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I don't think they ever reached a full sprint with Zorn's, or even Al Saunders', playbooks. It has seemed like something was always "being installed" in recent memory. Or maybe I'm misremembering.
I think you're remembering it correctly.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsi...assed.html#more
Jason Reid
For an offensive coach, Shanny's really defensive!
Jason Reid
He was going to pass the test today no matter what his times were. He might still be running right now and the team would say the time was under 70 or 73 seconds. They were tired of the show they had unintentionally created and produced an ending, just in time for Fan Appreciation Day today.
I'm glad this mess is over.
You make a lot of assumptions.
Washington Redskins-“The Hogs”-Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Jim Lachey, Raleigh McKenzie, Jeff Bostic, Mark Schlereth, Mark May…1986-91…They popularized the image of the quintessential mud covered and battered yet impossibly tough grizzled pit warrior. Grimm was the leader of this group and Jacoby was named to the NFL 1980’s All Decade Team and, along with Grimm, a HOFer. While the group experienced a lot of turnover between 1988-90, they still remained a cohesive and utterly dominant force. They were the biggest reason why the Redskins won two Super Bowls in 1988 & 1992. Updated from http://armchairgm.wikia.com/Article:NFL_Hi...nes_Of_All-Time
The Hogs existed starting in 1981, and were the reason they won all three SB's.
Agree to disagree in all fronts there, fatty.
Rich CampbellI love watching Portis block. LB's and DB's come on a blitz and all of a sudden they're just stopped or moved backwards.
They absolutely were. They were the reason for so few QB sacks and pressures and the great running game. Now that Grimm is in maybe Jacoby will get in too. I don't think the other guys will make it. As a unit they far surpassed their individual abilities.
Lovero was talking about the next Redskin to get in. His candidate is LB Chris Hanburger. I remember him from the mid-70's because I thought his last name was hamburger, which was kind of funny. But he went to 9 pro bowls and was first team all pro 4 times. Linebackers in the HOF include:
Nope, he did that with the Eagles too, especially in recent years.
I believe that he was also one of the primary reasons they outlawed the clothesline tackle. He was apparently a notorious practitioner of the art.
Indeed...his nickname was 'The Hangman'. That's AWESOME...I don't remember him for any specific stuff like that, but I remember watching him play as #55, and calling him Hamburger or Hamburgler as a kid, before I understood it was Hanburger. I started becoming sentient about the Redskins when I was about 8, which was in 1976, in terms of my earliest specific memories. I know my Dad pointed out to me that he was the Captain, or 'Quarterback' of the Defense, and one of George Allen's favorite Players, and I know that more than anything else, at that age, I was a big fan of his because of the last name...kinda like Coy Bacon and Ken Houston, etc...I remember most of those Defensive Players from that era, and it didn't dawn on me until later in life that the reason for that was because when it came to the 'skins Offense back in those days, there wasn't much worth remembering...George Allen made sure of that!David Elfin, a well-known newspaperman from the DC Area, apparently has voting privililedges for the HOF, and is responsible for generating the campaigns for the Redskins Players - he had a lot to do with Art Monk, Darrell Green and Russ Grimm getting presented, and voted in. He was interviewed on local sports radio on Saturday AM, and I'm pretty sure he said the next most reasonable candidate for nomination and induction into the HOF was...Gary Clark.
I love Gary Clark - he's one of my favorite Redskins of my (conscious) lifetime, and I've contended adamantly that if Lynn Swann deserves to get in, so does he. But there's no way he should get in before (in order) Hanburger and Jacoby.Indeed...his nickname was 'The Hangman'. That's AWESOME...I don't remember him for any specific stuff like that, but I remember watching him play as #55, and calling him Hamburger or Hamburgler as a kid, before I understood it was Hanburger. I started becoming sentient about the Redskins when I was about 8, which was in 1976, in terms of my earliest specific memories. I know my Dad pointed out to me that he was the Captain, or 'Quarterback' of the Defense, and one of George Allen's favorite Players, and I know that more than anything else, at that age, I was a big fan of his because of the last name...kinda like Coy Bacon and Ken Houston, etc...I remember most of those Defensive Players from that era, and it didn't dawn on me until later in life that the reason for that was because when it came to the 'skins Offense back in those days, there wasn't much worth remembering...George Allen made sure of that!David Elfin, a well-known newspaperman from the DC Area, apparently has voting privililedges for the HOF, and is responsible for generating the campaigns for the Redskins Players - he had a lot to do with Art Monk, Darrell Green and Russ Grimm getting presented, and voted in. He was interviewed on local sports radio on Saturday AM, and I'm pretty sure he said the next most reasonable candidate for nomination and induction into the HOF was...Gary Clark.
I'd agree with this. Hanburger would be a real stretch to make the PFHOF. I'd liken him to Monte Coleman or Marvcus Patton.
I'm not really arguing with you because I don't remember much about his play. But, Monte Coleman and Marvcus Patton combined for 0 pro bowls and 0 first team all pro. 9 pro bowls and 4 first team all pro have to count for something. Even Peter King might agree: When the five-man Seniors Committee meets later this month to determine the two other candidates to be considered by the 44 voters next February, the names with the most traction would appear to be one at linebacker -- Chris Hanburger, Chuck Howley or Maxie Baughan.
There's no way you go to 9 Pro Bowls and are an all-pro 4 times if you're merely a competent player, which is what the above really says. Wouldn't Harry Carson be a more apt comparison? Not a flashy guy but a leader of the defense and an impactful player nonetheless?
Neither one is able to practice today. Not good signs.
Perhaps the Carson analogy is better than what I thought of, but I was restricting it to Redskins.
But my recollection is that when Hanburger played for the Redskins, they weren't noted for defense. They were Sonny or Billy throwing to Mitchell or Taylor or Jerry Smith, and Larry Brown leading the league in rushing. They'd win games 48-35 or lose them 35-31. The defensive players who got headlines were Diron Talbert and the other Ramskins, not Hanburger. And the league was a lot smaller then, so more guys from a particular team got to go to the Pro Bowl. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Chris Hanburger in the PFHOF, but I just don't see it happening.
Clark? He'd be in my top 10, but I could only advocate on his behalf as a complete homer. Ol' #55 was the real deal. 1972 NFL Defensive POY - so I'm not open to critics who say he was simply 'good.' I'd equate him to the Steeler's Jack Ham: a 220 lb OLB who made all the plays needed plus game-changers, too. I'd like to see #43 & #55 real soon. I think Jacoby may be hurt by all the tape of LT blowing by him. What about Dave Butz? Bubbler?Black Taco said:I love Gary Clark - he's one of my favorite Redskins of my (conscious) lifetime, and I've contended adamantly that if Lynn Swann deserves to get in, so does he. But there's no way he should get in before (in order) Hanburger and Jacoby.nittanylion said:Black Taco said:Indeed...his nickname was 'The Hangman'. That's AWESOME...I don't remember him for any specific stuff like that, but I remember watching him play as #55, and calling him Hamburger or Hamburgler as a kid, before I understood it was Hanburger. I started becoming sentient about the Redskins when I was about 8, which was in 1976, in terms of my earliest specific memories. I know my Dad pointed out to me that he was the Captain, or 'Quarterback' of the Defense, and one of George Allen's favorite Players, and I know that more than anything else, at that age, I was a big fan of his because of the last name...kinda like Coy Bacon and Ken Houston, etc...I remember most of those Defensive Players from that era, and it didn't dawn on me until later in life that the reason for that was because when it came to the 'skins Offense back in those days, there wasn't much worth remembering...George Allen made sure of that!David Elfin, a well-known newspaperman from the DC Area, apparently has voting privililedges for the HOF, and is responsible for generating the campaigns for the Redskins Players - he had a lot to do with Art Monk, Darrell Green and Russ Grimm getting presented, and voted in. He was interviewed on local sports radio on Saturday AM, and I'm pretty sure he said the next most reasonable candidate for nomination and induction into the HOF was...Gary Clark.
You ever hear Czaban do his comparison of Clark's numbers with Michael Irvin's? He (Czabe) makes a compelling case that if Irvin is a HOFer, then so is #84.
Also noticed Tryon is 4th string.And who is Anthony Armstrong? Never heard of him until right now, but he's second string wr.
I have no clue, but he's been looking good in camp according to John Keim.
