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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2013 Thread (1 Viewer)

In 2 of the last 3 games Brian Orakpo has 0 tackles.
I like him, but have wondered about his ability to change a game opposed to being just a complimentary player. He makes some great plays, but is that because of his talent or the lack of talent of the player who was supposed to block him??? Don't get me wrong, he surely is above average in talent, but not sure how much beyond that though...

 
I dont know what to think anymore. Is it coaches our front office? The Redskins have been bad for to long. DO we fold up shop again? Fatness please help us
What do you expect?

The Skins gave up 3 1sts and a 2nd for RGIII. Add that to the cap penalties and you can see why the overall talent level isn't that high. Sad thing is there is still another 1st to go to STL. It's gonna be tough to put enough offensive talent around RGIII AND fix the defense through UFA. It's gonna take a couple years.
Fair statement and most likely the crux of the issue. Considering that the OL and much of the offense was still in tact from last year, expectations were higher than what we've seen.

 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9893116/brandon-meriweather-washington-redskins-rips-brandon-marshall-vows-target-opposing-players-knees

Meriweather said he's going to start taking out people's knees now instead of aiming high. What a thug. How about keeping your head up when you make a tackle instead of spearing the person. I hope he injures himself before he injures another player. His 1 game suspension has taught him nothing. I hope the Redskins dump him as soon as they can. The NFC East has enough issues this year, we don't need a dirty player injuring all of our remaining talent.

 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9893116/brandon-meriweather-washington-redskins-rips-brandon-marshall-vows-target-opposing-players-knees

Meriweather said he's going to start taking out people's knees now instead of aiming high. What a thug. How about keeping your head up when you make a tackle instead of spearing the person. I hope he injures himself before he injures another player. His 1 game suspension has taught him nothing. I hope the Redskins dump him as soon as they can. The NFC East has enough issues this year, we don't need a dirty player injuring all of our remaining talent.
Clearly he's still upset that he was suspended and disagrees with the way the game is called. Bonehead thing to say, but he's just trying to place the emphasis on what others are doing in this game today too. The dumbest thing by saying it, if by chance he does hit someone low...and an injury does occur, now people will point to his comments and say It was clearly intentional. Being dumb and over reacting doesn't make him a thug though...

 
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I don't think the Redskin players understand yet that they're a bad team right now, with the exception of Garcon.

Brian McNally is apparently the writer who replaced Rich Campbell as the Washington Times beat reporter covering the Skins. This is the first article I've read of his, and the reason for my initial sentence: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2013/oct/28/initial-thoughts-and-observations-broncos-45-redsk/

“The cliché in this league is that your record says who you are and I just don’t believe we’re a 2-5 football team,” Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III said. “We prove it at times when we can get big leads and play with good teams like the Broncos are. We just let it get out of hand
“We always take pride in getting turnovers and getting our offense more opportunities. But still a loss,” linebacker Brian Orakpo said. “Guess we got to create more. I don’t know. It’s a weird game. A weird game because we had a lot of things that went our way and then they just caught fire for a little bit at the end.”
“I think we’ve had trouble passing all year, to tell you the truth. What do you think?” Garcon asked when pressed about how Washington failed to take advantage of one of the NFL’s worst pass defenses. When the reporter agreed with that assessment?

“Alright then. Shoot – doesn’t matter if we’re playing the worst team or our defense,” Garcon said. “If you suck at passing, you suck at passing. Just got to figure it out.”

And how, exactly, do you do that halfway through a season? This isn’t exactly a light switch a team can just flip. The Redskins have been off, for the most part, for the better part of seven games now. They are 2-5 for a reason.

“There was a lot of plays where the receivers and tight ends didn’t make [plays] where the quarterback made great plays,” Garcon said. “And there was plays where we didn’t block as well on the receivers’ end and we didn’t play our best. So it was not one person or one thing. It was a complete team. We dropped balls, we didn’t make plays, we didn’t block well. That’s football. You see it and try and go change it and move forward.”
 
This regime needs to go. Kyle can't call plays and his offense is uninspired. Haslett's defense--I don't even need to come up with a descriptor, we all know how bad it is. ST's are a joke every week. Allen is a figurehead--woohoo, PR and alumni relations! Mike can't build a talented team, and shouldn't be trusted with our draft.

So what's the point. Get them out of here. Start fresh. No re-treads. Start with a personnel guy who has never been a GM (but deserves it) let him hire his staff from the top down. Most importantly, again, no re-treads.
I think the current regime has a done a pretty good job drafting. Especially when contrasted against Cerrato. I'd hate to lose that.Don't forget to factor in the $18M cap hit for 2 years in a row.

I hate our playcalling, and our defensive scheming is inept, as is our special teams.

I'd probably keep Allen. I'd keep Mike if we could fire his son, seems unlikely that can be done though.
Just because they're better than Vinny Cerrato doesn't mean they're good.

Outside of hitting on our first rounders (Trent and Kerrigan, and trading up for RG3) and hitting on the Morris pick, what draft picks have impressed you? They're a bunch of JAGS.

We've had the cap penalty, but that's unrelated to our drafting; a bunch of the best, most sound franchises in the league only build through the draft and don't sign many big-ticket FA's.

Shanahan has had four years to build this team in his image. Especially when you focus on the drafts, he has done a poor job putting together a talented roster.

So Mike can't draft, Kyle can't call plays, Haslett sucks, Burns (ST's) sucks, and Allen is just a well-respected PR and numbers guy (which didn't stop the rest of the league from slamming us with an enormous cap penalty).

So why keep any of them? If you want, keep Allen, with a new title, as a cap/PR guy.

But we need a fresh personnel guy from within a top FO, and we need him to have the power to put together his coaching staff, with no re-treads.

The worst thing that could happen would be for us to hire yet another puppet GM and a HC who is given all the power. HC's also being the personnel guy rarely works.

 
Yeah, using Cerrato as a baseline for measuring achievement only makes sense for a losing mentality. The baseline shouldn't be "Did I wake up in the gutter covered by my own vomit?" It should be "do I have an adequate place to live and an adequate job".

 
Yeah, using Cerrato as a baseline for measuring achievement only makes sense for a losing mentality. The baseline shouldn't be "Did I wake up in the gutter covered by my own vomit?" It should be "do I have an adequate place to live and an adequate job".
Eventually. But, at some point in time, you realize that you haven't had the time and resources yet to get that far. The theory is Vinny and the cap penalties put this team in such a huge hole, that living in a van down by the river is about as good as can be expected right now. If true, then makes sense to still compare your van to the gutter.
 
I don't agree that 4 years is not enough time. 4 years is an eternity in the NFL.

Not the first or last time we've disagreed. :)

 
They obviously played over their heads last year. And they're playing well beneath their ability this year. Really disappointing
This pretty much sums it up for me. Before RG3 went down in the playoff game they looked awesome vs Seattle, who may have been the hottest team in the league at the time. They have pretty much been the polar opposite for most of this year - the contrast is staggering.

 
I dunno Conn, I think our drafts have been pretty solid since Shanny took over. You have Williams, Kerrigan, RG3, Morris, Reed (still early but looks legit), Riley, Helu, and maybe Amerson (he has played better recently). Then you have guys that have show something or have been hurt like Jarvis Jenkins, Aldrick Robinson, Hankerson (been improving),Phillip Thomas (looked decent in preseason), and Richard Crawford.

If anything, it looks like they are pretty good at identifying offensive talent moreso than defensive talent. I mean if we're adding 2 quality players a draft I can live with that. Every team will have some misses in the draft, but what's been nice for us since Shanny/Allen took over, it doesn't appear that we have missed on any 1st rounders, something Vinny can't say.

 
How about that Jim Haslett, huh?
Actually, since the Green Bay game, our defense hasn't really been an issue. Yes they didn't look good in the 2nd half of the Chicago game, so basically they've had 1 bad half of football over the last 5 games. I still don't think Haslett is the answer here, but the defense has turned it around lately.

 
I dunno Conn, I think our drafts have been pretty solid since Shanny took over. You have Williams, Kerrigan, RG3, Morris, Reed (still early but looks legit), Riley, Helu, and maybe Amerson (he has played better recently). Then you have guys that have show something or have been hurt like Jarvis Jenkins, Aldrick Robinson, Hankerson (been improving),Phillip Thomas (looked decent in preseason), and Richard Crawford.

If anything, it looks like they are pretty good at identifying offensive talent moreso than defensive talent. I mean if we're adding 2 quality players a draft I can live with that. Every team will have some misses in the draft, but what's been nice for us since Shanny/Allen took over, it doesn't appear that we have missed on any 1st rounders, something Vinny can't say.
Agree, we are seeing production from draft picks. This is not what we are used to seeing as Redskins fans. That said, they may not be over achieving for their draft spots on a whole, but they are still productive and worthy of a roster spot. It is the one thing I have been very pleased with since the Allen/Shanny take over.

 
I dunno Conn, I think our drafts have been pretty solid since Shanny took over. You have Williams, Kerrigan, RG3, Morris, Reed (still early but looks legit), Riley, Helu, and maybe Amerson (he has played better recently). Then you have guys that have show something or have been hurt like Jarvis Jenkins, Aldrick Robinson, Hankerson (been improving),Phillip Thomas (looked decent in preseason), and Richard Crawford.

If anything, it looks like they are pretty good at identifying offensive talent moreso than defensive talent. I mean if we're adding 2 quality players a draft I can live with that. Every team will have some misses in the draft, but what's been nice for us since Shanny/Allen took over, it doesn't appear that we have missed on any 1st rounders, something Vinny can't say.
This. Its been pretty good.

 
Is today the day Fred "sleepy" Davis is no longer a Redskin? I guess we'll see...
I think they're making Davis run wind sprints and timing him to see if he passes the fitness test like they did Haynesworth. That should enhance his trade value.

 
Is today the day Fred "sleepy" Davis is no longer a Redskin? I guess we'll see...
He wasn't traded, but apparently not due to a lack of trying.

A person familiar with the team’s planning had said as the deadline neared that the Redskins remained interested in trading Davis. But no deal was worked out and, unless the team reverses course and releases Davis, the Redskins now must try to figure out if there still is a role for the sixth-year NFL veteran to play for them this season.
 
He has to offer more to the team than Niles Paul, no? Paul isn't really used on kickoffs because they don't let him return the kicks and most kicks are touchbacks anyway. He doesn't get a ton of TE snaps and I've seen no evidence that he's particularly good at TE. Or maybe they consider Paul to be good on kick coverage?

 
I can't help but to wonder if Davis was caught partying or something and really pissed off the team or coaches. I mean, if he's healthy, you can't tell me he's not a better option in the passing game than everyone save Garcon and Reed.

 
Sad part is now a once promising TE for our team will leave in the offseason (or sooner) and we get nothing, but a few memories. If he fell out of favor, then the worst thing they did is not make him active...that let's every NFL team know that he is expendable and decide to just wait until you cut him. Stupid and lack of foresight for a person that is too experienced to not know.

 
Sad part is now a once promising TE for our team will leave in the offseason (or sooner) and we get nothing, but a few memories. If he fell out of favor, then the worst thing they did is not make him active...that let's every NFL team know that he is expendable and decide to just wait until you cut him. Stupid and lack of foresight for a person that is too experienced to not know.
But we get a compensatory pick based on the contract he signs, right? That's part of trade negotiations in the NFL. If a team offers a 7th rounder for him, the Redskins may prefer to let him hit the FA market, sign a contract, and see what comp pick they get. The Redskins probably would only accept an offer that is equal to what they expect to get in a comp pick.

 
I can't help but to wonder if Davis was caught partying or something and really pissed off the team or coaches. I mean, if he's healthy, you can't tell me he's not a better option in the passing game than everyone save Garcon and Reed.
Maybe, but it's also a numbers game. If the Redskins put Davis and Reed on the field at the same time in a 2 TE set, defenses can matchup pretty well against that because it's a sign Washington isn't running. Defenses can defend that with DBs instead of LBs and you lose the advantage of having Davis out there. Davis' value comes in having a LB trying to cover him. Having Paulsen out there in 2 TE sets keeps run/pass disguised. (Or having Young at FB with Reed also keeps things disguised.) Now, if Davis or Reed could become good blockers in the eyes of scouts, then I think that could work well.

However, all of that is really an argument about Davis vs Paulsen or Davis vs Reed. I think Davis loses out in those battles. As I said, I'm not sure I get Davis losing out to Paul if Paul isn't going to be used as a kick returner...unless he's good at coverage or blocking.

 
Sad part is now a once promising TE for our team will leave in the offseason (or sooner) and we get nothing, but a few memories. If he fell out of favor, then the worst thing they did is not make him active...that let's every NFL team know that he is expendable and decide to just wait until you cut him. Stupid and lack of foresight for a person that is too experienced to not know.
But we get a compensatory pick based on the contract he signs, right? That's part of trade negotiations in the NFL. If a team offers a 7th rounder for him, the Redskins may prefer to let him hit the FA market, sign a contract, and see what comp pick they get. The Redskins probably would only accept an offer that is equal to what they expect to get in a comp pick.
Great point, did not take that into consideration.

 
From the linked article above, here's what Kyle Shanahan said about Davis being inactive:

We always decide based on personnel, coverages, what packages we need to use, what tight ends we want in certain situations. We felt better with Logan and Jordan with a lot of stuff we were doing. Niles is a really good special teams player for us who can also help us on offense. If it was my choice, I would dress four tight ends every week. But it’s not just about the offense. You’ve got special teams. You’ve got defense. It’s a whole team and it’s tough to get four tight ends up. When we’re told we can only get three, it’s really on who we depend on for what we need to and who we can do better with.
So, because it's a Paul vs. Davis decision means it's a TE3 decision. Davis plays zero special teams. I'm pretty sure Paul is on both the kick and punt coverage teams, but even if it's only one or the other, it's more than Davis. And even if Paul is not used as a kick returner, he's willing and able to be part of the kick and punt return blocking units. As TE3, if you're not contributing on gameday on special teams, you're pretty much a wasted active roster spot.

 
From Football Oustiders, Paul (150) is just behind Reed Doughty (152) for the team lead in special teams snap counts. One way or another, he's pretty integral in the Redskins special teams play. Davis (12) has just a fraction of those snaps, and they all came in week 6, his last week active.

 
Good info. He hasn't stood out as making some amazing plays nor do I remember announcers talking about him the way they did Lorenzo Alexander. That doesn't mean he sucks, of course, but it makes it a bit harder to judge his ST value. The fact that he gets tons of snaps is an obvious indicator that the coaching staff feel he's one of their best. Good enough for me.

 
Sad part is now a once promising TE for our team will leave in the offseason (or sooner) and we get nothing, but a few memories. If he fell out of favor, then the worst thing they did is not make him active...that let's every NFL team know that he is expendable and decide to just wait until you cut him. Stupid and lack of foresight for a person that is too experienced to not know.
Unfortunately the Redskins have a history of telegraphing who they want to get rid of, resulting in lower or no trade value.

 
Niles Paul is considered one of the most solid players on Redskin special teams. They would keep him for that alone. Sadly he's not very good at anything else, but a good special teamer is valuable.

 
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Sad part is now a once promising TE for our team will leave in the offseason (or sooner) and we get nothing, but a few memories. If he fell out of favor, then the worst thing they did is not make him active...that let's every NFL team know that he is expendable and decide to just wait until you cut him. Stupid and lack of foresight for a person that is too experienced to not know.
Unfortunately the Redskins have a history of telegraphing who they want to get rid of, resulting in lower or no trade value.
I don't think this is fair, and I'm one of the biggest Shanahan detractors right now.

Shanahan has managed to salvage draft picks via trade for obvious screw ups like Haynesworth, McNabb, and Campbell.

So I don't think it's fair to say that he has a history of screwing himself out of trade value when he managed all three of those miracles.

 
Fred Davis spent some time talking to reporters yesterday about his time on the bench, and the Redskins tight end was candid about the accusation that he sleeps through team meetings.

“I’ve never slept through a whole meeting but I’ve nodded off,” Davis said, via Insider. “Everyone nods off. It’s dark in there. You’re watching film. You nod off. You wake up, get something to drink, go back. I’ve done that. I think everybody’s done that.”

You can say what you want about Fred Davis, but he’s always been painfully honest with the media.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/10/31/fred-davis-admits-to-falling-asleep-in-meetings/

 
dgreen said:
Matt Waldman on RG3

At this point, Griffin is about explosive as Aaron Rodgers.
I'm still reading. Good article so far.
Nice job by Waldman. I hadn't noticed them max protecting and only sending two receivers out - that is not going to work often with the receivers the redskins have.
I've noticed it quite a bit recently.

What I haven't seen, though, is the extra max protect guys eventually releasing for a check down. The Redskins' D gets killed on guys releasing when pressure doesn't come, but we never seem to do that on offense.

 
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Fred Davis spent some time talking to reporters yesterday about his time on the bench, and the Redskins tight end was candid about the accusation that he sleeps through team meetings.

“I’ve never slept through a whole meeting but I’ve nodded off,” Davis said, via Insider. “Everyone nods off. It’s dark in there. You’re watching film. You nod off. You wake up, get something to drink, go back. I’ve done that. I think everybody’s done that.”

You can say what you want about Fred Davis, but he’s always been painfully honest with the media.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/10/31/fred-davis-admits-to-falling-asleep-in-meetings/
Oh...Fred trying to make sure nobody takes his "sleepy" nickname from him. No worries buddy, nobody really wants that to be associated with them other than you.

 
From Football Oustiders, Paul (150) is just behind Reed Doughty (152) for the team lead in special teams snap counts. One way or another, he's pretty integral in the Redskins special teams play. Davis (12) has just a fraction of those snaps, and they all came in week 6, his last week active.
I am certain that Niles Paul plays on kickoff and punt coverage. He definately plays on kickoff returns as he is a deep person with Joshua Morgan. I think he is in there on punt returns, but I am not sure.

It probably adds up to more snaps than Davis would get as a TE3.

It is also good to see Davis got some special team snaps in week 6. Unfortunately, it is also an indication that he was not that good at it.

 
Fred Davis spent some time talking to reporters yesterday about his time on the bench, and the Redskins tight end was candid about the accusation that he sleeps through team meetings.

“I’ve never slept through a whole meeting but I’ve nodded off,” Davis said, via Insider. “Everyone nods off. It’s dark in there. You’re watching film. You nod off. You wake up, get something to drink, go back. I’ve done that. I think everybody’s done that.”

You can say what you want about Fred Davis, but he’s always been painfully honest with the media.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/10/31/fred-davis-admits-to-falling-asleep-in-meetings/
Oh...Fred trying to make sure nobody takes his "sleepy" nickname from him. No worries buddy, nobody really wants that to be associated with them other than you.
I think Chris Cooley referred to Dennis Morris, one of Shanahan's first Redskin draft picks, as Sleepy Morris. He went on to say it was obvious early on that Dennis Morris did not belong and he wouldn't make the team.

 
Sad part is now a once promising TE for our team will leave in the offseason (or sooner) and we get nothing, but a few memories. If he fell out of favor, then the worst thing they did is not make him active...that let's every NFL team know that he is expendable and decide to just wait until you cut him. Stupid and lack of foresight for a person that is too experienced to not know.
Unfortunately the Redskins have a history of telegraphing who they want to get rid of, resulting in lower or no trade value.
I don't think this is fair, and I'm one of the biggest Shanahan detractors right now.

Shanahan has managed to salvage draft picks via trade for obvious screw ups like Haynesworth, McNabb, and Campbell.

So I don't think it's fair to say that he has a history of screwing himself out of trade value when he managed all three of those miracles.
Trading players you no longer want usually does not get you much in draft picks. In fact, trades just don't happen that much in the NFL.

Davis has a big contract (over $5M for the season) and has not been used much. I suspect a 7th round pick would be the max you could get for him and Shanahan would probably take it. Trading Davis would also free up about $2.5M on the salary cap.

On compensatory draft picks, the pick you get is a ***ntion of the contract he signs. And it would be a 2015 pick. I doubt Davis signs a monster contract, so they are looking at something at the end of the 5th or 6th round. Also, the picks may be offset by free agents they sign. And with the cap penalties gone, the Redskins will almost certainly be spenders this offseason.

So I doubt the compensatory draft picks played a role in the decision to not trade Davis. I just don't think there were any takers.

 
The Redskins have 5 defensive/special teams TD's. Yet they're 2-5.
They are 29th in yards per game allowed and 31st in points per game allowed (and only .3 points ahead of the 32nd place Jags). 5 defensive TDs won't fix that.

 
Agreed. The team is just mostly bad. They haven't played one complete, good game yet. We talk about how they played this half well or how this unit played well but the other 2 units didn't, but they look like a bad team.

They could beat San Diego in a close game today if all units play decently, or they could easily lose in a blowout.

At the beginning of the season I thought they were a fundamentally decent football team that could withstand some setbacks and not fall too far due to underlying talent (and to a lesser extent coaching). I sure as hell haven't seen that team yet this year though. They make bad things happen in their games.

 
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In a few minutes, taking my seven year old daughter to her first home game today with her little girlfriend. Dad's are doing a little tailgating.

She hasnt asked me what the name Redskins means yet. :football:

 
In a few minutes, taking my seven year old daughter to her first home game today with her little girlfriend. Dad's are doing a little tailgating.

She hasnt asked me what the name Redskins means yet. :football:
It's a great day for it. I hope you are near folks that behave themselves. I'm not sure I've ever had a pleasant experience at FedEx and I'd probably rather take my 6 year old daughter to the Cantina in Mos Eisley. :) Hope you guys have fun.

 
In a few minutes, taking my seven year old daughter to her first home game today with her little girlfriend. Dad's are doing a little tailgating.

She hasnt asked me what the name Redskins means yet. :football:
My 5 year old daughter has not been to a game yet but last week she was watching the game with me on the couch and I thought I was going to have that moment. She says,"do you know what the guy on the Redskins helmet looks like?"- I'm thinking dear god, I'm about to have to explain the term Redskin to a 5 year old.

But she somewhat surprises me and says, "it looks like a president."

"A president," I asks.

"Yes, like the man here," and proceeds to show me the profile of George Washington on a quarter.

"You know what, you're right."

So there you have it. Another sign that Redskin is a term of respect and honor.

 
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Whats everyone expecting from RG3 today? Do they let him run, is he gonna throw a bunch of picks. Do they roll out better play calling for him to explode, whats up homers?

 
In a few minutes, taking my seven year old daughter to her first home game today with her little girlfriend. Dad's are doing a little tailgating.

She hasnt asked me what the name Redskins means yet. :football:
Have fun. My wife is on her way with our 6 year old.
 
I think this is a breakout game. I follow the Chargers a little bit out here and I just think we match up well with them. I haven't been confident about a game all year, but I am about this one.

 
I hope you're right.

Inactive list for today:

QB Rex Grossman, RB Chris Thompson, TE Fred Davis, G Josh LeRibeus, NT Chris Neild, LB Darryl Tapp, DB Jose Gumbs

 

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