/
Donari Poe visiting Colts...why aren't we at least trying to woo him to DC?
Donari Poe visiting Colts...why aren't we at least trying to woo him to DC?
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fatness
Footballguy
I think Allen's only going to hire a GM who does not have roster control, which means he'll hire someone with a lower office elsewhere or a rookie at front office work.CabinFever said:
However, if think if we're hiring TV personalities as GM we should strongly consider Stephanie Abrams. She could give daily reports on their draft and roster with big boards on the wall behind her, walking back and forth and gesturing. "Rising in the west today we have an upcoming safety from USC....."
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Guest
Guest
If the Redskins are looking at Mayock for GM they should really blow out the carbon and hire Waldman.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
This is a huge deal. Makes it clear that Cousins has been negotiating with Allen all along, and the resistance to paying him from within the organization has come from Allen, not McCloughan.Swing 51 said:
How many teams have a key player they want to sign longterm who refuses to sign because of the top front office guy?
fatness
Footballguy
I like Swearinger but between him, Cravens, and Blackmon we don't have any safety that can pass cover. So if the defensive line isn't massively improved expect to see more opposing WR's get open deep. Hopefully, though, they won't be arguing about who is to cover who while lining up, as they did under Barry.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Can anyone tell me a single reason we should keep Cousins now and not trade him? I mean, he's signed the 1 year tag, but then he can walk next year and we get NOTHING for him right? So this team is no where close to competing for a SB, so why would we want him on the roster this year? Seems to me if we can't sign him long term (and he's clearly not wiling) we should contact the Jets, Browns, and 49ers and let them know he's available, no?
