***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

[fatness]

"Holding on Wang."

 

[Hang 10]

Defense

DE - Daniels

NT - Haynesworth

DE - Carriker

OLB - Carter

OLB - Orakpo

ILB - Fletcher

ILB - McIntosh

CB - Hall

CB - Rogers

S - Landry

S - Horton/Doughty

Playing out of position; won't go well.

I'm gonna call on Orakpo playing out of position as well. He's perfectly suited for a 3-4 OLB.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Defense

DE - Daniels

NT - Haynesworth

DE - Carriker

OLB - Carter

OLB - Orakpo

ILB - Fletcher

ILB - McIntosh

CB - Hall

CB - Rogers

S - Landry

S - Horton/Doughty

Playing out of position; won't go well.

I'm gonna call on Orakpo playing out of position as well. He's perfectly suited for a 3-4 OLB.

Agreed It wouldn't surprise me if Orakpo was one of the primary reasons they changed to the 3-4.

 

[fatness]

With three other linebackers, he won’t be called upon to drop back in pass coverage often. In Haslett’s 3-4, Orakpo could well have a string of seasons with double-digit sacks and Pro Bowl invitations as far as the eye can see.

Rich Tandler, last monthIn other words Orakpo is still a liability in pass coverage, but if the other 3 LB's can all cover then they can probably protect him from that. With Carter as one of the LB's, they can't.

 

[Hang 10]

With three other linebackers, he won’t be called upon to drop back in pass coverage often. In Haslett’s 3-4, Orakpo could well have a string of seasons with double-digit sacks and Pro Bowl invitations as far as the eye can see.

Rich Tandler, last monthIn other words Orakpo is still a liability in pass coverage, but if the other 3 LB's can all cover then they can probably protect him from that. With Carter as one of the LB's, they can't.

Are you aware how the 3-4 works? Orakpo isn't a good fit at OLB in 4-3 but he's perfect as a OLB in the 3-4. Like someone else already mentioned...think Ware, Suggs, etc.

 

[fatness]

Are you aware of anyone who said he was good when he was in pass coverage? Or average? I don't mind learning something and being wrong; I've been wrong before. But saying he's like Demarcus Ware or dissecting how a 3-4 is supposed to work doesn't say anything about Orakpo's ability in particular.

 

[Hang 10]

Are you aware of anyone who said he was good when he was in pass coverage? Or average? I don't mind learning something and being wrong; I've been wrong before. But saying he's like Demarcus Ware or dissecting how a 3-4 is supposed to work doesn't say anything about Orakpo's ability in particular.

The point IS...he doesn't have to be good in pass coverage. That's not what he's going to be asked to do. And it's not because he's so awful in coverage with no chance of getting better, it's because he's GREAT at getting to the QB.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Are you aware of anyone who said he was good when he was in pass coverage? Or average? I don't mind learning something and being wrong; I've been wrong before. But saying he's like Demarcus Ware or dissecting how a 3-4 is supposed to work doesn't say anything about Orakpo's ability in particular.

The point IS...he doesn't have to be good in pass coverage. That's not what he's going to be asked to do. And it's not because he's so awful in coverage with no chance of getting better, it's because he's GREAT at getting to the QB.

This. 3-4 OLBs like Ware, Merriman and soon to be Orakpo aren't your "typical" LB. They are basically DEs who don't play with their hand down. Ware, Merriman and Orakpo don't really have to be any better in coverage than Freeney or Peppers have to be.

 

[TankRizzo]

Are you aware of anyone who said he was good when he was in pass coverage? Or average? I don't mind learning something and being wrong; I've been wrong before. But saying he's like Demarcus Ware or dissecting how a 3-4 is supposed to work doesn't say anything about Orakpo's ability in particular.

The point IS...he doesn't have to be good in pass coverage. That's not what he's going to be asked to do. And it's not because he's so awful in coverage with no chance of getting better, it's because he's GREAT at getting to the QB.

This. 3-4 OLBs like Ware, Merriman and soon to be Orakpo aren't your "typical" LB. They are basically DEs who don't play with their hand down. Ware, Merriman and Orakpo don't really have to be any better in coverage than Freeney or Peppers have to be.

I was always disappointed that Lavar never got to play in the 3-4 in the NFL. That's one of the many reasons I was excited for Marty.

 

[Sebowski]

Are you aware of anyone who said he was good when he was in pass coverage? Or average? I don't mind learning something and being wrong; I've been wrong before. But saying he's like Demarcus Ware or dissecting how a 3-4 is supposed to work doesn't say anything about Orakpo's ability in particular.

The point IS...he doesn't have to be good in pass coverage. That's not what he's going to be asked to do. And it's not because he's so awful in coverage with no chance of getting better, it's because he's GREAT at getting to the QB.

This. 3-4 OLBs like Ware, Merriman and soon to be Orakpo aren't your "typical" LB. They are basically DEs who don't play with their hand down. Ware, Merriman and Orakpo don't really have to be any better in coverage than Freeney or Peppers have to be.

IF, like fatness said, the other LBs can all cover. They can't. Carter is probably worse at it than Orakpo which means Orakpo will have to do his share of covering when carter rushes the QB, which will be a lot.

 

[dgreen]

Are you aware of anyone who said he was good when he was in pass coverage? Or average? I don't mind learning something and being wrong; I've been wrong before. But saying he's like Demarcus Ware or dissecting how a 3-4 is supposed to work doesn't say anything about Orakpo's ability in particular.

The point IS...he doesn't have to be good in pass coverage. That's not what he's going to be asked to do. And it's not because he's so awful in coverage with no chance of getting better, it's because he's GREAT at getting to the QB.

This. 3-4 OLBs like Ware, Merriman and soon to be Orakpo aren't your "typical" LB. They are basically DEs who don't play with their hand down. Ware, Merriman and Orakpo don't really have to be any better in coverage than Freeney or Peppers have to be.

IF, like fatness said, the other LBs can all cover. They can't. Carter is probably worse at it than Orakpo which means Orakpo will have to do his share of covering when carter rushes the QB, which will be a lot.

As long as they keep him out of man coverage, Orakpo can probably do OK.Also, keep in mind that they aren't going to play a 3-4 on every down. This is a league that uses a lot of 3, 4, and 5 WR sets. Both Carter and Orakpo will also see plenty of time at DE on a 4-man line.One more thing, Carter may not be here in September. The roster isn't totally set yet. I agree, as it stands now, there are some mismatches to be exploited. I'm sure the coaches know that too and the organization is working to fix that.

 

[southeastjerome]

So I guess Shanahan just said on NFL Network that trading Haynesworth is "not going to happen". So it does not appear we'll get to see a pick today. He's on ESPN right now..

 

[fatness]

As long as they keep him out of man coverage, Orakpo can probably do OK.Also, keep in mind that they aren't going to play a 3-4 on every down. This is a league that uses a lot of 3, 4, and 5 WR sets. Both Carter and Orakpo will also see plenty of time at DE on a 4-man line.One more thing, Carter may not be here in September. The roster isn't totally set yet. I agree, as it stands now, there are some mismatches to be exploited. I'm sure the coaches know that too and the organization is working to fix that.

OK, but let's go back to what I was saying. You posted what our current starting lineup would probably look like, and I don't have any disagreement with that lineup. I'm saying that with Orakpo and Carter on the field as OLB's, at least one of them is out of position because they'll be forced into pass coverage to an extent that'll hurt defensive play. Neither one of them is good at it.

 

[fatness]

From John Keim's twitter

OL coach Foerster says team wants to kp Hicks at RT and not move him around. Hope he develops into gd strtr.

link

 

[Sidewinder16]

So far, McNabb for Nate Allen.

I'm liking the 'Skins end of the deal even more now.

 

[fatness]

Begging for Vegetables

Last season, the offensive line was pitiful. The Redskins went into the season banking on Stephon Heyer, “Big” Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges and none of them were any good. Ask Campbell, running back Clinton Portis or any other skill player on the offensive side of the ball just how bad the offensive line was last year.

Campbell, who was sacked 43 times, told us at one point last season that he rarely had time to look past his first read. Basically, in his mind, if his primary target wasn’t open, then the play was dead in the water.

Trying to run behind that porous offensive line also ended Portis’ season prematurely, when he got K.O.ed against the Atlanta Falcons midway through the season. And once Portis went down, so did any hope of a running game (the Redskins running attack finished 27th in the league last year). We could go on, but honestly, it’s too depressing.

Here we are a year later and not much has changed on the offensive line. Sure, Artis Hicks was signed to compete for a starting job, but Heyer and Williams were still in the starting rotation during the team’s minicamp last weekend.

So when the Redskins selected Oklahoma tackle Trent Williams with the fourth pick in the 2010 NFL draft, it truly was a groundbreaking moment. When else has an entire fanbase overwhelmingly rooted for an offensive lineman to be their team’s top selection? Seriously, has it ever happened before in NFL history?

Fans get vocal about quarterbacks or running backs all time, but never for an offensive lineman. It’s roughly akin to a kid eating cake and ice cream for dinner every night for years on end until eventually growing tired and begging his parents for some vegetables.

 

[Marvelous]

So I guess Shanahan just said on NFL Network that trading Haynesworth is "not going to happen". So it does not appear we'll get to see a pick today. He's on ESPN right now..

I am still hoping that Haynesworth shows up at the first mandatory activity in great shape and Shanahan and Haynesworth can then find a way to get along.This is Marvelous' version of off-season optimism.

 

[dgreen]

As long as they keep him out of man coverage, Orakpo can probably do OK.Also, keep in mind that they aren't going to play a 3-4 on every down. This is a league that uses a lot of 3, 4, and 5 WR sets. Both Carter and Orakpo will also see plenty of time at DE on a 4-man line.One more thing, Carter may not be here in September. The roster isn't totally set yet. I agree, as it stands now, there are some mismatches to be exploited. I'm sure the coaches know that too and the organization is working to fix that.

OK, but let's go back to what I was saying. You posted what our current starting lineup would probably look like, and I don't have any disagreement with that lineup. I'm saying that with Orakpo and Carter on the field as OLB's, at least one of them is out of position because they'll be forced into pass coverage to an extent that'll hurt defensive play. Neither one of them is good at it.

Well, I guess if you want to go and put all of this into context...

 

[thayman]

nervousseems like a reach23 reps? I can do that with 1 arm!bust potential here = 50%

keep in mind that in all likelihood the Skins will probably be drafting in the top 10 again next year. As long as Williams can be a successfull RT, C or G he should be a pretty solid pick.

 

[Marvelous]

nervousseems like a reach23 reps? I can do that with 1 arm!bust potential here = 50%

keep in mind that in all likelihood the Skins will probably be drafting in the top 10 again next year. As long as Williams can be a successfull RT, C or G he should be a pretty solid pick.

I saw that Bruce Campbell is still on the board. Anyone think the Redskins will go for him at 4.05? He's an OT and can run fast.

 

[fatness]

Well, I guess if you want to go and put all of this into context...

Sorry, that was unfair of me. Won't happen again.

 

[fatness]

So I guess Shanahan just said on NFL Network that trading Haynesworth is "not going to happen". So it does not appear we'll get to see a pick today. He's on ESPN right now..

I am still hoping that Haynesworth shows up at the first mandatory activity in great shape and Shanahan and Haynesworth can then find a way to get along.This is Marvelous' version of off-season optimism.

I think there's an excellent chance that he'll show up for mandatories in great shape. What happens after that will show a lot about how talented the coaching staff is (in trying to get the best out of him).

 

[fatness]

I saw that Bruce Campbell is still on the board. Anyone think the Redskins will go for him at 4.05? He's an OT and can run fast.

Unless there's some sort of hidden flaw with him that they know about, that sounds like a very good idea. He was supposed to go much higher than that.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Uhhhh guys, prepare yourselves to welcome Alan Faneca.

 

[thayman]

Uhhhh guys, prepare yourselves to welcome Alan Faneca.

I wouldn't mind that at all. He is definitly an upgrade over anyone we currently have on the roster.

 

[thayman]

I saw that Bruce Campbell is still on the board. Anyone think the Redskins will go for him at 4.05? He's an OT and can run fast.

Unless there's some sort of hidden flaw with him that they know about, that sounds like a very good idea. He was supposed to go much higher than that.

That would be a solid fourth round pick.

 

[jbz]

Faneca is horrible at this point. More of a name. It means something when a team cuts him like this with no benefit or reason to.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

nervousseems like a reach23 reps? I can do that with 1 arm!bust potential here = 50%

keep in mind that in all likelihood the Skins will probably be drafting in the top 10 again next year. As long as Williams can be a successfull RT, C or G he should be a pretty solid pick.

I wouldn't assume that. They lost some close games early on and this team can play defense. You have a Hall of Fame coach replacing Jim Zorn and a good QB replacing a bum. I don't know what the ceiling will be for this team but I'd be surprised if Washington is in the bottom 1/3 of the NFL.

 

[Sebowski]

Faneca is horrible at this point. More of a name. It means something when a team cuts him like this with no benefit or reason to.

I can think of 7.5 million reasons the Jets thought they could do without him.

 

[fatness]

Faneca is horrible at this point. More of a name. It means something when a team cuts him like this with no benefit or reason to.

From everything I've read Faneca has turned into a turnstile. And he doesn't look too good Here

 

[fatness]

I saw that Bruce Campbell is still on the board. Anyone think the Redskins will go for him at 4.05? He's an OT and can run fast.

Unless there's some sort of hidden flaw with him that they know about, that sounds like a very good idea. He was supposed to go much higher than that.

On the other hand, wasn't Campbell a guy that nobody at all had an eye on until he posted some great numbers at the combine? Combine numbers don't mean someone can play football.

 

[fatness]

Offensive ratings for Redskins last year. It may surprise you.

Defensive ratings as well.

 

[southeastjerome]

I really think CB and LB are bigger need imo, but I wouldn't be upset with a Campbell pick. I think signing Flozell, sticking him at RT so he'll hear the snap count (he is partially deaf in his right ear) and then moving Hicks to G. I wouldn't mind seeing Matt Tennant the C from BC, Ricky Sapp to play OLB, or one of the big WR's Marcus Easley or Carlton Mitchell. If they do go WR it will be telling what they think of Thomas/Kelly.

 

[fatness]

Well you're right about needing LB's since right now they're just plugging defensive linemen in as linebackers --- Wilson, Carter, Orakpo (if you count him as a DE) --- without regard to whether they can play there or not. But I still think the O-line needs much more help and is the crying need. Rabach and Mike Williams are way below average and Hicks right now is just a name penciled in at a position.

Good lord our roster was weak last year.

 

[DCThunder]

4th rounder---Perry Riley--OLB from LSU.

 

[(HULK)]

From NFL.com:

Perry Riley (LB)

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Height:

6'1"

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Weight:

239 lbs.

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Arm Length:

32 1/2 in.

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Hand Size:

9 1/2 in.

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College:

LSU

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Conference:

SEC

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Featured Prospects

Selected by: Washington Redskins

Round: 4

Pick (Overall): 5 (103)

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OVERVIEW

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ANALYSIS

Overview

Riley has been a productive linebacker for LSU over the past two seasons. He has adequate size and athleticism for the position with better straight-line speed than change-of-direction and burst in space. Leverages the ball well with good run fits inside-out to the pile. He is a solid open-field tackler, keeping proper body positioning as well as wrapping up on contact. He has a feel for reading route progressions but lacks the agility and quickness to be effective in man coverage. Riley is a good football player with the size, strength and athleticism to develop at the next level, but he likely will only contribute on special teams in his rookie season.

Strengths

Riley is strongly built with enough height and good speed. Follows the ball carrier well and rarely over-pursues. Solid form tackler who wraps on contact. Has good instincts and can anticipate route progressions when dropping in pass coverage. Very productive and durable in the SEC.

Weaknesses

Lacks good lateral agility and burst which prevents him from being a true sideline-to-sideline player. Loses speed when he changes direction and struggles to keep up with receivers in man coverage. Does not display good ball skills due to a lack of body control and overall agility.

Grade

4.7

 

[(HULK)]

Thats kind of a ####ty grade. Trent Williams was graded a 8.6. Other 4th round picks are grading out in the 7s still. Eric Norwood graded a 7.3 and was still on the board... maybe they didn't think he fit, or graded on different criteria?

I guess they want him to blitz only from OLB?

 

[(HULK)]

I wish they'd taken Bruce Campbell... kid just needs to be coached up imo

 

[southeastjerome]

I wish they'd taken Bruce Campbell... kid just needs to be coached up imo

And then move Trent Williams to RT? I don't think Campbell can play RT. I would have liked to see them take the center Matt Tennant from BC.

 

[fatness]

Campbell is a left tackle, and they just made Thomas the starting left tackle (even though he played mostly right tackle). So taking Campbell might have made 2 draft picks fighting for one position.

Perry Riley

Rated number 14 out of 182 OLB's

08/22/09 - 2009 PRESEASON BUTKUS AWARD WATCH LIST: Perry Riley, LSU, has been selected one of 35 players nominated for the 2009 Butkus Award, which goes to college's footballs's top linebacker.

Think his shoulder might have been hurt at the combine since it looks like he didn't do the bench press? I don't think this is him.

 

[fatness]

Riley, 6-foot-1, 239 pounds, was a weak-side linebacker for the Tigers but has been projected by many to play as an inside linebacker in the NFL. He started 22 college games and played a role in 185 tackles with two sacks and also made two interceptions. He registered 13 stops for loss.

Riley was a four-year player for LSU, and as a junior, he was a finalist for the Butkus Award and was the team's defensive MVP in the Chik-fil-A Bowl At the NFL Scouting Combine in February in Indianapolis, Riley ran a 4.69 in the 40-yard dash and had a 35 1/2-inch vertical jump.

He played his freshman season on the same Tigers defense as Redskins safety LaRon Landry. Riley also played on special teams for all four of his years at LSU.

His addition could provide added competition at the linebacker slot. London Fletcher, Rocky McIntosh and H.B. Blades could all find themselves playing inside. Riley said talent evaluators told him that he might be a better fit as an inside linebacker in the NFL, but "I can play either one," he said.

Rick Maese

 

[fatness]

How will this 4th rounder go? FS, OL, NT? Of interest and likely to be available...

1) FS - Major Wright, Florida : Robert Johnson, Utah

2) OL - Ed Wang, VT (move to RT) : Zane Beadles, BYU (RG) : Marshall Newhouse, TCU (RG) : Mitch Petrus, Ark (move to RG)

3) NT: Ekom Udofia, Stanford

My pick would be Wang if he's there. The OL lacks depth and the right side is still weak. Wang's quickness fits well in a zone blocking scheme.

Udofia may be available when they pick in Round 5. Round 4 is probably too early. Udofia might be a need pick if Haynesworth does get traded.

OK, we need to draft as many of these guys as we can because of their names. Seriously. And I agree with you, my choice would be Wang. Imagine a sweep to the right and the announcer pointing out that a defender was "flattened by Wang."

These things are important.

Wang may be available in the 5th. I love it when a plan comes together.

 

[fatness]

Offensive tackles still available.

That's a pretty convenient page; you can sort it by position.

Here's the guy they should grab for RT: Selvish Caspers (another cool name by the way, and the highest rated tackle left)

There was only one LB left rated as highly as Riley when he was picked, by the way: link

 

[fatness]

Pick 5.09: Bills Grab Wang

 

[fatness]

Redskins have given Raiders permission to talk to Campbell. I'd love to get a 5th for him.edit: looks like it would have to be a 6th, Raiders don't have any picks left in the 5thBills may be interested also. He'd be the Raiders starter I'd guess.

Campbell trade would involve Redskins receiving multiple picks for their former starting quarterback. A decision expected soon.

Jason Reid

 

[southeastjerome]

Redskins have given Raiders permission to talk to Campbell. I'd love to get a 5th for him.edit: looks like it would have to be a 6th, Raiders don't have any picks left in the 5thBills may be interested also. He'd be the Raiders starter I'd guess.

Per the WaPo Skins blog:

The Jason Campbell era in Washington appears to be nearing an end.The Redskins were in trade discussions with the Oakland Raiders this afternoon. The Redskins could be receiving the Raiders' sixth-rounder -- the 190th overall -- in addition to another late round pick in exchange for Campbell

 

[fatness]

It would be nice to see the Bills offer both their 6th rounders for him. I can dream.

Jason Campbell is an Oakland Raider.

I hope he does well there. I truly like the guy.

Trade confirmed by Campbell.

 

[VA Sundevil]

Shefter says trade is done (Jason to Raiders), just waiting on details

 

[Sebowski]

Hate that deal. Campbell was worth more. Would rather have kept him as a backup for the games McNabb will miss when he is hurt.

I'll feel better if we end up with Pike or LeFevour though.

Still can't believe Dwyer is still out there. Like to take him too.

 

[fatness]

Hate that deal. Campbell was worth more. Would rather have kept him as a backup for the games McNabb will miss when he is hurt. I'll feel better if we end up with Pike or LeFevour though. Still can't believe Dwyer is still out there. Like to take him too.

He was worth more but nobody was going to pay it unfortunately. The market for vets is really depressed right now. I'd like to snag one of those QB's as well, and Dwyer, and a RT. I'd be content with that. I'm guessing that with multiple picks from the Raiders the Skins still have 4 picks left?These are the picks the Raiders have left that might have been included in the trade. Trade won't be announced until the Raiders are on the clock I don't think. Round 6, Pick 21 (190) (From Patriots) -- -- Round 7, Pick 8 (215)