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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

This isn't outright blaming Shanahan but I think we understand what Haslett is saying.

“There was a lot of stuff going on the last couple of months, probably more than I’ve ever experienced,” Haslett said Wednesday at the Senior Bowl, making his first public comments since Mike Shanahan was fired Dec. 30. “And I hope I never have to experience it again because I think it takes away [from preparation]. I felt bad for the players; they had to deal with it every day.”

Haslett, Washington’s defensive coordinator since 2010, was among a handful of assistants retained by new head coach Jay Gruden.

The Redskins’ 2013 season concluded with eight straight losses, starting quarterback Robert Griffin III on the bench and the perception that the organization was in disarray following a string of damaging and embarrassing media leaks.

“You didn’t give yourself a chance to win games down the stretch,” Haslett said. “You’re consumed with everything else but football. I love being around the players and being on the field. But once you’re off the field, then you have to go back and deal with all the distractions."

"Obviously," he added, "we’ll start fresh and won’t have those issues. Players will come in and they can worry about football.”

Asked about the toll it took on the team, Haslett reiterated that nothing in his previous three decades as a coach prepared him for the constant drama. “I’ve never experienced anything like it before,” he said. “It’s hard. It’s hard on the coaches. And, like I said, I felt bad for the players. They had deal with it every day.”
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Ted Mullins said:
Marvelous said:
If you all did not hear Adam Schefter on ESPN980 at lunch today. He said in the 2008 draft, the Redskins front office, including Vinny Cerrato, wanted to draft Jamaal Charles with the last of their 2nd round picks. But they were overruled by Snyder, who wanted Malcolm Kelley.
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Lol, worst part is we actually missed out on him twice - http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/19/jamaal-charles-was-once-almost-dealt-to-the-redskins/ - looks like we offered a fourth and they countered and asked for a third and we backed off. If you had Charles on your fantasy team around that time then you probably remember that Todd Haley really seemed to dislike him, or at least didn't think he could handle anywhere near a full load.

Really sucks because I personally think that of the guys from the last ~5 years he is second only to AP at his position talent-wise. Unreal burst and vision. 5 YPC or better every year, including a year over 6 YPC on 230 carries :tebow:
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I forgot about that from PFT. Just shows you why there was a lack of talent on the roster at the end of the Zorn era.

 
fatness said:
This isn't outright blaming Shanahan but I think we understand what Haslett is saying.

“There was a lot of stuff going on the last couple of months, probably more than I’ve ever experienced,” Haslett said Wednesday at the Senior Bowl, making his first public comments since Mike Shanahan was fired Dec. 30. “And I hope I never have to experience it again because I think it takes away [from preparation]. I felt bad for the players; they had to deal with it every day.”

Haslett, Washington’s defensive coordinator since 2010, was among a handful of assistants retained by new head coach Jay Gruden.

The Redskins’ 2013 season concluded with eight straight losses, starting quarterback Robert Griffin III on the bench and the perception that the organization was in disarray following a string of damaging and embarrassing media leaks.

“You didn’t give yourself a chance to win games down the stretch,” Haslett said. “You’re consumed with everything else but football. I love being around the players and being on the field. But once you’re off the field, then you have to go back and deal with all the distractions."

"Obviously," he added, "we’ll start fresh and won’t have those issues. Players will come in and they can worry about football.”

Asked about the toll it took on the team, Haslett reiterated that nothing in his previous three decades as a coach prepared him for the constant drama. “I’ve never experienced anything like it before,” he said. “It’s hard. It’s hard on the coaches. And, like I said, I felt bad for the players. They had deal with it every day.”
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There is one very clear message with all of the Redskins moves so far: it was all Mike Shanahan's fault. Get rid of Mike Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan, Slowik and Burns and everything will be better.

 
MattFancy said:
And Fred's career is essentially over. If no one wanted him last year, why would anyone offer him anything now?
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Pretty sure I saw Buffalo actually offered him multiple years and more money, but he stayed with the Skins. Obviously that didn't work out so well. I think he may still end up somewhere eventually, but he lost himself a TON of potential money these last few years.

edit - actually, now that I think about it you guys are probably right - this may be it for him as I assume another failed test would be a 1 year suspension??

 
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Ted Mullins said:
MattFancy said:
And Fred's career is essentially over. If no one wanted him last year, why would anyone offer him anything now?
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Pretty sure I saw Buffalo actually offered him multiple years and more money, but he stayed with the Skins. Obviously that didn't work out so well. I think he may still end up somewhere eventually, but he lost himself a TON of potential money these last few years.

edit - actually, now that I think about it you guys are probably right - this may be it for him as I assume another failed test would be a 1 year suspension??
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If he has talent, someone will probably give him a training camp tryout at the nfl minimum. As long as there is little risk, someone will take a flyer on him.

His reputation could really hurt him. The stories are getting out that he slept through meetings and was late to many practices.

 
As much as we want to pin so much on Shanny, it looks like Fred "Sleepy" Davis really earned the benching and deserved it. A chameleon can change it's colors, but it will always be a chameleon.

 
To be fair, we haven't heard what Davis is getting the 6-day suspension for.

During the season Chris Cooley said Shanahan was wrong for not doing what it took to get the best out of Davis (and each player), instead of the "my way or the highway" approach. Cooley said it's not that hard to figure out what makes players tick, what motivates them, and to play on that. He said Shanahan enjoyed ruining players careers if they didn't do things his way.

So Davis may be a slug but that he could have still been useful this year.

I'm just not believing it was a good idea for Shanahan to bench this or that guy. It became obvious that winning football games was less important than personal ego games when he benched Griffin.

 
fatness said:
To be fair, we haven't heard what Davis is getting the 6-day suspension for.

During the season Chris Cooley said Shanahan was wrong for not doing what it took to get the best out of Davis (and each player), instead of the "my way or the highway" approach. Cooley said it's not that hard to figure out what makes players tick, what motivates them, and to play on that. He said Shanahan enjoyed ruining players careers if they didn't do things his way.

So Davis may be a slug but that he could have still been useful this year.

I'm just not believing it was a good idea for Shanahan to bench this or that guy. It became obvious that winning football games was less important than personal ego games when he benched Griffin.
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The thing I don't get on Davis: he went from being a very good player, played on the franchise tag, then a one year contract, and early into this season, he is in the doghouse and can't get on the field. Something was working for Davis and the coaches liked him. And a year and a half later, it is the complete opposite.

They had a good thing going, and something changed.

 
Earnest Byner was not hired as RB coach. Randy Jordan was. Another Allen guy.

Former Redskins running back, and coach, Earnest Byner, had interviewed for the position. But the Redskins opted for Jordan. He played for the Oakland Raiders and then coached one year for them when current Redskins general manager Bruce Allen worked for the organization. Jordan was a special teams captain on the 2002 Raiders team that reached the Super Bowl.

Jordan has coached in college since leaving the Raiders after the 2003 season. He spent four years at the University of Nebraska followed by five years at Texas A&M. He spent the past two years at his alma mater, North Carolina.

That's the last position coach Jay Gruden needed to hire. Offensive coordinator Sean McVay said he will coach the quarterbacks.
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fatness said:
To be fair, we haven't heard what Davis is getting the 6-day suspension for.

During the season Chris Cooley said Shanahan was wrong for not doing what it took to get the best out of Davis (and each player), instead of the "my way or the highway" approach. Cooley said it's not that hard to figure out what makes players tick, what motivates them, and to play on that. He said Shanahan enjoyed ruining players careers if they didn't do things his way.

So Davis may be a slug but that he could have still been useful this year.

I'm just not believing it was a good idea for Shanahan to bench this or that guy. It became obvious that winning football games was less important than personal ego games when he benched Griffin.
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Agree 100% with that, but in fairness...Fred dropped in the draft because many questioned his off field, not as in he's a serious trouble maker, but as in where his head was at. I think the reservations keep showing up because he creates that opportunity. He clearly has talent, but seems to never do himself any favors. Can't blame him for staying in the doghouse and when Reed got hurt, I remember there was a game that Davis was still inactive or barely played...that was Shanny.

 
fatness said:
Earnest Byner was not hired as RB coach. Randy Jordan was. Another Allen guy.

Former Redskins running back, and coach, Earnest Byner, had interviewed for the position. But the Redskins opted for Jordan. He played for the Oakland Raiders and then coached one year for them when current Redskins general manager Bruce Allen worked for the organization. Jordan was a special teams captain on the 2002 Raiders team that reached the Super Bowl.

Jordan has coached in college since leaving the Raiders after the 2003 season. He spent four years at the University of Nebraska followed by five years at Texas A&M. He spent the past two years at his alma mater, North Carolina.

That's the last position coach Jay Gruden needed to hire. Offensive coordinator Sean McVay said he will coach the quarterbacks.
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Interesting, don't know much about him. Too bad Byner isn't coming back, but hope they got a guy they think is best for the job and are comfortable with..

 
With the hiring of Jordan, pretty much all of the "important" coaching staff members are on board now. Keim gives a brief rundown of each; I've just pasted the names.

Head coach: Jay Gruden

Offensive coordinator: Sean McVay

Quarterbacks: McVay

Running backs: Randy Jordan

Wide receivers: Ike Hilliard

Tight ends: Wes Phillips

Offensive line: Chris Foerster

Defensive coordinator: Jim Haslett

Defensive line: Jacob Burney

Inside linebackers: Kirk Olivadotti

Outside linebackers: Brian Baker

Secondary: Raheem Morris

Special teams: Ben Kotwica
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fatness said:
Alfred Morris led all receivers in the Pro Bowl?
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I don't watch the Pro Bowl, but I think it is telling that Morris was much more involved in the passing game with Cousins as QB compared to RGIII. It showed that RGIII did not check the play down or did not go through his progressions far enough to get to Morris. Instead, he would take off and run.

Could Morris be or develop into a decent pass catcher?

 
Marvelous said:
fatness said:
Alfred Morris led all receivers in the Pro Bowl?
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I don't watch the Pro Bowl, but I think it is telling that Morris was much more involved in the passing game with Cousins as QB compared to RGIII. It showed that RGIII did not check the play down or did not go through his progressions far enough to get to Morris. Instead, he would take off and run.

Could Morris be or develop into a decent pass catcher?
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Morris actually looked ok catching the ball in the pro bowl. I hope they do develop him as a pass catcher as well.

 
Oh I agree. It's just ridiculous to me how the whole "get a 1st rounder for Cousins" stuff built up, and was taken seriously, during the latter part of the season among people who don't like Griffin and don't follow the Redskins. And when Shanahan said it out loud I knew he was truly desperate and wanted out.

Cousins is a decent young backup who's still learning and who's liked by players and coaches, and he's relatively cheap. Those are guys you keep.

 
fatness said:
Oh I agree. It's just ridiculous to me how the whole "get a 1st rounder for Cousins" stuff built up, and was taken seriously, during the latter part of the season among people who don't like Griffin and don't follow the Redskins. And when Shanahan said it out loud I knew he was truly desperate and wanted out.

Cousins is a decent young backup who's still learning and who's liked by players and coaches, and he's relatively cheap. Those are guys you keep.
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I never understood the rationale for trading Cousins. If he is good, keep him and he will be worth more later after he has played more. If you value him more than other teams, you need to keep him.

The only reason to trade him is someone has fallen in love with him and wants to give you far more than you know he is worth. And keeping and playing him will subsequently show that his in not worth that much. That is not a ringing endorsement of Cousins.

Next offseason, when he has one year left on his rookie contract, is the earliest I would ever think of trading him.

 
Marvelous said:
fatness said:
Oh I agree. It's just ridiculous to me how the whole "get a 1st rounder for Cousins" stuff built up, and was taken seriously, during the latter part of the season among people who don't like Griffin and don't follow the Redskins. And when Shanahan said it out loud I knew he was truly desperate and wanted out.

Cousins is a decent young backup who's still learning and who's liked by players and coaches, and he's relatively cheap. Those are guys you keep.
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I never understood the rationale for trading Cousins. If he is good, keep him and he will be worth more later after he has played more. If you value him more than other teams, you need to keep him.

The only reason to trade him is someone has fallen in love with him and wants to give you far more than you know he is worth. And keeping and playing him will subsequently show that his in not worth that much. That is not a ringing endorsement of Cousins.

Next offseason, when he has one year left on his rookie contract, is the earliest I would ever think of trading him.
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Agreed. I think you move him in the last year of his rookie deal. I seriously doubt he would be coming back since it sounds like he wants a chance to start. So if you can trade him next offseason for something, that's when you would do it.

 
Cousins for 1st or 2nd was silly talk and after his 3 game performance, just plain ol crazy talk. On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if we got two new starting safeties via FA either. Of course, we'll get at least one new CB, but possibly two also. ILB is a need for sure...upside to cap penalty is we got the $$$ to get some goods. I just hope they spend wisely.

 
RGIII HTTR said:
Cousins for 1st or 2nd was silly talk and after his 3 game performance, just plain ol crazy talk. On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if we got two new starting safeties via FA either. Of course, we'll get at least one new CB, but possibly two also. ILB is a need for sure...upside to cap penalty is we got the $$$ to get some goods. I just hope they spend wisely.
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I thought I heard something about Merriweather's contract expiring. Does anyone know anything about this?

All off season, I heard on sportstalk what a difference maker Merriweather was. He played just about the whole season, and I did not see it. He was competent, which is a huge step up from the other safeties on the roster, but he was no the big impact player. Then I heard Cooley say the free safety frequently lines up 25 yards off the line of scrimmage and is not in position to make plays most of the time.

 
Merri's is plenty fast and has good instincts, but his biggest impact on a defense is that offensive skill position players are very fearful of getting hit by him. I can't locate the documentation, but it's out there that he's one of those guys who's universally dreaded, and that makes him a difference-maker capable of affecting offensive game plans.That can make a difference, as it inhibits their concentration when attempting to catch the ball, and can affect their route running as well, and neither of those are bad things. I think he's a starting DB on a team with a solid pass rush, and were the 'skins able to upgrade in that area, I'd be happy to have him in the back 4. Like most DB's, and especially average joes like we have, they look worse than they are when the pass rush is weak to non-existent...

Oh, and Kyle has been hired by the Browns to be their OC. Guess he'll show us...

 
Marvelous said:
All off season, I heard on sportstalk what a difference maker Merriweather was. He played just about the whole season, and I did not see it. He was competent, which is a huge step up from the other safeties on the roster, but he was no the big impact player. Then I heard Cooley say the free safety frequently lines up 25 yards off the line of scrimmage and is not in position to make plays most of the time.
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I think Merriweather looked better than the other DB's except Hall, which is like Shanahan's personnel choices looking better than Cerrato's. He did not look like a difference maker to me either.

The only difference makes I saw on defense this year were Hall, and Orakpo occasionally near the end of the year. And I think Amerson looks like he may be one in the future.

I would love to see how Phillip Thomas played if he hadn't been hurt all year. Same with Richard Crawford.

 
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Merriweather could be retained and he's not a liability, so I'll take that. I think if they have the chance, he will get upgraded as Merriweather's flaw is giving up personal penalties for his hits. That is why, we very well could have two new safeties.

LOL, if Kyle couldn't get away from a dysfunctional organization quick enough...he landed in one that has a tenure of dysfunction.

 
RGIII HTTR said:
LOL, if Kyle couldn't get away from a dysfunctional organization quick enough...he landed in one that has a tenure of dysfunction.
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I thought that too and was ready to laugh a bit more about it. But there's a decent chance the Browns are again better than the Redskins next year, so maybe Kyle's not so dumb.

 
With absolutely nothing going their way last night, I can empathize with Broncos fans. I felt like the Super Bowl was a rerun of numerous games I've watched this year. Did anyone else feel like they were watching yet another fiasco of a Redskins game last night?

 
The Bills and Broncos come across as very similar in SB performances...great seasons where they appear to dominate, yet fall flat in the big game. Of course, Broncos have won it before, but this impression sticks with these two teams more than anyone else IMO.

 
Sidewinder16 said:
With absolutely nothing going their way last night, I can empathize with Broncos fans. I felt like the Super Bowl was a rerun of numerous games I've watched this year. Did anyone else feel like they were watching yet another fiasco of a Redskins game last night?
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:lmao:

Had the same thought and it was even more pronounced since I hate Seattle and was rooting hard for Denver. On some level, it was like I was watching a Redskins game. Every additional mistake had me thinking, "Nothing is going right today and they can't even get a couple good plays to make this look respectable."

 
The five or six missed tackles on the Kearse TD (think it was Kearse?) was very reminiscent of the Skins D the last few years.

 
Redskins have started talking to Orakpo, Hall, and Riley about extending.

Possible cuts/renegotiations/savings include Bowen, Chester, Carriker, Montgomery, Polumbus, Rocca. I'm not seeing one name on that list who I strongly want to keep. It would help if the young backup OL players looked hopeful but they do not.

 
They'll want to roster at least 8 OL on the final 53-man roster, so they have to come from somewhere. If we don't like 4/5 of last year's starters and the depth isn't good enough to step in, it's going to be tough to fill all those spots with capable guys through FA and the draft. In other words, I think we might have to keep one or two of those starters and hope the coaches can get something out of a reserve.

 
dgreen said:
They'll want to roster at least 8 OL on the final 53-man roster, so they have to come from somewhere. If we don't like 4/5 of last year's starters and the depth isn't good enough to step in, it's going to be tough to fill all those spots with capable guys through FA and the draft. In other words, I think we might have to keep one or two of those starters and hope the coaches can get something out of a reserve.
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Good point! :thumbup:

 
Part of moving forward is preparing for next season with a fully healthy Robert Griffin III and a new coaching staff and offensive system. In order to hit the ground running, Garçon told Redskins.comTV that he had already scheduled trips to work out with Griffin III during the offseason.

"We've already got that date set up. We've already got a place," he said with a grin. "We’re going to go to Arizona, work out there. We’ll probably do some more in Ashburn. Probably go to Baylor a little bit. We’re definitely going to be around. Probably go to Miami. I’m trying to talk him into going to Miami. South Florida is home. I don’t mind going to Arizona, going to Baylor, going to different places. I enjoy traveling."
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http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Gar%C3%A7on-Griffin-III-Workouts-Already-Booked/d6776322-f7c0-4a62-9f0d-21b5010c33e1

 
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They'll want to roster at least 8 OL on the final 53-man roster, so they have to come from somewhere. If we don't like 4/5 of last year's starters and the depth isn't good enough to step in, it's going to be tough to fill all those spots with capable guys through FA and the draft. In other words, I think we might have to keep one or two of those starters and hope the coaches can get something out of a reserve.
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Chris Cooley has repeatedly said that OL grades out better than people think it will. He said the looked better with Cousins playing QB since they knew where Cousins would be.

I think Chester is a no brainer to cut. He is a weak guard and a $3M salary. It will be hard to justify the expense.

Polumbus will make $900k next year. That is a lot easier to keep.

Figures are from here: http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php?search=TotalCapHitNext

 
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