southeastjerome
Footballguy
I think a 4th in 2012 is a pretty good deal. I'm happy with that.
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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)
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fatness
Footballguy
Wow. That's more than I thought they'd get. There were lots of good players on the board in the 4th this year.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
JLC (for whatever its worth), just said the pick might be based on parameters.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Uhh, now Miami is on the clock with the skins 5th rounder.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Skins traded the 163rd pick for picks 174 and 219. So the 5th for a 6th (originally ours for Jason Taylor) and Miami's 7th.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Yeah my post was when we thought it was for a 6th. I can stomach a 4th next year. I'm sure ShannAllen would be happy to know that....
southeastjerome
Footballguy
LOL a TE?? Dennis Morris LA Tech.
Sammy Traveller
Footballguy
buster c
Footballguy
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Is he a receiving TE? I just found a highlight reel of him on Youtube and the first several minutes are all of him blocking.Great. We trade down and then use the pick to take a receiving TE. Cooley, Davis, now this guy. A real ####### position of need.
I watch a lot of college football, but I honestly know nothing about this guy. I will say that even though we do have a lot of TE's, you really shouldn't draft for need this late.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Schefter says 2012, Lombardi is saying its 2011.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
The more I watch that youtube clip, the more I think they see him as a FB.Is he a receiving TE? I just found a highlight reel of him on Youtube and the first several minutes are all of him blocking.Great. We trade down and then use the pick to take a receiving TE. Cooley, Davis, now this guy. A real ####### position of need.
buster c
Footballguy
from nfl.com:Morris is a tight end that the Redskins will play at fullback. He's a blocking tight end that will be their lead blocker in the zone running scheme that Mike Shanahan implements. He figures to compete with Mike Sellers for playing time.Is he a receiving TE? I just found a highlight reel of him on Youtube and the first several minutes are all of him blocking.Great. We trade down and then use the pick to take a receiving TE. Cooley, Davis, now this guy. A real ####### position of need.
You are right. The whole goal is to get productive players.Is he a receiving TE? I just found a highlight reel of him on Youtube and the first several minutes are all of him blocking.Great. We trade down and then use the pick to take a receiving TE. Cooley, Davis, now this guy. A real ####### position of need.
One thing Shanahan has be very clear about: he want competition at every position. Sellers has had very little competition the last few years and frequently was the only FB on the roster.Is he a receiving TE? I just found a highlight reel of him on Youtube and the first several minutes are all of him blocking.Great. We trade down and then use the pick to take a receiving TE. Cooley, Davis, now this guy. A real ####### position of need.
fatness
Footballguy
I was looking at the graphic on the NFL Network which said he caught 12 TD's last year. Either that number was wrong or he sure seems like a receiving TE?Is he a receiving TE? I just found a highlight reel of him on Youtube and the first several minutes are all of him blocking.Great. We trade down and then use the pick to take a receiving TE. Cooley, Davis, now this guy. A real ####### position of need.
fatness
Footballguy
Yeah, I agree, and from what I read from players and writers his play is not nearly what it used to be. He's been one of those unchallenged guys for a bit too long.As for drafting for need vs. drafting the best player --- at this point in the draft every choice is a crapshoot. If Morris was the best player they saw available, fine, if he's a blocking TE. But if the best player they saw available was a receiving TE, then no, you don't take him at this point in the draft because he'll sit on the bench for the next 5 years and it's a waste of a roster spot.
I am very impressed that your scouting and Shanahan's scouts came to the same conclusions (I hope they saw more than just a cool name).2 offensive linemen with their last 2 picks:Cook, Erik C 6'6" 318 New MexicoCapers, Selvish OT 6'4" 308 West Virginia Glad to see they listened to me on that last pick.
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For depth even.Our line now has 2 good players. We need more than that to hope to win.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Gotta love the Capers pick. He came WV as a TE, very athletic. Not overly powerful, but very agile. Sounds more like a LT backup candidate than a RT imo. Watching him play, I'd be surprised if he does not make this team.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Makes me think Shanny is part of the Cult of Colt.
For the right price he would still add depth, and probably be a bit of an upgrade of Mike Williams.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Or that he believes McNabb has a legitimate 3-5 years left in him. There really wasn't any need to draft an heir apparent this year.
fatness
Footballguy
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Put me in the boat that is very happy with the way this draft turned out. As that fan comment shows, Shanallenhan turned 4 picks into 6 and acquired McNabb and Carriker with 2 other picks. I think getting a 2012 pick for Campbell was a little curious, but if that's the best they could do then it's better than nothing.And, out of curiosity, I looked up the last time the 'Skins selected 3 OL in one draft. It was 1992. The last year of Gibbs I. That makes me simultaneously happy and sad.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Updated list of UDFAs. So far for the 'Skins (as of Saturday night):
Another TE. At the moment, I'm guessing Dennis Morris is competition for Sellers, while Paulsen, Sean Ryan and Lee Vickers will be vying for that #3 "Yoder-like" TE spot.Yoder had been making nearly as much as Davis. I'm guessing (again) that Shanallenhan figures they can find a #3 TE who is just as serviceable yet can be paid about 1/3 of what Yoder was getting.
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I won't get too carried away on the draft. If it's a typical draft, 1/2 of the lower round draft picks won't be with the team in 3 years. But the Redskins need bodies and they managed to trade down some and pick up more picks in the later rounds. If a couple of gems come out of the lower rounds and Trent Williams delivers, it will be an excellent draft.Sidewinder16 said:Put me in the boat that is very happy with the way this draft turned out. As that fan comment shows, Shanallenhan turned 4 picks into 6 and acquired McNabb and Carriker with 2 other picks. I think getting a 2012 pick for Campbell was a little curious, but if that's the best they could do then it's better than nothing.And, out of curiosity, I looked up the last time the 'Skins selected 3 OL in one draft. It was 1992. The last year of Gibbs I. That makes me simultaneously happy and sad.fatness said:
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Right. I'm not judging the players, as of yet. Just how the picks were used, essentially.Before the draft, 2 of the picks were used to acquire a franchise QB and much needed help on the DL. During the draft, the 4 remaining picks were turned in to 6 players, and an extra/unwanted QB was turned into a future draft pick.Before the draft, things looked bleak from a "preparing for the future" standpoint, especially with everyone reminding us that the 'Skins had "the fewest picks of any team in this draft" and that "100+ players will be gone before the 'Skins can make their second pick". Looking back at what was done with those "4 picks", I think they did about as well as could be reasonably expected. Hence, my current optimism.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I've got some "April optimism" going now for Perry Riley, too. Between the "Pick Analysis" at NFL.com and Jene Bramel's first thoughts on his selection, it looks like Riley has the potential to be a Karlos Dansby-type ILB in a 3-4.
He obviously will need some developing, but if he can eventually play inside next to Fletcher, it may mean McIntosh could move outside and be the OLB with coverage duties.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
No one they would have picked late would compete for McNabb's spot any time soon. If they took a Pike or LeFevour type of guy he would be directly competing with Colt like Chase Daniels last year. Not taking a QB is an endorsement of Colt in my eyes.Sidewinder16 said:Sebowski said:Or that he believes McNabb has a legitimate 3-5 years left in him. There really wasn't any need to draft an heir apparent this year.
RE: Morris:
Shanahan tells Morris he'll be used at fullback and H-back as well
If you heard about the Redskins' sixth-round pick of Dennis Morris and wondered why the team needed another tight end, you probably weren't alone. But we can provide a bit more clarification.
Morris, a Louisiana Tech product, said on a conference call with reporters this afternoon that Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan told him he can expect to line up as a tight end, fullback and H-back.
"I feel like I can play all of them," Morris said. "I've been playing all of them since I've been in college, so it wouldn't be a change."
Morris said he'd been in contact with the Redskins the past several weeks and though he did not have a pre-draft visit to Redskins Park, he had been talking regularly with the team's tight ends coach, Jon Embree.
Morris was a surprise pick to many because the Redskins didn't have noticeable need at the tight end position and because Morris was somewhat of an unknown entity. He was not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine in February.
"I was disappointed that I didn't get invited, but some of the great tight ends and fullbacks in the league right now, some of them didn't get invited," Morris said. "So I just kept my head up, kept working."
Morris said he's 6-foot-2-inches tall and weighs 255 pounds and feels he can contribute on offense for Washington.
"I'm pretty fast for my size and I can catch a lot. i'm pretty aggressive. I like to block. So I feel like I can help the team out a lot by playing the role of a true tight end, a true fullback, H-back, something like that."
By Rick Maese | April 24, 2010; 2:39 PM ET
Shanahan tells Morris he'll be used at fullback and H-back as well
If you heard about the Redskins' sixth-round pick of Dennis Morris and wondered why the team needed another tight end, you probably weren't alone. But we can provide a bit more clarification.
Morris, a Louisiana Tech product, said on a conference call with reporters this afternoon that Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan told him he can expect to line up as a tight end, fullback and H-back.
"I feel like I can play all of them," Morris said. "I've been playing all of them since I've been in college, so it wouldn't be a change."
Morris said he'd been in contact with the Redskins the past several weeks and though he did not have a pre-draft visit to Redskins Park, he had been talking regularly with the team's tight ends coach, Jon Embree.
Morris was a surprise pick to many because the Redskins didn't have noticeable need at the tight end position and because Morris was somewhat of an unknown entity. He was not invited to the NFL Scouting Combine in February.
"I was disappointed that I didn't get invited, but some of the great tight ends and fullbacks in the league right now, some of them didn't get invited," Morris said. "So I just kept my head up, kept working."
Morris said he's 6-foot-2-inches tall and weighs 255 pounds and feels he can contribute on offense for Washington.
"I'm pretty fast for my size and I can catch a lot. i'm pretty aggressive. I like to block. So I feel like I can help the team out a lot by playing the role of a true tight end, a true fullback, H-back, something like that."
By Rick Maese | April 24, 2010; 2:39 PM ET
For a QB of the future it is.
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