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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Commanders Thread (4 Viewers)

Washington announced on Tuesday that the club has hired Jesse Madden, John Madden’s grandson, as an offensive quality control coach.
Additionally, Washington formally announced the club has hired Brian Schneider as assistant special teams coordinator. The move was previously reported earlier this month. Schneider and Washington head coach Dan Quinn worked alongside one another with the Seahawks in 2010 and from 2013-2014, winning Super Bowl XLVIII.
 
I can't figure out why Allen wants to leave. The entire world sees our franchise owner/coach/QB in a very positive light, future is very bright...I can see why the team might want to trade him but confused why he would want out...is it just me?
 
I can't figure out why Allen wants to leave. The entire world sees our franchise owner/coach/QB in a very positive light, future is very bright...I can see why the team might want to trade him but confused why he would want out...is it just me?
Heading into the final year of his contract, Allen probably wants more money than the team thinks he is worth at this point in his career, coming off kind of a down year, with injuries, etc. After testing the waters around the league, hopefully he'll wind up signing a reasonable contract with the Commanders.
 
I can't figure out why Allen wants to leave. The entire world sees our franchise owner/coach/QB in a very positive light, future is very bright...I can see why the team might want to trade him but confused why he would want out...is it just me?
Heading into the final year of his contract, Allen probably wants more money than the team thinks he is worth at this point in his career, coming off kind of a down year, with injuries, etc. After testing the waters around the league, hopefully he'll wind up signing a reasonable contract with the Commanders.
Also, they kinda drafted Newton to replace one of him or Payne, and while Allen is probably a better player than Payne, he's also less durable, older, and his contract comes up sooner.
 
I can't figure out why Allen wants to leave. The entire world sees our franchise owner/coach/QB in a very positive light, future is very bright...I can see why the team might want to trade him but confused why he would want out...is it just me?
Heading into the final year of his contract, Allen probably wants more money than the team thinks he is worth at this point in his career, coming off kind of a down year, with injuries, etc. After testing the waters around the league, hopefully he'll wind up signing a reasonable contract with the Commanders.
Also, they kinda drafted Newton to replace one of him or Payne, and while Allen is probably a better player than Payne, he's also less durable, older, and his contract comes up sooner.
I think these last two posts cover the range of possibilities. Allen wants an extension and Washington isn't necessarily wanting to give him one because of age & injury history. I'm not a Washington fan, but I live in the area, am inundated with Commanders talk, and this doesn't seem like a Mexican Standoff to me. It sounds like Washington is saying "Jon, you find a team willing to extend and we'll do our best to accommodate you". Allen wants one more payday and I don't blame him after what he had to go through with the previous regime. I don't see this as a contentious issue at all. Washington is trying to ease him out of the door and letting him try to find a landing spot.
 
"Assuming the 5th round pick from Washington to San Francisco is in 2025, it will be pick 148. That was acquired in the Marshon Lattimore trade from New Orleans," Yates said in a social media post following the trade. "The net deal would then be: Commanders get Lattimore and Deebo Samuel for a 2025 3rd, 4th and 6th rounder.""
 
I know fans were staying away from the games for years. Is the stadium going to be packed again now, or do folks still not believe?
 
"Assuming the 5th round pick from Washington to San Francisco is in 2025, it will be pick 148. That was acquired in the Marshon Lattimore trade from New Orleans," Yates said in a social media post following the trade. "The net deal would then be: Commanders get Lattimore and Deebo Samuel for a 2025 3rd, 4th and 6th rounder.""
They also got a 3rd (!!!!) back for trading Dotson.
 
So they gave up a 5th for Samuel while getting a 3rd for Dotson? That's some pretty good front office work.
Yeah - I had high hopes for Dotson after his hot start his rookie year. I was a big fan of his at PSU. Thought he was going to be great in the NFL, but it never translated. Some Eagles fans liked to talk about how they "won" the Dotson trade after he almost scored a TD in the Super Bowl. I don't think anybody would trade a 3rd for 19 catches and 216 regular-season yards.
 
This makes me really sad, seeing as how he's been my favorite Redskin/Football Team/Commanders player pretty much since he was drafted.

Report: Commanders will release Jonathan Allen if they can’t find trade partner

"The Commanders have had trade conversations with defensive tackle Jonathan Allen, but General Manager Adam Peters said last week that all options were on the table. They apparently are down to two options, which likely also always was the case. Allen will not return to Washington.

Michael Silver of TheAthletic.com reports Wednesday the Commanders will release Allen in a cost-cutting move if they can’t find a trade partner."
 
So they gave up a 5th for Samuel while getting a 3rd for Dotson? That's some pretty good front office work.
Yeah - I had high hopes for Dotson after his hot start his rookie year. I was a big fan of his at PSU. Thought he was going to be great in the NFL, but it never translated. Some Eagles fans liked to talk about how they "won" the Dotson trade after he almost scored a TD in the Super Bowl. I don't think anybody would trade a 3rd for 19 catches and 216 regular-season yards.

This isn't really a fair comparison.

1. Dotson's cap hit is $15M less.

2. He was signed for multiple years.
 
So they gave up a 5th for Samuel while getting a 3rd for Dotson? That's some pretty good front office work.
Yeah - I had high hopes for Dotson after his hot start his rookie year. I was a big fan of his at PSU. Thought he was going to be great in the NFL, but it never translated. Some Eagles fans liked to talk about how they "won" the Dotson trade after he almost scored a TD in the Super Bowl. I don't think anybody would trade a 3rd for 19 catches and 216 regular-season yards.

This isn't really a fair comparison.

1. Dotson's cap hit is $15M less.

2. He was signed for multiple years.

I don't disagree with your comparison points - but I don't think most consider getting that kind of production in exchange for a 3rd round pick to be a good swap. I feel like you could likely get that from a rookie at an actual 3rd round pick - who would be on a multi-year rookie deal, but I do get that the need was perhaps a "now" need - and ultimately, you can only question decisions in what was ultimately a Super Bowl season so much...

Let's look at it purely from the point of view of the Commanders at least - there's very little room for anyone to be unhappy with getting a 3rd round pick for Dotson given the current market.
 
So they gave up a 5th for Samuel while getting a 3rd for Dotson? That's some pretty good front office work.
Yeah - I had high hopes for Dotson after his hot start his rookie year. I was a big fan of his at PSU. Thought he was going to be great in the NFL, but it never translated. Some Eagles fans liked to talk about how they "won" the Dotson trade after he almost scored a TD in the Super Bowl. I don't think anybody would trade a 3rd for 19 catches and 216 regular-season yards.

This isn't really a fair comparison.

1. Dotson's cap hit is $15M less.

2. He was signed for multiple years.

I don't disagree with your comparison points - but I don't think most consider getting that kind of production in exchange for a 3rd round pick to be a good swap. I feel like you could likely get that from a rookie at an actual 3rd round pick - who would be on a multi-year rookie deal, but I do get that the need was perhaps a "now" need - and ultimately, you can only question decisions in what was ultimately a Super Bowl season so much...

Let's look at it purely from the point of view of the Commanders at least - there's very little room for anyone to be unhappy with getting a 3rd round pick for Dotson given the current market.

Absolutely, I said the same thing in the Eagles thread. They were better off keep Zaccheaus instead of trading for Dotson, unless they are thinking of moving on from one of Brown or Smith and they think Dotson can be a #2 WR in the offense.
 
This makes me really sad, seeing as how he's been my favorite Redskin/Football Team/Commanders player pretty much since he was drafted.

Report: Commanders will release Jonathan Allen if they can’t find trade partner

"The Commanders have had trade conversations with defensive tackle Jonathan Allen, but General Manager Adam Peters said last week that all options were on the table. They apparently are down to two options, which likely also always was the case. Allen will not return to Washington.

Michael Silver of TheAthletic.com reports Wednesday the Commanders will release Allen in a cost-cutting move if they can’t find a trade partner."
I hate to see Allen go but I understand the team's logic regarding an expensive, older, possibly declining player. Now watch him go have an amazing back half of his career with another team like Trent Williams did with the Niners.
 
So they gave up a 5th for Samuel while getting a 3rd for Dotson? That's some pretty good front office work.
Yeah - I had high hopes for Dotson after his hot start his rookie year. I was a big fan of his at PSU. Thought he was going to be great in the NFL, but it never translated. Some Eagles fans liked to talk about how they "won" the Dotson trade after he almost scored a TD in the Super Bowl. I don't think anybody would trade a 3rd for 19 catches and 216 regular-season yards.

This isn't really a fair comparison.

1. Dotson's cap hit is $15M less.

2. He was signed for multiple years.

I don't disagree with your comparison points - but I don't think most consider getting that kind of production in exchange for a 3rd round pick to be a good swap. I feel like you could likely get that from a rookie at an actual 3rd round pick - who would be on a multi-year rookie deal, but I do get that the need was perhaps a "now" need - and ultimately, you can only question decisions in what was ultimately a Super Bowl season so much...

Let's look at it purely from the point of view of the Commanders at least - there's very little room for anyone to be unhappy with getting a 3rd round pick for Dotson given the current market.

Absolutely, I said the same thing in the Eagles thread. They were better off keep Zaccheaus instead of trading for Dotson, unless they are thinking of moving on from one of Brown or Smith and they think Dotson can be a #2 WR in the offense.
As a Dotson dynasty owner in more leagues than I want to admit, that would be great...but as a Washington fan, I hope that never happens ;)
 
Update on Washington's search for an EDGE: The Commanders have been monitoring the Trey Hendrickson situation. I suppose that trading for Hendrickson would cost us one or more high draft picks, plus a hefty contract extension. Could be worth it - Hendrickson is a stud DE.

On the other hand, the Chargers released Joey Bosa. Signing him would cost Washington no draft capital but probably a sizable contract despite Bosa's injury history. And then there's the Myles Garrett situation. I think the Commanders need to sign one of these three players somehow. The pass rush needs major improvement.
 
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Commanders, Bobby Wagner reach 1-year deal. Good move by the team, in my opinion. Maybe he's lost a step but he's still as good or better than half the LBs in the league. Plus his leadership and intangibles are critical to this improving defense.
Yeah, he had a good year and resigned for only $1 million more than last year. He looks slow to me when he plays but he's around the ball a lot, and his leadership in the locker room is huge. He and Daniels have an ongoing friendly habit of giving each other ****, for fun.
 
Zane Gonzalez (last of many kickers last season) signed for another year.


I remember when my oldest son was about 5 we were talking about something or other and he didn't yet know the word or expression for something, he would make one up. One of the best ones was "most least worst". I still use that today.

Zane Gonzalez, K, WAS --- most least worst
 
Update on Washington's search for an EDGE: The Commanders have been monitoring the Trey Hendrickson situation. I suppose that trading for Hendrickson would cost us one or more high draft picks, plus a hefty contract extension. Could be worth it - Hendrickson is a stud DE.
I wonder what's a better draft for Washington's first 3 rounds.
Hendrickson
our 2nd round pick
our 3rd round pick
or
Our 1st round pick
Our 2nd round pick
our 3rd round pick

I like the first one better, knowing that we'd have to give up player(s) as well. What do the Bengals need?

On the other hand, the Chargers released Joey Bosa. Signing him would cost Washington no draft capital but probably a sizable contract despite Bosa's injury history. And then there's the Myles Garrett situation. I think the Commanders need to sign one of these three players somehow. The pass rush needs major improvement.
I really want them to end up with one of the 3 but I agree with your reservations about Bosa getting injured a lot. Our defense sucked horribly last year and badly needs a stronger defensive line. Hendrickson is really, really good.

Can you imagine how bad our defense would have been last year without Wagner on the field? We would have given up 500 points.
 
If I were Washington, I wouldn't want any parts of Bosa. They need several more playmakers on defense, and they need playmakers who can stay on the field. I'd rather give up more for the other two mentioned above. Plus, I'm a Ravens fan and I want both of them out of the AFCN :lol:

Also, a good resigning with Wagner. He's worth a lot more than his foot-speed on the field to that team.
 
If I were Washington, I wouldn't want any parts of Bosa. They need several more playmakers on defense, and they need playmakers who can stay on the field. I'd rather give up more for the other two mentioned above. Plus, I'm a Ravens fan and I want both of them out of the AFCN :lol:

Also, a good resigning with Wagner. He's worth a lot more than his foot-speed on the field to that team.

Yeah - I want nothing to do with Bosa. Some guys just can't stay health...when it's gone on this long, it's more than just bad luck. We were relatively lucky to avoid major injury issues last year, and that always helps your outlook. I'd rather tie up a little less $$ into someone with a little less upside, but a much higher floor honestly (when you consider Bosa's floor is the crawl-space when he's injured).
 
So Allen has been released. I guess with all the injuries and time he's missed teams weren't lining up with trade offers. At least they save over $16 million in cap space with this move. Wish him well and hope we can get a better pass rush via free agency/trade/draft.
 
I'd only be interested in Bosa if the money and terms were right, preferably with plenty of incentives for staying on the field. We need to improve the pass rush - I'd prefer to do so without giving up picks since we're suddenly competent in the draft. But maybe that's not possible. I think I'd be okay with giving up our #1 for Hendrickson but not much more - and he will be seeking a hefty contract, justifiably so. Landing Garrett would be a real coup for our defense but at what cost? I'm on the fence with that one - not sure I want to part with a boatload of draft picks even for Garrett. So then do we stand pat and build through the draft? Or do we wheel and deal like crazy to build a team around Daniels during his rookie contract window? Or some combination of FA and smart drafting? I'll have to trust the judgment of Adam Peters here.
 
Stuff you love to read:

"Bobby Wagner could have hit free agency as one of the top insider linebackers available. Instead, he officially re-signed with Washington on Friday, staying on a one-year deal worth up to $9.5 million. Wagner said he never considered leaving.

“I just love what we’re building here. I love the team. I feel like this is the place,” Wagner said, via Nicki Jhabvala of the Washington Post. “You always want to be in a place where they want you to be here and they accept you. And I feel like we have unfinished business to do.”

Wagner, 34, represented himself in negotiations and said he was “pretty confident” the sides would work something out. “It was more so just kind of sitting down and putting our heads together to make something good for both sides,” Wagner said. “If we weren’t able to get something towards free agency, I would have had to consider [other places]. But this is where I wanted to be. This is who I wanted to play for.”"
 
I'd only be interested in Bosa if the money and terms were right, preferably with plenty of incentives for staying on the field. We need to improve the pass rush - I'd prefer to do so without giving up picks since we're suddenly competent in the draft. But maybe that's not possible. I think I'd be okay with giving up our #1 for Hendrickson but not much more - and he will be seeking a hefty contract, justifiably so. Landing Garrett would be a real coup for our defense but at what cost? I'm on the fence with that one - not sure I want to part with a boatload of draft picks even for Garrett. So then do we stand pat and build through the draft? Or do we wheel and deal like crazy to build a team around Daniels during his rookie contract window? Or some combination of FA and smart drafting? I'll have to trust the judgment of Adam Peters here.
I think Peters is taking the long view. He knows they're going to end up paying Daniels $65 million per year. He'll pick his spots, but won't mortgage everything down the line in an attempt to "win now".

I was being a little tongue-in-cheek about Garrett and Hendrickson, but Washington can afford to take a swing at guys like that if they want to. They still need an infusion of talent almost across the board and sometimes one player isn't worth taking a shot on three or four.

It'll be interesting to see how they play this.
 
"Commanders running back Chris Rodriguez will not hit the open market next week.
According to multiple reports, the Commanders have tendered Rodriguez with a contract as an exclusive rights free agent. The move bars him from negotiating with other clubs, so he’ll be vying for playing time in the Washington backfield this year."
I'm good with this move for depth but ideally Rodriquez doesn't see the field this year and I'm really hoping the Commanders upgrade the backfield in a major way this offseason. If Hampton or Jeanty fall to the bottom of the first, or if Henderson or Judkins are available when we select later in the draft, I think we should pull the trigger and get a stud to power the running game and maybe take some pressure off Daniels. So much incredible RB talent this year - hoping we at least select someone late if possible. Or if we could trade for Breece Hall without selling the farm, I'd support that too.

EDIT: Dylan Sampson highlights
 
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I'm good with this move for depth but ideally Rodriquez doesn't see the field this year and I'm really hoping the Commanders upgrade the backfield in a major way this offseason. If Hampton or Jeanty fall to the bottom of the first, or if Henderson or Judkins are available when we select later in the draft, I think we should pull the trigger and get a stud to power the running game and maybe take some pressure off Daniels. So much incredible RB talent this year - hoping we at least select someone late if possible. Or if we could trade for Breece Hall without selling the farm, I'd support that too.
Dylan Sampson would be a fun fit there. Personally, I think he's better than Henderson but is mocked about 40+ picks later. He's basically a James Cook clone.
 
I'm good with this move for depth but ideally Rodriquez doesn't see the field this year and I'm really hoping the Commanders upgrade the backfield in a major way this offseason. If Hampton or Jeanty fall to the bottom of the first, or if Henderson or Judkins are available when we select later in the draft, I think we should pull the trigger and get a stud to power the running game and maybe take some pressure off Daniels. So much incredible RB talent this year - hoping we at least select someone late if possible. Or if we could trade for Breece Hall without selling the farm, I'd support that too.
Dylan Sampson would be a fun fit there. Personally, I think he's better than Henderson but is mocked about 40+ picks later. He's basically a James Cook clone.

His size is a concern. Just saw an interview with one of those "anonymous scouts" and the guy asked if under 5'9" and 200 lbs. could take an NFL pounding between the tackles. He seemed to believe that Sampson wouldn't hold up.
 
I'm good with this move for depth but ideally Rodriquez doesn't see the field this year and I'm really hoping the Commanders upgrade the backfield in a major way this offseason. If Hampton or Jeanty fall to the bottom of the first, or if Henderson or Judkins are available when we select later in the draft, I think we should pull the trigger and get a stud to power the running game and maybe take some pressure off Daniels. So much incredible RB talent this year - hoping we at least select someone late if possible. Or if we could trade for Breece Hall without selling the farm, I'd support that too.
Dylan Sampson would be a fun fit there. Personally, I think he's better than Henderson but is mocked about 40+ picks later. He's basically a James Cook clone.

His size is a concern. Just saw an interview with one of those "anonymous scouts" and the guy asked if under 5'9" and 200 lbs. could take an NFL pounding between the tackles. He seemed to believe that Sampson wouldn't hold up.
I'd probably fire that scout if I were an owner. Those thoughts are archaic.

Just in the last 2 years we've had the breakouts of James Cook, Kyren Williams, Jahmyr Gibbs, De'Von Achane and Bucky Irving, all under 200 pounds, and Kyren, Gibbs, and Achane are all 5-9 or under. Going back only a little further, Austin Ekeler has carved out a very good career at 200 (and under that for much of his Chargers run) the great CMC is 205, the always good Aaron Jones is 208 (and 5-9) and even Tony Pollard has had moments of greatness at 209.

I'd be curious about that scout's thoughts on Treveyon Henderson who is only 2 pounds bigger than Sampson, and with a worse BMI. Personally, I think Sampson is arguably the better prospect. Sampson will also still be 20 years old on week 1. Good chance he adds a few more pounds.
 
I'm good with this move for depth but ideally Rodriquez doesn't see the field this year and I'm really hoping the Commanders upgrade the backfield in a major way this offseason. If Hampton or Jeanty fall to the bottom of the first, or if Henderson or Judkins are available when we select later in the draft, I think we should pull the trigger and get a stud to power the running game and maybe take some pressure off Daniels. So much incredible RB talent this year - hoping we at least select someone late if possible. Or if we could trade for Breece Hall without selling the farm, I'd support that too.
Dylan Sampson would be a fun fit there. Personally, I think he's better than Henderson but is mocked about 40+ picks later. He's basically a James Cook clone.
Thanks for the tip - I hadn't seen much of Sampson until today - Henderson jumps off the screen every time I watch him but Sampson looks like he has the juice too - I'll add him to the list! It only cements my belief that the Commanders need to draft an RB this year.
 
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Just in the last 2 years we've had the breakouts of James Cook, Kyren Williams, Jahmyr Gibbs, De'Von Achane and Bucky Irving, all under 200 pounds, and Kyren, Gibbs, and Achane are all 5-9 or under. Going back only a little further, Austin Ekeler has carved out a very good career at 200 (and under that for much of his Chargers run) the great CMC is 205, the always good Aaron Jones is 208 (and 5-9) and even Tony Pollard has had moments of greatness at 209.
Since you mentioned Ekeler, that's a guy I'm worried about. That concussion he had last year put him in the hospital and he missed multiple weeks, and I worry that he's one more concussion away from being unable to play (or worse). It's not Jordan Reed level of worry yet but close to it.
 
Just in the last 2 years we've had the breakouts of James Cook, Kyren Williams, Jahmyr Gibbs, De'Von Achane and Bucky Irving, all under 200 pounds, and Kyren, Gibbs, and Achane are all 5-9 or under. Going back only a little further, Austin Ekeler has carved out a very good career at 200 (and under that for much of his Chargers run) the great CMC is 205, the always good Aaron Jones is 208 (and 5-9) and even Tony Pollard has had moments of greatness at 209.
Since you mentioned Ekeler, that's a guy I'm worried about. That concussion he had last year put him in the hospital and he missed multiple weeks, and I worry that he's one more concussion away from being unable to play (or worse). It's not Jordan Reed level of worry yet but close to it.
I thought Ekeler looked pretty good when he played last year but I agree with your assessment and I hope he retires - brain injuries are no joke.
 
Javon Kinlaw 3/45 is a headscratcher. Kinlaw has been a huge bust so far and is a substantial downgrade from Jonathan Allen. I'd be shocked if he proved to be a better player than Jer'Zhan Newton.
 
In Peters I Trust. So far, so good. Willing to give this a chance. The culture and locker room have undergone a complete makeover. Bobby Wagner, Payne and the core of veterans, backed by Whitt and Campbell, is as good a place as any for a guy who's 'long on promise, short on delivery' thus far, to land, especially one scouted and selected, and in the 1st Round, by Peters. Sometimes a fresh start is just what a guy needs.

Cautiously optimistic.
 

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