southeastjerome
Footballguy
No, he was unrestricted. He has 5 years of service in the league.
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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
How can that be? He's a 5-year vet.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Extremeskins insiders reporting Jenkins is close. I will say that they haven't had their finger on the pulse of things as much as they have in recent years. It actually is a breath of fresh air. I do hope the Jenkins rumors are true though. I just hope it isn't for Charles Johnson type money.
dgreen
Footballguy
They have until Friday to convince Cofield to stay because he can't officially sign a deal until Friday.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Exactly. It's a 1-year deal, that I would imagine is at or close to vet minimum. The Junkies just likened it to the Larry Johnson signing. Bring in a vet to give the young guys competition, and if he shows he still has something, bonus. Otherwise, no big loss when he's cut.
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Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Jets are keeping Holmes.I agree. These are the type of deals I want to avoid. They are not fully proven #1 receivers. I think we have bigger holes to fill first, especially considering the money they would command. Rice is a constant injury risk and Holmes is one F up away from a year suspension. I like the Moss signing. Short years and not big money.'dgreen said:I have my doubts whether either Rice or Holmes are true #1s. I'm not sure I want them to commit WR1 money to either one for the next several years.'Eastwood said:I'm happy, but I hope Moss can become a #2 and we get someone like Rice or Holmes to be a true #1. (unless Hankerson is that good)'Harjiran said:Skins re-sign Santana Moss to 3-year deal.
netnalp
Footballguy
Just going by beat writer, Mike Garafolo's tweets about draft pick compensation. He could be mistaken.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
If the team and a player/agent have a deal in principal like that, I would be shocked if one end pulled back on it barring any unforeseen circumstances. The last thing an agent would want is a team that spends like drunken sailors not want to do future business with you.
dgreen
Footballguy
Probably compensatory picks which are awarded by the NFL (not traded by another team) for losing UFAs.
dgreen
Footballguy
I agree, but he'd be allowed to do so.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
QB Kellen Clemens signed to a 1-year deal.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Chris Russell tweets:
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
A couple of other tweets re: Cofield today:
'ProFootballFocus]Barry Cofield might not be the best schematic fit in DC said:
netnalp
Footballguy
Per Cofield's agent:"The thing about Barry is he played (nose tackle) in college and he's a big-body guy, so he's one of the few interior guys who can go either inside or outside. He has some versatility," said McCartney, a former director of personnel for the Eagles. "The one thing he hasn't had a chance to do a lot of is get up the field, and I think the Redskins' coaches did a good job of saying, 'We're going to utilize you in a variety of ways.'"
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Seeing that the 'Skins were in 4-man fronts basically as much as they were 3-man fronts last year, versatility is a great attribute to have.I generally don't pay attention to much that Lavar has to say, but he's talking X's and O's here, plus he played a season w/ Cofield, so I'll just assume he knows better than me in this area
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Sebowski
Footballguy
Fixed
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Given that almost everyone in the media was saying/writing that there would be no takers on a McNabb trade because everyone knew the Skins would cut him, I am actually happy they could get a couple 6th rounders for him.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Eh. Makes it petty, imo. Just show him some respect and cut him if that's what all we were going to settle for.
netnalp
Footballguy
Lavarr didn't do the Giants any favors, ate up tons of cap$ and got injured.Pierce is the one that should sting a little.
Sebowski
Footballguy
#### Pierce. He's a little #####.
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southeastjerome
Footballguy
Maybe I would be on board with that if McNabb was on board with wearing a wristband. Sorry, the Skins invested a lot and he failed to produce. I'm happy with whatever they can get considering word was they would not be able to get anything for him in return.
Get ready, the QB competition is on!
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This is funny.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/John-Beck-was-unrecognized-and-turned-away-at-Re?urn=nfl-wp3923
Tue Jul 26 11:30am EDT
John Beck was unrecognized and turned away at Redskins Park
By MJD
John Beck was unrecognized and turned away at Redskins Park
Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan is adamant that relatively unknown John Beck(notes) can be his team's starting quarterback this season. The rest of Washington, D.C., has been a little slower to embrace him.
Beck showed up to Redskins Park on Monday to try to meet with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, but he wasn't allowed to enter the building. The security guy at the gate had no idea he was the Redskins quarterback. From Mike Jones at the Washington Post:
He was turned away at the security gate by a guard, who didn't even know who he was.
Beck was told that players can't report until Tuesday morning, and left slightly disappointed, but not offended.
"I'm OK with that," Beck said of not being recognized when reached this afternoon. "I haven't done anything yet."
If I was in the security guy's shoes that day, I believe I'd have done the same thing. I'm not sure I'd recognize John Beck if he walked into my kitchen right now and started making me waffles.
Beck was drafted in the second round of the 2007 draft by the Dolphins. In two years with the Fish, he started just four games (with a spotless 0-4 record) and was unable to beat out Chad Pennington(notes), Chad Henne(notes) or the great Cleo Lemon(notes) for playing time. He spent 2009 wearing a Ravens uniform, but never got on the field.
In 47 days, he could be starting for the Redskins.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/John-Beck-was-unrecognized-and-turned-away-at-Re?urn=nfl-wp3923
Tue Jul 26 11:30am EDT
John Beck was unrecognized and turned away at Redskins Park
By MJD
John Beck was unrecognized and turned away at Redskins Park
Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan is adamant that relatively unknown John Beck(notes) can be his team's starting quarterback this season. The rest of Washington, D.C., has been a little slower to embrace him.
Beck showed up to Redskins Park on Monday to try to meet with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, but he wasn't allowed to enter the building. The security guy at the gate had no idea he was the Redskins quarterback. From Mike Jones at the Washington Post:
He was turned away at the security gate by a guard, who didn't even know who he was.
Beck was told that players can't report until Tuesday morning, and left slightly disappointed, but not offended.
"I'm OK with that," Beck said of not being recognized when reached this afternoon. "I haven't done anything yet."
If I was in the security guy's shoes that day, I believe I'd have done the same thing. I'm not sure I'd recognize John Beck if he walked into my kitchen right now and started making me waffles.
Beck was drafted in the second round of the 2007 draft by the Dolphins. In two years with the Fish, he started just four games (with a spotless 0-4 record) and was unable to beat out Chad Pennington(notes), Chad Henne(notes) or the great Cleo Lemon(notes) for playing time. He spent 2009 wearing a Ravens uniform, but never got on the field.
In 47 days, he could be starting for the Redskins.
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Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Skins trade Jarmon to Denver for Gaffney.
dgreen
Footballguy
"Cheap and available."
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Yea, and Jarmon didn't fit the new 3-4 scheme, so I like this deal. I was a little bummed when I heard the Jets resigned Holmes, but after seeing he's getting 10 million/year, that was too much, imo.The current wr's:Moss, Gaffney, Armstrong, Stallworth, Kelly, Banks, Hankerson, Paul, and the kid from SMU whose name I forget (Robinson?)Am I missing anyone?
Probably a decent move. Jarmon didn't fit the scheme as was expendible. For that, they get a guy who can complete to start on offense right away. Solid move for both teams potentially...
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Apparently, Brandon Stokely has now been signed, too.
ETA: Grant Paulsen tweets that Stokely makes 14 WRs on 'Skins roster. At most, they'll keep 5, right? Who do we think is a lock? I'm thinking Moss, Armstrong and Hankerson are basically locks. So, 11 WRs fighting for 2 spots? Talk about competition.
ETA: Grant Paulsen tweets that Stokely makes 14 WRs on 'Skins roster. At most, they'll keep 5, right? Who do we think is a lock? I'm thinking Moss, Armstrong and Hankerson are basically locks. So, 11 WRs fighting for 2 spots? Talk about competition.
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Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Did Stokely even play last year? I don't even remember what team he was on. With his addition their current wr's look like this:MossArmstrongGaffneyStallworthKellyBanksAustinStokelyHankerson ®Paul ®Robinson ®
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
So I'm missing 3 from my last above. Any idea who they are?
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Johnson, TaurusPrice, MauriceWilliams, RoydellJohnson and Price were signed to futures contracts following last season. Williams is apparently still under contract.
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The Redskins were stupid pure and simple. They didn't do their homwork on McNabb at all. He was the exact same player here that he was when he was in Philly, I'm still :'southeastjerome said:
when someone complains about how McNabb fell apart. If you even watched the Skins/Eagles games over the years you should have known what he was going to do.Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Thanks. Didn't know Roydell was still under contract. I don't see how he makes the team again.Looks like Johnson and Price have bounced around on practice squads.And I just remembered that Stokely played for Seattle last year.The competition at wr is defintiely going to be crazy.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Personally, I knew that McNabb wasn't the most accurate qb and that there were questions about his conditioning. What I didn't know, however, is that McNabb is basically uncoachable. I constantly heard about how great a relationship he and Andy Reid had.The Redskins were stupid pure and simple. They didn't do their homwork on McNabb at all. He was the exact same player here that he was when he was in Philly, I'm still :'southeastjerome said:
massraider
Footballguy
Josh Wilson signs 3 year, 13.5 mill deal.
Is he a starter? Will he return kicks?
Is he a starter? Will he return kicks?
dgreen
Footballguy
I don't know much about Wilson, but as of now he's a starter. The only other CBs on the roster are Hall, Kevin Barnes, and Byron Westbrook.I heard today that the Redskins aren't thrilled with some "off the field stuff" with Brandon Banks. He was arguably one of their biggest weapons last year with his returns, but they may be ready to move on from him if they have quality replacements. Wilson could fit that bill at KR. Rookie Niles Paul also could fill that void at both KR and PR. If Banks stays on the roster, I don't see Wilson returning kicks.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
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southeastjerome
Footballguy
I think they could keep 6 at WR. I think Gaffney is more of a lock than Armstrong. I think really the only locks are Moss and Hankerson though. With the Wilson signing Banks' days may be numbered. I really want Niles Paul to make this team.
B Maverick
Footballguy
dont forget malcom kelly!!
WR: Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong, Leonard Hankerson, Jabar Gaffney, Donte' Stallworth, Brandon Stokley, Niles Paul, Terrence Austin, Aldrick Robinson, Brandon Banks (KR/PR), Roydell Williams, Malcolm Kelly
Wow. Was really hoping Armstrong and his 86 targets for 44/871/3 and 19.8 ypc would get a shot either opposite Moss or Hankerson and have some bye week value despite the potentially bad QB situation.
WR: Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong, Leonard Hankerson, Jabar Gaffney, Donte' Stallworth, Brandon Stokley, Niles Paul, Terrence Austin, Aldrick Robinson, Brandon Banks (KR/PR), Roydell Williams, Malcolm Kelly
Wow. Was really hoping Armstrong and his 86 targets for 44/871/3 and 19.8 ypc would get a shot either opposite Moss or Hankerson and have some bye week value despite the potentially bad QB situation.
I wouldn't expect him to be able to change too much after being in one system for his entire career. I just think the Head Coach and GM really dropped the ball in not finding out if McNabb and Kyle could work together.Personally, I knew that McNabb wasn't the most accurate qb and that there were questions about his conditioning. What I didn't know, however, is that McNabb is basically uncoachable. I constantly heard about how great a relationship he and Andy Reid had.The Redskins were stupid pure and simple. They didn't do their homwork on McNabb at all. He was the exact same player here that he was when he was in Philly, I'm still :'southeastjerome said:
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Despite all the additions, I personally think Armstrong is as safe as anyone. He's done so much, from his in season development last season to his off season leadership this year, that if he were cut I'd be about as surprised as if someone like Cooley or Fletcher were cut. I think we'll be seeing Moss, Armstrong and Hankerson on the field together a lot.
fatness
Footballguy
That's exactly why they did it.
fatness
Footballguy
He weighs 305 and is a 4-3 defensive tackle. They've signed another 4-3 defensive lineman to play in their 3-4, in other words. He's too small to be an effective nose tackle (unless he's Jay Ratliff, which he's certainly not). This coaching staff might want to run a 3-4 but they have little idea how to staff it so far.
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fatness
Footballguy
I'd say Mike Shanahan invested a lot in McNabb and Kyle Shanahan failed to like him. It's the stupidest and most damaging trade I've seen -- trading a 2nd and 4th for a veteran QB, a known quantity, whom your offensive coordinator did not want and could not work with. Trying to paint it as McNabb's fault is just the old Vinnie-style cattiness of blaming players for front office mistakes.'southeastjerome said:
fatness
Footballguy
The Ravens had a pass rush. The Redskins did not. Let's look at those numbers in that perspective.
fatness
Footballguy
Over/under on total # of games played this season by Stokely plus total # of games played by Stallworth: 14
Stallworth has chronically-injured hamstrings, and Stokely (if I'm remembering correctly) is hurt a lot.
Gaffney might be some help, though. I'm very glad they re-signed Santana Moss. He's a good team player and a good WR. I'm sad that they failed to complete a Santana/Santonio combination though. It would be awesome listening to Sam Huff screw both those names up all year.
One theory I heard on the radio today was that, since Redskin QB's won't be too good and they'll be running for their lives and throwing balls all over the place, the Skins will run a lot of 10-WR formations.
I hope to god they do something to improve the offensive line.
Stallworth has chronically-injured hamstrings, and Stokely (if I'm remembering correctly) is hurt a lot.
Gaffney might be some help, though. I'm very glad they re-signed Santana Moss. He's a good team player and a good WR. I'm sad that they failed to complete a Santana/Santonio combination though. It would be awesome listening to Sam Huff screw both those names up all year.
One theory I heard on the radio today was that, since Redskin QB's won't be too good and they'll be running for their lives and throwing balls all over the place, the Skins will run a lot of 10-WR formations.
I hope to god they do something to improve the offensive line.
