RGIII HTTR
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Ahhhhh CRAP!!!! BREAKING: Team has announced franchise tag has been placed on LB @rak98 - more details to come on http://www.redskins.com .
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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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And Orakpo already making noise. This will certainly end well.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330322/article/brian-orakpo-gets-washington-redskins-franchise-tag
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330322/article/brian-orakpo-gets-washington-redskins-franchise-tag
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
There was nothing controversial about that. In fact, it's probably the best reaction he could have had.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I don't like the move because I think Orakpo stinks. But even if you like him, the team could have used that 11 mil to sign a decent WR and RT, with some $s left over. There are several out there in the 3-4 mil/year range. I doubt it, but maybe they are hoping someone will offer up a 3rd rounder in a sign and trade.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I like the move. We need to fill holes on this roster, not create more. I understand he's taking a third of the available cap, but why get rid of him just so we can fill his spot with someone else? This team is in need of play makers on defense and he is one. Is he elite? No probably not. But it sure seemed like he had a list of teams lining up for him if he were to hit the market, so other teams must see something in him.
MattFancy
Footballguy
That's why I don't see the downside to this. We still have $20M in cap space and I'm sure we'll clear out some more. So if we don't get a long-term deal in place, he gets a year to prove it. If he sucks, we move on and only spend $11M of the cap this year. If we do get a long-term deal, it opens some more space up this year as we'll probably get him a bit cheaper. Seems like a smart move to me.dgreen said:
MattFancy
Footballguy
Not surprising in the least. I'd be okay with Carriker coming back if he can prove he's healthy. Seems like a good guy and could provide some depth. But I thought I read somewhere that he probably won't be ready much before Training Camp, so the market should be quiet for him which should help us.
Carriker
It was pretty much a given that Carriker was going to get cut. He hasn't been healthy in two years. I thought Chris Chester might be cut before the league year starts.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Jamison must have really sucked to get waived before training camp, with his tiny contract.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Both of these are good drops. Rocca had slipped as a punter and didn't justify his salary. Carriker only justified his when he was healthy, which wasn't much of the time.
fatness
Footballguy
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Summary of roster moves so far in the Gruden Era:
Signed
DE Doug Worthington
WR Aldrick Robinson
CB DeAngelo Hall
DE Chris Baker
S Jose Gumbs
Franchise Tag
LB Brian Orakpo
Released/Waived
P Sav Rocca
DE Adam Carriker
RB Davin Meggett
TE Richard Quinn
RB Jawan Jamison
Rich Tandler reporting that the 'Skins are currently $21.9 million under the cap.
Signed
DE Doug Worthington
WR Aldrick Robinson
CB DeAngelo Hall
DE Chris Baker
S Jose Gumbs
Franchise Tag
LB Brian Orakpo
Released/Waived
P Sav Rocca
DE Adam Carriker
RB Davin Meggett
TE Richard Quinn
RB Jawan Jamison
Rich Tandler reporting that the 'Skins are currently $21.9 million under the cap.
fatness
Footballguy
RGIII HTTR
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Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
I look at the defensive roster, and I still say we should be in a 4-3. Look at what is left. If you put Orakpo at DE, it's at least a decent front 7. But in a 3-4, there is a glaring weakness at LBs that can cover and get to the QB.
I read the Redskins lined up in the 3-4 38% of the time. It is mostly a run defense. They line up a lot in a nickel defense with 4 down linemen and 2 linebackers. And Orakpo and Kerrigan are DEs in this alignment. The nickel alignment would be used a lot whether the Redskins played in a 4-3 or 3-4 defense.
So the basic question is would you rather defend the run in a 3-4 defense or 4-3 defense?
I don't have an answer, but that is what it boils down to.
dgreen
Footballguy
With the amount of 3 WR sets most offenses run these days, 3-4 and 4-3 are barely "base defenses" anymore.
Ted Mullins
Footballguy
Yeah, this is what Cooley said on his blog - 62% of the time they were in nickel or dime and had four linemen. I wonder if that number would be even higher if they ever had a lead for very long?
fatness
Footballguy
Pretty brutal analysis of their situation at safety from John Keim
Remember a year ago we thought they had more depth?
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
For what it's worth...Schefty said yesterday on the Loverno and Sheehan radio show that he knew the Raiders were going to make a BIG play for RAK, if he was a FA.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I heard that too. He also mentioned the Broncos were going to make him an offer too. Makes sense then for the Skins to franchise him if other teams were already going to be in pursuit. I wouldn't have blamed Rak for going to Denver though, so smart move by the FO.
I still believe if the Redskins can get a 1st or high 2nd round draft pick, they should trade him. They were ambivalent about keeping him at these prices. And they are allowed to negotiate the 2 first round draft pick compensation for signing a franchised player.
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MattFancy
Footballguy
If we could get a 1st for him, I think I'd do that.
The only thing I'm worried about is if we move him, who replaces him? We already have enough holes on this team especially on defense. I don't see how creating one hole to fill another would make this team better. Is Rob Jackson the answer? I don't know.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
A drafted player at this point would replace him as rushing OLB market now dried up. Here is the problem with a trade, it one thing for an organization to be willing to spend money to get RAK, but spend that money and give up a 1st rounder??? Unless, they are head over heals in love with him...I just don't see it happening. Hope I'm wrong though...
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
From John Keim: The Redskins shopping list includes two safeties, another cornerback, at least one inside linebacker, a defensive lineman and perhaps wide receiver and an offensive lineman.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I'd say the priority should be: S, LB, OL, DL, CB, WR
Good thing is we should be able to find some of those guys in FA. MLB are usually cheaper. I mean D'Qwell Jackson just got $5.5M/yr and people think that was too much.
RGIII HTTR
Footballguy
Eric Silva's Top free agent ILBs left (list): 1. Karlos Dansby 2. Brandon Spikes 3. Daryl Smith 4. Jon Beason 5. Perry Riley 6. Wesley Woodyard 7. Arthur Moats.
Rather have those two than Perry...Spikes is a thumper and Dansby has the range to cover. Fixes ILB in a hurry.
MattFancy
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fatness
Footballguy
That's a welcome change from the last 4 years of "shut up and say nothing" under Shanahan.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
The thing I like about Riley over Dansby is his youth. Dansby likely will get a short term deal with a high cap number. Spikes was very inconsistent with the Pats. I'd much rather pay Riley less than overpay for Spikes. I do not think Riley is worth the $7M annually that he is asking, but if they give him a deal like 4 years, $20M, I'd have no problem with it. I think he is a promising player, there aren't many better options out there on the open market and it is as big a need right now as safety is.RGIII HTTR said:
I am not sure Riley is worth $5M per year. I think he is an average ILB at best. What does an average starting ILB make?
That is good news. I still think the biggest need for the Redskins is to get more pass rush pressure. That points to the DL and OLBs.
MattFancy
Footballguy
A better pash rush could help hide our defencies in the secondary by making our CBs cover WRs for less time.
fatness
Footballguy
I agree about Riley being younger. I don't think Dansby is going to get a real big contract though so I think he may be affordable. I just think he wants to stay where he is. I don't want Spikes since he's a liability in the passing game and every team knows that. I heard Riley was looking for $5.5 million annually which doesn't sound completely unreasonable to me. Don't remember where I heard that.
There is no real number for "average ILB salary" when you need 2 of them and the supply is limited. Everyone available is either better than Riley and more expensive, or not as good and less expensive. ILB's are pretty critical to a defense, and aiming to get a generic "average" one for this team this year can hurt the team.
BTW they should talk to Andre Roberts who's a free agent WR. He's not flashy and won't command a big salary but he's been fairly good.
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Ted Mullins
Footballguy
I really like the Andre Roberts idea considering what his price would probably be.
fatness
Footballguy
And if I'm remembering correctly Cooley said Mitchell's good at free safety, which is really the big need.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I just came to say that this Cowboys fan here in DC is in love with Cooley. I liked him before he retired and thoughtful was one of the most underutilized players over the years. He was far more elusive after then catch then our boy Witten.
But now, I can't get enough of his film breakdown. He's GREAT on the radio.
But now, I can't get enough of his film breakdown. He's GREAT on the radio.
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Problem with that is the cap space changes year to year as some players enter bigger earning years and guys need to get re-signed, etc. There's time and space to spend I think, but a good balance between splash and bargains is probably the best idea for sure. I do think they should see what Gruden can do and then make some serious investments the following year and beyond based on what pans out. Still it's obvious to all there's some big positions of need, regardless of when they decide to spend the $. They need help bad at safety and OLMarvelous said:
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