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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (3 Viewers)

Well I'm ready for some numbers to be made public.
So am I.

It was reported that the Skins starting offer this year was $20 million/yr. I have never seen what Cousins is asking for, and I'm not sure his side has even countered the Skins offer. Seems like if he wants to be here his side would start negotiating. If they don't that pretty much means he wants out of here in a year.

 
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18905012/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-says-reached-owner-dan-snyder-understand-team-direction

Washington Redskins quarterback Kirk Cousins says he never demanded a trade to owner Dan Snyder but rather inquired what the team planned to do after placing the franchise tag on him.

Cousins told ESPN's Adam Schefter on his Know Them From Adam podcast that his only reason in reaching out to Snyder, as well as team president Bruce Allen, was to gauge their intentions.

"I did inquire if there was any interest in trading me to get an understanding of their perspective," Cousins said. "The answer I got back was Mr. Snyder communicated his belief in me and desire for me to remain a Redskin."
"Why not just trade me?"

"No way."

 
Yeah, the McCloughan stuff is a bad look no doubt but if they resign Kirk and win, the disfunction narrative fades into the background. 
It would, yeah, but it'll take awhile if it's going to happen. Between now and the draft and especially around draft time the Skins will be listening for trade offers I'm sure. They'd be fools not to, and other teams are more likely to make a good offer around draft time. After that if there's no trade the Skins and Cousins will have a better chance of reaching a longterm agreement. IF Cousins even wants one. If they reach an agreement things will settle down, with all the new draft picks and free agents and such. If they don't reach a deal this'll be an issue all season to fans and the press.

 
Well I'm ready for some numbers to be made public. If we've given Cousins a sold offer and he turned it down, then no, he doesn't want to be here. And he didn't address the "I won't sign a long term deal with Allen" so did that happen or is that fake news too?!?
That tweet from Chick has been refuted. I'll see if I can find it. 
Here's the deleted tweet.

See if you can find where it was refuted and by whom?

 
Here's J P Finley's article.

So when word leaked out that Cousins wanted to be traded by the Redskins, it came as no shock.

Chris Mortensen


 
Kirk Cousins appealed personally to owner Dan Snyder for a trade but was basically told not to get his hopes up, per sources.
On Tuesday, Cousins appeared on Adam Schefter's podcast and clarified exactly what happened. 

"I did just inquire to Mr. [Dan] Snyder and Mr. [Bruce] Allen if there was any interest in trading me to get an understanding of their perspective,” Cousins told Schefter. "The answer I got back was Mr. Snyder communicated his belief in me and desire for me to remain a Redskin."

Cousins went on to explain that Snyder wanted to give the QB all the resources needed to be successful. After losing DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garçon early in free agency, it seemed the 'Skins were doing the opposite, but the addition of Terrelle Pryor will offset some of the loss to the Washington offense.

Regardless of the language used, demand or inquire, Cousins still went to ownership to see if a trade was possible. That does not reflect well on the relationship. 

Nothing if not respectful and polite, Cousins made clear he wasn't demanding a trade, explaining to Schefter that the situation got "twisted."

"That’s not the approach I took."

A trade certainly remains possible between for Cousins, but the most logical suitor in the 49ers appears to have moved on. Do not be surprised, however, if a new team emerges as a possible Cousins landing spot, if they pay the right price in draft picks. 

 
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To me this seems really simple. The Skins should tell Cousins, we want you long term, he's our best offer, if you don't accept it, we'll trade you to Cleveland or SF, and he can enjoy years of suck. But if I'm the Redskins, I either want him long term or not at all. 24 million for a 1 year rental that has little chance at a title seems like a HUGE waste of money to me. 

 
The most info I've heard so far was mentioned by Keim (if not others).  The 'Skins offered 5 yrs/$100 mil but apparently the guaranteed portions were considered low by Cousins' side.  Cousins' side has apparently said/believes that the franchise tag # (just shy of $24 mil/yr) is the starting point in negotiations.

This is all off the top of my head.

It seems silly that a deal can't get done that is "on paper" $24-25 million/year with good guaranteed money, but doesn't count that much towards the cap.  It seems like something should be able to get worked where the yearly cap hit, for the first few years, at least, is ~ $20mil. or less.

 
Sidewinder16 said:
The most info I've heard so far was mentioned by Keim (if not others).  The 'Skins offered 5 yrs/$100 mil but apparently the guaranteed portions were considered low by Cousins' side.  Cousins' side has apparently said/believes that the franchise tag # (just shy of $24 mil/yr) is the starting point in negotiations.

This is all off the top of my head.

It seems silly that a deal can't get done that is "on paper" $24-25 million/year with good guaranteed money, but doesn't count that much towards the cap.  It seems like something should be able to get worked where the yearly cap hit, for the first few years, at least, is ~ $20mil. or less.
Agree it should easily get done...assuming both sides want it to work. 

 
Sidewinder16 said:
The most info I've heard so far was mentioned by Keim (if not others).  The 'Skins offered 5 yrs/$100 mil but apparently the guaranteed portions were considered low by Cousins' side.  Cousins' side has apparently said/believes that the franchise tag # (just shy of $24 mil/yr) is the starting point in negotiations.

This is all off the top of my head.

It seems silly that a deal can't get done that is "on paper" $24-25 million/year with good guaranteed money, but doesn't count that much towards the cap.  It seems like something should be able to get worked where the yearly cap hit, for the first few years, at least, is ~ $20mil. or less.
Agree it should easily get done...assuming both sides want it to work.
If both sides want it to work, to me the obvious thing to do is settle on a longterm deal for $22 million/yr. and some "halfway between what each side wants" amount of guaranteed money. It's not clear to me which side(s) would end up rejecting that.

We do know the team has offered $20 million/yr. We don't know if Cousins's side has countered, or is just floating the "discussions should start at $24 million/yr." through the media.

 
The Browns, who have dumped $16 million into a quarterback they’ll never actually put on the field, could easily justify paying $23.94 million to Cousins in 2017, and if necessary to give him a 20-percent raise in 2018 ($28.78 million) via the transition tag. They also would have the opportunity to try to persuade Cousins to sign a long-term deal through July 15.

If they’re willing to absorb Cousins’ contract without a long-term deal, the question becomes whether Cleveland would offer enough to get Washington’s attention via trade. The easiest way to do it would be to dangle the supposed Garoppolo package (No. 12 this year and the second-round pick acquired from Houston in the hot potato Osweiler trade).

How could Washington reject that? For Cleveland, it’s easy to justify the offer; they get a proven quarterback instead of a roll-of-the-dice rookie with the twelfth overall pick, and they give up the extra second-round pick they bought from the Texans.

That doesn’t mean a Cousins-to-Cleveland trade will happen, but it’s on the radar screen.
That's from PFT, but it's solid enough that the Browns indirectly commented on it through Mary Kay Cabot.

But that's not expected to happen because of the high compensation it would take to get Cousins, and because of the high salary he would command. The Browns would likely have to give up their No. 12 pick this year and most likely at least a first-rounder next year.

In addition, they'd probably have to make any deal contingent upon a multi-year extension, because they wouldn't want to give up all those draft assets to rent Cousins for one year at $23.94 million, the franchise tender he signed on Friday.

But three other teams have tried to trade for Cousins in the last 10 days or so and were quickly shot down, a source said.
This is the only time of the year I get interested in soap opera drama.

Assuming that the source for the first half of the report is the same source for the second half of the report, how would someone from the Browns know that three other teams have tried to trade for Cousins and were “immediately shot down” if the Browns weren’t either talking to Washington about it — or monitoring the situation sufficiently closely to know how many other teams have tried to get him?

It’s also not clear why the other three teams were “immediately turned down.” It’s one thing to slam the door before an offer is made. It’s quite another to “immediately turn down” a specific offer that was regarded as insufficient. Without knowing whether Washington will not trade him under any circumstance or whether they merely rejected a trio of lowball offers, it’s impossible to know whether Washington would entertain a reasonable trade proposal.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/14/report-brown-arent-expected-to-try-to-get-kirk-cousins/

 
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We do know the team has offered $20 million/yr. We don't know if Cousins's side has countered, or is just floating the "discussions should start at $24 million/yr." through the media.
We know the two sides have met to start negotiating, and the following quote from Kirk, in the Schefter interview, strongly suggests to me that both sides have communicated their "initial offers". 

“And this entire process for me, from a contractual standpoint, has been framed by the franchise tag rules. It hasn’t really been framed by my market value. I would be content to go to the market and see what that value is and settle for whatever that is. But because of the franchise tag rules, and the team’s use of the tag, that just hasn’t taken place.

“So as a result, my agent has had this whole negotiation from the perspective of the franchise tag rules. And until that system of the tag is removed from the equation, or removed from the collective bargaining agreement altogether, that’s gonna frame the entirety of my agent’s approach."
 
We know the two sides have met to start negotiating, and the following quote from Kirk, in the Schefter interview, strongly suggests to me that both sides have communicated their "initial offers". 
That can be interpreted a few different ways if you're looking to see where the negotiation stands. It clearly says one thing though: Kirk is looking out for Kirk. He's trying to make Haynesworth money. Biggest contract ever type stuff.

 
What was Cousins's initial offer?
I dont think they said what it was. 

Im not mad at kirk trying to get the most he can.  I think he will stay and his agent is just making sure he can maximize his salary.  No different then me negotiating a job offer. 

 
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Fired GM Scot McCloughan wasn’t that essential anyhow, according to Redskins TV show

Does anyone really watch "Redskins Nation"? I stopped watching years ago when Larry Michael was hyping up some breaking news and it ended up being that the practice field was getting new grass. It's basically propaganda put out by the team.
Spin aside, the thing that leaped out to me in the transcript was that Michael flatly denied that Mike Mayock was being considered for the GM job but he did speak glowingly of the idea that Doug WIlliams could be moved into that role.  Not sure how much Michael "knows" but thought it was interesting that he explicitly would shoot down the Mayock item...

 
Fired GM Scot McCloughan wasn’t that essential anyhow, according to Redskins TV show

Does anyone really watch "Redskins Nation"? I stopped watching years ago when Larry Michael was hyping up some breaking news and it ended up being that the practice field was getting new grass. It's basically propaganda put out by the team.
I tried watching it the other night and had to turn it off. Michael was just so obnoxious, nothing more than a PR guy. I felt like I was watching the Iraqi Information Minister and the ShamWow guy combined. He says whatever he's told to say and tries to make it exciting. If they sent him out to say roadkill tasted great he'd be there with 3 different dipping sauces talking with his mouth full of possum.

 
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That's the funny thing. If the team manages to lock Kirk up long term, this team will actually be in better shape than last year. I'm gonna feel bad for all the folks that retired their fandom! alsonotreally 
Bet you felt that way in 2000, and 2001, and 2002, and 2003, ....., and 2016.   They won't be in better shape.   They lose Jackson and Garcon, two  stud players other teams were all over once FA hit.  They replaced them with a converted QB with 1 good season and an unproven, apparently wimpy draft pick from a year ago?  They sign a couple of mediocre DL and the run D is fixed?

Fact: all they are doing is playing with cap space (look at the guaranteed money) and finding fill gap players because they don't know if Cousins will sign long term.  If he does, they try to build for 2-4 years from now.  If he doesn't, they have tons of cap space to start over yet again.

Here's what WalterFootball thought about the FA signings.  So they got a good S and a decent WR, although the WR is likely to move on in a year.  The rest is crap.  Adding a long term deal for Cousins while smart certainly doesn't fix the D, and nobody is sure he can operate without 2 of his 3 major weapons.

You should fully expect 4-9 wins.  Same as the last 17 years.

Redskins sign DE/DT Stacy McGee (5 years, $25 million): MILLEN TRADES STINKY KIELBASAS FOR CAP RELIEF Grade When Daniel Snyder took over the Redskins, he spent all of his energy signing has-beens to big contracts in free agency. Now, the Redskins have moved on to signing never-have-beens to big contracts in free agency. It's nice to see them evolve!   The Redskins entered free agency needing two defensive ends. They signed Terrell McClain and Stacy McGee, and they still need two defensive ends. McGee played well at times last year, but was seldom on the field because of injuries. McGee was just a rotational player for the Raiders, but now he'll be asked to start.   I thought about giving the Redskins an unprecedented third Millen grade in 48 hours, but I think I'll be nice and mark this down as a "D." It's a SEVERE overpay - yes, caps were needed - but McGee at least has potential, I guess. Eh. Wait, you know what? This is a Millen. No one in their right mind was going to give McGee anything close. 

Redskins sign DT Terrell McClain (4 years, $21 million): WALT IS RUNNING OUT OF MILLEN KIELBASA JOKES Grade I don't know anymore. I think we've had the worst group of free agent signings ever over the past 24 hours, and I can only come up with so many Millen kielbasa jokes. I never imagined I would need seven Millen grades in a 24-hour cycle. I'm only human!   This is the sort of signing made by a team that, well, is in complete disarray. Terrell McClain has never played well in his career. He's a mediocre run-stuffer and a non-factor as a pass-rusher (4.5 career sacks). He's also a poor fit for Washington's 3-4 defense. McClain is a 4-3 one-technique, so I don't know how the Redskins plan on using him. Considering the state of their front office, I even doubt they know. In fact, this may have just been a move to distract everyone from the Kirk Cousins and Scot McCloughan dramas.   This is an easy Millen grade. I had McClain 20th in my 2017 NFL Free Agent Defensive Tackle Rankings, right beneath some guy named Denico Autry, who was tendered by the Raiders. And yet the Redskins paid McClain more than $5 million per year. What the hell are they doing? 

Redskins re-sign TE Vernon Davis (3 years, $15 million): MILLEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT HOME Grade What the hell are the Redskins doing? They apparently sent general manager Scot McCloughan home, and ever since doing so, they have seemingly fallen apart. They keep screwing up the Kirk Cousins situation and now appear set on trading him to the 49ers, and now they're giving a bum $5 million per year. Perhaps the mid-aughts Lions should've employed the same strategy and sent Matt Millen home, where I'm sure he would've pleasured himself with some kielbasas.   This is an awful signing. There's no other way of saying it. Davis is a lethargic player with an extensive history of quitting on his teams. He did this on multiple occasions in San Francisco, ultimately getting cut. The Broncos picked him up, but he didn't even see the field during the team's Super Bowl run because of countless dropped passes. It seemed like he was given one final chance in Washington, where he signed a 1-year "prove it" deal. Davis actually had a strong 2016 campaign - 44 catches, 583 yards - but he did so only because he was nearly out of the league. Now that he's gotten a nice pay day, he'll go back to slacking off. And even if he does try, he's now 33 and currently in decline.

Redskins sign S D.J. Swearinger (3 years, $13.5 million): B+ Grade   The Redskins have gotten three Millen grades in a span of 24 hours, thanks to their general manager being absent, so it's odd to see them make a quality signing.  This is actually a pretty good move. D.J. Swearinger played well for the Cardinals last year, especially in coverage. He's just 26 years old, so there's no reason to think he'll suddenly regress. He also fills a big need for the Redskins, who had issues at safety.  I'm grading this as a B+.

Redskins sign WR Terrelle Pryor (1 year, $8 million): A+ Grade   The Redskins really needed this. With all of the drama circulating around Scot McCloughan, Bruce Allen and Kirk Cousins, the Redskins seemed like they were on the verge of collapse. This signing will at least help calm everyone in Washington down, at least temporarily.  This is one of the best signings of free agency thus far. Pryor was terrific last year despite playing with awful quarterbacks, and he was 20th in the Top 100 NFL Free Agent Rankings page. He should've gotten a big contract, so I don't know why he's settling for a 1-year "prove it" deal for $8 million. Considering that receivers who are far worse - Robert Woods, Kenny Britt, Kenny Stills, to name a few - all received deals much greater than this, the Redskins are getting an incredible value. This is a no-hesitation A+. Great job, Redskins. 

 
Bet you felt that way in 2000, and 2001, and 2002, and 2003, ....., and 2016.   They won't be in better shape.   They lose Jackson and Garcon, two  stud players other teams were all over once FA hit.  They replaced them with a converted QB with 1 good season and an unproven, apparently wimpy draft pick from a year ago?  They sign a couple of mediocre DL and the run D is fixed?

Fact: all they are doing is playing with cap space (look at the guaranteed money) and finding fill gap players because they don't know if Cousins will sign long term.  If he does, they try to build for 2-4 years from now.  If he doesn't, they have tons of cap space to start over yet again.

Here's what WalterFootball thought about the FA signings.  So they got a good S and a decent WR, although the WR is likely to move on in a year.  The rest is crap.  Adding a long term deal for Cousins while smart certainly doesn't fix the D, and nobody is sure he can operate without 2 of his 3 major weapons.

You should fully expect 4-9 wins.  Same as the last 17 years.

Redskins sign DE/DT Stacy McGee (5 years, $25 million): MILLEN TRADES STINKY KIELBASAS FOR CAP RELIEF Grade When Daniel Snyder took over the Redskins, he spent all of his energy signing has-beens to big contracts in free agency. Now, the Redskins have moved on to signing never-have-beens to big contracts in free agency. It's nice to see them evolve!   The Redskins entered free agency needing two defensive ends. They signed Terrell McClain and Stacy McGee, and they still need two defensive ends. McGee played well at times last year, but was seldom on the field because of injuries. McGee was just a rotational player for the Raiders, but now he'll be asked to start.   I thought about giving the Redskins an unprecedented third Millen grade in 48 hours, but I think I'll be nice and mark this down as a "D." It's a SEVERE overpay - yes, caps were needed - but McGee at least has potential, I guess. Eh. Wait, you know what? This is a Millen. No one in their right mind was going to give McGee anything close. 

Redskins sign DT Terrell McClain (4 years, $21 million): WALT IS RUNNING OUT OF MILLEN KIELBASA JOKES Grade I don't know anymore. I think we've had the worst group of free agent signings ever over the past 24 hours, and I can only come up with so many Millen kielbasa jokes. I never imagined I would need seven Millen grades in a 24-hour cycle. I'm only human!   This is the sort of signing made by a team that, well, is in complete disarray. Terrell McClain has never played well in his career. He's a mediocre run-stuffer and a non-factor as a pass-rusher (4.5 career sacks). He's also a poor fit for Washington's 3-4 defense. McClain is a 4-3 one-technique, so I don't know how the Redskins plan on using him. Considering the state of their front office, I even doubt they know. In fact, this may have just been a move to distract everyone from the Kirk Cousins and Scot McCloughan dramas.   This is an easy Millen grade. I had McClain 20th in my 2017 NFL Free Agent Defensive Tackle Rankings, right beneath some guy named Denico Autry, who was tendered by the Raiders. And yet the Redskins paid McClain more than $5 million per year. What the hell are they doing? 

Redskins re-sign TE Vernon Davis (3 years, $15 million): MILLEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT HOME Grade What the hell are the Redskins doing? They apparently sent general manager Scot McCloughan home, and ever since doing so, they have seemingly fallen apart. They keep screwing up the Kirk Cousins situation and now appear set on trading him to the 49ers, and now they're giving a bum $5 million per year. Perhaps the mid-aughts Lions should've employed the same strategy and sent Matt Millen home, where I'm sure he would've pleasured himself with some kielbasas.   This is an awful signing. There's no other way of saying it. Davis is a lethargic player with an extensive history of quitting on his teams. He did this on multiple occasions in San Francisco, ultimately getting cut. The Broncos picked him up, but he didn't even see the field during the team's Super Bowl run because of countless dropped passes. It seemed like he was given one final chance in Washington, where he signed a 1-year "prove it" deal. Davis actually had a strong 2016 campaign - 44 catches, 583 yards - but he did so only because he was nearly out of the league. Now that he's gotten a nice pay day, he'll go back to slacking off. And even if he does try, he's now 33 and currently in decline.

Redskins sign S D.J. Swearinger (3 years, $13.5 million): B+ Grade   The Redskins have gotten three Millen grades in a span of 24 hours, thanks to their general manager being absent, so it's odd to see them make a quality signing.  This is actually a pretty good move. D.J. Swearinger played well for the Cardinals last year, especially in coverage. He's just 26 years old, so there's no reason to think he'll suddenly regress. He also fills a big need for the Redskins, who had issues at safety.  I'm grading this as a B+.

Redskins sign WR Terrelle Pryor (1 year, $8 million): A+ Grade   The Redskins really needed this. With all of the drama circulating around Scot McCloughan, Bruce Allen and Kirk Cousins, the Redskins seemed like they were on the verge of collapse. This signing will at least help calm everyone in Washington down, at least temporarily.  This is one of the best signings of free agency thus far. Pryor was terrific last year despite playing with awful quarterbacks, and he was 20th in the Top 100 NFL Free Agent Rankings page. He should've gotten a big contract, so I don't know why he's settling for a 1-year "prove it" deal for $8 million. Considering that receivers who are far worse - Robert Woods, Kenny Britt, Kenny Stills, to name a few - all received deals much greater than this, the Redskins are getting an incredible value. This is a no-hesitation A+. Great job, Redskins. 
Earlier I heard that the Redskins were following Scot M's blueprint, with identified Free Agents to go after and draft picks.  The story is posted in this thread, I will not re-post.  So are we now saying that Scot was "targeting crap?"  Or does Walter Football have a better track record of player evaluation than Scot M?

On the other hand, was the story that Skins were still following Scot's blueprint false and these are all Bruce's moves?  And if that previous story was false, how did it come to be accepted as "fact?"

Personally, I don't know how good these signings will work out to be.  But I'm noticing that we're buying contradictory stories to piece together a narrative. 

I'm also not ready to stop rooting for the team on the news that Walter Football doesn't approve of all of these draft picks. 

Maybe it will turn out to be crap, who knows, but I am willing to let the season play out before deciding that.

 
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I tried watching it the other night and had to turn it off. Michael was just so obnoxious, nothing more than a PR guy. I felt like I was watching the Iraqi Information Minister and the ShamWow guy combined. He says whatever he's told to say and tries to make it exciting. If they sent him out to say roadkill tasted great he'd be there with 3 different dipping sauces talking with his mouth full of possum.
On top of that, he's not very good at his primary job, radio play-by-play. Shocking that they can't find someone better to do the radio broadcast.

 
Earlier I heard that the Redskins were following Scot M's blueprint, with identified Free Agents to go after and draft picks.  The story is posted in this thread, I will not re-post.  So are we now saying that Scot was "targeting crap?"  Or does Walter Football have a better track record of player evaluation than Scot M?

On the other hand, was the story that Skins were still following Scot's blueprint false and these are all Bruce's moves?  And if that previous story was false, how did it come to be accepted as "fact?"

Personally, I don't know how good these signings will work out to be.  But I'm noticing that we're buying contradictory stories to piece together a narrative. 

I'm also not ready to stop rooting for the team on the news that Walter Football doesn't approve of all of these draft picks. 

Maybe it will turn out to be crap, who knows, but I am willing to let the season play out before deciding that.
This was shared on Monday...quoted but couldn't get the link to work.  Basically, McGee and McClain were high on Scot's list.  So if you believe Walter Football, it's a bit of an inditement of Scot UNLESS he thought he could get them far cheaper, who knows...

Interesting.

While McCloughan hasn’t been involved in any Redskins decision over the past two weeks, the team has followed his board early in free agency—safety DJ Swearinger and defensive tackles Terrell McClain and Stacy McGee were high on his list as he emphasized rebuilding the defense up the middle. Washington landed all three of those guys. And the draft board, while subject to change, also was set before he left.

Was there one thing that might have been done differently had all of this not happened? My sense is the Redskins may have made a stronger effort to keep Pierre Garçon, although even that is questionable based on how the Niners valued him.

What McCloughan’s rivals will tell you is that he leaves behind a roster that’s much more competitive at the bottom, stronger in the middle class, and sturdier overall than perhaps any during Snyder’s ownership of the team.

But all the optimism and goodwill, and the public trust that was restored over the past two years—the first consecutive winning seasons since Snyder bought the team—has vanished overnight. Now, the future of the franchise looks as murky as it did in that chaotic final season of Zorn.
 
On top of that, he's not very good at his primary job, radio play-by-play. Shocking that they can't find someone better to do the radio broadcast.
Basically, Larry Michael's is just kind of a schlocky guy.  I used to listen to the radio broadcasts with the TV on, when it was Sonny, Sam and Frank.  When they kicked Frank out for Larry, I stopped listening.  I agree he is just awful.

 
But I'm noticing that we're buying contradictory stories to piece together a narrative.
On this note, I found the following quote (from Mike Jones' "mailbag" feature yesterday) interesting because it fits my narrative that the front office is full of people whose greatest talent is making Snyder happy so they don't get fired (or, in other words, generally inept at actually doing their jobs).  It pertains to the initial report that Cousins "demanded" to be traded.

So, we’ll never know exactly what happened there, but multiple league insiders say that more than likely, that was spin out of the Redskins camp, throwing out that trade request on the morning of free agency (a week after the conversation took place), just to see if doing so would prompt any trade discussions.

 
Earlier I heard that the Redskins were following Scot M's blueprint, with identified Free Agents to go after and draft picks.  The story is posted in this thread, I will not re-post.  So are we now saying that Scot was "targeting crap?"  Or does Walter Football have a better track record of player evaluation than Scot M?

On the other hand, was the story that Skins were still following Scot's blueprint false and these are all Bruce's moves?  And if that previous story was false, how did it come to be accepted as "fact?"

Personally, I don't know how good these signings will work out to be.  But I'm noticing that we're buying contradictory stories to piece together a narrative. 

I'm also not ready to stop rooting for the team on the news that Walter Football doesn't approve of all of these draft picks. 

Maybe it will turn out to be crap, who knows, but I am willing to let the season play out before deciding that.
Other than the McCloughan mess, this off season seems to be going the same way as last several. Looks as if the strategy is find younger players on an upswing in their careers and avoid 30 somethings looking to cash in. Vinny's Redskins tried the later strategy, didn't they? How'd that work out? 

It would have been nice to keep Jackson and Garcon but what would the good teams in this league do? Do you think the patriots would have paid either of them? The steelers? 

Did people not see the writing on the wall when the team took a WR in the first round last year? It was always the plan to let them walk. Scot's plan. 

 
We know the two sides have met to start negotiating, and the following quote from Kirk, in the Schefter interview, strongly suggests to me that both sides have communicated their "initial offers".
What was Cousins's initial offer?
I believe we know that the Redskin's initial offer was $20 mil/yr and Cousin's initial offer was (roughly) $24 mil/yr.  I don't believe any of that is useful information, though.  Especially if we're trying to determine things like how far apart the two sides are in negotiations.  Until we know specific information about what either side has proposed regarding the entire structure of the contract (base salaries, guaranteed monies, etc.) we don't really know anything.

 
Spotrac has a new feature (at least, it's the first I've seen it, but I admittedly haven't been on the site in awhile) where they determine a player's "Calculated Market Value".  Here is the summary of the calculation for Cousins.

Market Value


  • 4 yrs, $95,129,510
  • Avg. Salary: $23,782,378
  • NFL Rank: #5
  • QB Rank: #5
It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I thought it was interesting that an independent assessment of Kirk's market value came extremely close to his actual franchise tag salary.

 
Sidewinder16 said:
On this note, I found the following quote (from Mike Jones' "mailbag" feature yesterday) interesting because it fits my narrative that the front office is full of people whose greatest talent is making Snyder happy so they don't get fired (or, in other words, generally inept at actually doing their jobs).  It pertains to the initial report that Cousins "demanded" to be traded.
For the record, I also agree that Snyder is a meglomaniac and a micromanager and that Bruce Allen is a liar and an empty suit.  So the irony of this is, I actually probably agree with many of the commentators criticizing the Redskins.  But I just tend to wait until I see something real to slam them.  Here is an example:

Bruce Allen said at the combine that Scot would be back to work "any day."  Then a few days later he fired him.  From this information, I inferred that Allen was a liar.  Now, it's still not "proof" because it could have been that he meant what he said then was ordered to fire him.  But, I tend to believe that there was enough smoke there to call him a liar.

This is entirely different than cherry picking one story and ignoring another in order to create a narrative.  Saying on the one hand that a.) the FO is so clueless they are following Scot's board and then implying b.) the FAs they signed are crap, because they weren't Scot's FOs is contradictory.

We probably agree that Snyder and Allen are incompetent. I'm just not into the "feeding frenzy" that makes no division between fact, speculation, logical and illogical reasoning.

And, I am NOT saying you are being illogical.  I realize everyone on this board interprets the facts their own ways and comes to their own conclusions.  I am only sharing MY point of view is all...no judgement on any one else on this board.

I do judge the media though, who should know better...

 
Will Bruce Allen be the next to go?

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/03/10/vinny-cerrato-dan-snyder-doesnt-answer-to-bruce-allen/

Cerrato far from a reliable source, but he does know Dan, and how self-serving he can be.  In the middle of all our Allen-hate, I can't help but think that Snyder could reign all this in if he wanted to.  He's the boss.  It serves him.  And Allen, as a self-serving creature, would follow Snyder's lead.

We tend to think Snyder has "gotten better" because we don't hear about him as much.  But he's still the boss.

 
MikeApf said:
Basically, Larry Michael's is just kind of a schlocky guy.  I used to listen to the radio broadcasts with the TV on, when it was Sonny, Sam and Frank.  When they kicked Frank out for Larry, I stopped listening.  I agree he is just awful.
I used to listen to the radio while watching some, too. When they fired Herzog and hired Michael, I wondered if my dislike for the broadcast was just because it was a change and no longer linked to what I had listened to for many years. I have fond memories as a kid being in the car listening to Frank call games. But, I quickly concluded that the problem wasn't me disliking the change, it was that Larry is horrible at that job.

 
I used to listen to the radio while watching some, too. When they fired Herzog and hired Michael, I wondered if my dislike for the broadcast was just because it was a change and no longer linked to what I had listened to for many years. I have fond memories as a kid being in the car listening to Frank call games. But, I quickly concluded that the problem wasn't me disliking the change, it was that Larry is horrible at that job.
Yes, and Sonny, Sam and Frank just had that magic "chemistry."  Larry is so robotic and practiced (like a poor man's Bob Costas) that I can't see him having special chemistry with anyone.

I'm convinced Sonny and Sam were drunk during the second half of many broadcasts, but somehow they pulled it off.  Like Michaels, they could be homers -- they would openly root for the team, but they would also slam them just as hard if they thought it was warranted.

 
Sidewinder16 said:
Spotrac has a new feature (at least, it's the first I've seen it, but I admittedly haven't been on the site in awhile) where they determine a player's "Calculated Market Value".  Here is the summary of the calculation for Cousins.

It doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I thought it was interesting that an independent assessment of Kirk's market value came extremely close to his actual franchise tag salary.
That's interesting, it's probably not far off from what they are seeking.  I guess a lot can hinge on "guaranteed money."  For instance, Pryor is making $8million but only a portion of that is guaranteed.  A full 2 million is incentive based.  I sense that guaranteed money can often be the sticking point. I don't blame players for wanting it.  If Cousins were to have sustained a career ending injury last year, none of these teams fawning on him -- Redskins included -- would have spend any amount of money to save him...

 
Redskins re-sign TE Vernon Davis (3 years, $15 million): MILLEN SHOULD HAVE BEEN SENT HOME Grade What the hell are the Redskins doing? They apparently sent general manager Scot McCloughan home, and ever since doing so, they have seemingly fallen apart. They keep screwing up the Kirk Cousins situation and now appear set on trading him to the 49ers, and now they're giving a bum $5 million per year. Perhaps the mid-aughts Lions should've employed the same strategy and sent Matt Millen home, where I'm sure he would've pleasured himself with some kielbasas.   This is an awful signing. There's no other way of saying it. Davis is a lethargic player with an extensive history of quitting on his teams. He did this on multiple occasions in San Francisco, ultimately getting cut. The Broncos picked him up, but he didn't even see the field during the team's Super Bowl run because of countless dropped passes. It seemed like he was given one final chance in Washington, where he signed a 1-year "prove it" deal. Davis actually had a strong 2016 campaign - 44 catches, 583 yards - but he did so only because he was nearly out of the league. Now that he's gotten a nice pay day, he'll go back to slacking off. And even if he does try, he's now 33 and currently in decline.
This guy clearly did not watch Redskin games last year. The bad analysis of Davis coupled with his (in my opinion) overrating the Swearinger signing (he has trouble covering receivers deep and should be a B- or C+) makes me feel free to disregard him.

 
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On top of that, he's not very good at his primary job, radio play-by-play. Shocking that they can't find someone better to do the radio broadcast.
They can find better play-by-play people, but none of them will eat the possum like Larry will.

 
MikeApf said:
Basically, Larry Michael's is just kind of a schlocky guy.  I used to listen to the radio broadcasts with the TV on, when it was Sonny, Sam and Frank.  When they kicked Frank out for Larry, I stopped listening.  I agree he is just awful.
Same here. Herzog was really good, fun to listen to, and a great mix with Sonny and Sam. I listen once in awhile now when I can't get the game on TV but it's bad. Sam is gone, Sonny has declined so much, Cooley's bad, and Michael is insufferable. The only good part is if Doc Walker goes off on a rant.

 
Food for thought. Czabe has been advocating making Kirk the highest paid player in the league lately and some folks have brought up Flacco's awful contract. So I did some digging and the Ravens were 54-26 under Flacco before he got paid and they've been 31-33 since. A lot of Raven fans cite that contract as one of the reasons for the team drop off. Honestly, I'd rather have 2 firsts over signing Kirk to 24-25 mil per. 

 
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Honestly, I'd rather have 2 firsts over signing Kirk to 24-25 mil per.
I would too.

I just doubt anyone will pay that unless they get desperate (which, if it happens, is most likely to happen around draft time). Cleveland has the draft picks and the cap room for Cousins but hasn't really gone after him. Supposedly the Redskins have turned away 3 teams asking about Cousins, but they were likely approaches from teams that didn't offer much because they felt the Skins were desperate.

 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/15/criticism-from-ricky-jean-francois-may-have-contributed-to-his-release/

well this sucks...Ricky Jean Francois released after criticizing team.  Don't know if that was why he got released.  But I thought he was at least a serviceable contributor.
I liked the guy. I don't think he was good enough to be a fulltime DE, but he was a decent backup and quite intelligent. He went on Cooley's show one time at his (RJF's) request to take issue with Cooley about something and handled himself well. I guess this may have done him in:

“It seems like we’re getting back to the norm, we’re getting back to the dysfunctional, we’re getting back to the drama,” Jean-Francois said last Thursday, before the team fired G.N. Scout McCloughan. “It just feels like at no given time we’ve never had that period where we were just comfortable with everything and everything was just running smooth. . . . Everything is changed and it’s like, why? We let go of DeSean Jackson, one of the most explosive receivers in the NFL. We let go of Pierre Gar?on — only had one drop last year. You let Chris Baker go, Chris Baker was one great pass rusher for us. . . .

“At the end of the day, it’s business. But it’s not the business that you want to see each and every other day at work when everything is going hectic and you just don’t know what’s going on, who’s making calls. Who’s what. It’s like as soon as you open the front of the newspaper you just see drama. And it feels like just at no given point we haven’t had that grace period that’s just, ‘All right, let’s not have drama. Let’s everything be happy, joyful. Let’s say we’re gonna may a run for the playoffs, Super Bowl, whatever. But it’s seems like that’s not the case, or it’s not the case at this moment.”

Jean-Francois also complained about the failure of the team to give quarterback Kirk Cousins a long-term deal, pointing to his success over the last two years and the team’s failure to reward him. Likewise, Jean-Francois expressed support for McCloughan.

 
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Sorry guys, but I'm told RJF cut doesn't have anything to do w freeing up money for Hankins or Poe.
Mike Jones‏Verified account @MikeJonesWaPo 3h3 hours ago

@Lizzs_Lockeroom hey Fave, it's about $4M cap savings, young guys they have and draft plans.
They could really use Hankins or Poe BTW.

 
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Also Wednesday, the Redskins re-signed unrestricted free agent defensive lineman Ziggy Hood and exclusive rights free agent Vinston Painter, an offensive tackle.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/03/15/redskins-release-de-rick-jean-francois-re-up-ziggy-hood-vinston-painter/

I think Hood is lousy, and the only reason you'd hear his name during games was it's a cool sounding name.

The 6-3, 305 Hood appeared in all 16 Redskins games last season, starting 14. A former first-round pick by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2009, Hood, 30, recorded 23 tackles (17 solo), one sack and once forced fumble last season while leading the Redskins defensive linemen with three passes defensed.

 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/15/criticism-from-ricky-jean-francois-may-have-contributed-to-his-release/

well this sucks...Ricky Jean Francois released after criticizing team.  Don't know if that was why he got released.  But I thought he was at least a serviceable contributor.
Not to say that his comments, and/or his connections to McCloughan, didn't have a factor in his release, but his contract has had him as a potential cut casualty for awhile now (along with DHall and Lauvao).  Keim mentioned it last weekend.

They allowed Chris Baker to walk and they could make other moves -- they could end up cutting Ricky Jean Francois and creating approximately $4 million in cap space.

 

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