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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (2 Viewers)

Realized this fit better here with people who care than in the hot seat thread:

Rivera standing stone faced as his team fights themselves and they get whomped by a division arch rival on national TV when they were still in the playoff hunt looks awful too. Don’t get me wrong, Snyder can’t do better than Rivera and the next coach would be back to the Zorn-type dark ages. But if Rivera doesn’t figure out QB and somehow end up with a top 10 guy at the position he’s doomed. It’s the only thing that will ever allow him to look better than average—his 1980’s style of “play defense and have a running game” team-building dream is dead and he doesn’t seem to know it. Nice guy and people around the league like him but without a QB he’s toast, like most coaches. 

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Rivera standing stone faced as his team fights themselves and they get whomped by a division arch rival on national TV when they were still in the playoff hunt looks awful too.
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Rivera said he didn't know the fight was going on. Not disagreeing with what you said.

 
I still can't get over what a clown show this organization is.   

Don't know what's worse: 

  • Sending heated benches to a domed stadium in Dallas on an 80-degree day
  • Scheduling a hastily-planned event to honor Sean Taylor, and have his family take pictures on the street named for Sean Taylor in front of a row of porta-potties
  • Team President sending out a Christmas tweet with Santa and a snowman urinating on a Dallas helmet (in the end, it was the WFT that got pi$$ed on)
  • John Allen and Duron Payne trying out as the undercard for Wrestlemania

 
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Not that they would have won yesterday, but this is who was out

Chase Young
Curtis Samuel
Cole Holcomb
Landon Collins
Jon Bostic
William Jackson III
JD McKissic
Logan Thomas
Jamin Davis
Brandon Scherff
Tyler Larsen
Wes Schweitzer
Khaleke Hudson
Benjamin St-Juste
Deshazor Everett

 
fatness said:
Not that they would have won yesterday, but this is who was out

Chase Young
Curtis Samuel
Cole Holcomb
Landon Collins
Jon Bostic
William Jackson III
JD McKissic
Logan Thomas
Jamin Davis
Brandon Scherff
Tyler Larsen
Wes Schweitzer
Khaleke Hudson
Benjamin St-Juste
Deshazor Everett
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And several position coaches I think.  Regardless, if all those players and coaches were there it still would have been a debacle.   We expected the offense to be bad   They are starting a QB that not one other team would take as their starter.  None.  They are playing a college QB at TE when he's not injured, and a college WR at RB when he's not injured.  They are starting OT at OG.  OG at C.  The offense is a certified train wreck that we knew was coming.  But the D...even if some of us knew it was overrated they still have talent on the DL and in the secondary.  That to me falls on DelRio.  There is no QB pressure, yet they also don't stop the run.  That's almost impossible.  You should at a minimum be able to do one or the other.   It's so bad that Snyder has no faith in Snyder.  He's just counting money at this point.  He doesn't even care to win anymore.  He won't fire Ron.  And Ron won't fire his buddies or cut his guys.  This is just a worse run CAR.  Total mess.

 
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Del Rio has to go. And yeah, we HAVE to get a starting QB in today's NFL game. Against a good corner, our all pro WR can't get enough separation to wait for a lofted duck of a pass to get to him. I mean, I knew before this game we would be lucky if McLaurin had 3 catches. Just pathetic. And yes, in our defense, we have a TON of players out. No TE, a hobbled RB, it seems our punter is the best player on the team. That was one of the worst losses I can remember, and I turned it off before the 4th quarter started.  :bag:   I hope we lose next weekend for a better draft pick. I assume wish will be granted....

 
ffmail4me said:
Del Rio has to go. And yeah, we HAVE to get a starting QB in today's NFL game. Against a good corner, our all pro WR can't get enough separation to wait for a lofted duck of a pass to get to him. I mean, I knew before this game we would be lucky if McLaurin had 3 catches. Just pathetic. And yes, in our defense, we have a TON of players out. No TE, a hobbled RB, it seems our punter is the best player on the team. That was one of the worst losses I can remember, and I turned it off before the 4th quarter started.  :bag:   I hope we lose next weekend for a better draft pick. I assume wish will be granted....
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sadly im hoping for this too.  But WFT in the past will win games like this just to piss us off.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
But the D...even if some of us knew it was overrated they still have talent on the DL and in the secondary.  That to me falls on DelRio.  There is no QB pressure, yet they also don't stop the run.  That's almost impossible.  You should at a minimum be able to do one or the other.   
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Add to that his frequent refusal to make halftime adjustments, which offensive coordinators are aware of, and he puts the team at a disadvantage after halftime.

Add to that the many early-season complaints about D-linemen not sticking to their lanes. That falls on the DC as well.

 
I watched most of the first half.  The bottom line in both Dallas games:  on offense, the Football Team could not block.  Both pass blocking and run blocking was terrible.  The O line has been decent all season, but they are completely overwhelmed by Dallas.  Offensively, not much else matters when the O line gets beaten that badly.

Defensively, it feels like they should be better.  But there was very little pass rush and Dallas' receivers where open.  That is not a good combination.  

 
fatness said:
Add to that the many early-season complaints about D-linemen not sticking to their lanes. That falls on the DC as well.
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When it happened, I was wondering if this is what set off the Allen/Payne argument.  Maybe?  They were getting gashed up the middle.  And in the cut back lanes.  That largely falls on those two guys since Del Rio rarely has more than 4 guys within 10 yards of the LOS.  Frankly I'm not sad they got in a fight.  At least it shows one of them, or both of them care.  I just don't think Payne is all that good, at least in the schemes that are being used.  it feels like they are being asked to do too much.  it could simply be they don't have any LBs that are worth a damn.

I'll add that since we now mostly care about the draft, and which QB to take without trading up (or down).  Simply can't risk trading down and losing the best guy available.  Howell, Pickett, Ridder, and Corral are pretty much the choices.  I don't think they can go Willis unless he blows them away.  Prefer a program that has been successful, and get thie QB in as soon as possible.  Whether that's immediately or half a season in, the entire goal has to be to get a future star QB on a rookie contract that can play fairly soon.  All the other needs ... figure it out in free agency.  Can't count on anyone taken Round 2-7 to be an impact player.  Though I'd love to see them snag a real running back like Walker/Hall/Spiller or  and be more creative with how they position Gibson.  Maybe use him a bit more like what they likely planned for Samuel, where he's a hybrid RB/WR.

 
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I don't consider RB a huge need. When healthy (and I know he hasn't been a lot of this season) Gibson has done very well. McKissic is a great 3rd down back. We need a franchise QB, quality depth at all positions, LB help, CB help, and a TE if Thomas can't stay healthy. I'd like to think between Samuel and D. Brown we have a good 2nd WR but neither showed ANYTHING this year (but again, both were injured A LOT)

 
ffmail4me said:
I don't consider RB a huge need. When healthy (and I know he hasn't been a lot of this season) Gibson has done very well. McKissic is a great 3rd down back. We need a franchise QB, quality depth at all positions, LB help, CB help, and a TE if Thomas can't stay healthy. I'd like to think between Samuel and D. Brown we have a good 2nd WR but neither showed ANYTHING this year (but again, both were injured A LOT)
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Agree though i think we grab a vet rb for when Gibson isn’t healthy.  If we will have a young or non franchise qb we need a rb to take some pressure off.  As well as a defense to do the same.  The defense is close if a coach can get their act together.  
 

How long is fitz signed for btw or is he done?  I’d be fine with heineke as a placeholder and backup if we can’t get someone solid in the draft.  I haven’t looked at who is out there tbh. 

 
Brunell4MVP said:
I just don't think Payne is all that good, at least in the schemes that are being used.
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I've never felt Payne has played up to his billing or reputation. Allen on the other hand has been very good. I said last season he was their best O-lineman, and this season he's been better.

They need a new DC to either get something out of the D-line or start getting rid of  the underproducers.

 
ffmail4me said:
I don't consider RB a huge need. When healthy (and I know he hasn't been a lot of this season) Gibson has done very well. McKissic is a great 3rd down back. We need a franchise QB, quality depth at all positions, LB help, CB help, and a TE if Thomas can't stay healthy. I'd like to think between Samuel and D. Brown we have a good 2nd WR but neither showed ANYTHING this year (but again, both were injured A LOT)
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Gibson's injured too much. McKissic's injured too much. Thomas is injured too much. Samuel is injured too much.

Every year this team puts too much faith in often-injured players, and it works out badly every year.

 
fatness said:
Gibson's injured too much. McKissic's injured too much. Thomas is injured too much. Samuel is injured too much.

Every year this team puts too much faith in often-injured players, and it works out badly every year.
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Can't argue there  :(

 
Antonio Gibson and Ereck  Flowers on COVID list.

Sam Cosmi, Tress Way, Darryl Roberts also on list.

 
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Thank god this one is over. Only 1 left to go -- the Giants. Imagine losing to Mike Glennon. Or beating him and acting like that's a big deal.

 
Trying to figure out what will honestly be the best QB strategy for this team projecting forward. It cannot be Heiny. He showed his limitations down the stretch. 

Is there a draft worthy 1st rounder? There always seems to be, but experts say this isn't a strong class. Ron don't seem like a develop QB guy anyway so I'm thinking veteran. I don't see this as being considered a desirable destination for the big name QBs that might hit the market. Ron seems to prefer a mobile QB that can manage the game and make a play if needed. So looking at all the realistic options, I've come up with one name....

Marcus Mariota. 

I wouldn't hate it as he'd be cheaper, but I wouldn't be booking my playoff tickets either. I apologize if this has been discussed already. 

Looks like the team might have tried to trade for him earlier 

https://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/2021/03/washington-football-team-unsuccessfully-tried-to-trade-for-marcus-mariota-report.html

 
jbz said:
Trying to figure out what will honestly be the best QB strategy for this team projecting forward. It cannot be Heiny. He showed his limitations down the stretch. 

Is there a draft worthy 1st rounder? There always seems to be, but experts say this isn't a strong class. Ron don't seem like a develop QB guy anyway so I'm thinking veteran. I don't see this as being considered a desirable destination for the big name QBs that might hit the market. Ron seems to prefer a mobile QB that can manage the game and make a play if needed. So looking at all the realistic options, I've come up with one name....

Marcus Mariota. 

I wouldn't hate it as he'd be cheaper, but I wouldn't be booking my playoff tickets either. I apologize if this has been discussed already. 

Looks like the team might have tried to trade for him earlier 

https://www.oregonlive.com/nfl/2021/03/washington-football-team-unsuccessfully-tried-to-trade-for-marcus-mariota-report.html
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Gotta think they draft somebody.  No there aren't any studs going top 3 in the draft next year, but you might get the top QB picking 7th.

 
fatness said:
Gibson's injured too much. McKissic's injured too much. Thomas is injured too much. Samuel is injured too much.

Every year this team puts too much faith in often-injured players, and it works out badly every year.
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This is why I think they need a RB.  Jarret Patterson isn't the answer in all likelihood, but you could clearly see RB skills when he was in the game.  Start/Stop.  Hesitations.  Low pads. Twitchy feet  Gibson doesn't have that and can't take the pounding.  McKissic is a 3rd down back.  I think Gibson could be used far more creatively than he is if he's not the one taking the pounding.  He could position as TE, RB, slot WR ... all over.  He can obviously catch the ball.  But he's gonna get hurt a lot if he's lined up at RB and runs into a wall 90% of the time.

I actually think the weapons are there on offense.  McLaurin, Simms, Gibson, McKissic, a healthy Thomas or Samuels.  Even Humphries is decent.  They need to shore up the OL a bit.  And Turner needs to use more motion.  The last piece is a QB that has a better arm.  God love Heinicke ... he has done a ton for the team this year.  And plays with heart and passion.  But if Pickett is on the board I take about .0001 seconds before drafting him.

 
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Deamon said:
Gotta think they draft somebody.  No there aren't any studs going top 3 in the draft next year, but you might get the top QB picking 7th.
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I think Rivera and all need to identify a QB in the draft and then, go get him.  It's not getting the highest rated QB based on the all the publications, it is getting the QB that you believe will develop into what you want and committing to developing him.  He does not need to be in the first round.

This approach basically requires that you draft him higher than you would normally.  But that is the price you pay to get they guy you want.

I do think something if they cannot identify a QB they can work with in this year's draft, something is wrong.  There should be a QB you can work with in two years of drafts.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
I actually think the weapons are there on offense.  McLaurin, Simms, Gibson, McKissic, a healthy Thomas or Samuels.  Even Humphries is decent.  They need to shore up the OL a bit.  And Turner needs to use more motion.  The last piece is a QB that has a better arm.  God love Heinicke ... he has done a ton for the team this year.  And plays with heart and passion.  But if Pickett is on the board I take about .0001 seconds before drafting him
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Not personally directed at you; I just think every year Washington fans overestimate the ability of their own players by only comparing them to their own players potential. Thats not a top-notch group of skill players. McLaurin, Simms, Gibson, McKissic, Thomas,  Samuels, Humphries --- the only one that other teams have to game plan for is McLaurin. Which other teams have done successfully for several weeks now. That list could just as well read McLaurin, Simms, Hurt, Hurt, Hurt, Hurt, Humphries.

They could get by with that group and numerous healthy backups IF they had a good offensive line. But Washington has shortchanged the offensive line for years. Letting Williams and Morgan go was a mistake. The whole group is sub-par now and as the season has gone along we've seem their performance steadily decline. Scherff is vastly overrated, Cosmi's just a kid learning, Rouillier wouldn't be starting anywhere else, nor would Flowers. Leno's nothing to brag about, he's been beat a lot this year. The Eagles overwhelmed them primarily by rushing 4 guys. They need to build up the O-line significantly to sustain an offense. And of course they need a QB. 

 
The turning point of the meeting seemed to come with around seven minutes remaining in the second quarter. That was the spot where Washington conceded the first of its three sacks and where the Eagles' front started taking over. Keith Ismael was manhandled a few times after that at center, including once by Genard Avery, a 250-pound lineman, while Cornelius Lucas was unable to hold up on the right edge. And on the play where Ricky Seals-Jones got injured, essentially every member of the Burgundy and Gold's offensive line was beaten, causing Heinicke to scramble right so he wouldn't be planted into the grass.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/haileys-notebook-what-stood-out-re-watching-washingtons-second-loss-philly

 
fatness said:
My biggest fear: "And now, starting for the 2022 Washington Football Team, at quarterback ---- Daniel Jones."
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Go wash your mouth out with soap! And your hands for typing that!

I'd take Mariota over him. I'll take Tua if the Phins aren't sold. Who else is technically available? 

Draft wise I see the Skins tied to Corral from Ole Miss, but he just injured his leg. Not sure of the severity. 

 
jbz said:
Go wash your mouth out with soap! And your hands for typing that!

I'd take Mariota over him. I'll take Tua if the Phins aren't sold. Who else is technically available? 

Draft wise I see the Skins tied to Corral from Ole Miss, but he just injured his leg. Not sure of the severity. 
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Corral injury was said to not be serious and not have any lasting impact.

I've seen him tied to WFT a lot as well.  I think he showed a ton of character and sacrifice playing in that Bowl even though it did not work out well.  I also get the impression he's a much better TH....tough, gritty, athletic, a leader, and with a better arm and overall athleticism.  You could do a lot worse than give him a shot to be your team's captain for the next 5 years.

 
fatness said:
My biggest fear: "And now, starting for the 2022 Washington Football Team, at quarterback ---- Daniel Jones."
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I was hoping we would get him that draft (I am a Duke fan) BUT...he is still better than Haskins  :bag:

Yeah, we have to get a good QB next year. I hope we draft someone with a damn strong arm. Tired of these great "character" QBs we've had lately (Smith, Taylor, Allen) who can't zip it in tight windows the way the elite QBs can. Yes, you need touch too (Haskins Campbell, and RG3 had rockets with no touch IMO) but its been a long time since we've had that. 

 
jbz said:
Have they made a stance on Schreff? I hope they don't pay him. 
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Scherff wants to play for the highest bidder. That's kinda been known for awhile. It hasn't affected his play this year at all, to his credit. But if we're talking about his play it hasn't been good for 2 years and he gets hurt a lot. If they waste money on re-signing him I'll be royally pissed off. Stop paying oft-injured overrated players.

 
fatness said:
Not personally directed at you; I just think every year Washington fans overestimate the ability of their own players by only comparing them to their own players potential. Thats not a top-notch group of skill players. McLaurin, Simms, Gibson, McKissic, Thomas,  Samuels, Humphries --- the only one that other teams have to game plan for is McLaurin. Which other teams have done successfully for several weeks now. That list could just as well read McLaurin, Simms, Hurt, Hurt, Hurt, Hurt, Humphries.

They could get by with that group and numerous healthy backups IF they had a good offensive line. But Washington has shortchanged the offensive line for years. Letting Williams and Morgan go was a mistake. The whole group is sub-par now and as the season has gone along we've seem their performance steadily decline. Scherff is vastly overrated, Cosmi's just a kid learning, Rouillier wouldn't be starting anywhere else, nor would Flowers. Leno's nothing to brag about, he's been beat a lot this year. The Eagles overwhelmed them primarily by rushing 4 guys. They need to build up the O-line significantly to sustain an offense. And of course they need a QB. 
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If anything i'm usually hard on the lack of talent on the team.  Bruce Allen was a mess as a GM.  Rivera is bad at it.  Perhaps even worse than Allen.  I'd say they haven't had a good talent evaluator since Snyder took over.  McCloughan could have been but he never proved it.  I mean he picked Scherff and Doctson which were not good where they were taken.    And I hate L Thomas and Gibson in their starting roles since they never played those positions before the NFL.  But we will disagree a bit which is OK because I do think the perimeter skills are there if Turner was more creative.  But I'm not going to ding him becauae I'm not sure he can be creative with Heinicke and the bad OL. 

Totally agree with you on the OL.  100%  The last 3 years they have managed to work magic with a bad OL.  And by magic I mean not be horrible.  They are at best adequate and need a huge talent infusion on the OL.

They need a ton more.  And I'm not sure the right guys are on staff to find better players.  I have no faith in Rivera since he goes to his on well far, far too often.  I just thing the first step is a QB, even if it's the wrong one and they have to try again and again.  They gotta get out of this hole of 2-4 starting QBs per year.

 
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Since it's the end of another crap season, time for a diversion --- announcements about the annoucement of a new team name. Woo hoo.

 
dgreen said:
Rick Snider said the Minnesota Timberwolves are the ones who have blocked the wolves names. They apparently have a ton of them trademarked.
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Washington has both the lawyers and the money to deal with this.  Just owning a trademark is irrelevant unless you are actively using/defending it.  I'm sure it wouldn't take a lot to settle that one.

But then again, I believe every option they've presented is worse than Football Team.

 
Someone on facebook posted a still shot of the video where the hand the new helmet (which is blurred out) to coach, and you can see in the window a reflection...just a big W on the helmet. I hope that's fake, because if that is what we are supposed to get excited about....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 
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