***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)

[Marvelous]

Still don't recall "so many" linemen the Skins have cut they have become starters for other teams but I could be wrong.

I suppose it depends on how far you want to go back, and how one would define "so many", but some examples (in addition to Rinehart) might be:

Derrick Dockery left to start in Buffalo, and came back, and then left again (to Dallas, with only a handful of starts in his last couple of seasons).

Tony Pashos was signed last (?) offseason then was cut, picked up by the Raiders and started. Stephon Heyer also got cut and went to the Raiders (a few years ago), but started sparingly.

A worn out Jon Jansen was signed by the Lions and ended up starting a couple of games.

Sean Locklear passed through here with a few starts (for suspended Trent Williams) then went to get some starts for the Giants.

Willie Smith also got some starts here while Williams was suspended, then went to Oakland to start. Looks like he is now Rinehart's backup.

Edwin Williams was a UDFA we signed in '09, cut in '10 and proceeded to get some starts in Chicago over the next few years.

Those are most of the ones I could quickly look up through PFR and/or remember. I feel like there were some other FAs and/or draft picks that never started for the 'Skins but got some PT going elsewhere (like Pashos).

Heyer, Locklear, and Rinehart where the main ones I remember.

I never claimed they were good starters. I was trying to show how scarce good linemen are and that these guys can get jobs and starts in the NFL.

 

[Marvelous]

Ryan Grant -- are the Redskins going to be able to keep this guy? I know that we have good depth at receiver, but this guy just seems to have the goods. I think if we throw him on Practice Squad someone will snag him. What are the odds we keep him?

He's a roster lock, our 4th or 5th receiver. The real roster battle at WR, if there is one, is between Robinson and Moss.

Or we keep them all and PUP or cut Hankerson. Actually I think Hankerson is gone either way.

I heard Moss is a near lock to make the roster. Grant is a lock. The big question is do they keep a 6th wr. If so, Robinson is the leading candidate and Nick Williams has an outside shot. I am assuming Hankerson starts on the PUP list.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Ryan Grant -- are the Redskins going to be able to keep this guy? I know that we have good depth at receiver, but this guy just seems to have the goods. I think if we throw him on Practice Squad someone will snag him. What are the odds we keep him?

He's a roster lock, our 4th or 5th receiver. The real roster battle at WR, if there is one, is between Robinson and Moss.

Or we keep them all and PUP or cut Hankerson. Actually I think Hankerson is gone either way.

I heard Moss is a near lock to make the roster. Grant is a lock. The big question is do they keep a 6th wr. If so, Robinson is the leading candidate and Nick Williams has an outside shot. I am assuming Hankerson starts on the PUP list.

Honestly I think on offense we're stuck between a 3rd QB, 4th RB or 6th WR.

Gonna be some tough cuts tomorrow. Wish we'd just cut McCoy.

 

[fatness]

I don't think they'll cut McCoy. I think he's their backup QB once Cousins is traded or his contract is up. And if you look at McCoy's stat line last night it was very Cousins-like: 22/29, 321 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT

 

[fatness]

Ryan Grant looked like a veteran playing amongst scrubs last night. The guy's just good.

Second team defensive line looked good.

Third team defensive line looked terrible.

Richard Crawford looked lost; he's gone.

Gabe Miller probably made the team.

 

[fatness]

Rumor is that Dan Snyder will be cut.

 

[dgreen]

Yeah, no chance Grant is cut. I think he should be WR4 and be active each week. If they were going to cut Moss, I think they would have done it in the first round last week. I wonder if he'll be inactive a lot, though.

The RB cuts are going to be interesting.

It is nice to think they have improved their depth, but so much still relies on Griffin. Man, I hope he can get comfortable and grow.

 

[dgreen]

Richard Crawford looked lost; he's gone.

Crawford cut.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Richard Crawford looked lost; he's gone.

Crawford cut.

Twitter showing three cuts so far: Richard Crawford, Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith & Tevita Stevens

ETA: Add TE Ted Bolser to the cut list. Not sure about Cromartie-Smith, but the other 3 are PS eligible.

 

[packer_junkie]

Real question is: what kind of numbers can I expect from RG3 week 1?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Yeah, no chance Grant is cut. I think he should be WR4 and be active each week. If they were going to cut Moss, I think they would have done it in the first round last week. I wonder if he'll be inactive a lot, though.

Most of the final cut predictions I've seen have them carrying 6 WRs and Moss didn't play last night which suggests he's safe. Keim seems to think Grant is the no-brainer #4. I have a hard time seeing a good reason to hang on to Moss, though, if he's inactive a lot.

 

[dgreen]

Yeah, no chance Grant is cut. I think he should be WR4 and be active each week. If they were going to cut Moss, I think they would have done it in the first round last week. I wonder if he'll be inactive a lot, though.

Most of the final cut predictions I've seen have them carrying 6 WRs and Moss didn't play last night which suggests he's safe. Keim seems to think Grant is the no-brainer #4. I have a hard time seeing a good reason to hang on to Moss, though, if he's inactive a lot.

Agree. There's only the "leadership" or "locker room" argument if he's going to be inactive most weeks. And that's probably an overused argument.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Royster, seastrunk and Thompson all released.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

The unexpected standouts this preseason were Murphy, Grant, Redd, Breeland, May, and McCoy.

Murphy did enough that he will see lots of game action

Grant despite his performance will probably end up buried on the bench behind a lot of good WRs. Unless they come up with a spread offense of some type.

Redd did enough to prove he can fight with Helu for the 3rd down back job.

Breeland proved he can be a serviceable backup

May looks like a pretty good punter

McCoy will probably be cut, and I think he did enough to be picked up by a team that wants to keep 3 QBs.


The interesting decisions...

Moss - I'd drop him for Robinson and only carry 5 WRs. He is a veteran leader, but he's led a crappy team over the years and can't play ST anymore.
Seastrunk, Thompson, and Royster - Should all be gone. Practice squad candidates if they aren't picked up.
Merriweather - He may get cut if a similar player is released by another team


I think our D is good. I think our O has some great position players. ST has been upgraded. This season all comes down to the OL and RG3. They gotta step up way more than we've seen thus far.

 

[Archer]

Pretty accurate

I think our D is good. I think our O has some great position players. ST has been upgraded. This season all comes down to the OL and RG3. They gotta step up way more than we've seen thus far.

I'd say this is about spot on. Although I'd feel a little safer saying our D is "better" as opposed to "good" but we'll find out soon enough!!!

 

[Milkman]

Don't mean to be a Debbie downer but we're in trouble. RGBadknee has regressed.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Don't mean to be a Debbie downer but we're in trouble. RGBadknee has regressed.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I'm pissed you guys kept Redd, but happy you released Seastrunk.

 

[Marvelous]

Royster, seastrunk and Thompson all released.

The RBs looked pretty good, but in the current NFL, backup running backs are a dime a dozen. It is pretty hard to justify carrying 4 RBs (5 if you include Darrell Young).

It looks like the Redskins are confident that Morris and Helu can carry the load. Morris is a beast, but Helu has had injury issues in the past.

 

[Marvelous]

Redd did enough to prove he can fight with Helu for the 3rd down back job.

Breeland proved he can be a serviceable backup

I though Redd was more of a bruising RB than a 3rd down back.

Breeland looks like a future starter.

 

[Marvelous]

Here is the list of moves from hogshaven.com.

Richard Crawford, CB

Tevita Stevens, C

Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith, S

Ted Bolser, TE

Kevin Kowalski, C

Lee Doss, WR

Robert Malone, P

Robert Thomas, NT

Chris Thompson, RB

Lache Seastrunk, RB

Evan Royster, RB

Phillip Thomas, SS

Chase Minnifield, CB

Everette Brown, OLB

Zach Hocker, K

Nick Williams, WR

Stephen Bowen, DE (PUP)

Brandon Meriweather, SS (SUS)

Phillip Thomas, who many thought the Redskins should draft in the 2nd round last year, is cut. He is a 4th round pick who lasted 1 year on IR for the Redskins. Maybe he goes to the practice squad.

 

[fatness]

Don't mean to be a Debbie downer but

 

[fatness]

Royster, seastrunk and Thompson all released.

The RBs looked pretty good, but in the current NFL, backup running backs are a dime a dozen. It is pretty hard to justify carrying 4 RBs (5 if you include Darrell Young).

It looks like the Redskins are confident that Morris and Helu can carry the load. Morris is a beast, but Helu has had injury issues in the past.

Young doesn't get enough credit. The guy is a really good blocker, and he's the only Redskin RB the beat reporters constantly refer to as "polished".

Glad they kept Redd. Seastrunk could use a year on the practice squad. He's only just learning to catch passes and can't pass block worth a lick. One of those is correctable with coaching; the other may or may not develop.

Royster was "just a guy". He could play well enough if needed, but not as well as Redd. Thompson is hurt way too much to justify keeping.

 

[fatness]

Here is the list of moves from hogshaven.com.

Richard Crawford, CB

Tevita Stevens, C

Da'Mon Cromartie-Smith, S

Ted Bolser, TE

Kevin Kowalski, C

Lee Doss, WR

Robert Malone, P

Robert Thomas, NT

Chris Thompson, RB

Lache Seastrunk, RB

Evan Royster, RB

Phillip Thomas, SS

Chase Minnifield, CB

Everette Brown, OLB

Zach Hocker, K

Nick Williams, WR

Stephen Bowen, DE (PUP)

Brandon Meriweather, SS (SUS)

Phillip Thomas, who many thought the Redskins should draft in the 2nd round last year, is cut. He is a 4th round pick who lasted 1 year on IR for the Redskins. Maybe he goes to the practice squad.

Thomas is the most surprising cut. But he didn't play a down last year, isn't ready to play this year, and hasn't developed much since being drafted. This team has always wasted too many roster spots on injured guys and I'm glad to see that decreasing.

Bowen's on PUP as is Hankerson. I wouldn't be surprised if neither played this year.

Nick Williams never looked like he belonged on the team, ever. Everette Brown is the only cut I'm sorry to see, but Gabe Miller just outplayed him.

 

[fatness]

What’s next: The Redskins could make another move or two before the season opener, especially at punter considering Tress Way has zero career punts. It would be surprising if they didn’t at least work out veteran punters. Also, the Redskins are thin at safety with Brandon Meriweather suspended for the first two games. They kept four, including two inexperienced backups in Akeem Davis and Trenton Robinson. Both, however, will help special teams – but the Redskins will have a tough decision to make when Meriweather returns after the second game. The Redskins won't have to make a decision on end Stephen Bowen or wide receiver Leonard Hankerson until after the sixth week as both were played on the physically unable to perform list.

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/10397/washington-redskins-cut-down-analysis-3?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[fatness]

The Redskins never thought that Seastrunk was close. Sure, the 80-yard touchdown catch-and-run made it a more difficult decision, but Seastrunk was soooo far behind in other areas, that he just couldn't close the gap.He's an ideal practice squad candidate but his speed will make it difficult to sneak him thru to the taxi squad.

Selecting Kai Forbath over Zach Hocker makes sense because Forbath is more reliable and experienced when it comes to kicking field goals. The Redskins had to value that over kickoffs in the end because their red zone offense has been putrid since the start of the 2013 regular season and has continued in the 2014 preseason.

I had heard that there was some differing opinions on the coaching staff in this regard, but that ultimately Bruce Allen and/or Jay Gruden chose to go with Forbath. It's probably the right call, although Forbath is far from automatic as he has been painted out to be by many.

The Redskins are going deep on their defensive line with seven players in the wake of Chris Neild's injury. They will carry Kearse along with Jason Hatcher, Chris Baker, Clifton Geathers, Kedric Golston and Jarvis Jenkins. Only one true nose tackle in Barry Cofield is on the roster.

Chris Russell http://www.espn980.com/includes/blog/index.php?action=blog&blog_id=8&post_id=19771

 

[fatness]

LB Darryl Sharpton, NT Chris Neild on IR

 

[dgreen]

Interesting. Signed Duke Ihenacho. I don't know a ton about him other than he was a hot IDP commodity early last year. Not sure why Denver cut him.

 

[dehaven123]

Interesting. Signed Duke Ihenacho. I don't know a ton about him other than he was a hot IDP commodity early last year. Not sure why Denver cut him.

nice! just read the rookie safety davis will move to pratice squad, too.

any background on why he didn't make the broncos roster, guys?

he started a ton of gms last yr for denver...

 

[dgreen]

From the Denver Post:

According to NFL sources, Ihenacho was waived Saturday, beaten out at strong safety by the free-agent signing of T.J. Ward and return from injury of Quinton Carter. Ihenacho is also a strong special teams performer, but backup safety David Bruton already has that covered.

So it doesn't sound like there's really much wrong with him, just that Denver is deep at that position.

Keim tweeted that Ihenacho is good in the box but struggles a bit in coverage.

 

[dehaven123]

From the Denver Post:

According to NFL sources, Ihenacho was waived Saturday, beaten out at strong safety by the free-agent signing of T.J. Ward and return from injury of Quinton Carter. Ihenacho is also a strong special teams performer, but backup safety David Bruton already has that covered.

So it doesn't sound like there's really much wrong with him, just that Denver is deep at that position.

Keim tweeted that Ihenacho is good in the box but struggles a bit in coverage.

 

[Sebowski]

Remember a couple years ago when we had a rookie QB and a thin roster? Preseason was vanilla. We hoped for 6 wins. Then, Sunday. The mighty Saints. In New Orleans. BAM! They had no idea what hit them and neither did we. It was just awesome.

Good times.

 

[fatness]

Some of the better players from the Broncos' AFC championship team last year didn't make the 53-man roster this year.

Lined through the grim process of cutting their roster from 75 to 53 players Friday and Saturday, the Broncos may have presented evidence of improvement.

Duke Ihenacho started 17 games for the Broncos last season, including their two AFC playoff wins and Super Bowl defeat.

Ihenacho was waived Saturday, beaten out at strong safety by the free-agent signing of T.J. Ward and return from injury of Quinton Carter.

And while Ihenacho also is a strong special-teams performer, backup safety David Bruton already had that covered.

Article from the Denver Post when Ihenacho was cut: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_26440885/broncos-cut-roster-53-trimming-ihenacho-vickerson-dysert

I bet the Skins hated putting Davis on the practice squad since he's been so good on special teams. And at the same time I bet they're relieved at putting him on the practice squad since he's not so good at safety.

Edited to add: Ihenacho may not work out well. On the other hand he may be the best safety on the Skins rosters.

 

[fatness]

Practice squad

The Redskins signed eight players to their practice squad and will add a ninth once he clears waivers. Every player they signed was with the team this summer.

Washington signed tight end Ted Bolser, corner Richard Crawford, corner Chase Minnifield, offensive lineman Tevita Stevens, safety Phillip Thomas, nose tackle Robert Thomas, running back Chris Thompson and receiver Nick Williams. They waived Akeem Davis from the 53-man roster after claiming safety Duke Ihenacho off waivers. They will sign Davis to the practice squad once he clears waivers, according to a source.

All of the eight signed players were cut by Washington in the last week. The player missing from the list: rookie running back Lache Seastrunk. The Redskins could add one more player to the practice squad for a total of 10.

This is the most obvious time of year for fans of a team to see how they tend to overrate their team's players. The team cuts guys we'd be hoping they kept, and nobody else in the entire league picks them up.

 

[fatness]

Mike Jones ‏@MikeJonesWaPo 30m

Source says Seastrunk hasn't signed to practice squad because last minute, team informed his camp they were going a different direction.

No need to get all in a huff, rookie.

 

[fatness]

Mike Jones @MikeJonesWaPo · 9h

Ihenacho: Strong safety. 6-1, 207. 73 tackles and three forced fumbles last season.

 

[fatness]

Now's the time to predict this season's record.

7-9

 

[ConnSKINS26]

9-7.

 

[Milkman]

5-11 RGswollenknee will regress and D - Jax will be pissing everybody off by week 7. This is a dumpster fire of a team and it sucks being a fan. Still hope I'm wrong about everything but............... I'm not.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

my prediction 7-9.

 

[jbz]

6-10

 

[PinkydaPimp]

On the plus side we should know where we stand after week 5: Texans, Jags, Eagles, Giants, Seattle. Nice mix of teams we "should" beat, divisional matchups and defending champs.

 

[fatness]

I think we'll know a lot after 2 weeks. When a 3-13 team starts the season against 2 teams who were worse last year, it's a good way to see if the 3-13 team is still in the dregs of the league.

 

[Archer]

5-11 RGswollenknee will regress and D - Jax will be pissing everybody off by week 7. This is a dumpster fire of a team and it sucks being a fan. Still hope I'm wrong about everything but............... I'm not.

If they win 6 games will you stop posting here? Better yet, just become a Dallas fan openly?

 

[Milkman]

5-11 RGswollenknee will regress and D - Jax will be pissing everybody off by week 7. This is a dumpster fire of a team and it sucks being a fan. Still hope I'm wrong about everything but............... I'm not.

If they win 6 games will you stop posting here? Better yet, just become a Dallas fan openly?

Why because I'm not going crazy about our ####ty team right now? Aren't you the homer that's pimping Reed as the #2 TE in the league this year and you just happen to be a Redskin fan? LOL Archer.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Why because I'm not going crazy about our ####ty team right now? Aren't you the homer that's pimping Reed as the #2 TE in the league this year and you just happen to be a Redskin fan? LOL Archer.

Yes, because there are no other levels of fandom between overly whiny doosh and blind homer.

 

[Milkman]

Why because I'm not going crazy about our ####ty team right now? Aren't you the homer that's pimping Reed as the #2 TE in the league this year and you just happen to be a Redskin fan? LOL Archer.

Yes, because there are no other levels of fandom between overly whiny doosh and blind homer.

hmmmm the question "How many games are we going to win this year?" was asked. I answered the question. What's the problem again?

 

[Archer]

every post is slamming RG3, and it gets old dude. We get it. And not for one minute do I believe you are a REAL Skins fan. But whatever works for ya...I hope you enjoy the season.

 

[Milkman]

RG3 Sucks right now Archer! If he was playing good I'd be all over his nuts. He's not. He hasn't been for two years and when he did play well they were running some BS gimmick offense.

I'm a realist dude. We sold the farm for RG3. Guess what? I think it was a good trade because of what RG3 had the potential to become. If he bombs this year, which it looks like he's going to do right now, then guess what? We didn't get our franchise QB and this team is back to square one. RG3 doesn't work out and we are a bottom 5 team in the league devoid of almost any talent period.

On a side note. I don't give a #### what you think of me. You dig?

 

[fatness]

Soooooo, you used to be water1?

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