I wish he would get calls for all the times he is held.
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***OFFICIAL*** Washington Redskins 2011 Season Thread (1 Viewer)
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Not much posting on this thread lately. Losing is discouraging. BUT, I have to say that I am at least encouraged by the continued fight of this team. Particularly with Williams and Davis out, no one thought we'd even be in the game vs. the Patriots. But, we really took them to the end. Helu is coming on; at least we don't have to draft a RB next year!
Anyone else encouraged a little about our play? I'm not saying the Redskins vault to the playoffs next year, but they do actually have some pieces on the team to build around. What can we do next year with another good draft?
Anyone else encouraged a little about our play? I'm not saying the Redskins vault to the playoffs next year, but they do actually have some pieces on the team to build around. What can we do next year with another good draft?
I'm very happy with the teams performance lately. Going into next year I feel they have a lot of complimentary pieces they are only a few playmakers away from being a pretty solid team.
ConfusedRealist
Footballguy
For everyone's sake, let's hope Shanahan agrees and they can stop with the ridiculous swapping of RBs for no apparent reason all season.
Sebowski
Footballguy
I think he liked Helu all along, but Helu just wasn't ready. Needed to show more in practice. Pick up blitzes, make reads, etc.. I can't argue at all with how Helu was handled with how he is playing right now.
Shanahan clearly likes Helu and is now giving him every shot to be the everydown back. And Helu is looks to be up to the task. Royster is also being given a chance to show what he can do. Torrain is obviously a forgotten man and was inactive yesterday. It is also unclear if Hightower will be recovered from his ACL injury by next year. So the RBs rate to be Helu, maybe Royster, maybe Hightower, and a rookie drafted in the lower round. This is my best guess.
Except for the play where Willie Smith was beaten and Rex's fumble gave the Pats a TD, Smith played decently. Tyler Polumbus also played decently. Locklear started the game at LT and was platooning with Smith. Smith played the whole 2nd half because they like what they saw.I am not annointing anyone a starter, but this is an encouraging sign for the depth on the OL. Of course, we could later find out that every OL looks ok against the Pats.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Todd Bowles named interim head coach for the Dolphins.
The_Man
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure it was Bowles who hung Barry Wilburn out to dry on this Super Bowl XXII play by not providing Safety help.
dgreen
Footballguy
I haven't rewatched the play, but I think Rex is mostly to be blame for the sack/fumble/TD. He usually gets rid of the ball quickly, but held on too long on that play.But, I agree with you that this is possibly an encouraging sign of some future depth on the OL.
crispus attucks
Footballguy
I'm very proud of the effort they've shown over the past 4 weeks
crispus attucks
Footballguy
that said, there is one guy who continues to humiliate himself...yet has a swag quotient that simply doesn't correlate to his play on the field.
he just was punked on ESPN's "c'mon man!" segment, and the internet is alive with stories of his being a spectator at the game he was supposedly playing:
PFT
mr irrelevant
he just was punked on ESPN's "c'mon man!" segment, and the internet is alive with stories of his being a spectator at the game he was supposedly playing:
PFT
mr irrelevant
For the most part, I thought the Redskins defense played pretty well, except there was one player they could not/would not tackle. It especially hurt because my opponent has Gronkowski on his team.
Rex did hold the ball too long. And apparently had little feel for the pass rush on that play.
I wanted to correct myself. Davis will be an unrestricted free agent. He will have 4 years of experience.I am hearing on the radio that Carlos Rogers believed that the Redskins won't pay their first round draft picks and basically decided to leave. They think Landry will do the same, and like Rogers, since a one-year show-me deal with another team.
pablito
Footballguy
But his words are hurtful. Maybe getting Orakpo'd doesn't really mean "sacked".
dgreen
Footballguy
Oh no, not "C'mon Man!" The horror!First of all, I agree with everyone on the planet that Hall should have helped out on Gronk and should not have thrown the flag back at the ref. But, I won't go as far as those who are trying to read into his intent on those plays. Trying to read what's inside a man is fairly difficult to do, yet everyone wants to do it.
dgreen
Footballguy
Not sure if it's "effort" or something else, but I'm glad they aren't being embarrassed each week. Offensively, I think Beck just took this team to a new low and that seemed to ripple throughout. I never got the sense that the locker room thought the switch was good and, most importantly, his play of the field was just ugly. Continually failing to get first downs is a killer. Which reminds me, I kept hearing so much criticism that Stallworth and Gaffney continue to play while Paul rarely gets looks. Everyone wants to evaluate Paul. What people seem to miss is: If Paul isn't ready to contribute on a regular basis, the offense could struggle more, failing to pick up first downs and reducing the number of plays they can run. When you reduce your time of possession and offensive plays, you reduce your ability to evaluate.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Agreed. In looking at the names across the offensive line this past week, most would have predicted (and some did) that they would not be able to do anything offensively. But the team managed 463 net yards, including 170 rushing yards at 5 ypa. That tells me the scheme is pretty effective, or the players are better than assumed, or both. Any way you cut that, it holds promise for a rebuilding team.
I'm still not convinced, though, that Shanahan had much of a choice after the Philly game but to give Beck a look. For all the praise he'd given Beck and how much confidence Shanahan publicly admitted to having in him, I think you have to give him a whirl following such a horrific performance by Grossman. I, also, find it hard to believe that the 3 games Beck started (in hindsight, he would have started 2 anyways due to Grossman being out) have done any irreparable damage. One of the tasks for this season, IMO, was to figure out what they already had at QB. You can't properly do that without putting Beck under center on game day. Now, under the assumption that they will continue to only hold 2 QBs, I think we can also assume that Grossman and a rookie QB will be on the roster next year.
dgreen
Footballguy
I hate to think that they made a "give him a look" or "give him a whirl" decision at 3-2. Yes, I agree, they weren't headed for the playoffs anyway, but I don't want to believe that they had that mentality at that stage of the season. Grossman was horrible that game. But, they had to know they were going to get one (or two) of those games with him. That's who he is. It shouldn't have been a surprise and shouldn't, IMO, have led to a change (especially using hindsight of what Beck was).
(Good point re: Grossman missing time anyway. Forgot about that.)I think they already knew (to an extent) what they had at QB. Beck has never produced in the NFL, didn't do much in the preseason, and I don't remember reading many good reviews out of training camp. I just don't get what he has shown at any point in his career that justified "giving him a whirl" or what made Shanahan believe it might work (if he even believed it might work). I mean, there are a ton of QBs sitting at home who we don't really know what they could do before getting a shot. But, for good reason, they don't get a shot.I don't know. I find it hard to believe Shanahan ever really thought Beck was capable of much. I have a hard time believing they were "giving him a whirl". I have a hard time believing they gave into some outside (fans, media, etc.) pressure to make the switch. I guess I just never understood the switch. And, I suppose, the most likely answer is that Shanahan actually did think it could work. He was a 2nd round pick, so I guess someone at some point thought he could be pretty good. Maybe he did look good in practices.
Agreed. As I said, I think a ton of fans are going to be pissed to see Grossman on the roster (possibly starting week 1) next year, but it's likely to happen and it's not that bad of a scenario while we wait for the rookie.
Well, Carlos Rodgers is hardly an unbiased source. I guess, I could see the Redskins struggling with the decision regarding whether to resign 30, because he cannot seem to stay healthy. That is a real concern and not just a matter of "the Redskins being jerks." That said, I kind of think they are just going to have to bite the bullet and resign Landry. The team still has enough holes and they don't need to add one more player they have to replace in the offseason. I say resign him if you can, and focus your offseason moves on more needy positions such as QB and OL. If you must pick up another safety, go for it, just don't but yourself in a desparation situation.
The other side of the equation: Landry may want to leave, like Rogers did. Fred Davis is a candidate for the franchise tag. It gives him one year to show he can stay clean. I found a website that says it will be about $5.4 M for a TE. Apparently franchise tag figures are all going down this year due to a change in the new CBA in how it is calculated.
dgreen
Footballguy
Shanahan has already said that players in Fred's upcoming situation are usually offered incentive-laden contract offers. I don't think the contract they offer him will much in the way of guarantees. I'm assuming a franchise tag contract would be guaranteed?
I believe the franchise tag becomes guaranteed once a player signs it. But if a player is suspended, they are suspended without pay. I doubt the franchise tag would guarnatee a salary while being suspended. If so, I don't see much risk in using the franchise tag on Davis. If they start talking about a multi-year contract with signing bonuses, roster bonuses, workout bonuses, etc., then the team needs to protect itself with in case the player gets suspended for a year.
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crispus attucks
Footballguy
you don't like ESPN's "C'mon Man!" segment? It's my favorite segment of the pre-game show.
dgreen
Footballguy
I used to watch a bunch of pregame and postgame shows, but I stopped enjoying them several years ago. I used to watch the local Saturday night Redskins shows, but I haven't watched one of those in years. Sometimes I'll catch some of the Comcast Redskins postgame show, though.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Landry going to IR. Gomes to start at SS for final 3 games.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Remember how lucky it seemed we were getting with injuries back in September? That was fun.This team is decimated. I wonder how many guys who were at the top of the depth chart during training camp will be starting on Sunday. Half? Less?
crispus attucks
Footballguy
crispus attucks
Footballguy
as much as I like Gomes -and his role should be to facilitate the unconditional release of #37 Reed - the team needs to 'take care of its own' and resign Landry.
I agree. The last couple of years with Landry's health have been rough though.
So right now it looks like The Skins lose the tiebreakers to the other 4-9 teams. Looks like they would have the 4th pick if the draft was today.
The 4-9 teams and worse are: Indy, St. Louis, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Miami, Jacksonville, Cleveland and Washington. Philly, KC and Buffalo are at 5-8.
I would expect Indy, Miami, Cleveland and Washington to be the only ones in the top 10 to be looking to go QB. So I suppose the good news is hopefully we should end up with Griffen or Barkley. I'd be happy with either.
The 4-9 teams and worse are: Indy, St. Louis, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Miami, Jacksonville, Cleveland and Washington. Philly, KC and Buffalo are at 5-8.
I would expect Indy, Miami, Cleveland and Washington to be the only ones in the top 10 to be looking to go QB. So I suppose the good news is hopefully we should end up with Griffen or Barkley. I'd be happy with either.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Hard to imagine a scenarios where we don't under up with either Griffin and Barkley. A surprising number of teams keeping us company at the bottom of the standings won't be looking for QBs. You could even argue that it might not be a top priority for Cleveland or Miami. I'd like to see them end up with Griffin simply for non-football reasons. I haven't seen enough of either option to offer an educated opinion on which will be the better QB. But I'm pretty sure that DC would fall in love with Griffin. His personality jumps off the screen, a great kid from a military family that everyone will get behind immediately. Barkley, on the other hand, strikes me as just another prototypical Southern California QB type that nobody really seems to root for. He may be a good kid, but he's not gonna generate the same kind of excitement and support.
If it ends this way and the Redskins get either Griffin or Barkley, in retrospect it will turn out that the front office may be in better shape than if they had taken a QB with their first round selection last year. Hindsight is 20-20, but before the draft, I remember Jason Lacanfora reporting that the Redskins would trade up to # 2 to pick Blaine Gabbert. Right now, Gabbert is not looking like a "QB of the future" (though anything can change I guess). If the Redskins front office staff realized that the QBs after Newton were not elite and decided to select Kerrigan -- who is working out -- then props to them for not reaching just for the sake of it. There are counter arguments, I know, but if the team is indeed on a long range, multi-year, rebuilding process, I wonder if we'll look back at this year and talk about the strides them made shoring up Defensive Line, adding a valuable RB,, etc. as a positive thing in balance. We'll see. But if it works out that they get Barkley or Griffith, then there is a good chance that in the long run they'll be stronger than if they reached for a QB this year. And all of this is contingent of course on them keeping the core nucleaus of coaches together and those coaches working out. We'll see.
I agree...they need to take a chance on Landry one more year at least...franchise tag? But I don't see the automatic need to release Doughty. He's not great, but as a backup, he may still be better than some other options.
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Doughty is a servicable backup at both SS and FS, special teams player, and a high character guy. I believe he is also playing for the NFL minimum. You don't replace a person like this until you know you have someone better.
I think both St. Louis and Jacksonville could be looking for a QB. From what I have heard, Luck, Barclay, and Griffin are all better prospects than Gabbert.
If St. Louis takes a QB that would be huge. Do they then deal Sam Bradford? He hasn't been a great QB this year, but there is no doubt he has tons of talent and would be a major upgrade for many teams. I could see JAX taking one because Gabbert has stunk, but taking another top 10 QB the year after taking one in the top 10...oy vey. But, with new ownership, you can get away with it probably -- i.e. "new day."Indy is a lock to take a QB in my opinion, probably LuckMiami? It sounds weird but if you are Miami do you entertain the thought of rolling with Moore? Hasn't he actually played pretty well since he's been in? With a new coach, though, they may want to go a new direction.I think Minnesota and Tampa Bay are set. Cleveland...any chance they roll with McCoy?There are a lot of wild cards in here. The worst case scenario for the Skins is if Luck, Barkley and Griffith all go before they pick. And if that happens, you may be looking at another trade down situation, with them taking next best available QB in the mid rounds and stocking up another 2nd or 3rd round pick?
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
This is where I am. Was happy to see them pass on Gabbert last year, showed restraint and the ability to plan beyond the next two seasons. It is odd that I'm far more optimistic about this team's future in what looks like it could be a 4-12 season than I was at any point during the long string of 6-10 and 7-9 and 9-7 seasons.
dgreen
Footballguy
I think there's nearly 0% chance Snyder does anything this offseason. Another 5-11 type season in 2012? Maybe he then does something. But, I'd guess (hope) that as long as the rookie QB shows signs during such a season, then he'd stay the course. I think Snyder will give Shanahan one more QB.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Personally, I'd rather they use the franchise tag on Fred Davis, if needed. I have a feeling that Landry may not even want to come back (just a gut feel based on how some of his disgruntled comments have sounded similar to Carlos Rogers before he left). I don't think it helps the the new locker room culture that's being established to have a guy around who doesn't want to be there (if that's true).And, as Keim has pointed out, what kind of contract are the 'Skins, or any other team, going to offer for a guy that's had problems staying on the field due to health issues?'MikeApf said:
I doubt Snyder does blows anything up this offseason. This season is exactly what most were predicting.
Agreed. They traded up for him and he got a mini-offseason. They'll give him at least 1 more year to prove he's a bust or not. It would help if they tried to upgrade his WRs too, they have a bad bunch there. I think the Skins are only competing with the Dolphins and possibly the Browns (Colts I assume are married to Luck despite what some reports say). I don't think there's anyway the Rams bail on Bradford, that's crazy talk.
I'm stoked going into this year's draft. The team has been fighting hard and coming together, a good solid offseason and this team could surprise next year.
I agree. I'm glad the team hasn't laid down and completely looked overmatched. They've been in these games and for the most part have been out-manned. I don't like cheering for losses, but this team needs it's franchise QB in the worst way. Scratching out some semi-meaningless wins right now might do more harm than good. They still have glaring issues on the OL and it seems corner is going to be an issue too.
There are also some good OL coming out too. Matt Kalil and Jonathan Martin should be pretty good as well. The top 10 of this draft should be pretty good.
