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fatness
Footballguy
Skins talking contract with Brandon Scherff. If I had to guess I'd say he'll want more than they'll pay (due to his injuries) and they'll tag him this year and try to work out a deal later. It would be awful nice to sign him to a longterm deal but he's not a guy to break the bank for. And he needs to cut down on the penalties.
https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1233080820463788033
My nominee for stupidest post in that twitter thread:
https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1233080820463788033
My nominee for stupidest post in that twitter thread:
fatness
Footballguy
Good article on Redskins and Trent Williams. Whether they keep him or not is going to come down to money. His salary this season is entirely non-guaranteed.
https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/39644/redskins-hope-to-keep-trent-williams-but-a-big-hurdle-remains
https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/39644/redskins-hope-to-keep-trent-williams-but-a-big-hurdle-remains
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I'm curious how everyone thinks Del Rio will use the DL assuming they select Chase Young?
It's a stellar group talent-wise. Payne, Allen, Ioannidis, Sweat, Young, and Settle. They say Kerrigan is coming back. So that's 7 players that only fill 4 slots (maybe 5 if Kerrigan drops 20 and plays LB? )
Del Rio likes to play aggressive. But even he isn't subbing someone every single play. Ioannidis gonna sit the bench?
interesting that his twitter has a video of Isiah Simmons, LB. They could easily get him at #5 and fill a huge hole.
It's a stellar group talent-wise. Payne, Allen, Ioannidis, Sweat, Young, and Settle. They say Kerrigan is coming back. So that's 7 players that only fill 4 slots (maybe 5 if Kerrigan drops 20 and plays LB? )
Del Rio likes to play aggressive. But even he isn't subbing someone every single play. Ioannidis gonna sit the bench?
interesting that his twitter has a video of Isiah Simmons, LB. They could easily get him at #5 and fill a huge hole.
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fatness
Footballguy
I think they have to know what personnel they have before figuring out how they'll use them.Brunell4MVP said:
I really can't see Kerrigan at LB at all, no matter what weight he's at. He can't cover and it would be badly misusing him. Kerrigan's a 4-3 DE, as are Sweat, Allen, and Young. Payne, Ioannidis and Settle are DT's.
I know Young's supposedly a generational talent and I have no reason to disagree with that. But from now until draft day rookie QB's will rocketing up in value like they do every year, and somebody's going to make the Redskins a hell of an offer for 1.02. If the Dolphins offered all 3 of their 1st rounders I'd have a hard time being against taking that deal. They could do so much for the roster with those 3 picks.
fatness
Footballguy
Negotiating with Williams has supposedly been put on the back burner for now by the team. They have to deal with it, but not before free agency.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/27/report-trent-williams-wants-new-deal-or-trade/
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
It's no more than a twitter comment by an NFL "insider". Ignore.
I guess that's sort of my hidden point. They already have a stellar DL in the right hands. I think a trade is almost inevitable. Both Tua and Young seem to be worth other teams moving up to get. And for the Skins there are players all the way through round 2 that could do a lot for this team.
fatness
Footballguy
In a sensible world there would be few teams that want to trade up with them and give what it takes to get pick 1.02. But the closer to the draft we get each year, the more sense goes out the window in favor of the rocketing "values" of some QB's in the draft. Plenty of teams in this league are desperate for a QB because they know their current QB's limit their potential progress. And their need overtakes objective judgement as they value rookie QB's higher and higher close to draft time. I don't think a trade is inevitable, but I do think the chances of it happening are better than 50-50.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Please tell me the Skins won't trade Trent for anything less than a 2nd and a 3rd (or something close to that) He is still one of the best left tackles in all of football and I hope they don't just give him away. Although nothing I've heard/seen from Rivera so far makes me think he'd do something like that. But it sucks to think we could have had a 1st from the Browns last year but Allen was too stupid to make the deal. Ughh
ffmail4me
Footballguy
What is this crap about the Skins making a play on Rivers?!? Please tell me this is total BS. WHY?!? He's old, and he'd ruin the development (and confidence) of Haskins. Dumb dumb dumb idea and I hope this is just a smoke screen so teams in the draft will think we really are looking at a new QB and feel they have to pony up to the 2nd pick to get Tua
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
And anyone seen this?!? "Doug Gottleib Claims Dwayne Haskins Was So Bad at Reading Playbook Redskins Coaches Thought He Was Dyslexic"
Doug is a complete tool...but I wonder if there is any truth to this. If so, then maybe its not a smoke screen about the Redskins taking a QB....was there ever talk about him having difficulties with the playbook or in the classroom at OSU?
Doug is a complete tool...but I wonder if there is any truth to this. If so, then maybe its not a smoke screen about the Redskins taking a QB....was there ever talk about him having difficulties with the playbook or in the classroom at OSU?
ffmail4me
Footballguy
No, if they chose to draft what they believe is an elite QB in Tua I'm not questioning that. But this team is rebuilding. WHY would you want an old declining QB in Rivers??? That doesn't make sense AT ALL. It doesn't fit anything else we are doing right now. And especially since he'd demand a big contract, why would we want to even consider? If you are going to throw around money PAY Trent Williams.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I hope that is exactly what is going on. Its the only thing that would make sense.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Gottleib (and Cowherd I believe) started that stuff up again recently. Guess they've been talking to Jay Gruden and some other fired staff who don't want to blame themselves for sucking. Gottleib especially likes to stir the pot, and calling a black QB dumb is a trick that apprently still works.
fatness
Footballguy
As far as I can tell it's 1 rumor, being repeated by others. Here's the original report: https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2020-nfl-scouting-combine-latest-news-rumors/
I have no idea who Tony Pauline is or how reliable he is, but he heard it from "sources at the combine", not Redskin sources.
fatness
Footballguy
Yeah, I agree.
I also just saw this report, which might be the first-ever example of the Redskins doing good PR work by floating fake stories: Here’s why Dolphins should keep an eye on Tua-to-Redskins talk ahead of NFL draft
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Greetings, invited you over to the Phins thread, I went deep on what we have and don't have, got into real players likely available at ALL of Miami's picks, feel strongly trading UP is a mistake since this is a deep draft and Miami has a lot of picks and a lot of holes.
That said, I can see Washington doing it differently with Rivera there. Why not trade back and make someone pay up for Tua and slide back 2-3 spots, maybe you miss on Chase which I feel is a total HR and the best of any of the potential Top5 picks, that's my opinion and means mostly nothing. But Washington fleecing Miami, adding a 1st and perhaps even a 2nd or delayed 2021 2nd and still getting perhaps a Okudah or Simmons or sliding back more and stock piling picks so Rivera can overhaul and bring in guys best suited for his system. Rivera has a system that is proven, he's not experimenting, he knows what he needs on defense for sure in order to succeed. Rivera vs Cinci? I'll take Rivera...vs Det and Patricia? I trust Rivera. How about vs 1st time HC, JJ in NY? I'll take Rivera and what I'm saying is the guy has been to the rodeo a few times and knows his way around on Draft Day. I think the Skins can exploit Miami and I hope my team doesn't fall for it.
Lot happening with the Athletic...however, the guy for Miami that writes for them is Chris Perkins and I find him pretty vanilla and no outside the box think pattern at all. He shows up, writes articles, doesn't offend and points out the obvious always. But I've seen titles of things I wanted to click on and they want money.
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fatness
Footballguy
I may check them out closr to the draft or the season. Too many good writers can't be read for free online any more --- they're at pay sites or they report on podcasts now and I prefer written information.
The ideal spot for the Redskins in the draft is 1.03 (so they get Young and add draft picks) but there's no way to get there. I think they're either stuck at 1.02 or at 1.05 if they trade with Miami. If the Skins have Young, Simmons, and Okudah ranked about the same it makes sense to trade with the Dolphins if the offer's good enough. Skins need help at multiple positions and having 2 or 3 picks in the 1st round could be an immense help.
BTW the Skins plan on franchising Brandon Scherff.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
For the sake of Redskin fans I certainly hope the TE part isn't true, or at least doesn't come to fruition. With Hunter Henry getting tagged that leaves Austin Hooper(who some expect to sign a pretty giant contract because he's young and trending up) and Ebron and...... ???? The next best guy is probably Tyler Eifert. How Redskin would it be to replace oft injured Jordan Reed with Tyler Eifert?
IMO Hooper(and even Ebron to a lesser extent) will likely be overpaid due in part to the fact there is really no help in the draft at the position this year. The first TE in the draft may not go off the board until the third round. In a draft like this take a WR on day2 and another on day3 and adjust your offense. The WR depth of the draft is so good and the Redskins need WR. That's the legacy of Bruce Allen, you can go so many different directions because there is a need at nearly every position.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I like your thinking here and I agree Simmons seems like a perfect fit for Rivera, and he has shown willingness to spend draft capital at the position.
If it were me I'd do the same trade that you are suggesting but I would target either Wills or Wirfs. In the absolute dream scenario you trade down to 5 with MIA, and then you are able to trade down again to the 7/8/9 range to snipe your favorite OT before the Browns/Jets picks. I wouldn't even be that bummed if I had to "settle" for Thomas if he was your third choice. I would definitely be targeting one of those three guys though. FA OT's just make too much on the open market. We'll see what Conklin ends up getting but it won't be cheap. The Redskins really need to put the Williams situation in the rear view mirror. When it was about medicals I was all on board with Williams but now it just seems like a money grab.
I like the idea of WAS addressing CB BEFORE the draft in FA. Maybe draft one as well but don't go into the draft with a desperate need. After their experience with Trent Williams last season you would think they would avoid a possible holdout by Dunbar at any cost. Dunbar is smart to demand his money now because WAS is so weak at CB. They should go out and sign several of the cheap guys on non-guaranteed deals that have the tools but haven't put it together yet. I'm sure a lot of Redskin fans would like to Fuller brought back and I wouldn't be against it but there's a pretty big list of CB's that are still very young: Waynes, Roby, Darby, Apple, Kevin Johnson, Hargreaves, Alexander. I'm not saying those guys are world beaters but they were thought of very highly coming into the league and are all in their mid-20's so you never know if they thrive in a new system. You could sign several of those guys for very little money and if 1 out of 3 of them, or 2 out of 4 of them make the final roster what have you really lost? That way you are insulated from injury concerns until the start of the season and you put yourself in a better bargaining position with Dunbar in case he plays hardball and threatens to sit out the season the way Williams did.
People want to project Bradberry to WAS simply because of the Rivera connection but if you are going to spend that much why not just go Byron Jones? Both Jones and Bradberry will eventually get overpaid but at least Jones has a higher ceiling in my view. Really, in the defense Rivera runs I'm not sure that you should be spending a ton of money at corner anyway. There was a reason CAR dealt Norman instead of paying him and a reason Norman didn't look nearly as good after he left the CAR defensive scheme.
fatness
Footballguy
My guess is that they'd be interested in Hooper more than Henry (who's now unavailable) because Henry gets hurt a lot. I'm hoping signing frequently-injured players is a thing of the past for the Skins. Hooper will get overpaid but so do all top FA's, and a lot of the time in a year or two they don't seem overpaid at all as salaries continue to rise. I'm just unsure how Hooper will do on a team without good WR's and Matt Ryan. But he's young and talented.BoltBacker said:
They really have no one at TE. Jeremy Sprinkle could start for them ever week I guess and get 32 catches for the year but that's below-ideal production. They did just sign TE Marcus Baugh who's a TE (from Carolina I think, so probably just signed out of familiarity).
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fatness
Footballguy
Skins are interested in Kenyan Drake according to John Keim. There's quite a number of veteran RB's on the market. A lot of them will settle for a lot less money than they'd like, too, since the RB position keeps getting devalued.
fatness
Footballguy
Preliminary negotiations about extending Jon Bostic's contract.
He was surprisingly good last year. I figured he was washed up but he played with real effort and was around the ball a lot. I don't know how he'll be in a 4-3 defense though.
He was surprisingly good last year. I figured he was washed up but he played with real effort and was around the ball a lot. I don't know how he'll be in a 4-3 defense though.
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
I love the, I guess you'd call it HOPE, that I suddenly have in this franchise again. I really do think hiring Ron was a HUGE move (2nd only to the firing our idiot GM) Maybe they are locked on Chase at 1.2 (and honestly I hope they are) BUT, why not build up interest in the 1.2 pick with all the Tua talk? Sounds like we either get 3 1sts in trade or we take Chase. I'd be very happy with either scenario. We have money to spend in free agency, and I don't think we'll sign any old over the hill vets like we used to. And can you imagine how much better our offense will be if we can get lucky again and find another 3rd or 4th round WR gem like we did with McLaurin and Crowder? And I think we should go ahead and pay the market inflated price for Henry or Hooper, you just don't see many really elite teams that don't have really good to great TEs in the NFL (just look at last year's SB with Kittle and Kelce) Exited for the draft!!!
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I don't even think you'd need much luck to find a #2 WR in the 3rd round of this draft. If they did trade down to acquire a 2nd rounder they might even get a #1 WR in the 2nd round and then you would have McLaurin as your #2 WR.
I'm not really bashing Hooper(have him in several dynasty teams so I've been a fan since he was drafted). My problem is paying a guy with his modest skill set ~$11Mil/season which would be more than Kelce earned last year. I just don't see Hooper as that type of guy. I understand "you have to spend the money somewhere" but if you hand out big contracts to guys like Hooper/Dunbar/Bradberry you are making the mistake of signing "ok" player at the peak of their market. Didn't they already try that with Paul Richardson? Just doesn't seem to me that any of those guys have all that high a ceiling, they are all just "solid" or disappointing.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I completely agree. I wouldn't mind seeing the team bring in The Riddick to replace Chris Thompson on passing downs as well. Near minimum veteran contract and would help hide the fact they have nothing at TE. He's 28 but he doesn't have much wear on the tires.
It does cause some pause though when you take this rumor in while also considering that Rivera is talking up the use of both Adrian Peterson and Bryce Love. It makes you wonder if the Guice injuries are starting to mount and the team is losing hope he'll ever be even a true 1a RB you can count on. He looks good when he plays it's just a shame that's so infrequent.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I just feel that's where coaching comes into play. If the option is to keep the offense and overpay a "good" TE like an All-Pro, or draft two very good WR's in one of the strongest WR drafts in recent memory in rounds 3-5..... seems to me that you just change the offense to fit the talent.
There are also some TE busts from around the league you could take advantage of. For instance if CHI(one of the teams supposedly ready to spend big on Hooper) were interested in clearing cap space I would be more than happy to make one of those "I'll take the cap hit for a draft pick" type trades. Cleveland got a 2nd rounder + 6th rounder for taking on the Osweiler contract(and CLE chipped in a 4th). I doubt WAS would get quite that much but I'd take anything close to that deal as it sounds like CHI is DONE with Burton and he's only 28yo. It wasn't long ago he was the rising young TE that was hot on the FA market.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Any of you optimistic folks up for owning my season tickets for 2020? Unfortunately, I'm serious.
Redskins Season Tickets have been in my family since not long after the Team moved here from Boston in 1937. My Dad, who passed 20 years ago, and a group of fellow Army Officers, apparently purchased an entire section of seats at Griffith way back in the day. When moved to RFK that got a little pricey, but they still had a few rows of prime seats where I got to enjoy the Gibbs 1 glory years. Got even more pricey, and most of the buddies were either too old or infirm by the time moved to JKC/FedEx, but we kept our original 4 seats, even through all the garbage in/garbage out through the Snyder regime.
Some time ago, I got fed up to the point where I stopped going, but I became friends with a ticket broker, and we made a profit sharing arrangement where he'd pay for the tickets up front. That worked out great until 2017, which was the first year we actually lost money, although just barely. 2018 was a big loser, and 2019 just as bad, if not worse. He almost didn't buy them last year, and although we haven't had that conversation yet, I'm pretty sure he's going to pass on fronting the cost this year, and I'm struggling to figure out how I'm going to pay for them. I'm the unpaid full-time caregiver for my 92-year-old Mom, and am raising a stepson who's deadbeat Dad doesn't pay child support. I really don't want to lose that link to my Dad and the glory years if at all possible. It would just crush me if they turned it around after declined to renew. I can put together a plan for 2021 starting right now, but I need a 'bridge year' to get there. I detest debt of any kind, and would prefer not to take out a loan for a stupid reason like paying for football tickets.
Some of the best seats in the stadium to enjoy the start of the new Riv'era': Section 103, Row 17, Seats 15-18. Price $5761, due by 04/01. PM me if interested.
Redskins Season Tickets have been in my family since not long after the Team moved here from Boston in 1937. My Dad, who passed 20 years ago, and a group of fellow Army Officers, apparently purchased an entire section of seats at Griffith way back in the day. When moved to RFK that got a little pricey, but they still had a few rows of prime seats where I got to enjoy the Gibbs 1 glory years. Got even more pricey, and most of the buddies were either too old or infirm by the time moved to JKC/FedEx, but we kept our original 4 seats, even through all the garbage in/garbage out through the Snyder regime.
Some time ago, I got fed up to the point where I stopped going, but I became friends with a ticket broker, and we made a profit sharing arrangement where he'd pay for the tickets up front. That worked out great until 2017, which was the first year we actually lost money, although just barely. 2018 was a big loser, and 2019 just as bad, if not worse. He almost didn't buy them last year, and although we haven't had that conversation yet, I'm pretty sure he's going to pass on fronting the cost this year, and I'm struggling to figure out how I'm going to pay for them. I'm the unpaid full-time caregiver for my 92-year-old Mom, and am raising a stepson who's deadbeat Dad doesn't pay child support. I really don't want to lose that link to my Dad and the glory years if at all possible. It would just crush me if they turned it around after declined to renew. I can put together a plan for 2021 starting right now, but I need a 'bridge year' to get there. I detest debt of any kind, and would prefer not to take out a loan for a stupid reason like paying for football tickets.
Some of the best seats in the stadium to enjoy the start of the new Riv'era': Section 103, Row 17, Seats 15-18. Price $5761, due by 04/01. PM me if interested.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
If the rumors from last season at the trade deadline are to be believed finding a trade PARTNER isn't really the problem. It's finding a partner willing to give up the compensation WAS was asking for. A ton of teams need offensive line help out there but there are a string of asterisks that go along with Williams at this point in his career. They really need to move forward at this point. New coach, no Bruce Allen. Just let this new chapter start with a whole new vibe instead of letting this lead weight of a story hang over the franchise at every presser until the season starts.
fatness
Footballguy
Between Guice and Love I think it's a safe bet that one or both of them will be injured a good part of the year. It makes sense to look at other RB's.
fatness
Footballguy
Add the Browns to that list: https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/reports-show-interest-heating-multiple-teams-trent-williams-sweepstakeshttps://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/reports-show-interest-heating-multiple-teams-trent-williams-sweepstakes
Article also mentions that the Texans have little to offer.
fatness
Footballguy
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/ron-rivera-wants-both-ereck-flowers-brandon-scherff-back-redskins
I was surprised Flowers did OK last year, very surprised.
DallasDMac
Footballguy
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Make that infinity.
I find it hard to believe anyone will pay more than $17M per. I'm not even sure the Skins missed him that much. When 100 year old Donald Penn is a suitable replacement it doesn't lend to Williams getting a mega contract.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
It's not completely clear to me if that's how much he wants(is expecting?), or if that how much he wants... to stay in WAS. He's clearly gone to great lengths at great personal expense to get out of WAS. When I felt it was dealing with that medical staff and dealing with Bruce Allen I couldn't really blame him. Now, it seems that despite the regime change Williams still isn't happy and expects to recoup the money he cost himself by sitting out. There were rumors that part of the problem last year was salary related as well but I wanted to give Williams the benefit of the doubt. This kind of smells like a Melvin Gordon situation where the player and his agent have a completely different idea of what their market value is than the league. They aren't just overvaluing their worth to an NFL franchise, they are expecting compensation way out of their league.Roto reporting Trent Williams wants 20 MIL a year. Riiiiiight.
