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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

I do have one main thought on building a team, from a accountant/numbers perspective: Find value in all your signings and draft picks. It is actually the opposite of what the Redskins did for years.

The key to free agency isn't to sign the biggest names, it is to find value signings. It can be younger players who will develop more than others think. Or it can be someone who fits your system/team especially well.

Draft picks are the cheapest players on the team for four years. That is why they are so valuable. Even getting a special teams contributor in the later rounds is getting decent value on your draft pick.

One final note: free agent running backs are getting very little this year. The top contracts are around $3M a year for Moreno and Gerhart. Paying big for RB is now the ultimate non-value move. I hated it when the Redskins paid bigtime for Clinton Portis, but it is even more true today.

 
Ok, Desean is one hot topic. Regardless, is no longer going to burn us twice a year, since the other NFC East teams don't appear interested. I will make this point, everyone seemed to be fine with adding Kenny Britt. Matter of fact, several people here really want the 'Skins to sign Britt. Why do I mentioned Britt??? His background if issues and arrests are long...9+ and so forth, how many issues does Desean have? One. Now everyone is saying Eagles must know something more. How about this, Chip Kelly views him a dispensable and everyone knows that Desean has the personality that he will have a hard time playing a back seat. So, they cut their losses.
This is a good point as far as off field stuff for Britt vs Desean. FWIW, I have said I was hoping they'd kick the tires on Britt because he has shown flashes and has the size you'd like to see in an elite WR, and also with the assumption that he will get a deal for 1-3 years that is easy to get out of with a cap hit that is probably 750M-1.5M range. I am assuming Desean will probably get like 3-5 years at 5-8M against cap per year, but that is all guessing on my part.

From everything I have read so far, I think your explanation as far as Desean is the most likely - that Chip doesn't like him once you factor in price and chemistry, and the gang stuff is only part of the equation. Seems likely they take a WR in the first 3 rounds that they expect to contribute pretty early on. Also agree that wherever Desean goes, it'll be nice to not see him running wide open behind our secondary for 2 games this year :cool:
I just posted about getting value on your free agent signings. I would be ok with signing Britt if you can get him relatively inexpensively and he can be cut easily if he does not fit with the team.

I would say the same for DeSean Jackson, although it is less likely since he has accomplished quite a bit more than Britt. Also, I believe Philly is taking a big cap it to cut Jackson, which does not bode well for him.

One note: if you think either is Aaron Hernandez type bad, stay far away from them.

 
Djax is a good player, but a poor fit for us. We need some height IMO
I would agree with that. Its a shame none of our bigger guys (Westbrooke, Gardner, Devin Thomas, Kelly, Hankerson) ever seem to pan out. You have to go back to Charlie Brown to find a great tall WR on the Redskins don't you? (Monk wasn't that tall was he?)

 
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Djax is a good player, but a poor fit for us. We need some height IMO
I would agree with that. Its a shame none of our bigger guys (Westbrooke, Gardner, Devin Thomas, Kelly, Hankerson) ever seem to pan out. You have to go back to Charlie Brown to find a great tall WR on the Redskins don't you? (Monk wasn't that tall was he?)
Art Monk is 6' 3". Charlie Brown is 5' 10". I thought every WR Art Monk played with was short.

While height is nice, I think it is a tradeoff. Most taller/bigger WRs aren't as fast. Not every tall WR is a Randy Moss.

 
I got Monk and Brown's height confused. But over the last 10-15 years, I'd say the Skins have been as bad at drafting WRs than any position. Thank goodness for Garcon. Can you imagine what our passing game would be without him?

 
I'm all for it, at the right price. But then, I don't look to sports for my role models and don't really care what a thug Desean is or isn't, as long as he stays out of trouble while he's a Redskin. I like winning. Desean will help with that.

 
Ok, Desean is one hot topic. Regardless, is no longer going to burn us twice a year, since the other NFC East teams don't appear interested. I will make this point, everyone seemed to be fine with adding Kenny Britt. Matter of fact, several people here really want the 'Skins to sign Britt. Why do I mentioned Britt??? His background if issues and arrests are long...9+ and so forth, how many issues does Desean have? One. Now everyone is saying Eagles must know something more. How about this, Chip Kelly views him a dispensable and everyone knows that Desean has the personality that he will have a hard time playing a back seat. So, they cut their losses.

I will agree that he is a higher maintenance type player and NO he is not just a player that is signed if you are the one player away theory either. He's not old and he's a dynamic type player that warrants a defense to game plan for him. He can stretch the field almost better than anyone in the game and that has been a fatal flaw of the Redskins for years now.

So, my point is why does everyone JUMP so quick on the "oh, no no...don't sign him" bandwagon? He is what we need and yes it would be ideal if the diva part could be left in Philly, but unfortunately most of the better WRs have that character about them. Hey, they can't all be Jerry Rice, right?

Last point, for everyone that think we should only build via the draft...when in the past 20 years have we shown to do that on any consistent basis? If we had a history of being able to draft on a successful or get higher amount of talent than drafting position than average in the NFL, then this would be a very valid line of thinking.
I'm mostly in agreement with you. Jackson and Chip Kelly did not get along, and he was going to be cut. That started out awhile back when Kelly wanted all the skill position players to learn the responsibilities of other skill positions and Jackson balked at it, and it has grown since then.

I think it's pretty clear that, since the nj.com article talking about gang affiliations and their sources are almost entirely Eagles front office sources, that the Eagles fed them the story. The Eagles also knew 2 days before that the story was going to be published, according to Mike Lombardi on the radio this afternoon.

So basically the Eagles are going to cut him, know it'll look bad, feed some bad PR about him to a paper, wait for the paper to publish it, and then cut him with the story making them look good in the public's eyes. Seems very Shanahan-ish to feed bad talk about a player to the press.

The Redskin lead the league (or were close to it) last year in substance-related player discipline, so it's not like we've been supporting a bunch of choirboys in town whom Jackson is going to corrupt. He wouldn't be the baddest actor on the current roster. And if it's obvious he's too much of a diva to sign the Redskins would know that if they talk with him and do their due diligence about his background outside and within the NFL. Other teams do that, you know?

They guy's one of the best deep threats in the league, the Skins have (or can make available easily) the cap space for him, they badly need another quality WR. And they're missing a 1st round pick this year, and will have to burn a 2nd or 3rd to get a good WR when they have multiple other team needs (S, CB, ILB, OL to start off). And they shouldn't talk to Jackson? The only way that's not ludicrous is if the Redskins have already done thorough research on the guy and concluded that he's not a good risk.

So perhaps he's a good signing. He's definitely a good player. He's definitely worth talking to and looking into. And to play in to a "gang connection" article that was fed to the press by the Eagles is just plain stupid.

Last year Jackson had 126 targets, 82 receptions, 1332 yards, 16.2 YPC, and 9 TD.

Garcon had 113 receptions, 1346 yards, 11.9 YPC, 5 TD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeSean_Jackson#Career_Stats

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Gar%C3%A7on#Professional_Statistics

 
I just posted about getting value on your free agent signings. I would be ok with signing Britt if you can get him relatively inexpensively and he can be cut easily if he does not fit with the team.

I would say the same for DeSean Jackson, although it is less likely since he has accomplished quite a bit more than Britt. Also, I believe Philly is taking a big cap it to cut Jackson, which does not bode well for him.

One note: if you think either is Aaron Hernandez type bad, stay far away from them.
I don't think Jackson's going to get what the Eagles were to pay him -- $8.5 million this year --- from any other team. And I don't think he'll be signed quickly, probably not until close to the draft. The Skins currently have just a shade under $7 million in cap money and can make more available (there will be more cuts), and there's no way they'll sign a contract with him that's all guaranteed this year.

 
This is the first really big name we've brought in for a visit this offseason, despite rumored interest in Byrd and Talib. The guys we brought in were middle-tier guys who we gave firm offers to and refused to budge. Some left without deals.

This is the first superstar type big name we're actually flying in for a visit. This interest is real, which means we're prepared to offer him real money. You'd think.

 
I honestly don't think the Eagles would make up a story. This is football, it's a business. Whop cares if they cut a player? Ever a fairly popular player, people will get over it and be rooting for the team once the season starts. Way more potential PR damage inventing a story and having it found out to be intentionally false than would ever come from just cutting a guy.

 
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 4h

Redskins sources: DeSean Jackson is expected to visit with Washington this Monday
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Darrell Green says "Wow. But DeSean will have to mind his P's and Q's" he thinks it would be a great signing for Washington.
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Source close to DeSean Jackson: he wants to play for Washington. Yes money is part of it but if its right fit it could wor
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h

DeAngelo Hall to @ESPNRadio980 on DJax poss. to #Redskins "I'm going to take him under my wing and just try to put him on the right path."
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h

DeAngelo Hall to @ESPNRadio980 & @TarikCSN on DJax to #Redskins "If we could pull that off, hell, that would make my day, make my year."
 
This is the first really big name we've brought in for a visit this offseason, despite rumored interest in Byrd and Talib. The guys we brought in were middle-tier guys who we gave firm offers to and refused to budge. Some left without deals.

This is the first superstar type big name we're actually flying in for a visit. This interest is real, which means we're prepared to offer him real money. You'd think.
Yep, I didn't think we'd actually be in on this. I am intrigued to see what the price is. I know his cap hit this year was going to be around $12.5M, so I am hoping it'll be under $10M and more like $7-8M. He is not the prototypical big WR1 but he can stretch the field with the best of them, which fits well with RG3 and I don't think he is going to cost what the elite WR1s cost either. My guess is he would LOVE to see the Eagles twice a year too.

 
I'm hoping his contract his $5-6 million at most. I honestly have no clue what other teams might offer him, and I doubt that Jackson and his agent know either. For all we know the best offer could be $10 million, or $3 million.

I bet he'd absolutely love to face the Eagles twice a year though. If I remember correctly didn't their secondary kind of suck last year? Garcon, Jackson, Roberts, and Reed (please stay healthy) could be a pretty good passing attack, and leave lots of room for Alfred Morris as well.

Still, I want the Skins to do their due diligence on Jackson.

 
oops

The man leading a Washington Redskins foundation aimed at helping Native Americans also heads an organization that had a $1 million contract with the Bureau of Indian Affairs terminated after federal investigators found the group’s work “unusable.”

Gary L. Edwards is the chief executive of the National Native American Law Enforcement Association, which won a contract in 2009 with the bureau that called for recruiting Native Americans to work in law enforcement in Indian country.

The investigation, outlined in a 2012 inspector general’s report, found that of the 748 applications the organization supplied, none were usable. One applicant was 80 years old. Several were not U.S. citizens. Of the 514 applications reviewed by the inspector general’s office, only 22 were of Indian descent. The inspector general’s office advised that the contract be terminated immediately, and it was. But then the bureau paid Edwards’s group an additional $600,000 as “settlement costs,” meaning it received almost the entire $1 million of the contract.
 
Philly article worth reading.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-29/sports/48687347_1_desean-jackson-chip-kelly-eagles-coach

DeSean Jackson didn't change; the Eagles did when Chip Kelly became head coach.

The Eagles knew about Jackson's alleged gang connections, his problems with authority, and his locker-room dramas long before Friday, when they released the wide receiver. They knew what they were getting when they drafted him in 2008.

So for the team to imply that his off-the-field behavior or an NJ.com report that detailed his alleged connection to reputed members of the Los Angeles-based Crips gang had anything to do with the wide receiver's release would be disingenuous.

The reasons the Eagles cut ties with Jackson after six seasons were many, but the overriding motive was a simple one: Kelly didn't want him on the team anymore. The Eagles coach has yet to explain the decision - nor did anyone from the organization on Friday - but Kelly's lower tolerance for Jackson than Andy Reid had is believed to be the primary explanation for why the team started shopping the 27-year-old Pro Bowl receiver on March 1.
After no trade offers, according to multiple NFL sources, the Eagles were faced with only two prospects - releasing Jackson or bringing back a player Kelly didn't want. The NJ.com report provided the team with the perfect opportunity to soften criticism for cutting a superstar in the prime of his career while getting nothing in return.

So rather than release Jackson on Wednesday, when they initially were contacted by NJ.com, they waited two days and cut him less than an hour after the story was posted. It's fair to wonder how much earlier the Eagles knew of the story and whether they were the impetus for its writing.

Sources within the organization are cited in the story as being concerned about Jackson's association with a reputed gang member who was connected to a homicide in 2010 - two years before the Eagles gave Jackson a new five-year, $47 million contract and four years before they ultimately released him.

The Eagles employ a security detail - "fixers" as they are sometimes known - whose job is almost exclusively digging up information on players. Jackson's association with reputed Crips gang members had been commonly known for years.

Releasing Jackson after the story was posted also made it seem as if the Eagles came to the realization that they would now get nothing in return once teams were made aware of the connection. Every team, though, already knew of Jackson's reputation when they scouted the first-round talent before the 2008 draft.
The Eagles' silence on the whole issue has been troublesome. There was an ESPN report that the team's lawyers advised against making public statements. It is believed there would be no need for lawyers unless the Eagles were being careful about opening themselves up to slander allegations.

It wouldn't be hard to explain. Kelly didn't want Jackson, so he was released after they couldn't find a trade partner.
 
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 4h

Redskins sources: DeSean Jackson is expected to visit with Washington this Monday
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Darrell Green says "Wow. But DeSean will have to mind his P's and Q's" he thinks it would be a great signing for Washington.
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Source close to DeSean Jackson: he wants to play for Washington. Yes money is part of it but if its right fit it could wor
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h

DeAngelo Hall to @ESPNRadio980 on DJax poss. to #Redskins "I'm going to take him under my wing and just try to put him on the right path."
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h

DeAngelo Hall to @ESPNRadio980 & @TarikCSN on DJax to #Redskins "If we could pull that off, hell, that would make my day, make my year."
Now this is starting to sound a bit scary indeed. When I mean scary, I mean like the way Redskins used to do business...So, now we know RG3 and DeAngelo Hall are both making pushes for DJax to sign in Washington. Add a Burgundy & Gold vet like Darrell Green to endorse it plus supposed sources with the player say he wants to be part of the the team??? WATCH OUT!!!!

I am one that hopes it does happen. Fatness makes great points in other post, get him and we can focus one other positions that we need filled via the draft. Djax is 27 yrs old and in the prime of his career, would have serious motivation to show the Iggles and everyone else what a mistake they made. I like it!!!

 
Good article on DeAngelo Hall

London Fletcher’s retirement leaves the Redskins with a big void when it comes to a strong, veteran, vocal leadership presence. Head coach Jay Gruden believes that cornerback DeAngelo Hall can fill that role.

Shortly after his hiring in January, Gruden reached out to Hall, whose contract had expired, and expressed a desire to re-sign him because of his skills and his ability to help lead the team. Hall, who in 2013 had one of the finest seasons of his career, eventually traveled to from his offseason home in Atlanta to meet with Gruden and liked what he heard, signing a new contract roughly a month before he would’ve hit the free agent market.

“That was very important,” Gruden said this week when asked about re-signing Hall. “DeAngelo’s one of those guys, he can move around and play the best receiver and at least you have a fighting chance. If you want to play some man-to-man, at least you have someone you feel good about. So he’s a Redskin. I think he likes the D.C. area. He likes the Redskin family. He’s a very loyal guy, obviously. He’s excited to get back. We’re happy to have DeAngelo. I had a chance to talk to him before we signed him and he’s changed a lot from his rookie year to now. He’s a veteran leader, player. We’re excited to have him and work with him.”
“I’ve matured so much over the last seven, eight, nine years in this league that, man,” Hall said on Friday. “You ask anybody would I be in this position 10 years ago, coming in as a flashy, loud-mouth rookie, I don’t think nobody would think that would be possible. So for me to see the progress I’ve made over the years, I think it’s definitely hats off not just to myself, but to coaches I’ve been around that have kind of molded me, and the people that have been in my life to help me along the way.”

Because of that, Gruden and defensive coordinator Jim Haslett told Hall to take on an even larger leadership role and essentially serve as an extension of the coach in the locker room and on the field.

“He’s a veteran guy,” Gruden said. “He’s changed a lot he’s been through the early years as a professional player, maybe the immature years and he’s gone through a lot and seen a lot.

“We need some people to step up and be that leader and police the locker room and make sure we hold a high standard for everybody,” Gruden continued. “If your players don’t do that, it’s very hard for a coach to maintain that. You have to have some leadership in the locker room and we’re hoping DeAngelo or whoever it might be steps up and makes sure the little things don’t go unnoticed and make sure people are on time to meetings. We won’t accept the fact that guys are late or lazy or not hustling to the ball and not coming off on the snap count and the pad levels low. When the players start to see the game through a coach’s eyes, that’s when you have a chance to be special as a team.”

Hall said he welcomes the added responsibility because he believes he can use the lessons learned during his career to help his younger teammates.

“Any time you can help share knowledge about situations you’ve been in and been through, you become a lot more credible. Absolutely,” Hall said. “I can talk to a young guy about a young guy coming in as a rookie playing, I can talk to him about being a knucklehead. I can talk to him about getting cut, about not thinking about themselves before the team. I can talk to them about being a team guy and the road I went down and how not to do it. There’s nothing like actually going through those experiences. A lot of guys see it from other guys, but they’re not actually the person that goes through it. So to be the person that went through it, I think definitely it brings knowledge, and people want to listen to you.”
 
I am one that hopes it does happen. Fatness makes great points in other post, get him and we can focus one other positions that we need filled via the draft. Djax is 27 yrs old and in the prime of his career, would have serious motivation to show the Iggles and everyone else what a mistake they made. I like it!!!
Santonio Holmes was 26 and in the prime of his career when he went to the Jets.

 
I am one that hopes it does happen. Fatness makes great points in other post, get him and we can focus one other positions that we need filled via the draft. Djax is 27 yrs old and in the prime of his career, would have serious motivation to show the Iggles and everyone else what a mistake they made. I like it!!!
Santonio Holmes was 26 and in the prime of his career when he went to the Jets.
How old was Garcon when he went to the Redskins, and how did he do?

 
I am one that hopes it does happen. Fatness makes great points in other post, get him and we can focus one other positions that we need filled via the draft. Djax is 27 yrs old and in the prime of his career, would have serious motivation to show the Iggles and everyone else what a mistake they made. I like it!!!
Santonio Holmes was 26 and in the prime of his career when he went to the Jets.
DeSean is a much better WR than Holmes. DeSean has had several very productive seasons. How many has Holmes had? Also, RG3 > any Jets QB during Holmes time in NY.

 
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Philly article worth reading.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-29/sports/48687347_1_desean-jackson-chip-kelly-eagles-coach

DeSean Jackson didn't change; the Eagles did when Chip Kelly became head coach.

The Eagles knew about Jackson's alleged gang connections, his problems with authority, and his locker-room dramas long before Friday, when they released the wide receiver. They knew what they were getting when they drafted him in 2008.

So for the team to imply that his off-the-field behavior or an NJ.com report that detailed his alleged connection to reputed members of the Los Angeles-based Crips gang had anything to do with the wide receiver's release would be disingenuous.

The reasons the Eagles cut ties with Jackson after six seasons were many, but the overriding motive was a simple one: Kelly didn't want him on the team anymore. The Eagles coach has yet to explain the decision - nor did anyone from the organization on Friday - but Kelly's lower tolerance for Jackson than Andy Reid had is believed to be the primary explanation for why the team started shopping the 27-year-old Pro Bowl receiver on March 1.
After no trade offers, according to multiple NFL sources, the Eagles were faced with only two prospects - releasing Jackson or bringing back a player Kelly didn't want. The NJ.com report provided the team with the perfect opportunity to soften criticism for cutting a superstar in the prime of his career while getting nothing in return.

So rather than release Jackson on Wednesday, when they initially were contacted by NJ.com, they waited two days and cut him less than an hour after the story was posted. It's fair to wonder how much earlier the Eagles knew of the story and whether they were the impetus for its writing.

Sources within the organization are cited in the story as being concerned about Jackson's association with a reputed gang member who was connected to a homicide in 2010 - two years before the Eagles gave Jackson a new five-year, $47 million contract and four years before they ultimately released him.

The Eagles employ a security detail - "fixers" as they are sometimes known - whose job is almost exclusively digging up information on players. Jackson's association with reputed Crips gang members had been commonly known for years.

Releasing Jackson after the story was posted also made it seem as if the Eagles came to the realization that they would now get nothing in return once teams were made aware of the connection. Every team, though, already knew of Jackson's reputation when they scouted the first-round talent before the 2008 draft.
The Eagles' silence on the whole issue has been troublesome. There was an ESPN report that the team's lawyers advised against making public statements. It is believed there would be no need for lawyers unless the Eagles were being careful about opening themselves up to slander allegations.

It wouldn't be hard to explain. Kelly didn't want Jackson, so he was released after they couldn't find a trade partner.
more good perspective. does help round out the picture some more.

 
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 4h

Redskins sources: DeSean Jackson is expected to visit with Washington this Monday
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Darrell Green says "Wow. But DeSean will have to mind his P's and Q's" he thinks it would be a great signing for Washington.
Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 1h

Source close to DeSean Jackson: he wants to play for Washington. Yes money is part of it but if its right fit it could wor
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h

DeAngelo Hall to @ESPNRadio980 on DJax poss. to #Redskins "I'm going to take him under my wing and just try to put him on the right path."
Chris Russell ‏@Russellmania980 2h

DeAngelo Hall to @ESPNRadio980 & @TarikCSN on DJax to #Redskins "If we could pull that off, hell, that would make my day, make my year."
Now this is starting to sound a bit scary indeed. When I mean scary, I mean like the way Redskins used to do business...So, now we know RG3 and DeAngelo Hall are both making pushes for DJax to sign in Washington. Add a Burgundy & Gold vet like Darrell Green to endorse it plus supposed sources with the player say he wants to be part of the the team??? WATCH OUT!!!!

I am one that hopes it does happen. Fatness makes great points in other post, get him and we can focus one other positions that we need filled via the draft. Djax is 27 yrs old and in the prime of his career, would have serious motivation to show the Iggles and everyone else what a mistake they made. I like it!!!
yeah, who cares what it costs! it fills a postion of need!

what cap # do you guys think desean is worth without screwing up the entire cap for fututre yrs?

 
If we're the only ones bidding on his services you would think we could get him for 5-6 million per year. Especially considering no one else is really lining up for him.

 
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yeah, who cares what it costs! it fills a postion of need!

what cap # do you guys think desean is worth without screwing up the entire cap for fututre yrs?
Come on, let's be fair. There's nobody here that said the Skins should sign him for whatever it takes. And there's also nobody here who said the Skins should sign him if they turn up any recent/current problems which didn't show up in that nj.com article rehashing old issues. If the Skins find out he failed drug tests, or is actively being investigated by police for something, they'll either make no offer or make a very low one. On the other hand, if there's no current red flags their offer will be higher if they make one.

The Skins have about $7 million in cap space now. There will be more cuts and more contract renegotiations that will free up more, so let's guess they'll have $12-14 million. Offering Jackson $5 million (just to pick a number) with some guaranteed and some not doesn't seem like it'll break the bank or make them drop someone else they want.

And it'll relieve them of the pressing need to use a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick for a WR, which is a position of great need.

What do you think is a reasonable amount to offer a starting WR who's made the pro bowl? This isn't a guy we are happy to acquire for the vet minimum who sits on the bench all year while we congratulate ourselves on being frugal.

 
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If we're the only ones bidding on his services you would think we could get him for 5-6 million per year. Especially considering no one else is really lining up for him.
That's the thing --- nobody knows who's going to offer him a contract.

 
If we're the only ones bidding on his services you would think we could get him for 5-6 million per year. Especially considering no one else is really lining up for him.
That's the thing --- nobody knows who's going to offer him a contract.
I don't know what the timeline will be, but I'd expect at least 4 teams to make him offers. No way Wash would bid on him alone.
 
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If we're the only ones bidding on his services you would think we could get him for 5-6 million per year. Especially considering no one else is really lining up for him.
That's the thing --- nobody knows who's going to offer him a contract.
I don't know what the timeline will be, but I'd expect at least 4 teams to make him offers. No way Wash up would bid on him alone.
That depends on what teams are finding when they are investigating djaxs alleged involvement with these gangs.

 
yeah, who cares what it costs! it fills a postion of need!

what cap # do you guys think desean is worth without screwing up the entire cap for fututre yrs?
Come on, let's be fair. There's nobody here that said the Skins should sign him for whatever it takes. And there's also nobody here who said the Skins should sign him if they turn up any recent/current problems which didn't show up in that nj.com article rehashing old issues. If the Skins find out he failed drug tests, or is actively being investigated by police for something, they'll either make no offer or make a very low one. On the other hand, if there's no current red flags their offer will be higher if they make one.

The Skins have about $7 million in cap space now. There will be more cuts and more contract renegotiations that will free up more, so let's guess they'll have $12-14 million. Offering Jackson $5 million (just to pick a number) with some guaranteed and some not doesn't seem like it'll break the bank or make them drop someone else they want.

And it'll relieve them of the pressing need to use a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick for a WR, which is a position of great need.

What do you think is a reasonable amount to offer a starting WR who's made the pro bowl? This isn't a guy we are happy to acquire for the vet minimum who sits on the bench all year while we congratulate ourselves on being frugal.
there is zero said zero chance 5M getsi it done. 4, maybe 5 teams, will be in on it.

if the skins sign desean, its a fallback to a time when we all know what happened.

besides, the minute the offseason hits, he's looking to restructure, nearly every yr, then the investment in cap dollars is increased. he is not worh it.

look, this wont happen, i dont believe bruce will break the current mold for desean.

if 1yr rental is your thing, maybe, but i doubt even that happens.

do we need another wr? sure. but this aint the way to do it. if were a player away, sure. were not.

 
yeah, who cares what it costs! it fills a postion of need!

what cap # do you guys think desean is worth without screwing up the entire cap for fututre yrs?
Come on, let's be fair. There's nobody here that said the Skins should sign him for whatever it takes. And there's also nobody here who said the Skins should sign him if they turn up any recent/current problems which didn't show up in that nj.com article rehashing old issues. If the Skins find out he failed drug tests, or is actively being investigated by police for something, they'll either make no offer or make a very low one. On the other hand, if there's no current red flags their offer will be higher if they make one.

The Skins have about $7 million in cap space now. There will be more cuts and more contract renegotiations that will free up more, so let's guess they'll have $12-14 million. Offering Jackson $5 million (just to pick a number) with some guaranteed and some not doesn't seem like it'll break the bank or make them drop someone else they want.

And it'll relieve them of the pressing need to use a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick for a WR, which is a position of great need.

What do you think is a reasonable amount to offer a starting WR who's made the pro bowl? This isn't a guy we are happy to acquire for the vet minimum who sits on the bench all year while we congratulate ourselves on being frugal.
and yes, i hated then and still do hate the orakpo tender.

 
You guys wouldn't be happy with say a 7M, one year prove it contract? Seems like that would be an ideal situation for Wash or any other team looking to sign him.

 
yeah, who cares what it costs! it fills a postion of need!

what cap # do you guys think desean is worth without screwing up the entire cap for fututre yrs?
Come on, let's be fair. There's nobody here that said the Skins should sign him for whatever it takes. And there's also nobody here who said the Skins should sign him if they turn up any recent/current problems which didn't show up in that nj.com article rehashing old issues. If the Skins find out he failed drug tests, or is actively being investigated by police for something, they'll either make no offer or make a very low one. On the other hand, if there's no current red flags their offer will be higher if they make one.

The Skins have about $7 million in cap space now. There will be more cuts and more contract renegotiations that will free up more, so let's guess they'll have $12-14 million. Offering Jackson $5 million (just to pick a number) with some guaranteed and some not doesn't seem like it'll break the bank or make them drop someone else they want.

And it'll relieve them of the pressing need to use a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick for a WR, which is a position of great need.

What do you think is a reasonable amount to offer a starting WR who's made the pro bowl? This isn't a guy we are happy to acquire for the vet minimum who sits on the bench all year while we congratulate ourselves on being frugal.
2m, with losts of strings attached. but if it did happen, he'd be pissy and cause a ruckuss, while dividing the locker room, w/i 2yrs. the past is always the best indicator of the future.

 
You guys wouldn't be happy with say a 7M, one year prove it contract? Seems like that would be an ideal situation for Wash or any other team looking to sign him.
no, the skins are not going to the SB this yr. what does a 1yr rental do for our team goals going forward?

 
Meh i don't want to sign him at all.
Fair enough. I'm on record as saying I have no idea how deep the rumors and implications some have thrown around are. From a shear talent and player standpoint, the guy would be an enormous upgrade and addition to Wash and many other teams.

 
so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.

 
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Skins have a huge need at WR, and he's a darn good one. I would just hope if the Skins sign him, they would put language in the contract that would allow them to cut bait if he has any off the field issues. I like the idea of a 1 year prove it kinda deal.

 
so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.
A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.
 
so for those who want desean, do all the yrs people have preferred a 'bigger' WR not matter anymore? are the deep shots worth the lack of a big body in the redzone? we've all sung the same tune for a reason. if this happens, that possibility of getting that big body likely goes away.

WR is deep. we can still get a guy in the 3rd that does both and wont cost whatever desean thinks he's worth on a yrly basis.
A guy in the 3rd to match what Jackson can do? Seriously, WTH? We will be lucky if even 1 WR from this draft amounts to the type of player Jackson is. He's a bonafied star with WR1 ability and one of the most dangerous deep threats in the NFL today. These guys don't grow on trees and rolling the dice with a rookie vs. the proven commodity is just foolish.
Yeah he's really good but he was just let go for nothing. Pro bowl wr released in his prime? Where there's smoke there's fire.

 

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