***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

[fatness]

Teams like to have options in the NFL draft. They want to be able to trade down, pick up extra selections, and maintain confidence that they still can get a player that will help them. Nobody wants to have to reach to fill a need, and nobody wants to be forced to move up to ensure being able to patch up a hole.

The Washington Redskins, however, do not have the luxury of flexibility when it comes to this year’s draft, at least not at the top. They need to come out of the first round, or at the very least the second round, with a starting left offensive tackle. If they don’t fill the void left by Chris Samuels’ injury and subsequent retirement, it will be very difficult for them to implement Mike and Kyle Shanahan’s new offense.

Since the movie “The Blind Side” came out last year, even the most casual football fan knows the importance of the left tackle position. And for this audience, there certainly is no need to rehash the fact that the worst part of Vinny Cerrato’s legacy was that he utterly failed to do any succession planning along the offensive line. To an extent, you can get away with that in four of the five offensive line positions. If you need a right guard, for example, you can sign a guy like Artis Hicks and be set for a couple of years. That will give you enough time to draft a guard when the time and value are right and work him into the lineup.

Left tackle is different. It’s rare that one who even is competent is allowed to hit the open market. As we saw last year after Samuels went out in October, you can’t get by with an undrafted free agent (Stephon Heyer) or a veteran off of the scrap heap (Levi Jones) at that vital position. You are risking your quarterback’s health if you try to plug the hole with someone who is “just a guy”. After three and a half weeks of free agency, the Redskins have not improved at left tackle.

Rich Tandler

 

[fatness]

Remember Ryan O'Halloran who covered the Redskins for the Washington Times before the Times cut out their entire sports staff?

Here's his blog.

Here's CSNWashington's Redskin coverage page. It looks like Rich Tandler writes for them also.

 

[bulger2holt]

To Redskins:

LT Alex Barron + 2010 #1 overall

To Rams:

Redskins 2010 1st, 2nd and 3rd

 

[Peggy Starfish]

To Redskins:LT Alex Barron + 2010 #1 overallTo Rams:Redskins 2010 1st, 2nd and 3rd

Bradford.Edit- Wait, this is your proposed deal, right? This didn't actually happen?

 

[Stitch]

To Redskins:LT Alex Barron + 2010 #1 overallTo Rams:Redskins 2010 1st, 2nd and 3rd

Bradford.Edit- Wait, this is your proposed deal, right? This didn't actually happen?

This can't happen. The 'Skins don't have a 3rd round pick this year. Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft last year!

 

[bulger2holt]

To Redskins:LT Alex Barron + 2010 #1 overallTo Rams:Redskins 2010 1st, 2nd and 3rd

Bradford.Edit- Wait, this is your proposed deal, right? This didn't actually happen?

This can't happen. The 'Skins don't have a 3rd round pick this year. Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft last year!

My bad. It would have been a great deal for both teams. Barron is very underatted. He does commit a few false starts, but the dude can block.

 

[Cassius]

Not a WAS homer, but I don't get why they'd want to move up to #1 so badly.

 

[jbz]

To draft Bradford. It's all speculation

 

[dgreen]

To draft Bradford. It's all speculation

Exactly. Much of it is based on the idea that Snyder is still calling shots and wants the big name. Some of it is actually based on Bradford's talents and the Redskins needs. I don't see it happening. I think the asking price will be too high. I've heard the Rams could be looking for a similar deal to what the Chargers got for Eli Manning. The Redskins just can't afford to do that given how many holes they have.

 

[dgreen]

From JLC:

Is trade in the works between Ravens and Redskins?Don't be surprised if sometime before or shortly after the draft, the Ravens and Redskins start talking trade.Washington badly needs starting tackles (yes, plural), especially if the club starts zeroing in on a quarterback at the fourth overall pick. The Redskins regretted letting Maryland tackle Jared Gaither get away from them in the supplemental draft a few years back, when the Ravens plucked the starting left tackle in the fifth round. The Ravens will not give Gaither a contract extension this year, according to a league source, and he currently has a first-round tender.However, the Redskins' second-round pick (37th overall), is plenty close enough to the first round for the Ravens, according to sources, and if you throw in a fifth- or sixth-round pick as added incentive, that's a deal folks. Gaither is represented by Drew Rosenhaus, who has a very strong relationship with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. He could play left or right tackle, and would be a massive upgrade over anything on Washington's roster.The Ravens are hesitant to give Gaither a long-term deal because he isn't always ultra-competitive and he tends to get hurt. They like him as a person, but he inspires some hesitation as a player. If he stayed in Baltimore and had a heck of a season and eased some of those concerns, he would get rewarded, but I have a strong sense it won't come to that.Maybe a team such as Dallas parts with its late first-round pick for Gaither -- though it's not as likely -- but the Redskins make a lot of sense here for many reasons. Any team with a high second-round pick in need of tackle help (the Lions, certainly), would have potential, and the Ravens will be ready to wheel and deal if interest picks up closer to the draft, as I suspect it will.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

LINK

In this year's draft, could Sam Bradford be the new Eli Manning?

Despite the glowing reviews Monday out of Norman, Okla., site of Sam Bradford's eagerly-anticipated Pro Day, it's probably too early to rule the Redskins out of the hunt for the talented quarterback.

Bradford seemed to have solidified himself as the draft's top pick on Monday, but it's still not a lock that the St. Louis Rams will be the team that selects him.

We've been talking with sources around the league about the draft for several weeks and two things are clear: The Redskins are very high on Bradford, and they might have to get creative in order to get him.

i don't think we've even seen the tip of this iceberg yet. if this has any legs, things are going to go

 

[Hang 10]

I heard speculation that Bradford won't sign a pre-draft contract with the Rams. Sounds like he's interested in playing for the maroon and black!

 

[fatness]

Not a WAS homer, but I don't get why they'd want to move up to #1 so badly.

I don't think they want to. We're just used to years of stupid "I WANT I WANT I WANT!" moves on the part of our front office. Now we have a real front office but it'll take several years for all of us to get used to moves that actually make sense.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

To draft Bradford. It's all speculation

Exactly. Much of it is based on the idea that Snyder is still calling shots and wants the big name. Some of it is actually based on Bradford's talents and the Redskins needs. I don't see it happening. I think the asking price will be too high. I've heard the Rams could be looking for a similar deal to what the Chargers got for Eli Manning. The Redskins just can't afford to do that given how many holes they have.

Not a WAS homer, but I don't get why they'd want to move up to #1 so badly.

I don't think they want to. We're just used to years of stupid "I WANT I WANT I WANT!" moves on the part of our front office. Now we have a real front office but it'll take several years for all of us to get used to moves that actually make sense.

We need to remind ourselves, however, that while the impulsive Snyder has run the show and has pulled off these splashy deals, I don't get the impression that Allen and Shanny lack the cojones to pull off an equivalent deal if they think it's in the team's best interests to do so. I certainly trust their judgment more than I did Snyderrato. We're all learning what their style is and what their plan is for rebuilding this team. In truth, while I'm warming to Bradford, this team has so many more fundamental needs that I'm very leery of drafting him, even if they don't have to move up from 1.4 to do it. They need 2 starting OT's, and they have multiple needs at LB to play a 3-4. They lack a 3rd round pick. Digest all of that and tell me whether it's worth drafting Bradford and letting him or Campbell get killed (again) behind a sieve of an o-line.

 

[fatness]

Gaither, a restricted free agent, carries a tender that calls for first- and third-round picks for a team wanted to sign Gaither to an offer sheet. But the Ravens can choose to take less than that and LaCanfora believes that they might accept as little as a second-round pick for Gaither’s rights.

The Redskins hold the fifth pick of the second round. They also happen to be in desperate need of a quality left offensive tackle.

Gaither fills the bill. The Ravens tabbed him in the fifth round of the supplemental draft in 2007. In 2008 he was the starter at left tackle for a team that played for the AFC title. Last year he started 11 games at left tackle, missing two games with a neck injury and three more with an injured foot.

Despite the missed games, one has to think that the Redskins should seriously consider making a deal for Gaither if LaCanfora is right and the price is a second-round pick. They certainly will not find a better player than Gaither with the 37th overall pick.

The Redskins have taken a lot of heat for trading away high draft picks for aging veteran players and rightfully so. They would not be doing that if they dealt for Gaither. He just turned 24 this month. By comparison, another potential left tackle solution for the team, Russell Okung, will be 23 in September.

Rich Tandler

Still, you have to wonder if the Ravens know something about Gaither that nobody else knows—a long-term injury, an attitude problem—that makes them want to deal him now.

It’s also possible that Shanahan doesn’t think that Gaither would be a good fit in his zone blocking scheme. At 6-9, 330, Gaither is a classic power blocker. But Shanahan earned his reputation by molding his system to the talent available so perhaps he could make Gaither work in what the Redskins will do.

If a deal does take place it probably would have to happen before the April 22 draft. The Redskins need to know where they stand at left tackle before going into the draft plus it would be a good idea for them to at least discuss contract terms with Gaither’s agent before giving up a high draft pick.

There's no indication the Redskins and Ravens have actually talked about this, is there?

 

[fatness]

If Okung is gone and Bradford is gone by the time the Redskins' pick rolls around, there will be 1 or 2 of the 2 top defensive tackles available. Some teams will give an arm and a leg for those 2 players, so it's a perfect time to trade down, get a pick later in the 1st round for an OT, and pick up a 3rd round pick as well.

 

[dgreen]

If Okung is gone and Bradford is gone by the time the Redskins' pick rolls around, there will be 1 or 2 of the 2 top defensive tackles available. Some teams will give an arm and a leg for those 2 players, so it's a perfect time to trade down, get a pick later in the 1st round for an OT, and pick up a 3rd round pick as well.

There's also Eric Berry who a lot of teams will be interested in and who is visiting Redskins Park this week. No matter who goes in the top 3, I think the 4th pick will have some decent trade value.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

If Okung is gone and Bradford is gone by the time the Redskins' pick rolls around, there will be 1 or 2 of the 2 top defensive tackles available. Some teams will give an arm and a leg for those 2 players, so it's a perfect time to trade down, get a pick later in the 1st round for an OT, and pick up a 3rd round pick as well.

There's also Eric Berry who a lot of teams will be interested in and who is visiting Redskins Park this week. No matter who goes in the top 3, I think the 4th pick will have some decent trade value.

OTOH, the subsequently drafting teams know the 'Skins are not interested in DT's, and might under those circumstances be forced to draft one of the two or three OL's who likewise fit into the top 10 picks, or Clausen if they can't trade down. It all depends. I almost hope for a trade-down regardless, which would allow them to address the OL with multiple picks and still pick up a guy like Tebow or a LB.

 

[burgundy and gold]

If the team can get the 1 from the Rams without giving up this years 2 or any of our future early picks ( 1-4 ) then we need to do it and go get Bradford. Or if he falls to us that'd be even better. And make no mistake we do need to get Bradford because even though we all know the Skins are gonna be pretty bad next season, I certainly hope they're not gonna be picking in the top four again in next years draft. And it seems to me that that's the place a team is most likely to find it's QB of the future ( I could be wrong ).

That way we get our QB, take an o-lineman in the 2nd, and fill the depth chart with the remaining picks while peppering in a few more free agents to round things out for this season. Then we can use next seasons 1st rounder on an o-lineman. Of course that means J.Cam. and/or Grossman gets killed this season but does anybody really care about that. They'd just be warming up the seat for Bradford at that point, giving him time to mature and waiting on the calvary to arrive in next years draft and free-agent crop.

 

[dgreen]

If the team can get the 1 from the Rams without giving up this years 2 or any of our future early picks ( 1-4 ) then we need to do it and go get Bradford.

That's not going to happen. Eli Manning was traded for 1.04, a 3rd, and the following year's 1st. It's going to be a steep price that someone like Jason Campbell just can't make up for in trade value.To move up to 1.01, you pretty much have to give up two picks in round one. The draft value chart shows a 1200 point difference between 1.01 and 1.04. 1.12 is valued at 1200 points.

 

[buster c]

buster, you beat one drum - negativity - and you're right the way that a broken clock is right twice per day. Lucky for you, I guess, that the team has not been well run recently and has experienced hard times. I can't imagine what you'll do with yourself when the tide turns.

Buster needs someone to be against. Then he denounces them for years and says that's because he loves his team. The poor guy's stuck and keeps painting himself further into a corner.

actually, I did not post much to the Skins thread until after the Gibbs-II era, so all this talk about how I've 'been posting negativity for years' is nonsense. In fact, what little I did post during the Gibbs era seemed to be in his defense.

 

[buster c]

Did not realize Bradford was 6-5 236# - he looks more like 210#. Impressive.

So from what I'm reading, the plan is to trade JC & 1.4 to StL for 1.1. Bradford will sit and watch Wrecks GrossMan get jacked up all year, learn the system, and with a top 5 OT in 2011, be ready to assume the starting position for '11.

but I can't shake the image of him getting sacked in last year's TX game. Doesn't seem like such an ordinary hit should end ones season.

 

[jbz]

Did not realize Bradford was 6-5 236# - he looks more like 210#. Impressive.So from what I'm reading, the plan is to trade JC & 1.4 to StL for 1.1. Bradford will sit and watch Wrecks GrossMan get jacked up all year, learn the system, and with a top 5 OT in 2011, be ready to assume the starting position for '11.but I can't shake the image of him getting sacked in last year's TX game. Doesn't seem like such an ordinary hit should end ones season.

That hit hurt his already injured shoulder that he hurt during the BYU game.Also, there's no way JC will be enough in a trade to move up to 1.1. The Skins would have to throw in picks and/or players as well.

 

[Sebowski]

If Okung is gone and Bradford is gone by the time the Redskins' pick rolls around, there will be 1 or 2 of the 2 top defensive tackles available. Some teams will give an arm and a leg for those 2 players, so it's a perfect time to trade down, get a pick later in the 1st round for an OT, and pick up a 3rd round pick as well.

There's also Eric Berry who a lot of teams will be interested in and who is visiting Redskins Park this week. No matter who goes in the top 3, I think the 4th pick will have some decent trade value.

OTOH, the subsequently drafting teams know the 'Skins are not interested in DT's, and might under those circumstances be forced to draft one of the two or three OL's who likewise fit into the top 10 picks, or Clausen if they can't trade down. It all depends. I almost hope for a trade-down regardless, which would allow them to address the OL with multiple picks and still pick up a guy like Tebow or a LB.

I disagree. Teams will need the 4th pick regardless if the Skins want a DT or not. They will want to leap ahead of any other possible suitors as soon as they can. The Chiefs right behind us would be an easier target, but it would be safer to move up to 4.ETA: Dear god please no Tebow. The guy can not play QB. He has the best PR in the world. His college resume isn;t as great as it is being made out to be. Colt McCoy's is better and he actually threw the ball instead of running dives and jump passes his whole carreer. So what if he is committed. Most of these guys are. Colt Brennan is. Brennan showed much more NFL promise in college than Tebow did. I have no idea why people are saying this guy can do it just because he is great in an interview.

 

[buster c]

Did not realize Bradford was 6-5 236# - he looks more like 210#. Impressive.

So from what I'm reading, the plan is to trade JC & 1.4 to StL for 1.1. Bradford will sit and watch Wrecks GrossMan get jacked up all year, learn the system, and with a top 5 OT in 2011, be ready to assume the starting position for '11.

but I can't shake the image of him getting sacked in last year's TX game. Doesn't seem like such an ordinary hit should end ones season.

That hit hurt his already injured shoulder that he hurt during the BYU game.Also, there's no way JC will be enough in a trade to move up to 1.1. The Skins would have to throw in picks and/or players as well.

JC & the 1.4

 

[Dexter Manley]

Did not realize Bradford was 6-5 236# - he looks more like 210#. Impressive.

So from what I'm reading, the plan is to trade JC & 1.4 to StL for 1.1. Bradford will sit and watch Wrecks GrossMan get jacked up all year, learn the system, and with a top 5 OT in 2011, be ready to assume the starting position for '11.

but I can't shake the image of him getting sacked in last year's TX game. Doesn't seem like such an ordinary hit should end ones season.

That hit hurt his already injured shoulder that he hurt during the BYU game.Also, there's no way JC will be enough in a trade to move up to 1.1. The Skins would have to throw in picks and/or players as well.

JC & the 1.4

And the 2011 1st round pick. That's the minimum it will take to make this trade happen.

 

[dgreen]

Did not realize Bradford was 6-5 236# - he looks more like 210#. Impressive.

So from what I'm reading, the plan is to trade JC & 1.4 to StL for 1.1. Bradford will sit and watch Wrecks GrossMan get jacked up all year, learn the system, and with a top 5 OT in 2011, be ready to assume the starting position for '11.

but I can't shake the image of him getting sacked in last year's TX game. Doesn't seem like such an ordinary hit should end ones season.

That hit hurt his already injured shoulder that he hurt during the BYU game.Also, there's no way JC will be enough in a trade to move up to 1.1. The Skins would have to throw in picks and/or players as well.

JC & the 1.4

And the 2011 1st round pick. That's the minimum it will take to make this trade happen.

Exactly. To say JC is enough to move up to 1.01 is basically equating JC with a mid-first round pick this year. He probably doesn't have any more than mid-second round value, which means quite a bit more will need to be added.I don't see it happening.

 

[jbz]

Did not realize Bradford was 6-5 236# - he looks more like 210#. Impressive.

So from what I'm reading, the plan is to trade JC & 1.4 to StL for 1.1. Bradford will sit and watch Wrecks GrossMan get jacked up all year, learn the system, and with a top 5 OT in 2011, be ready to assume the starting position for '11.

but I can't shake the image of him getting sacked in last year's TX game. Doesn't seem like such an ordinary hit should end ones season.

That hit hurt his already injured shoulder that he hurt during the BYU game.Also, there's no way JC will be enough in a trade to move up to 1.1. The Skins would have to throw in picks and/or players as well.

JC & the 1.4

lol, i know the 1.4 would be included. like i said there's no way JC is enough WITH the 1.4 to move up to 1.1. It would have to involve at least Carlos Rogers and early picks next year most likely or something in that ballpark IMO

 

[Johnny Ice]

Did not realize Bradford was 6-5 236# - he looks more like 210#. Impressive.

So from what I'm reading, the plan is to trade JC & 1.4 to StL for 1.1. Bradford will sit and watch Wrecks GrossMan get jacked up all year, learn the system, and with a top 5 OT in 2011, be ready to assume the starting position for '11.

but I can't shake the image of him getting sacked in last year's TX game. Doesn't seem like such an ordinary hit should end ones season.

That hit hurt his already injured shoulder that he hurt during the BYU game.Also, there's no way JC will be enough in a trade to move up to 1.1. The Skins would have to throw in picks and/or players as well.

JC & the 1.4

lol, i know the 1.4 would be included. like i said there's no way JC is enough WITH the 1.4 to move up to 1.1. It would have to involve at least Carlos Rogers and early picks next year most likely or something in that ballpark IMO

Exactly, the Rams GM said as much on Sirus Radio. He said the Skins didn't have "enough firepower" when asked by Gil Brandt could a deal be in the works with the Skins.

 

[fatness]

but I can't shake the image of him getting sacked in last year's TX game.

That should prepare him for the Redskins' offensive line.

 

[fatness]

Exactly, the Rams GM said as much on Sirus Radio. He said the Skins didn't have "enough firepower" when asked by Gil Brandt could a deal be in the works with the Skins.

Good. It would be really dumb to move up and draft a twice-injured QB.

 

[fatness]

There are rumors around that Marion Barber is available. And I'll admit I have no idea what it would take to get him. But RB's seem to come cheaper than other positions.

 

[fatness]

I disagree. Teams will need the 4th pick regardless if the Skins want a DT or not. They will want to leap ahead of any other possible suitors as soon as they can. The Chiefs right behind us would be an easier target, but it would be safer to move up to 4.ETA: Dear god please no Tebow. The guy can not play QB.

I agree with you on both parts of this. That 4th pick has real value to someone besides the Skins, and the first year in the NFL is no time to be learning how to play QB.

 

[Hang 10]

If Okung is gone and Bradford is gone by the time the Redskins' pick rolls around, there will be 1 or 2 of the 2 top defensive tackles available. Some teams will give an arm and a leg for those 2 players, so it's a perfect time to trade down, get a pick later in the 1st round for an OT, and pick up a 3rd round pick as well.

There's also Eric Berry who a lot of teams will be interested in and who is visiting Redskins Park this week. No matter who goes in the top 3, I think the 4th pick will have some decent trade value.

OTOH, the subsequently drafting teams know the 'Skins are not interested in DT's, and might under those circumstances be forced to draft one of the two or three OL's who likewise fit into the top 10 picks, or Clausen if they can't trade down. It all depends. I almost hope for a trade-down regardless, which would allow them to address the OL with multiple picks and still pick up a guy like Tebow or a LB.

I disagree. Teams will need the 4th pick regardless if the Skins want a DT or not. They will want to leap ahead of any other possible suitors as soon as they can. The Chiefs right behind us would be an easier target, but it would be safer to move up to 4.ETA: Dear god please no Tebow. The guy can not play QB. He has the best PR in the world. His college resume isn;t as great as it is being made out to be. Colt McCoy's is better and he actually threw the ball instead of running dives and jump passes his whole carreer. So what if he is committed. Most of these guys are. Colt Brennan is. Brennan showed much more NFL promise in college than Tebow did. I have no idea why people are saying this guy can do it just because he is great in an interview.

You lost me at the bolded.

 

[fatness]

Berry visiting Redskins

Interviewing and working out players that the teams above you and immediately below you may draft seems like very, very good strategy to me. Besides the usual benefit of gathering information on the player, it puts pressure on other teams in the draft.

 

[Peggy Starfish]

Berry visiting Redskins

Interviewing and working out players that the teams above you and immediately below you may draft seems like very, very good strategy to me. Besides the usual benefit of gathering information on the player, it puts pressure on other teams in the draft.

This Redskins regime has no track record yet, so people can plausibly think that they could adopt a straight BPA approach and draft Berry if, for example, Bradford and Okung are off the board. Mind you, that might actually happen and then be followed by a trade, which has occurred with top 5 draft picks in the past, e.g. Eli Manning.

 

[fatness]

Eschew the quarterback in the first round, I say! Eschew it! Sam Bradford has injury issues. Jimmy Clausen is recommended by Vinny Cerrato. Tim Tebow is not a first-round pick. And this team has more needs than a kid at Christmas. Go on, tell me I'm wrong.

Tracee Hamilton's live chat today.

Q. How can we get Ted Leonisis to buy the Skins?

 

[burgundy and gold]

Personally I'm not gonna be upset if we take Berry or Suh, as long as an o-lineman is selected with the 2. I mean c'mon, that 2 is practically a 1 (2.04!). I think that devoting one of the top two picks to either the O or D line each year will solve alot of problems over time. Besides, The Berry addition could make a man out of that secondary.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Does everyone here hate Clausen? What's his deal. They're offense (ND) was pretty good with him last year. He seems to have had very good grooming and now seems to have Theismanns blessing.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Eschew the quarterback in the first round, I say! Eschew it! Sam Bradford has injury issues. Jimmy Clausen is recommended by Vinny Cerrato. Tim Tebow is not a first-round pick. And this team has more needs than a kid at Christmas. Go on, tell me I'm wrong.

In today's piece by Thomas Boswell:

Should the Redskins stay at No. 4 and follow the advice, touted on national radio this week by deposed General Manager Vinny Cerrato, to draft Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen? Shudder. Talk about the kiss of death. His defense sabotaged his stats in a 6-6 season. His coach got canned. Now he gets sapped by Vinny.

If Clausen's agent knew what was good for him he'd tell Vinny to shut up.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Does everyone here hate Clausen? What's his deal. They're offense (ND) was pretty good with him last year. He seems to have had very good grooming and now seems to have Theismanns blessing.

Well then, he must be worth a 1.04.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Does everyone here hate Clausen? What's his deal. They're offense (ND) was pretty good with him last year. He seems to have had very good grooming and now seems to have Theismanns blessing.

I'd have no problem taking Clausen at 2.05. Taking him at 1.04 is a HUGE reach, imo.He's got less accuracy, arm strength, and leadership ability than Bradford. Also, last I heard he's still not 100% from his toe injury last year. And of course he's coming out after only 3 years in school, which qb's don't have a great track record of success doing.Finally, I see Theisman's (and Vinnie C's) endorsement of him as more of a negative than a positive.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Eschew the quarterback in the first round, I say! Eschew it! Sam Bradford has injury issues. Jimmy Clausen is recommended by Vinny Cerrato. Tim Tebow is not a first-round pick. And this team has more needs than a kid at Christmas. Go on, tell me I'm wrong.

In today's piece by Thomas Boswell:

Should the Redskins stay at No. 4 and follow the advice, touted on national radio this week by deposed General Manager Vinny Cerrato, to draft Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen? Shudder. Talk about the kiss of death. His defense sabotaged his stats in a 6-6 season. His coach got canned. Now he gets sapped by Vinny.

If Clausen's agent knew what was good for him he'd tell Vinny to shut up.

 

[jbz]

Does everyone here hate Clausen? What's his deal. They're offense (ND) was pretty good with him last year. He seems to have had very good grooming and now seems to have Theismanns blessing.

I'd have no problem taking Clausen at 2.05. Taking him at 1.04 is a HUGE reach, imo.He's got less accuracy, arm strength, and leadership ability than Bradford. Also, last I heard he's still not 100% from his toe injury last year. And of course he's coming out after only 3 years in school, which qb's don't have a great track record of success doing.Finally, I see Theisman's (and Vinnie C's) endorsement of him as more of a negative than a positive.

I don't put much stock into "only" 3 years of college. He started all 3 under a NFL offensive coordinator. He showed improvement every year and also showed he can play under duress. Bradford has played 3 years of college technically (hurt most of 3rd) and got a lot more protection then Clausen did up until last year.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Personally I'm not gonna be upset if we take...

Not to pick on b&g because I see this all around, but I think fans are getting a little crazy with the "If they take player X I'm going to be upset", or "Player Y is their best bet to turn everything around" when it comes to how to use the 1.04. The simple fact of the matter is that the 1.04 is just a small step along the long journey this team is on. The more I think about it, the more I think they can't really screw this pick up. Whoever they pick, from any position, is going to be uber-talented and will have tremendous potential to be a core player for years to come. The roster is so thin and/or chock full of holes that just adding any one of the top collegiate talents will be a step in the right direction.Snyderatto no longer have the keys to the car. Knowledgeable, fully capable, experienced NFL men are making the decisions now. I say, sit back, relax and enjoy watching professionals do their job. The future of the Redskins franchise will not be damned based on who is or isn't selected with the 1.04.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Personally I'm not gonna be upset if we take...

Not to pick on b&g because I see this all around, but I think fans are getting a little crazy with the "If they take player X I'm going to be upset", or "Player Y is their best bet to turn everything around" when it comes to how to use the 1.04. The simple fact of the matter is that the 1.04 is just a small step along the long journey this team is on. The more I think about it, the more I think they can't really screw this pick up. Whoever they pick, from any position, is going to be uber-talented and will have tremendous potential to be a core player for years to come. The roster is so thin and/or chock full of holes that just adding any one of the top collegiate talents will be a step in the right direction.Snyderatto no longer have the keys to the car. Knowledgeable, fully capable, experienced NFL men are making the decisions now. I say, sit back, relax and enjoy watching professionals do their job. The future of the Redskins franchise will not be damned based on who is or isn't selected with the 1.04.

Personally I'm not gonna be upset if we take ...I think you just expanded on my point.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Does everyone here hate Clausen? What's his deal. They're offense (ND) was pretty good with him last year. He seems to have had very good grooming and now seems to have Theismanns blessing.

I'd have no problem taking Clausen at 2.05. Taking him at 1.04 is a HUGE reach, imo.He's got less accuracy, arm strength, and leadership ability than Bradford. Also, last I heard he's still not 100% from his toe injury last year. And of course he's coming out after only 3 years in school, which qb's don't have a great track record of success doing.

Finally, I see Theisman's (and Vinnie C's) endorsement of him as more of a negative than a positive.

I don't put much stock into "only" 3 years of college. He started all 3 under a NFL offensive coordinator. He showed improvement every year and also showed he can play under duress. Bradford has played 3 years of college technically (hurt most of 3rd) and got a lot more protection then Clausen did up until last year.

There is the possibility that Bradford, Okung and, Suh are gone by the time that the Skins pick. In which case I would probably be thinking Clausen/Berry. Take a look at this Clausen promo.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Personally I'm not gonna be upset if we take...

Not to pick on b&g because I see this all around, but I think fans are getting a little crazy with the "If they take player X I'm going to be upset", or "Player Y is their best bet to turn everything around" when it comes to how to use the 1.04. The simple fact of the matter is that the 1.04 is just a small step along the long journey this team is on. The more I think about it, the more I think they can't really screw this pick up. Whoever they pick, from any position, is going to be uber-talented and will have tremendous potential to be a core player for years to come. The roster is so thin and/or chock full of holes that just adding any one of the top collegiate talents will be a step in the right direction.Snyderatto no longer have the keys to the car. Knowledgeable, fully capable, experienced NFL men are making the decisions now. I say, sit back, relax and enjoy watching professionals do their job. The future of the Redskins franchise will not be damned based on who is or isn't selected with the 1.04.

Personally I'm not gonna be upset if we take ...I think you just expanded on my point.

My reading comprehension must be way down today.

 

[burgundy and gold]

Read this and tell me that the logic behind the Rams drafting Bradford doesn't hold twice over when applied to the Skins taking him if he falls to them at the 4.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Does everyone here hate Clausen? What's his deal. They're offense (ND) was pretty good with him last year. He seems to have had very good grooming and now seems to have Theismanns blessing.

My $.02...Clausen would be a great pick IF he were taken later in the first round. Unfortunately, we find ourselves at the 4 spot and most are terrified that the 'Skins will reach and take Clausen there. So, it's not hate for him, but more for taking him at our current draft spot.