***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (2 Viewers)

[fatness]

As Allen’s conference was winding down, a television reporter with a history of asking confrontational questions raised his hand and was handed a microphone, at which point communications director Tony Wyllie signaled to end the meeting. The reporter, WUSA-TV’s Dave Owens, waved off the team employee trying to retrieve the microphone; Wyllie then walked over and, after a brief tug of war, pulled the microphone from Owens’s hand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahans-final-day-at-redskins-park-is-symbolically-bizarre/2013/12/30/f69efc28-7199-11e3-9389-09ef9944065e_story.html

the team ordered pre-emptive measures presumably meant to reduce unnecessary attention — but in the process attracted far more. Days like this reveal many NFL franchises’ undeniable, over-the-top silliness and protectiveness of information that, in reality, no one is even all that interested in.

Reporters, for instance, weren’t allowed to stand in the parking lot between the media building and the team facility after Snyder and Shanahan arrived. The team assigned two public-relations interns to patrol the area, assigning them walkie-talkies and instructions to keep doors and window shades closed. Reporters therefore watched and shot video through uncovered windows and slits between curtain and sill, and when one of the shades came detached from a doorway, a team employee tried to reattach it with several strips of Scotch tape.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Stuff that needs to be posted here, saw it somewhere else:

Cooley I thought dropped a few interesting nuggets today when Chris Russell was on.

1. They both got into a conversation about Danny Smith having a good relationship with

Dan Snyder and might be seriously considered for HC.

2. Cooley seemed to reveal an off the record conversation he had with a good source saying that RG3 sensed that Shanny had issues with him, but Shanny would never confront him about it or even ever have a conversation with him one on one. Ulitmately RG3 was mystified that Shanny didn't come to him and try to work things out whatever those things were. Cooley said that Shanny is a passive aggressive type. He avoids one on one confrontation. In another show Cooley said Shanny likes doing his dirty work via media leaks.

3. Danny Smith who Cooley revelaed was one of his closest confidants on the team -- left becuase Shanny was the only coach who never gave him the option to pick players for special teams. In other words, even if Danny thought a player was a stud for special teams, it didn't ensure that he'd make the roster. Smith thought Shanny didn't emphasize building special teams like the previous coaches and forsaw problems in the future becuase of it.

 

[T Bell]

And so long as Snyder didn't bring Vinny back in some capacity, it's all good...

I wonder if they still talk.

Only after sex. Before that, it's all angry business.

 

[Marvelous]

Stuff that needs to be posted here, saw it somewhere else:

Cooley I thought dropped a few interesting nuggets today when Chris Russell was on.

1. They both got into a conversation about Danny Smith having a good relationship with

Dan Snyder and might be seriously considered for HC.

2. Cooley seemed to reveal an off the record conversation he had with a good source saying that RG3 sensed that Shanny had issues with him, but Shanny would never confront him about it or even ever have a conversation with him one on one. Ulitmately RG3 was mystified that Shanny didn't come to him and try to work things out whatever those things were. Cooley said that Shanny is a passive aggressive type. He avoids one on one confrontation. In another show Cooley said Shanny likes doing his dirty work via media leaks.

3. Danny Smith who Cooley revelaed was one of his closest confidants on the team -- left becuase Shanny was the only coach who never gave him the option to pick players for special teams. In other words, even if Danny thought a player was a stud for special teams, it didn't ensure that he'd make the roster. Smith thought Shanny didn't emphasize building special teams like the previous coaches and forsaw problems in the future becuase of it.

I heard part of the Danny Smith talk on the radio. Chris Russell said Bruce Allen's comments certainly left open the possibility that a special teams coordinator would be considered. Cooley said for 1 1/2 years, Danny Smith was the only coach who he could go into his office and talk. And Cooley did not work with Danny Smith much. Not a particularly good statement about the Jim Zorn era.

Cooley also said guys will run through walls for Danny Smith. He is a straight shooter and you know where you are at with him. He also is very aware of all that goes on the field. Gave Gibbs and Zorn advice on the field about clock management and anything else. Shanahan did not want that type of input from Smith.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Stuff that needs to be posted here, saw it somewhere else:

Cooley I thought dropped a few interesting nuggets today when Chris Russell was on.

1. They both got into a conversation about Danny Smith having a good relationship with

Dan Snyder and might be seriously considered for HC.

2. Cooley seemed to reveal an off the record conversation he had with a good source saying that RG3 sensed that Shanny had issues with him, but Shanny would never confront him about it or even ever have a conversation with him one on one. Ulitmately RG3 was mystified that Shanny didn't come to him and try to work things out whatever those things were. Cooley said that Shanny is a passive aggressive type. He avoids one on one confrontation. In another show Cooley said Shanny likes doing his dirty work via media leaks.

3. Danny Smith who Cooley revelaed was one of his closest confidants on the team -- left becuase Shanny was the only coach who never gave him the option to pick players for special teams. In other words, even if Danny thought a player was a stud for special teams, it didn't ensure that he'd make the roster. Smith thought Shanny didn't emphasize building special teams like the previous coaches and forsaw problems in the future becuase of it.

I heard part of the Danny Smith talk on the radio. Chris Russell said Bruce Allen's comments certainly left open the possibility that a special teams coordinator would be considered. Cooley said for 1 1/2 years, Danny Smith was the only coach who he could go into his office and talk. And Cooley did not work with Danny Smith much. Not a particularly good statement about the Jim Zorn era.

Cooley also said guys will run through walls for Danny Smith. He is a straight shooter and you know where you are at with him. He also is very aware of all that goes on the field. Gave Gibbs and Zorn advice on the field about clock management and anything else. Shanahan did not want that type of input from Smith.

It's very telling, because Cooley has been very open about the fact that he HATED special teams.

 

[fatness]

I heard part of the Danny Smith talk on the radio. Chris Russell said Bruce Allen's comments certainly left open the possibility that a special teams coordinator would be considered.

I think Bill Cowher was a special teams coach.

 

[fatness]

One more reason Alfred Morris is my favorite player.

 

[MattFancy]

I don't understand the Cowher talk. Everyone has always said he would go somewhere where he would have full control. After the Allen presser, it doesn't sound like the next HC will have full control.

I also don't buy the Briles talk, think it's media driven. Why would he leave Baylor? He's getting paid $4M/yr there after his extension. So Snyder would have to pay him at least $5M probably to make it worth it. I don't see him paying that much money for a guy with no NFL experience.

 

[fatness]

The Redskins aren’t interested in fixing a key part of their organization that is clearly broken. Although there’s no way to justify maintaining the front-office structure of a 3-13 team that has had a 15-year run of mediocrity under owner Daniel Snyder, Allen tried while declaring all is well during a Redskins Park news conference.


“We believe that we have the right people in place” in the front office, said Allen, who lacks a strong scouting background but will now have the final say in football matters. “We’re very confident where we’re going to go with them.”

Washington has occupied the division’s basement five of the past six seasons. The handwriting is on the wall in big letters: The Redskins need new leadership in top management.

Allen is great at shaking hands and kissing babies, but he doesn’t possess the player evaluation chops to overhaul a roster in disrepair. He would be best at managing the Redskins’ business operation as the team president, an NFL player-personnel executive who once worked with Allen told me. I agree.

If Snyder were serious about finally trying to set the Redskins along a good path, he would promote Allen, hire a general manager who served in a high-ranking position on a successful team and give him the power to hire a coach and construct the roster. Of course, in such a scenario, Snyder would be relegated to the sidelines again, which is where he largely was the past four years.

Jason Reid, who was the guy at the press conference yesterday asking the tough questions about front office failure.

Reid and Rich Campbell (listening to him now) both think this new front office setup is primed for Snyder to start choosing personnel again. The only person who can stop Snyder from doing that is Snyder. Bruce Allen didn't keep his job by standing up to Snyder.

I guess we'll see how it goes. Snyder might stay out, Brown and Campbell might end up with personnel authority. But we all know how things have gone since Snyder has been here.

And why oh why are they talking about bringing Danny Smith back?

 

[fatness]

Why is Haslett still with the Skins? That seems a lot like a "keep this guy" message to the new head coach. And Haslett has never been good as DC.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Why is Haslett still with the Skins? That seems a lot like a "keep this guy" message to the new head coach. And Haslett has never been good as DC.

Basically all the Shanahan coaches were fired immediately, the others left for next coach. Word is there is no way Haz stays on, so it's just a matter of time.

 

[MattFancy]

Why is Haslett still with the Skins? That seems a lot like a "keep this guy" message to the new head coach. And Haslett has never been good as DC.

Think it has to do with money. He's owed the most of the guys left, so instead of throwing him out too, see if the new HC wants him around. If not, he'll be gone.

 

[Marvelous]

Stuff that needs to be posted here, saw it somewhere else:

Cooley I thought dropped a few interesting nuggets today when Chris Russell was on.

1. They both got into a conversation about Danny Smith having a good relationship with

Dan Snyder and might be seriously considered for HC.

2. Cooley seemed to reveal an off the record conversation he had with a good source saying that RG3 sensed that Shanny had issues with him, but Shanny would never confront him about it or even ever have a conversation with him one on one. Ulitmately RG3 was mystified that Shanny didn't come to him and try to work things out whatever those things were. Cooley said that Shanny is a passive aggressive type. He avoids one on one confrontation. In another show Cooley said Shanny likes doing his dirty work via media leaks.

3. Danny Smith who Cooley revelaed was one of his closest confidants on the team -- left becuase Shanny was the only coach who never gave him the option to pick players for special teams. In other words, even if Danny thought a player was a stud for special teams, it didn't ensure that he'd make the roster. Smith thought Shanny didn't emphasize building special teams like the previous coaches and forsaw problems in the future becuase of it.

I heard part of the Danny Smith talk on the radio. Chris Russell said Bruce Allen's comments certainly left open the possibility that a special teams coordinator would be considered. Cooley said for 1 1/2 years, Danny Smith was the only coach who he could go into his office and talk. And Cooley did not work with Danny Smith much. Not a particularly good statement about the Jim Zorn era.

Cooley also said guys will run through walls for Danny Smith. He is a straight shooter and you know where you are at with him. He also is very aware of all that goes on the field. Gave Gibbs and Zorn advice on the field about clock management and anything else. Shanahan did not want that type of input from Smith.

It's very telling, because Cooley has been very open about the fact that he HATED special teams.

I heard Cooley say this. He also said you need to go all out on special teams and there are players (Morgan) or don't want to be out there.

I don't think Cooley played special teams until last year (2012). But he apparently liked Smith from early on and was the only coached he was comfortable with during the presumed Zorn years.

 

[VaTerp]

I simply don't get nor understand why people hate Dan Snyder. The guy just wants his team to win.

Prior to the past four years I've hated him for his meddling. This go around with Shanny he did everything fans have been asking, backed off and let the football people run things.

This is my point.

He goes out and gets an established coach with a history of winning.

He backs off and lets football minded people make football decisions.

People still rip him.

I really felt like Shanahan deliberately tanked this season.

People still hate Dan Snyder because (1) a once proud and 3 time Super Bowl Championship franchise has the 5th worst winning percentage in the league since he has been the owner (2) he has commercialized the franchise to the extent that even other greedy NFL owners don't dare to do and (3) he has repeatedly demonstrated that he is a world class d-bag.

I don't blame him specifically for the Shanny era. It was a good hire and by most accounts, Snyder, stayed out of the way more the he ever had before. But that doesnt change the fact that he is the owner of a franchise that has become completely dysfunctional, chronically inept, and downright abusive of one of the best fan bases in all of pro sports.

I could go on and on with specifics on Snyder's d-baggery but all you need to do is look at how the team has handled the media the last two days in the wake of Shanny's firing.

So it's easy to say, "he just wants his team to win." But I'm not giving him credit for that. He's supposed to want to win. How about actually......................winning. Or at least creating a franchise culture conducive to winning. By all accounts Dan Snyder has failed at that for 15 years. And he still refuses to bring in a strong quality GM to really run the football operations.

Shannahan is to blame for his lack of success over the last 4 years. Dan Snyder is to blame for an overall franchise culture that has been toxic for the better part of his tenure as the owner.

 

[fatness]

Redskins will interview Bevell.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000307493/article/redskins-plan-to-interview-seahawks-oc-darrell-bevell?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Good.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

Baylor’s Art Briles on speculation on Washington Redskins job: “I don’t have a missed call from Dan Snyder do I? Nope.”

Baylor’s Art Briles said he hasn’t interviewed for a NFL job, but he is intrigued with the idea of bringing Baylor’s offense to the NFL.

Art Briles said he hasn’t talked with anybody - college or NFL - about a coaching opening.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Jason Reid, who was the guy at the press conference yesterday asking the tough questions about front office failure.

That article, along with this one, just remind me why there is nothing really to hope for here, no matter who is hired as coach. This organization is flawed and dysfunctional from the top down.

 

[fatness]

Jason Reid, who was the guy at the press conference yesterday asking the tough questions about front office failure.

That article, along with this one, just remind me why there is nothing really to hope for here, no matter who is hired as coach. This organization is flawed and dysfunctional from the top down.

There's nothing during all of Snyder's ownership I can point to and say "this should change your mind". There just isn't.

But looking for some sign of hope, here goes: the Skins now have one person in charge of football --- Bruce Allen. Not Mike Shanahan, who we saw fail on the field, fail in personnel choices, fail in choosing good coaching staff, fail at dealing with good players. It's Bruce Allen now.

Bruce Allen yesterday said (between the lines) that Brown and Campbell were good at scouting and had been ignored, and he'd be listening to them more.

Bruce Allen is interviewing head coaching candidates.

So really, if Allen chooses a HC well, and if he listens to his personnel people (or cans them if they're bad), the setup isn't a bad one.

IF Snyder stays out of it.

 

[fatness]

Thom Loverro just said Allen isn't qualified to be a GM, that he's merely a better-spoken Vinnie Cerrato who has the job because he's tight with Snyder.

.

 

[dgreen]

Baylor’s Art Briles said he hasn’t interviewed for a NFL job, but he is intrigued with the idea of bringing Baylor’s offense to the NFL.

That's what Spurrier said, too, in his first press conference. He was asked why he finally decided to give the NFL a try and he said he wanted to see if his offense could work at that level.

IF Briles is a candidate, I hope he has more reasons than that.

 

[lod01]

Baylor’s Art Briles said he hasn’t interviewed for a NFL job, but he is intrigued with the idea of bringing Baylor’s offense to the NFL.

That's what Spurrier said, too, in his first press conference. He was asked why he finally decided to give the NFL a try and he said he wanted to see if his offense could work at that level.

IF Briles is a candidate, I hope he has more reasons than that.

Gotta figure a few (at a minimum) of college coaches right now see Chip Kelly doing well and their egos are going to get the best of them. However, I'm all for new ideas instead of the old stale Kubiak/KillDrive/Koeeter/etc offenses.

 

[fatness]

Good news.

There's no need to throw Jon Gruden's name into the mix for the Vikings job or any other NFL head coaching position that became available Monday.

In a telephone interview with the Pioneer Press, Gruden said he's content in his job as an ESPN analyst and plans to continue in that role.

"I don't want to be considered for any of these jobs," said Gruden who won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay after the 2002 season but hasn't coached since 2008. "I don't want to be considered for anything. There are plenty of good candidates out there. I'm just sick for the guys who can no longer coach their teams. ... I'm hoping to do the best I can to hang on to my job."

 

[dgreen]

Redskins will interview Bevell.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000307493/article/redskins-plan-to-interview-seahawks-oc-darrell-bevell?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Good.

During the Zorn debacle, there were a few coordinators who interviewed and then signed extensions with their current teams to remain coordinators and removed themselves from consideration. If that starts happening, we know we're in for another tough search. It should NEVER be difficult to find someone to coach your NFL team.

I have no idea if Bevell is a good pick or not, but I just hope he doesn't remove himself from the search. That would be embarrassing.

 

[dgreen]

Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter

Panthers DC Sean McDermott is scheduled to interview with Redkins this weekend in Charlotte, NC.

 

[fatness]

Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter

Panthers DC Sean McDermott is scheduled to interview with Redkins this weekend in Charlotte, NC.

Good.

 

[fatness]

Some of you might want to offer information and opinion here, since you're as familiar as anyone with Shanahan.

 

[MattFancy]

Bevell and McDermott seem like good starts for the Skins. I really like Bevell, but if we went with a defensive guy, McDermott might not be a bad choice.

 

[dgreen]

Jason La CanforaVerified account ‏@JasonLaCanfora

Doug Williams former teams, Bucs and Skins, both could use some personnel help. Hmm: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24393330/bucs-redskins-both-seeking-direction-could-use-doug-williams-help …

 

[Marvelous]

Redskins will interview Bevell.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000307493/article/redskins-plan-to-interview-seahawks-oc-darrell-bevell?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Good.

During the Zorn debacle, there were a few coordinators who interviewed and then signed extensions with their current teams to remain coordinators and removed themselves from consideration. If that starts happening, we know we're in for another tough search. It should NEVER be difficult to find someone to coach your NFL team.

I have no idea if Bevell is a good pick or not, but I just hope he doesn't remove himself from the search. That would be embarrassing.

Both Jim Schwartz and Steve Spagnuolo turned downed offers from the Redskins and returned to their team as a coordinator. They were both offered HC positions the following year. We now know how they turned out.

 

[Marvelous]

Thom Loverro just said Allen isn't qualified to be a GM, that he's merely a better-spoken Vinnie Cerrato who has the job because he's tight with Snyder.

.

Thom does not like Bruce Allen at all. Not sure why, but Thom isn't being shy on the radio at all.

 

[fatness]

I'm glad Loverro isn't being shy. And I'm glad to see some of the other reporters dipping their toes back into reporting and opinion again instead of "trying not to make Shanahan mad". We fans need that.

Incidentally, it appears that the person in the front office leaking things to Jason Reid was Mike Shanahan. http://www.redskinshogheaven.com/2013-articles/december/wapost-s-jason-reid-reveals-redskins-deep-throat-leaker-in-tweets.html

 

[Marvelous]

I'm glad Loverro isn't being shy. And I'm glad to see some of the other reporters dipping their toes back into reporting and opinion again instead of "trying not to make Shanahan mad". We fans need that.

Incidentally, it appears that the person in the front office leaking things to Jason Reid was Mike Shanahan. http://www.redskinshogheaven.com/2013-articles/december/wapost-s-jason-reid-reveals-redskins-deep-throat-leaker-in-tweets.html

The article in your link referenced another article:

http://httr24-7.com/blog/how-not-to-build-a-competent-nfl-coaching-staff-the-mike-shanahan-way/

It's a very interesting read on the coaching staff. I don't know how much is true, but when the team is 3-13, it is not hard to believe any of it and the opinions of the writer.

 

[dgreen]

Bevell was reportedly interviewed today by "Allen and other team officials". I assume Snyder wasn't there or that statement would include him by name.

 

[fatness]

I'm glad Loverro isn't being shy. And I'm glad to see some of the other reporters dipping their toes back into reporting and opinion again instead of "trying not to make Shanahan mad". We fans need that.

Incidentally, it appears that the person in the front office leaking things to Jason Reid was Mike Shanahan. http://www.redskinshogheaven.com/2013-articles/december/wapost-s-jason-reid-reveals-redskins-deep-throat-leaker-in-tweets.html

The article in your link referenced another article:

http://httr24-7.com/blog/how-not-to-build-a-competent-nfl-coaching-staff-the-mike-shanahan-way/

It's a very interesting read on the coaching staff. I don't know how much is true, but when the team is 3-13, it is not hard to believe any of it and the opinions of the writer.

Clyburn is someone I hadn't read until the last month or less. I've found him pretty informative. I wouldn't be suprised, if he keeps doing his homework and reporting, to see him follow the Rich Campbell path to a gig with a local media outlet.

That's a very good article, thanks.

 

[fatness]

Bevell was reportedly interviewed today by "Allen and other team officials". I assume Snyder wasn't there or that statement would include him by name.

Chris Russell is halfway campaigning against Bevell. Perhaps his reasons are good, perhaps not. But it's clear he has a rooting interest.

Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h
Bevell's offensive unit had 19 turnovers this year (2013, T-2nd NFC), 18 times last year (2012, T-4th NFC), 23 times in ('11-T-6th NFC).

Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h
#Seahawks were at 20.1 PPG in 2011 (23rd), 25.8 PPG (9th) in 2012, 26.1 (T-8th) in 2013. A dominant defense significantly helps numbers.

Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h
In three years w/ Seahawks - Bevell's offensive unit has gone from 28th ('11) to 17th ('12) and staying at 17th ('13) in net total yards.

Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h Can't over react to the Bevell interview being the first "official" date. I believe they will do a complete open ended search. #Redskins

 

[fatness]

Wow. From the link that Marvelous posted:

Mike hired an assistant who’s lines had given up 95 sacks the previous two seasons, including 84 quarterback hits in 2009. The only reason Foerster is even here is because Shanahan more or less destroyed his relationship with his longtime o-line coach Alex Gibbs. He was the second choice of second choices, and not even a good second choice at that. To add a little more what the frackery to the mix, Foerster had spent much of his coaching career teaching man-blocking schemes, not the Zone Blocking Scheme that Shanny has married and built his offense around. So not only was he a poor choice for an o-line coach, he wasn’t even a fit for what Mike wanted to do.

And we have Mike McDaniel. A guy who never played in the league, who’s only experience in the NFL was first as a coaching intern in Denver under Shanny in 2005, then as a coaching assistant in Houston under Gary Kubiak for 2 seasons. After that, he went on to become the running backs coach for the Sacremento Mountain Lions of the UFL until the team basically shuddered, only to be thrust into the role of wide receiver coach here in Washington.

And all the receivers have promptly gone backwards. Aside from Pierre, there’s no a single consistent receiver in the bunch, and they often make the same baffling, stupid mistakes over and over again.

Spanos was allowed to leave to be defensive coordinator of the UCLA Bruins, where the Bruins were 5th in the Pac-12 in Total Defense. And after it finally seemed someone was able to force Bob “I am terrible at my job” Slowik out of his job, Shanny handed him the linebacking core, a move that was so bad, one of things that kept London from re-signing here quickly in 2012 was that he hated working with Slowik.

The linebacking core is brutal, Rak and Kerrigan’s growth is stunted, Perry is average, and London’s on his way out. I don’t know if that’s all on Slowik, but it sure as crap is partially on him.

Haslett’s personality rubs guys the wrong way, and players will privately say that they often don’t feel properly prepared for games. Haslett said he watched 70 tapes of Chip Kelly’s Oregon offense, and yet when the Redskins stepped on the field on Monday Night Football, the Redskins seemed completely unprepared. In 2012, despite Haslett saying he knew that Mohammed Sanu could throw the football, no one else did, and Jay Gruden said after the game that he knew exactly what defense Haslett would call to counter act the Wildcat. At the beginning of the season, it seemed a weekly occurrence that opposing offenses players would bluntly state they had nothing to fear from the Redskins defense.

Busted coverages are normal. The communication is terrible. Haslett will immediately stop using something that’s working if it gets burnt once, seemingly unaware that sometimes, the offense is going to win. His blitz concepts are predictable and weak. Formations that work and pressure packages that work are disregarded and shelved, never to be seen again on a weekly basis.

Keith Burns is so loathed in Redskins Park that half the problem with special teams is that no one wants to play for him. A player got into a physical altercation with Burns; that’s how bad it’s gotten. Burns is the guy who, with a unit struggling mightily, in a winnable game, in front of national television audience, called a fake punt. Not only did he call a fake punt, but no one even knew the fake punt was coming. The team can barely stop kick and punt returns without squibbing it, and he called a fake punt.

 

[Sebowski]

Re: fatness' quotes from Marv's link

Yeah, yeah, yeah... We get it. We just went through a real ####ty coaching staff. Guess what? They're gone now (except Haslett, who I bet will be gone as well). Why put this all out there right now? This would have been a fabulous piece at the end of last season, not so much this one. Putting it out now it is like beating a dead horse and than ####ting on it and then lighting it on fire and then beating it again. It's 2014 in DC right now. Let's move on people!

 

[fatness]

Re: fatness' quotes from Marv's link

Yeah, yeah, yeah... We get it. We just went through a real ####ty coaching staff. Guess what? They're gone now (except Haslett, who I bet will be gone as well). Why put this all out there right now? This would have been a fabulous piece at the end of last season, not so much this one. Putting it out now it is like beating a dead horse and than ####ting on it and then lighting it on fire and then beating it again. It's 2014 in DC right now. Let's move on people!

It was printed December 14.

 

[Milkman]

I'm not sure how, as redskins fans, we can move on when we are "still" the laughing stock of the league. Until this team shows it's going to start running the organization correctly I'm going keep calling them out.

Worst team in the NFL. It sucks being a fan of the Washington Redskins. I mean we couldn't even really enjoy winning the division last year because Shanny killed our franchise QB.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Adam SchefterVerified account ‏@AdamSchefter

Panthers DC Sean McDermott is scheduled to interview with Redkins this weekend in Charlotte, NC.

Now this is the right type of person to interview. I expect our talent on D is not that bad. Just badly misused. And D wins championships. It's easy to find a OC to make griffin happy, and bring back Danny smith.

 

[fatness]

I mean we couldn't even really enjoy winning the division last year because Shanny killed our franchise QB.

That playoff game was devastating. Early lead against a solid team, the QB getting obviously hurt, then continuing to play the injured QB when it was obvious to most or all of us he shouldn't be playing, watching the offense go completely dead, watching the other team gradually come back and take the lead, watching the QB get more seriously hurt to the point he couldn't play at all. A loss with Cousins in there would have been far less devastating.

 

[nittanylion]

I mean we couldn't even really enjoy winning the division last year because Shanny killed our franchise QB.

That playoff game was devastating. Early lead against a solid team, the QB getting obviously hurt, then continuing to play the injured QB when it was obvious to most or all of us he shouldn't be playing, watching the offense go completely dead, watching the other team gradually come back and take the lead, watching the QB get more seriously hurt to the point he couldn't play at all. A loss with Cousins in there would have been far less devastating.

Building off fatness's statement in conjunction with the what water1 said previously, I think it's important for everyone calling themselves a fan of this Team to understand, or at least be willing to consider that the blame of what happened to Robert Griffin in that playoff game rests primarily on the shoulders of one Daniel Snyder, and is a big factor, for those who are curious as to how those of us who hate him with a passion, in how we continue to find fuel for our hatred.

It is a fact that Daniel M. Snyder has an enormous amount of liquid assets to spend on any aspect of that football team.

Any aspect.

Including, and in this case, especially including, the physical plant, aka the stadium, particularly the field...

With those assets, and the time they had available, there was plenty of opportunity to take the proper and correct course of action going into that game, resodding that field, for the safety of both the Seahawks and the Redskins, but in particular, Robert Griffin, anointed as he was as our Franchise Player, and with it a 'known' that he was playing hurt.

There was money, and there was time to fix that field, which was so bad that the Seahawks themselves filed a complaint with the NFL after the game, and it was brought up at the next NFLPA meeting as well. Nobody on either Team should have been forced to play on that surface, that day.

Embarrassing, to say the least, potentially career-threatening, and certainly having short-term, and potentially long-term negative consequences for both Griffin and the Redskins.

Inexcusable, in my opinion, and although there's plenty of material to get riled up about Shanahan, when it comes to what happened that day, in that game, my buck starts and stops with the Owner. Everything else flows downhill from that box.

Fans of this Team, in my opinion, let Snyder off the hook, or not call him out for that gross mismanagment of time and resources. With plenty of both, there's just no excuse.

 

[Marvelous]

I mean we couldn't even really enjoy winning the division last year because Shanny killed our franchise QB.

That playoff game was devastating. Early lead against a solid team, the QB getting obviously hurt, then continuing to play the injured QB when it was obvious to most or all of us he shouldn't be playing, watching the offense go completely dead, watching the other team gradually come back and take the lead, watching the QB get more seriously hurt to the point he couldn't play at all. A loss with Cousins in there would have been far less devastating.

Building off fatness's statement in conjunction with the what water1 said previously, I think it's important for everyone calling themselves a fan of this Team to understand, or at least be willing to consider that the blame of what happened to Robert Griffin in that playoff game rests primarily on the shoulders of one Daniel Snyder, and is a big factor, for those who are curious as to how those of us who hate him with a passion, in how we continue to find fuel for our hatred.

It is a fact that Daniel M. Snyder has an enormous amount of liquid assets to spend on any aspect of that football team.

Any aspect.

Including, and in this case, especially including, the physical plant, aka the stadium, particularly the field...

With those assets, and the time they had available, there was plenty of opportunity to take the proper and correct course of action going into that game, resodding that field, for the safety of both the Seahawks and the Redskins, but in particular, Robert Griffin, anointed as he was as our Franchise Player, and with it a 'known' that he was playing hurt.

There was money, and there was time to fix that field, which was so bad that the Seahawks themselves filed a complaint with the NFL after the game, and it was brought up at the next NFLPA meeting as well. Nobody on either Team should have been forced to play on that surface, that day.

Embarrassing, to say the least, potentially career-threatening, and certainly having short-term, and potentially long-term negative consequences for both Griffin and the Redskins.

Inexcusable, in my opinion, and although there's plenty of material to get riled up about Shanahan, when it comes to what happened that day, in that game, my buck starts and stops with the Owner. Everything else flows downhill from that box.

Fans of this Team, in my opinion, let Snyder off the hook, or not call him out for that gross mismanagment of time and resources. With plenty of both, there's just no excuse.

Nitanylion, we miss you posting here.

While Snyder deserves lot of blame for everything, I think he gets more than he deserves. I think blaming Snyder for RGIII's injury due to the field conditions is a stretch.

The field was clearly a mess. It was a mess the week before when they beat Dallas. I even pointed out the field conditions to my wife early in the game.

But no one raised the issue prior to the Seattle game. I don't think anyone mentioned it during the Dallas game, although the field looked terrible. The simple fact is no one equated the poor field with players getting injured. In retrospect, it is pretty obvious. But that is the result of looking at the situation when you know what happens afterward.

Do you know if there was any talk in the organization about how bad the Fed Ex field gets in previous years?

The Redskins have been strongly in favor of natural sod for their field. But with all of the advances in artificial turf fields, they should seriously look at changing the field surface.

 

[dgreen]

Perry Fewell and Jim Caldwell expected to be interviewed.

 

[fatness]

If they interview Josh McDaniels I'll cry.

 

[MattFancy]

I like that they're interviewing a ton of guys so far. Bevell, McDermott, Caldwell, Fewell, definitely doing their due diligience. No need to rush into making a hire right now. Take your time and find the guy that wows you.

 

[avoiding injuries]

And so long as Snyder didn't bring Vinny back in some capacity, it's all good...

I wonder if they still talk.

Only after sex. Before that, it's all angry business.

I've hung out with Vinny a couple of times since he came to Baltimore. As of this past fall, he has not kept in touch with Snyder.

 

[RGIII HTTR]

HOU hired O'Brien & TB hired Lovie Smith. both were named that were originally tied to the 'Skins HC list. Best thing that could happen is CIN losing this weekend, so then Jay Gruden would become available to interview. Some even have mentioned Mike Zimmer from CIN too.

Last tidbit, supposedly Brilies (baylor HC) told alum last night after the bowl game, he was going nowhere and staying at Baylor. YES!!!!

 

[Hang 10]

I mean we couldn't even really enjoy winning the division last year because Shanny killed our franchise QB.

That playoff game was devastating. Early lead against a solid team, the QB getting obviously hurt, then continuing to play the injured QB when it was obvious to most or all of us he shouldn't be playing, watching the offense go completely dead, watching the other team gradually come back and take the lead, watching the QB get more seriously hurt to the point he couldn't play at all. A loss with Cousins in there would have been far less devastating.

Building off fatness's statement in conjunction with the what water1 said previously, I think it's important for everyone calling themselves a fan of this Team to understand, or at least be willing to consider that the blame of what happened to Robert Griffin in that playoff game rests primarily on the shoulders of one Daniel Snyder, and is a big factor, for those who are curious as to how those of us who hate him with a passion, in how we continue to find fuel for our hatred.

It is a fact that Daniel M. Snyder has an enormous amount of liquid assets to spend on any aspect of that football team.

Any aspect.

Including, and in this case, especially including, the physical plant, aka the stadium, particularly the field...

With those assets, and the time they had available, there was plenty of opportunity to take the proper and correct course of action going into that game, resodding that field, for the safety of both the Seahawks and the Redskins, but in particular, Robert Griffin, anointed as he was as our Franchise Player, and with it a 'known' that he was playing hurt.

There was money, and there was time to fix that field, which was so bad that the Seahawks themselves filed a complaint with the NFL after the game, and it was brought up at the next NFLPA meeting as well. Nobody on either Team should have been forced to play on that surface, that day.

Embarrassing, to say the least, potentially career-threatening, and certainly having short-term, and potentially long-term negative consequences for both Griffin and the Redskins.

Inexcusable, in my opinion, and although there's plenty of material to get riled up about Shanahan, when it comes to what happened that day, in that game, my buck starts and stops with the Owner. Everything else flows downhill from that box.

Fans of this Team, in my opinion, let Snyder off the hook, or not call him out for that gross mismanagment of time and resources. With plenty of both, there's just no excuse.

Griffin's knee would have given out on any surface that day. This post is ridiculous.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Griffins knee gave out a couple weeks earlier against the Ravens. The field didn't help, but wasn't the cause.