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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Off-Season Thread (2 Viewers)

Hmm...one of the best OT in the game for a 3rd or 4th rounder, GREAT DEAL!!!! Our weakest position last season (after Samuels went down) now appears to solidified by a top OT and a young soon to be stud. LOVE THIS DEAL!!!!Nice off-season, barring the need to kick Fat Al's butt! :shrug:
Looks to me like a third AND a fourth rounder :lmao:
No, it's the pick that Philly doesn't get. We do get a pick (TBD) back from NO depending on which one we give them. Although we will be without a 3rd & 4th next year since we got McNabb and Brown. The difference is we are not wasting a pick on a bum like Rinehart, we are getting a TOP LT/RT that is proven in the NFL. Granted he's got a few years on him, but you know what you got for the next 5 years opposed to hoping what you got.
 
Out injured all last year? Ryan O'Halloran

New Orleans announced the trade on its website around 6 p.m. Brown signed his $3.619 million restricted free agent tender and was subsequently dealt to the Redskins for a package that didn’t include Haynesworth, who skipped Washington’s mandatory minicamp earlier this week. Brown, who has experience at both right and left tackle positions, missed all of last year following two surgeries to repair hip and hernia injuries.
What the Redskins will give up is complicated. Before Saturday, the Redskins were committed to send their third- or fourth-round pick to Philadelphia as part of the McNabb trade based on certain parameters. Now, according to ESPN, whichever pick isn’t sent to the Eagles will be shipped to New Orleans. If it’s the third-rounder, the Redskins get the Saints’ fifth-round pick in return; if it’s the fourth-round selection, the Redskins get a sixth- or seventh-round pick from the Saints. The Redskins could also send a 2012 sixth-round pick based on Brown’s playing time this year.
So they trade a pick for a pick 2 rounds later, essentially. And they get Brown. I hate trading draft picks, I really do. It's a large part of how the team got to be a 4-12 laughingstock. On the other hand, if Brown's injuries don't prevent him from playing to his previous ability level, it looks like a good deal. He should have several good years left at age 29.

Brown, 29, is 6-foot-6 and 313 pounds and has started all 58 games of his NFL career. He played 13 games at right tackle as a rookie before moving to left tackle to start 15 games apiece from 2006-08
I sure as hell have been nervous about Hicks starting at right tackle, backed up by Heyer, and I've said so several times. Looks like the Redskins felt that way too.
 
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I think this pretty much assures Rinehart will finally be cut. Hicks will probably compete with Mike Williams at RG, and Williams and Heyer become less important. Hicks can back up at RT or play G. I really don't think Williams is a viable RT backup.From the O'Halloran article (no mention of Rinehart at all):

On paper, the Redskins will have three new starters on an offensive line that struggled mightily last year. The projected starting group (and where they played in 2009):LT: Trent Williams (Oklahoma). Williams is the Redskins' first round draft pick and replaces the retired Chris Samuels. Veteran Levi Jones finished the year as the starter but was not retained.LG: Derrick Dockery (Redskins).C: Casey Rabach (Redskins).RG: Artis Hicks (Minnesota Vikings) or Mike Williams (Redskins). Hicks would have the advantage because of greater experience at guard. Randy Thomas was injured for most of last year and released.RT: Brown (Saints). Several players started at the position last year, chiefly Stephon Heyer.The potential odd man out in the trade is Mike Williams, who worked with the first group the entire offseason at right guard. He now becomes a serviceable swing man on the line, which isn’t great news for tackle-only Heyer.
 
Brown started as a RT, then was shifted to LT where he played 3 seasons and was out the 4th season, if I'm reading right. So he hasn't played RT for over 4 years?

 
Hmm...one of the best OT in the game for a 3rd or 4th rounder, GREAT DEAL!!!! Our weakest position last season (after Samuels went down) now appears to solidified by a top OT and a young soon to be stud. LOVE THIS DEAL!!!!Nice off-season, barring the need to kick Fat Al's butt! :confused:
Looks to me like a third AND a fourth rounder :mellow:
No, it's the pick that Philly doesn't get. We do get a pick (TBD) back from NO depending on which one we give them. Although we will be without a 3rd & 4th next year since we got McNabb and Brown. The difference is we are not wasting a pick on a bum like Rinehart, we are getting a TOP LT/RT that is proven in the NFL. Granted he's got a few years on him, but you know what you got for the next 5 years opposed to hoping what you got.
Ah ok, gotcha. I had forgotten about the pick already being sent to Philly for McNabb. Seems like a solid deal! :)
 
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I'd feel a LOT better about this season if they stuck with the 4-3. The defense was the shining point of the team last season, with Haynesworth clogging up the run defense and Orakpo/Carter free to rush the passer. It was the offense that held the team back.

Now they've finally fixed some of the offensive line woes, grabbed a solid veteran QB to lead the offense, and brought in a great head coach.

But the switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, with a defensive coordinator that doesn't exactly have the best resume, not only worries me in itself, but also scared away one of the best defensive linemen in the entire league.

I'd feel a LOT better about havng a greatly improved O-line, QB, and head coach if we just had the same defense as last season, plus a year of experience.

They must think the 3-4 switch will be a huge success with the linebackers, because they're trying to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with :lmao:

 
I still like what ShanAllenhan are doing here. To add Brown and McNabb, two proven, Pro Bowl caliber players (and who play crucial positions on offense), for 3rd and 4th round picks is pretty impressive. Some might complain about moving more draft picks, but you aren't getting players as capable and game-ready as McNabb and Brown with 3rd and 4th round picks. I could also see continued complaints about "not getting younger", but it's not like either of those guys are in the waning days of their careers. Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders, they are not.

I think the OL just went from bottom third of the league to at least middle of the pack.

 
I'd feel a LOT better about havng a greatly improved O-line, QB, and head coach if we just had the same defense as last season, plus a year of experience.
I agree with you. I expect the defense to be giving up more points this year while the offense is putting up more points.
 
I'd feel a LOT better about havng a greatly improved O-line, QB, and head coach if we just had the same defense as last season, plus a year of experience.
I agree with you. I expect the defense to be giving up more points this year while the offense is putting up more points.
But the defense now has the chance to SCORE some points, or at least get some turnovers which hasn't been the case in past seasons.
 
I'd feel a LOT better about this season if they stuck with the 4-3. The defense was the shining point of the team last season, with Haynesworth clogging up the run defense and Orakpo/Carter free to rush the passer. It was the offense that held the team back.Now they've finally fixed some of the offensive line woes, grabbed a solid veteran QB to lead the offense, and brought in a great head coach.But the switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, with a defensive coordinator that doesn't exactly have the best resume, not only worries me in itself, but also scared away one of the best defensive linemen in the entire league.I'd feel a LOT better about havng a greatly improved O-line, QB, and head coach if we just had the same defense as last season, plus a year of experience. They must think the 3-4 switch will be a huge success with the linebackers, because they're trying to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with :thumbup:
Shanahan with his time off from the game took a long hard look at himself and his philosophies and sink or swim he's going with what he believes in. Until it proves to be a colossal failure I'm trusting the guy. It may take awhile for players to adjust to their new roles but I like our talent on D regardless.
 
I'd feel a LOT better about this season if they stuck with the 4-3. The defense was the shining point of the team last season, with Haynesworth clogging up the run defense and Orakpo/Carter free to rush the passer. It was the offense that held the team back.Now they've finally fixed some of the offensive line woes, grabbed a solid veteran QB to lead the offense, and brought in a great head coach.But the switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, with a defensive coordinator that doesn't exactly have the best resume, not only worries me in itself, but also scared away one of the best defensive linemen in the entire league.I'd feel a LOT better about havng a greatly improved O-line, QB, and head coach if we just had the same defense as last season, plus a year of experience. They must think the 3-4 switch will be a huge success with the linebackers, because they're trying to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with :kicksrock:
I feel the same way. All the moves on offense yell out "win now", but all the moves on defense look like moves for a few years down the line. As much of a ##### bag Haynesworth is, he'd be a willing contributor in a 4-3. Andre Carter wouldn't slotted to play a position he struggled at in a 4-3. Jarmon wouldn't be caught as a tweener and playing a position he never played before in a 4-3. But I'm just a fan, so I'm gonna have to trust them on this one, still....
 
I still like what ShanAllenhan are doing here. To add Brown and McNabb, two proven, Pro Bowl caliber players (and who play crucial positions on offense), for 3rd and 4th round picks is pretty impressive. Some might complain about moving more draft picks, but you aren't getting players as capable and game-ready as McNabb and Brown with 3rd and 4th round picks. I could also see continued complaints about "not getting younger", but it's not like either of those guys are in the waning days of their careers. Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders, they are not.I think the OL just went from bottom third of the league to at least middle of the pack.
They gave up more then that to get McNabb.
 
jbz said:
Warrior said:
I'd feel a LOT better about this season if they stuck with the 4-3. The defense was the shining point of the team last season, with Haynesworth clogging up the run defense and Orakpo/Carter free to rush the passer. It was the offense that held the team back.

Now they've finally fixed some of the offensive line woes, grabbed a solid veteran QB to lead the offense, and brought in a great head coach.

But the switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, with a defensive coordinator that doesn't exactly have the best resume, not only worries me in itself, but also scared away one of the best defensive linemen in the entire league.

I'd feel a LOT better about havng a greatly improved O-line, QB, and head coach if we just had the same defense as last season, plus a year of experience.

They must think the 3-4 switch will be a huge success with the linebackers, because they're trying to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with :lmao:
I feel the same way. All the moves on offense yell out "win now", but all the moves on defense look like moves for a few years down the line. As much of a ##### bag Haynesworth is, he'd be a willing contributor in a 4-3. Andre Carter wouldn't slotted to play a position he struggled at in a 4-3. Jarmon wouldn't be caught as a tweener and playing a position he never played before in a 4-3. But I'm just a fan, so I'm gonna have to trust them on this one, still....
No, you're right. Haslett's resume is not talked about enough. It's mediocre. If this was being led by someone like Parcells, I'd be much happier, but what I see and know about the personnel and its strengths is too much for me to be satisfied by anything that Haslett's advocating here. When you think about it, all of the best players in the front seven of that defense are players best used in a 4-3: Haynesworth; Carter; Fletcher; Orakpo; Jarmon; Daniels; Golston.

I still don't get this, except that it's all Haslett knows so he's going to shoe horn this team into his scheme . . . which is precisely the attribute of a mediocre coach that I'm expecting to see out of the likes of him.

 
jbz said:
Warrior said:
I'd feel a LOT better about this season if they stuck with the 4-3. The defense was the shining point of the team last season, with Haynesworth clogging up the run defense and Orakpo/Carter free to rush the passer. It was the offense that held the team back.

Now they've finally fixed some of the offensive line woes, grabbed a solid veteran QB to lead the offense, and brought in a great head coach.

But the switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, with a defensive coordinator that doesn't exactly have the best resume, not only worries me in itself, but also scared away one of the best defensive linemen in the entire league.

I'd feel a LOT better about havng a greatly improved O-line, QB, and head coach if we just had the same defense as last season, plus a year of experience.

They must think the 3-4 switch will be a huge success with the linebackers, because they're trying to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with :coffee:
I feel the same way. All the moves on offense yell out "win now", but all the moves on defense look like moves for a few years down the line. As much of a ##### bag Haynesworth is, he'd be a willing contributor in a 4-3. Andre Carter wouldn't slotted to play a position he struggled at in a 4-3. Jarmon wouldn't be caught as a tweener and playing a position he never played before in a 4-3. But I'm just a fan, so I'm gonna have to trust them on this one, still....
No, you're right. Haslett's resume is not talked about enough. It's mediocre. If this was being led by someone like Parcells, I'd be much happier, but what I see and know about the personnel and its strengths is too much for me to be satisfied by anything that Haslett's advocating here. When you think about it, all of the best players in the front seven of that defense are players best used in a 4-3: Haynesworth; Carter; Fletcher; Orakpo; Jarmon; Daniels; Golston.

I still don't get this, except that it's all Haslett knows so he's going to shoe horn this team into his scheme . . . which is precisely the attribute of a mediocre coach that I'm expecting to see out of the likes of him.

 
Johnny Ice said:
Warrior said:
I'd feel a LOT better about this season if they stuck with the 4-3. The defense was the shining point of the team last season, with Haynesworth clogging up the run defense and Orakpo/Carter free to rush the passer. It was the offense that held the team back.

Now they've finally fixed some of the offensive line woes, grabbed a solid veteran QB to lead the offense, and brought in a great head coach.

But the switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4, with a defensive coordinator that doesn't exactly have the best resume, not only worries me in itself, but also scared away one of the best defensive linemen in the entire league.

I'd feel a LOT better about havng a greatly improved O-line, QB, and head coach if we just had the same defense as last season, plus a year of experience.

They must think the 3-4 switch will be a huge success with the linebackers, because they're trying to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with :lmao:
Shanahan with his time off from the game took a long hard look at himself and his philosophies and sink or swim he's going with what he believes in. Until it proves to be a colossal failure I'm trusting the guy. It may take awhile for players to adjust to their new roles but I like our talent on D regardless.
I trust Shanahan...it's Haslett that I'm not a big fan of. Though I guess he was chosen by Shanahan so there's hope.If Haynesworth was willing to play in the 3-4, I'd be very excited about this season. McNabb, Shanahan, two new stud OT's (hopefully), bringing back a very solid defense with arguably the best DT in the league and Orakpo set to go off on QBs...we'd be golden. If the 'skins would at least be able to trade him for a fairly high pick, I'd also be happy with the outcome (though much less so). But switching to the 3-4 without Fat Albert makes me cringe...Orakpo and Carter did so well in the 4-3 with Al clogging up the blockers that I'm cringing at the thought of their sack totals dwindling next season without him. And if you can't pressure the QB, everything else on defense suffers greatly along with it.

 
The fact of the matter is, the defense the Skins have played the past several seasons, while statistically solid in yards allowed, has been mediocre to bad when the game matter. They've been prone to giving up game winning drives and they've been consistently in the bottom of the league in forced turnovers. I personally think the change in direction is a good one.

 
The fact of the matter is, the defense the Skins have played the past several seasons, while statistically solid in yards allowed, has been mediocre to bad when the game matter. They've been prone to giving up game winning drives and they've been consistently in the bottom of the league in forced turnovers. I personally think the change in direction is a good one.
I don't mind a change. I don't like this change.
 
The fact of the matter is, the defense the Skins have played the past several seasons, while statistically solid in yards allowed, has been mediocre to bad when the game matter. They've been prone to giving up game winning drives and they've been consistently in the bottom of the league in forced turnovers. I personally think the change in direction is a good one.
When you consider how much time they spent on the field due to a completely ineffective offense, their defense last season was very solid.10th in yards/game8th in Sacks11th in forced fumblesThe other stats, mainly interceptions, weren't so great. But should you really expect to get a lot of INT's when you're losing most games because the offense isn't scoring? I'm sure most teams were more than happy to run out the clock on the ground after an early lead.
 
The fact of the matter is, the defense the Skins have played the past several seasons, while statistically solid in yards allowed, has been mediocre to bad when the game matter. They've been prone to giving up game winning drives and they've been consistently in the bottom of the league in forced turnovers. I personally think the change in direction is a good one.
When you consider how much time they spent on the field due to a completely ineffective offense, their defense last season was very solid.10th in yards/game8th in Sacks11th in forced fumblesThe other stats, mainly interceptions, weren't so great. But should you really expect to get a lot of INT's when you're losing most games because the offense isn't scoring? I'm sure most teams were more than happy to run out the clock on the ground after an early lead.
I am with Hang 10 here. The Redskin's defense really was not that good. If they needed a big stop, they never got it. There were some good individual performance (Orakpo, Carter, Fletcher), there there were many poor individual performances too (Landry, D'Angelo, Rogers). The stats can be interpreted both ways too. With such an ineffective offense, teams were less aggressive against the Redskins, threw the ball less, leading to less pass yardage, thus improving the Redskin's stats.
 
When you think about it, all of the best players in the front seven of that defense are players best used in a 4-3: Haynesworth; Carter; Fletcher; Orakpo; Jarmon; Daniels; Golston.
I don't think that's self-evident at all. Daniels has played like a 3-4 5-technique end for the past 5 years. He's stayed in the league precisely because he's a great run anchor. I think Orakpo is a prototypical 3-4 rush linebacker. It would be hard for Haynesworth to be better at any position than 2-technique tackle, but I think he'd be an awesome 5-technique as well. And if Orakpo came from the same side as Haynesworth in those sets, you could get Orakpo isolated against a back in pass protection a lot. I'd like to see that.I think the concerns about Haslett (and Shanahan's struggles with defensive coordinators in Denver) are valid. But I don't think it says much to say that players who have only played 4-3 defenses are "better suited" to a 4-3. It also ignores the question of whether some our disappointing players might be better suited to the new defense. Maybe Carlos Rogers could thrive on a more aggressive scheme. Maybe Laron Landry can make more plays with less coverage responsibility. Who knows?

 
The fact of the matter is, the defense the Skins have played the past several seasons, while statistically solid in yards allowed, has been mediocre to bad when the game matter. They've been prone to giving up game winning drives and they've been consistently in the bottom of the league in forced turnovers. I personally think the change in direction is a good one.
In large part the decline of the defense at the end of games was due the offense sputtering all game, leaving the defense on the field too long and tiring them out, and was due to Blache using conservative "bend don't break" schemes.A change to the 3-4 does not necessarily mean turnovers will go up or down. Gambling more on defense, and playing with a lead more often, are what increases turnover. I don't see where a weakened defensive line is likely to increase turnovers, regardless of scheme.
 
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The fact of the matter is, the defense the Skins have played the past several seasons, while statistically solid in yards allowed, has been mediocre to bad when the game matter. They've been prone to giving up game winning drives and they've been consistently in the bottom of the league in forced turnovers. I personally think the change in direction is a good one.
In large part the decline of the defense at the end of games was due the offense sputtering all game, leaving the defense on the field too long and tiring them out, and was due to Blache using conservative "bend don't break" schemes.A change to the 3-4 does not necessarily mean turnovers will go up or down. Gambling more on defense, and playing with a lead more often, are what increases turnover. I don't see where a weakened defensive line is likely to increase turnovers, regardless of scheme.
I can remember several games last season where the defense was nearly as bad as the offense. The Lions and Chiefs games come to mind. The defense didn't give up that many points but they were on the field all day long...and not because of 3 and outs by the offense. They just weren't getting it done.
 
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Ray Lewis weighs in

every single word. feels like a sermon

And then there's the main event, Ray Lewis. The zillion-time Pro Bowler was also on with LaVar and Dukes, and while the initial question about Haynesworth was sort of vague and not really focused on No. 92, the question's subtext was clear.

"Your days of long suffering, of pain, of working out and countless hours of suffering, they're for a reason," Lewis said. "To fulfill a legacy, chasing something. And nowadays, where everything gets this dispute here, and I don't want to do this, I don't want to do that. See, when I was coming up, we didn't have that choice, to tell an adult -- no matter who it was -- what we weren't gonna do."

Since this was all pretty vague -- and there was loads more -- Chad Dukes finally asked Lewis how he would handle a situation similar to the Haynesworth one.

"I mean, I don't have to create a response," Lewis replied. "The response is, whatever you want me to do coach, let's get it done. If you want to switch the defense because you think it'll work better in a 3-4 -- I played in a 4-3 my whole life, but we switched up to a 3-4.

"Ok, Ray, you're gonna have to take on more guards, you're gonna have to do this and that.

"Ok, coach, I'll adjust. Do I like it? Hmm, nah. But I'll adjust, so let's do it, you know what I'm saying? And through that process, I won the defensive player of the year in the 4-3 in 2000, and in 2003 I came back and won the defensive player of the year in the 3-4. So it don't matter. Bottom line. Bottom line. Football is football, man,...

"No matter what the scheme is, y'all work together as businessmen to get it done. Because that's ultimately what it is, it's a business, so let's come to work and let's work together to figure this out. Ok, what best fits you? Ok, well, let's go to this sometimes, and then sometimes you don't like it, then we'll switch back to a 4-3, so play with that. But all of this? No, too much. Too much."

Arrington is obviously very passionate about this issue as well, and he responded with many strong words of his own, to which Lewis then responded with great feeling.

"Without even going long-winded, the word is, bottom line, respect," Lewis said. "The power of respect is never to disrespect. That's it. Just don't ever disrespect the game, because the game will be here, always. Always. All of our time has to pass, and bro, I don't speak down on him at all. I would love to have a conversation with him, to say to [whom] much is given much is required, brother.

"Sometimes you got to do things you ain't want to do to get something you ain't never got. So be ok with it. But you can't always win selfishly. If you always win selfishly, then I don't know what the walk of Jesus ever represented then. You're not winning. You're not winning. And that's the things that I would relate to him. Going back to answer the question, if I was one of the spokesmen or leaders on that team, I would say bro, look, I understand you. But look, let's work this out another way. Let's get pissed of at somebody that we gotta deal with for 16 weeks,

"And whatever it takes for brotherhood to be formed, that's what needs to be done. You can take it off the field and I still preach it to every young man that i speak to: do not try to walk through this life by your self. That's a lonely war. That's a lonely war. And when you find yourself in the midst, in the midst of these peaks and valleys, it's too much to deal with yourself bro. And money blinds all of us. Money ain't the root of all evil, it's the love of it, and these are the things that are being lost."
Ray Lewis: the antithesis of human excrement
 
Love me some Ray Ray!!! Then again, I'm a 'Canes fan too!

O'Halloran's pick for WR is a joke. I understand the logic in taking some WR's with ST ability, but Wade, Flurry and Austin? That's 3 with ST and a bit overkill. I think Wade or Flurry is odd man out with Kelly in.

As for the Defense, we were far from shabby, but I always felt that we were not a great as our ranking advertised. We played solid, but never seemed to really dominate the game. We would shut down a RB, but failed in other areas. We seemed to have had the giving up 1st down on 3rd and long disease for the past few years and always took away from playing great/good on the first two downs. I'm not a fan of switching to 3-4, but I'm not totally against it either. I am really enjoying the fact that our organization is not impulsive and there seems to be a real plan. I like what players are saying and they seemed to have really bought into what Shanny and organization is selling. I'm excited that our team might actually look and play like an NFL team this year, which is not what we looked like last season under Zorn.

 
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Ray Lewis: the antithesis of human excrement
Now you're just flat-out ridiculous.
Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were brought to an Atlanta police station for questioning. Eleven days later, the three were indicted on murder and aggravated assault charges.

Lewis' attorney arranged for the murder charges against Lewis to be dropped in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and a guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[19] Lewis was sentenced to one year of probation and was fined US$250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse.
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........the last vestige of a broken management style, the "Let's Get That Guy" plan that has cost Daniel Snyder millions in exorbitant contracts, jet fuel and clandestine dinners with somebody else's stars, starry nights that ultimately fizzled in disappointment.

Come to think: Haynesworth isn't just a buzz kill for the dawning of a more prosperous era in Washington sports; he's a window into everything wrong with the Redskins the past decade.

That's why I am angry with Albert.
Mike Wise hits the nail on the head.
 
Albert Haynesworth is right to sit out; Ray Lewis is being a hypocrite

For that, we have to go back to 2005 and S.I.com, when Ray Lewis openly expressed joy over the news that he was going to be featured in then-Ravens Defensive Coordinator Rex Ryan's 46 Defense, after playing in Mike Nolan's Ravens 3-4 Defense. In 2005, Lewis said:

"That's like telling your premier running back that you're going to make sure he's not going to be touched in a football game. To come into camp and have my defensive coordinator tell me I’m not going to be touched, I’m like a little kid all over again...It's tough, because you have to humble yourself and take coaching and do whatever they tell you to do," Lewis said. "Whether it takes away from your game or helps it, you just deal with it. That's what I did. It didn't alter how I prepared, it didn't alter my passion for the game. But at the same time, it alters how dominant I can be."
The scheme of defense did matter to Ray Lewis, even though he says otherwise today.
 
Ray Lewis: the antithesis of human excrement
Now you're just flat-out ridiculous.
Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were brought to an Atlanta police station for questioning. Eleven days later, the three were indicted on murder and aggravated assault charges.

Lewis' attorney arranged for the murder charges against Lewis to be dropped in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and a guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[19] Lewis was sentenced to one year of probation and was fined US$250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse.
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Buster can correct me if I'm wrong but I think to achieve the "Human Excrement" title the player needs to be all about himself. Say what you want about Ray Lewis off the field he has always been a huge team player and leader.
 
Albert Haynesworth is right to sit out; Ray Lewis is being a hypocrite

For that, we have to go back to 2005 and S.I.com, when Ray Lewis openly expressed joy over the news that he was going to be featured in then-Ravens Defensive Coordinator Rex Ryan's 46 Defense, after playing in Mike Nolan's Ravens 3-4 Defense. In 2005, Lewis said:

"That's like telling your premier running back that you're going to make sure he's not going to be touched in a football game. To come into camp and have my defensive coordinator tell me I’m not going to be touched, I’m like a little kid all over again...It's tough, because you have to humble yourself and take coaching and do whatever they tell you to do," Lewis said. "Whether it takes away from your game or helps it, you just deal with it. That's what I did. It didn't alter how I prepared, it didn't alter my passion for the game. But at the same time, it alters how dominant I can be."
The scheme of defense did matter to Ray Lewis, even though he says otherwise today.
:bye: He never sat out though. Even though he was displeased he still came in and played.

 
Ray Lewis: the antithesis of human excrement
Now you're just flat-out ridiculous.
Following a Super Bowl XXXIV party in Atlanta on January 31, 2000, a fight broke out between Lewis and another group of people, resulting in the stabbing deaths of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar. Lewis and two companions, Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting, were brought to an Atlanta police station for questioning. Eleven days later, the three were indicted on murder and aggravated assault charges.

Lewis' attorney arranged for the murder charges against Lewis to be dropped in exchange for his testimony against Oakley and Sweeting, and a guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice.[19] Lewis was sentenced to one year of probation and was fined US$250,000 by the NFL, which was believed to be the highest fine levied against an NFL player for an infraction not involving substance abuse.
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it's on wiki so it must be true! :shrug:

 
Albert Haynesworth is right to sit out; Ray Lewis is being a hypocrite

For that, we have to go back to 2005 and S.I.com, when Ray Lewis openly expressed joy over the news that he was going to be featured in then-Ravens Defensive Coordinator Rex Ryan's 46 Defense, after playing in Mike Nolan's Ravens 3-4 Defense. In 2005, Lewis said:

"That's like telling your premier running back that you're going to make sure he's not going to be touched in a football game. To come into camp and have my defensive coordinator tell me I’m not going to be touched, I’m like a little kid all over again...It's tough, because you have to humble yourself and take coaching and do whatever they tell you to do," Lewis said. "Whether it takes away from your game or helps it, you just deal with it. That's what I did. It didn't alter how I prepared, it didn't alter my passion for the game. But at the same time, it alters how dominant I can be."
The scheme of defense did matter to Ray Lewis, even though he says otherwise today.
 
Albert Haynesworth is right to sit out; Ray Lewis is being a hypocrite

For that, we have to go back to 2005 and S.I.com, when Ray Lewis openly expressed joy over the news that he was going to be featured in then-Ravens Defensive Coordinator Rex Ryan's 46 Defense, after playing in Mike Nolan's Ravens 3-4 Defense. In 2005, Lewis said:

"That's like telling your premier running back that you're going to make sure he's not going to be touched in a football game. To come into camp and have my defensive coordinator tell me I’m not going to be touched, I’m like a little kid all over again...It's tough, because you have to humble yourself and take coaching and do whatever they tell you to do," Lewis said. "Whether it takes away from your game or helps it, you just deal with it. That's what I did. It didn't alter how I prepared, it didn't alter my passion for the game. But at the same time, it alters how dominant I can be."
The scheme of defense did matter to Ray Lewis, even though he says otherwise today.
Isn't that exactly what Lewis said happened? He didn't want to switch but he listened to his coaches and ultimately it worked out for the best?
 
Buster can correct me if I'm wrong but I think to achieve the "Human Excrement" title the player needs to be all about himself. Say what you want about Ray Lewis off the field he has always been a huge team player and leader.
Ray Lewis was charged with murder because he was with a group of people who murdered someone. To get out of the murder charge he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and agreed to give testimony against the others. He did this to reduce his own sentence. Then he gave worthless testimony. If you're attacking someone's character, Ray Lewis is not an example to use to support your position. Neither is OJ, who was acquitted of murder.
 
He never sat out though. Even though he was displeased he still came in and played.
There were years of dissension in the Ravens locker room based on offense vs. defense. Lewis was a big part of that. The Ravens are a team less than 50 miles from Washington. I'm surprised you guys know so little about them.
 
OK folks. What's the best plan for the Redskins to deal with Haynesworth? Time to post what you think they should do, and how it benefits the team the most.

If you're going to cite "making people feel good" as a benefit, perhaps you could supply some history about how other feel-good moves have benefited the team in the past.

 
OK folks. What's the best plan for the Redskins to deal with Haynesworth? Time to post what you think they should do, and how it benefits the team the most. If you're going to cite "making people feel good" as a benefit, perhaps you could supply some history about how other feel-good moves have benefited the team in the past.
Stand pat. He's under contract and he will ultimately need to report both to preserve his rights to the money paid and to be paid, and to preserve his reputation as a player around the league to the extent he has any desire to play for anyone else. If he continues to hold out the team should of course seek to recover prorated amounts of bonus money. Trades of star veteran players rarely yield enough compensation and frankly he's too good for the team to give away at this point - they need him on the field for them. Only in the worst case scenario, e.g. TO in Philly, should they dump him. The advantage the Redskins have over most other teams is that they have the revenue stream to be able to continue to function smoothly even with this mess continuing. Handling things this way will also do much to reinforce that the team may be willing to spend top $ for players but doesn't simply cave if the players don't reciprocate with hard work for the organization.
 
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Stand pat. He's under contract and he will ultimately need to report both to preserve his rights to the money paid and to be paid, and to preserve his reputation as a player around the league to the extent he has any desire to play for anyone else. If he continues to hold out the team should of course seek to recover prorated amounts of bonus money. Trades of star veteran players rarely yield enough compensation and frankly he's too good for the team to give away at this point - they need him on the field for them. Only in the worst case scenario, e.g. TO in Philly, should they dump him. The advantage the Redskins have over most other teams is that they have the revenue stream to be able to continue to function smoothly even with this mess continuing. Handling things this way will also do much to reinforce that the team may be willing to spend top $ for players but doesn't simply cave if the players don't reciprocate with hard work for the organization.
:lmao: Completely agree. He shouldn't be traded for anything less than a 3rd (and even that doesn't match his on-field ability). And, since NOBODY will actually offer that much, they need to keep him.I think most people are overstating the "cancer" aspect here. As you mention, this isn't a TO situation. If he was on-site and spewing the same crap, then it becomes a TO situation. But, he's not. He's staying away. He's not in the locker room every day telling his teammates how misused he is and how the team should do X instead of Y. As far as I know, nobody on the team is really talking to him. To me, that limits the effect of the "cancer".
 
And as much as I want to say "Let him rot" as a fan, I don't think they can take that route either. Their goal should still be to get him on the field and putting in maximum effort.

If they start the season with him inactive and their giving up 150 yards per game on the ground, even guys like London Fletcher are going to want him out there.

 
I think you guys are missing the grand plan by albert here, roll back the clock to October 2006. After stomping on Gurode's face and giving him a gash requiring 30 stitches, Haynesworth said in a press conference:

"Now Albert Haynesworth is known for something despicable, just not for being a good player or the face of the NFL like Chad Johnson or Terrell Owens, for that matter. It's known for this incident, so I know I lost a lot of respect," Haynesworth said.

Now fast forward to today, between the 100mil contract, and now the holdout, no one is even mentining the fact that he stomped on a man's face with his cleats. It has taken a long time, and sure people still thik he is an ###, but he has almost completely erased that legacy.

Bravo Albert, BRAVO.

 
OK folks. What's the best plan for the Redskins to deal with Haynesworth? Time to post what you think they should do, and how it benefits the team the most. If you're going to cite "making people feel good" as a benefit, perhaps you could supply some history about how other feel-good moves have benefited the team in the past.
Can't just release him. That would show other players that you can sign a huge contract, take the guaranteed bonus $, and then just quit...followed by signing with another team for another huge contract.DHall signed a similar deal (structure), with a lot of the $ guaranteed up front in a bonus. If this works for a player like Fat Albert, DHall and other players may lean towards taking a similar route.So you don't release him and you don't trade him for anything less than a low 3rd rounder. He either sits out the year and loses some $, or he sucks it up and eventually plays. Probably the former.Giving him away/dropping him makes short-term sense, but is a horrible long-term decision.
 
Buster can correct me if I'm wrong but I think to achieve the "Human Excrement" title the player needs to be all about himself. Say what you want about Ray Lewis off the field he has always been a huge team player and leader.
Ray Lewis was charged with murder because he was with a group of people who murdered someone. To get out of the murder charge he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and agreed to give testimony against the others. He did this to reduce his own sentence. Then he gave worthless testimony. If you're attacking someone's character, Ray Lewis is not an example to use to support your position. Neither is OJ, who was acquitted of murder.
hmm, getting "charged with murder" when you have nothing to do with the murder. gotta love the criminal justice system. Ray Lewis was "charged with murder" because a prosecutor saw an opportunity to make a name for himself - plain and simple. He was guilty of being loyal to his friends by refusing to narc them out. Bad judgment to maintain friendships with your boyhood pals who have become criminals? Absolutely. To equate him to OJ? Idiocy.
 
OK folks. What's the best plan for the Redskins to deal with Haynesworth? Time to post what you think they should do, and how it benefits the team the most.
Now? Nothing. It's a game of chicken that will conclude in late July when camp opens. My guess is that he'll show up fat and unhappy.
 
Buster can correct me if I'm wrong but I think to achieve the "Human Excrement" title the player needs to be all about himself. Say what you want about Ray Lewis off the field he has always been a huge team player and leader.
Ray Lewis was charged with murder because he was with a group of people who murdered someone. To get out of the murder charge he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and agreed to give testimony against the others. He did this to reduce his own sentence. Then he gave worthless testimony. If you're attacking someone's character, Ray Lewis is not an example to use to support your position. Neither is OJ, who was acquitted of murder.
hmm, getting "charged with murder" when you have nothing to do with the murder. gotta love the criminal justice system. Ray Lewis was "charged with murder" because a prosecutor saw an opportunity to make a name for himself - plain and simple. He was guilty of being loyal to his friends by refusing to narc them out. Bad judgment to maintain friendships with your boyhood pals who have become criminals? Absolutely. To equate him to OJ? Idiocy.
Refusing to "narc on your friends" isn't just bad judgment. It's obstruction of justice. It's a felony. I generally refrain from referring to anyone as excrement, but I also don't try to celebrate felons.Let us assume everything you say about Haynesworth is correct. He's "fat" (BTW all defensive tackles are), he's a me-first prima donna, he's in it for the money, he's hurting the team. Odds are every one of us knows dozens of people like that. To direct all your bile on Haynesworth for months the way you have been makes you seem unhinged. And it makes reading this thread a chore. It's called perspective. We could all use it. It's perfectly fine to prefer that Albert Haynesworth never play another down with the Redskins. Or to hope he has a change of heart. Or whatever. But no matter what happens, the guy isn't Hitler. Contracts aren't moral oaths. They're just business agreements. They are breached all the time.
 
Buster can correct me if I'm wrong but I think to achieve the "Human Excrement" title the player needs to be all about himself. Say what you want about Ray Lewis off the field he has always been a huge team player and leader.
Ray Lewis was charged with murder because he was with a group of people who murdered someone. To get out of the murder charge he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and agreed to give testimony against the others. He did this to reduce his own sentence. Then he gave worthless testimony. If you're attacking someone's character, Ray Lewis is not an example to use to support your position. Neither is OJ, who was acquitted of murder.
hmm, getting "charged with murder" when you have nothing to do with the murder. gotta love the criminal justice system. Ray Lewis was "charged with murder" because a prosecutor saw an opportunity to make a name for himself - plain and simple. He was guilty of being loyal to his friends by refusing to narc them out. Bad judgment to maintain friendships with your boyhood pals who have become criminals? Absolutely. To equate him to OJ? Idiocy.
Refusing to "narc on your friends" isn't just bad judgment. It's obstruction of justice. It's a felony. I generally refrain from referring to anyone as excrement, but I also don't try to celebrate felons.Let us assume everything you say about Haynesworth is correct. He's "fat" (BTW all defensive tackles are), he's a me-first prima donna, he's in it for the money, he's hurting the team. Odds are every one of us knows dozens of people like that. To direct all your bile on Haynesworth for months the way you have been makes you seem unhinged. And it makes reading this thread a chore. It's called perspective. We could all use it. It's perfectly fine to prefer that Albert Haynesworth never play another down with the Redskins. Or to hope he has a change of heart. Or whatever. But no matter what happens, the guy isn't Hitler. Contracts aren't moral oaths. They're just business agreements. They are breached all the time.
go read another thread, then. I have not said I prefer he never play another down here - in fact, I've said the opposite. he's their best defensive player and I am hopeful that this issue is resolved and he goes back to making it impossible for teams to run at us on 3rd & 4th and short. I have not made one single comment regarding his failure to show up for OTA's and his contract. Never implied anything about moral oaths. My understanding of contracts and contract law could be superior to yours, yet I'm not going to patronize whatever knowledge you have of them. Thicken up or just ignore my posts. it's apparent you're not reading them well.
 

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