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***Official*** Washington Redskins 2014 Thread (In-Season) (1 Viewer)

packersfan said:
I agree Cousins was terrible. But in my opinion McCoy is worse and possibly/likely much worse.
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At least McCoy doesn't stare down only one receiver, gives a the offense a fighting chance as the progression of receiver options is essential to any chance of a successful passing game.

 
nittanylion said:
Regardless of the shape he's in - physical shape or 'football shape' (including the mental side) - it would be counter-productive to put him on the field behind that embarrassing sieve of an offensive line. All those snazzy parts and pieces at the 'skill positions' are absolutely worthless if he doesn't have time: time to manage the huddle and game clock so he has time to figure things out when breaking the huddle and approaching line of scrimmage (something he's still working on), time to recognize blitzes pre-snap (something he's still working on), time to dissect coverages pre-snap (something he's still working on), time to identify the 'Mike' LB pre-snap (something he's still working on), time to locate the free safety, pre-snap (something he's still working on), and time to go through his progressions, identify the mismatch, and make the correct throw (something he's still working on) - including when to run, and when to throw the ball away and how not to take a sack/loss of yardage (somethings he's still working on).

Developing a QB starts and ends with giving him time in the pocket to set up and do all those things, in order. Average veteran QB's have a tough enough time doing that on their own, much less a 3rd year athelete who's still learning the QB position at the NFL level, who's only actually played all or part of 75% of the games he's been under contract for (30 out of 40 including the upcoming game he's guaranteed to miss).

This is going to sound like a knock on Griff, but it's not - Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson, he ain't.

To maximize his development into whatever he ultimately becomes, he needs time...and the biggest impediment to getting the time he needs is that crap O-line we're going to be trotting out for the rest of this Season. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but there's nothing but an offseason of Free Agency and a Draft that's going to fix that problem.

Also sorry to see Gruden (or whoever), making the choice to start McCoy on MNF against the Cowboys, for the following reasons: there's nothing invested in Colt McCoy - he's been in the NFL long enough that he's a known commodity, with a known ceiling, and it's a low ceiling. Colt is a game-manager with limited upside, and lacks the arm strength to work the whole field, and subsequently limits the amount of offense we can install to plays that only extend about 20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. He's the 'safe' play. Teams with something to play for use the 'safe' play. At 2-5, with a largely 2nd string NFL caliber defense missing maybe not it's best, but it's most key player (DeAngelo Hall), and one of it's few other players who would actually start for another NFL Team (Orakpo), the 2014 Redskins are not going anywhere.

Despite Cousins' propensity for erroneous decisions, he's still an investment, and it's our investments who should be getting the on-field work. Also, with Cousins in, we're capable of opening the whole playbook, which we must be able to do in order to even try and compete with the Cowboys. Also, opening the whole playbook gets everyone else on the offense who may or may not be here next year, much needed reps with the entire offensive package. Colt McCoy does not have the arm or core strength to get the ball to DeSean Jackson 50 yards downfield. The Garcon TD on Sunday was 90% Pierre, and that play isn't going to be there very often when McCoy is starting a whole game against a team to prepare vs his limitations. You take that deep threat away, and it makes the whole game easier for the Cowboys defense to squat down inside the short middle area that Colt is capable of delivering the ball in. When they do this, they take advantage of his other liability - he can't throw the ball hard, either, and has a limited trajectory (height of throws). When pass defenses are in squat mode, they can get places within the limited area faster, and linemen can get their hands up because angles become more predictable, which leads to bat-downs, knock-downs, and interceptions.

Those of you who want to enjoy a night of 'Charlie Check-down' have at it. Seeing as how the only reason we have a shot in this game is that history says regardless of the caliber of the Teams that hit the field, you can throw the baby out with the bathwater most of the time the Redskins play the Cowboys. In that situation, regardless of the mistakes he might, or might not, make, I want the guy on the field that has the arm to make all the throws, because the throws that Cousins can make, that Colt can't (the deep bombs that stretch the field and keep the defense from squatting), are the kind of throws we need to threaten them with to keep them honest and possibly hit the big play. Not likely to win this game regardless, but limiting the offense, and taking away the threat of the big play is one sure way of limiting what little chance there is.

Frustrating.
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The thought of so many in this fan base that Cousins can play to net a high pick is one of the crazier things I can remember around here.
 
Watch, we'll win it tonight...yippie we beat the Cowboys, booooo hurt our desperately needed draft slot. That said, we normally perform worse in primetime games, so it could get real ugly.

 
I love my skins and don't doubt we could put up some points tonight....but I don't see how our defense can make needed stops against the Dallas offense. Afraid this game could get ugly. Hope I'm wrong though

 
Prediction...

Cowgirls 37 Washington Team 13

McCoy goes 12-25 with 2 picks if he even makes it the whole game. There's a reason he's a backup to a backup. Skins Defense will look even more like swiss cheese than usual. This is going to be ugly...very ugly.

 
As I said earlier this week, anything can happen in this rivalry. I do expect it to be close for 3 quarters with Dallas eventually pulling away. Going with 33-24 Dallas. Hope both teams leave healthy.

 
Not expecting a W for my Skins but looking for some improvement in certain areas.

Special teams especially need to raise their game.

We need a bettet starting position for our O to begin from.

 
It's hard to picture the defense slowing Dallas down at all. They're without:

Cofield

Hall

Orakpo

That's 3 of their 5 best defensive players (Kerrigan and K. Robinson being the others).

 
thayman said:
nittanylion said:
Regardless of the shape he's in - physical shape or 'football shape' (including the mental side) - it would be counter-productive to put him on the field behind that embarrassing sieve of an offensive line. All those snazzy parts and pieces at the 'skill positions' are absolutely worthless if he doesn't have time: time to manage the huddle and game clock so he has time to figure things out when breaking the huddle and approaching line of scrimmage (something he's still working on), time to recognize blitzes pre-snap (something he's still working on), time to dissect coverages pre-snap (something he's still working on), time to identify the 'Mike' LB pre-snap (something he's still working on), time to locate the free safety, pre-snap (something he's still working on), and time to go through his progressions, identify the mismatch, and make the correct throw (something he's still working on) - including when to run, and when to throw the ball away and how not to take a sack/loss of yardage (somethings he's still working on).

Developing a QB starts and ends with giving him time in the pocket to set up and do all those things, in order. Average veteran QB's have a tough enough time doing that on their own, much less a 3rd year athelete who's still learning the QB position at the NFL level, who's only actually played all or part of 75% of the games he's been under contract for (30 out of 40 including the upcoming game he's guaranteed to miss).

This is going to sound like a knock on Griff, but it's not - Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson, he ain't.

To maximize his development into whatever he ultimately becomes, he needs time...and the biggest impediment to getting the time he needs is that crap O-line we're going to be trotting out for the rest of this Season. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but there's nothing but an offseason of Free Agency and a Draft that's going to fix that problem.

Also sorry to see Gruden (or whoever), making the choice to start McCoy on MNF against the Cowboys, for the following reasons: there's nothing invested in Colt McCoy - he's been in the NFL long enough that he's a known commodity, with a known ceiling, and it's a low ceiling. Colt is a game-manager with limited upside, and lacks the arm strength to work the whole field, and subsequently limits the amount of offense we can install to plays that only extend about 20 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. He's the 'safe' play. Teams with something to play for use the 'safe' play. At 2-5, with a largely 2nd string NFL caliber defense missing maybe not it's best, but it's most key player (DeAngelo Hall), and one of it's few other players who would actually start for another NFL Team (Orakpo), the 2014 Redskins are not going anywhere.

Despite Cousins' propensity for erroneous decisions, he's still an investment, and it's our investments who should be getting the on-field work. Also, with Cousins in, we're capable of opening the whole playbook, which we must be able to do in order to even try and compete with the Cowboys. Also, opening the whole playbook gets everyone else on the offense who may or may not be here next year, much needed reps with the entire offensive package. Colt McCoy does not have the arm or core strength to get the ball to DeSean Jackson 50 yards downfield. The Garcon TD on Sunday was 90% Pierre, and that play isn't going to be there very often when McCoy is starting a whole game against a team to prepare vs his limitations. You take that deep threat away, and it makes the whole game easier for the Cowboys defense to squat down inside the short middle area that Colt is capable of delivering the ball in. When they do this, they take advantage of his other liability - he can't throw the ball hard, either, and has a limited trajectory (height of throws). When pass defenses are in squat mode, they can get places within the limited area faster, and linemen can get their hands up because angles become more predictable, which leads to bat-downs, knock-downs, and interceptions.

Those of you who want to enjoy a night of 'Charlie Check-down' have at it. Seeing as how the only reason we have a shot in this game is that history says regardless of the caliber of the Teams that hit the field, you can throw the baby out with the bathwater most of the time the Redskins play the Cowboys. In that situation, regardless of the mistakes he might, or might not, make, I want the guy on the field that has the arm to make all the throws, because the throws that Cousins can make, that Colt can't (the deep bombs that stretch the field and keep the defense from squatting), are the kind of throws we need to threaten them with to keep them honest and possibly hit the big play. Not likely to win this game regardless, but limiting the offense, and taking away the threat of the big play is one sure way of limiting what little chance there is.

Frustrating.
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The thought of so many in this fan base that Cousins can play to net a high pick is one of the crazier things I can remember around here.
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Please identify where I make that claim in this particular post, or ever. This post may not say what you think it says. I'll be happy to clarify it at a later date, if you wish...

...there's plenty of material in this particular post that's dead-on when it comes to this Team, and that's worthy of extended discussion, so I'm sorry if that's all you or anyone else is taking from it.

A caller on Grant/Danny 106.7 today had an excellent take on tonight's outcome, based on the Redskins befuddling hard-luck history, and how things just seem to happen for this Team of ours: Redskins lose a close one in the final seconds or final play; Colt plays great and looks like he can lead the Team for as long as it takes for Griff to come back fully healthy...they head to Minnesota for the Week 9 tilt with the hapless Vikings, and promptly get their doors blown off, looking like complete crap in the process.

Sometimes it's better not to know...

You want some rah-rah-sis-boom-bah happy crappy stuff? Also from Grant/Danny: "Hey guys, if we can just get past the Cowboys, only the Vikings and Buccaneers stand between us and .500!!! And you know what 5-5 means?

....IN THE HUNT!!!

Ugh.

There's no point predicting the outcome, because time and time again, if one thing's true about this series, things rarely turn out as they 'should'.

Jeebus, is it just me, or does Colt McCoy look like Luke Skywalker? Uh-oh...

Redskins, Redskins, Redskins. Because until it's not their name, it is, and they should be addressed as such, especially by folks calling themselves their fans.

Hail to the REDSKINS!!!

:football:

 
Not so fast on that RG3 has to start next week talk. I don't care how much stroke super Bob has with the boss they aren't putting him in the game next week after this win.

 
Our young CBs deserve the game ball tonight. And yes, a healthy and accurate RG3 with these weapons makes me wanna drool....

 
I didn't know I still cared this much about football. I've been pacing back and forth in the house going "WOW!" for the last 5 minutes.

That was actually a football game. We actually have a football team.

I like this ####!

 
Feels like forever since I was this pumped after a game. I guess it's only been less than two years, but it's been a rough run since the playoff loss. I'm not taking this win to mean too much going forward, but it just feels good and makes next week more exciting. Please don't lay an egg in Minnesota.

 
Amerson and especially Breeland were outstanding.

Perry Riley actually played defense. I don't think they were in zone coverage, where he's lost.

Alfred looked better. Get him on the field more and Helu less.

And our QB played a controlled game and moved the ball.

 
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so every now and then were reminded why we love football so much. that was a great game to watch.

amazing to see what this team can do if we win the turnover battle.

 
Give credit where credit is due, all around, boys: Whipping boy Meriweather had as much to do with tonight's outcome as anyone on the Defense...

...and can we have this version of Haslett calling the D from here on out? I mean, what WAS that, all that pressure at the end??? That. Was. Awesome. Those last two Cowboy possessions, I just couldn't believe it. I was screaming at the TV "Come on, Haslett! DO IT AGAIN!! BRINGITBRINGITBRINGITDON'T####OUTGET'EMGET'EMGOGETHEROMO!!!"

I want to see that every week. I think I could even care less about the results sometimes if the defense brought the pressure like that every down.

Given what we've had to put up with for how long (?), that was unbelievable. Unbelievable, man.

 
fatness said:
I didn't know I still cared this much about football. I've been pacing back and forth in the house going "WOW!" for the last 5 minutes.

That was actually a football game. We actually have a football team.

I like this ####!
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The Zorn era and most of the Shanahan era kind of hardened my heart a bit. Made me the kind of fan that just laughs sadly at a turnover or penalty or defensive breakdown.

Tonight, my heart was hammering like crazy. I was pacing, bouncing, on the edge of my seat, talking to myself, yelling at the refs...

I felt like I went back in time to the Gibbs II years where I was in high school/college and a win or loss would dramatically effect my mood for an entire week.

That's how you win over the fans, Gruden. Keep it up.

 
Glad to say i was wrong about not getting the W.

You played with heart Redskins and was especially pleased with the improvement on Special Team

HTTR

 
I'm embarrassed by all of you who said we didn't stand a chance. It is the ####### NFL! It is a divisional game! How many of you cynics spent 90% of the game saying "we're going to blow it" instead of just enjoying it having some faith? #### that. #### the Cowboys. This will be a respectable season for us and something to build on. Just like I said before the Titans game.

Hook 'em Hooooooooorns!

 
I'm not a Washington fan, but all my buddies back home are. They used to text or call all the time after big games. Not so much anymore. Tonight, though, I get a text minutes after the game:

#### Yeah!! Hahahahaha! #### the Cowboys!"
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I haven't gotten a text like that from Mike in a looong time. I'm happy for my buddies back home, and Washington fans overall. It's better for the League when Dallas and Washington have epic battles, and both teams are relevant.

Good game tonight, fellas.

 
I've never been happier to be wrong in my life! Whata great win for this team. Nothing like beating your rival on the road on MNF when no one was giving you a chance.

Breeland played the game of his life when we needed him the most. Kid is going to be a stud!!

I'm still pumped over this win!!!! HTTR!!!!!!!!

 
Congratulations redskins fans. You guys were clearly the better team last night. The Cowboys were outplayed and outcoached on their own field. Romo just couldn't figure out that blitz.

Big win for y'all, see you at the game on the 28th of December!!!!

 
nittanylion said:
Give credit where credit is due, all around, boys: Whipping boy Meriweather had as much to do with tonight's outcome as anyone on the Defense...
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Yeah, he really had a good game. They never saw him coming on blitzes and he didn't blitz straight into a blocker like the Skins usually do.

Breeland had 6 tackes and 4 passes defensed.

Amerson had 4 tackles and 4 passes defensed.

Keenan Robinson had 10 tackles.

Lining up the whole defense right on the line seemed to confuse the Cowboys all night. It was only effective because they got to Romo, though, and because the CB's covered so well. Later in the game Romo was dodging defenders that weren't even there.

Alfred Morris had a good game.

And they have some receiver named Jackson who keeps getting open.

 
Lots of classy Cowboys fans in this thread. Good game tonight and glad your QB is healthy for next week. Your good season continues...

 
MikeApf said:
On the topic of who will start next week -- was just in the car listening to Sports Radio 106.7: Grant Paulsen, Danny Roulie (sp) and (wait for it) Fred Smoot (haha). They were discussing "who should start vs. Dallas." All were adamant that Gruden should go back to Cousins vs. Dallas. Several rationals:

1. Griffin may practice this Wednesday but golly gee can we let him practice a little bit before starting him?

2. Cousins has problems but he is potentially a longer term investment here, so much like Griffin, let him get in there and grow. Who knows, he may stay here as a very capable backup (not sure anyone is signing him primo FA dollars to start right now).

3. We are doing with Colt what we did with Cousins. He comes in one half, throws mostly dinks and dunks, Pierre Garcon single handedly gives him over half his yards and his TDs after a glorified screen pass..and now LET'S GO WITH COLT! But in reality, Colt was third string here for a reason, JUST as Cousins was second string for a reason. WIth the season lost, emphasis should be placed on building up guys who are gonna be here. STAY THE COURSE!

4. While Cousins makes mistakes, he also has more of an ability to go downfield than Colt, and you may need that to stay with Dallas. Dink and dunk, and you will lose for sure. Go for it and you will likely lose but MAY win.

I kind of see where the guys are coming from. I know that Cousins has been a turnover machine but there is a part of me that thinks, you have to try Cousins one more time at Dallas. You can chalk this one benching up to a situational benching as long as you go back to him. But if you essentially demote him to third string now, he's likely done here. EVEN with his INT problems, not sure I'm quite ready for that. Still think that he can learn to be more cool in the pocket and be a very, very capable second stringer here.

If we lose to Dallas it doesn't matter. Whatever decision we make should have long term thinking behind it. WIth that said, does it make more sense to try on Colt for the future or try to salvage Cousins?
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Well, I am very happy to admit that I was wrong last week. I guess that's why they are paying Gruden to coach and not me...his move to Colt McCoy paid off.

Can't wait to see what the Skins may be able to do with Griffin back in there. The way D-Jax is getting open deep and the way he throws the deep ball, I think that can be a deadly combo in the second half of the season.

It was interesting to me to watch Colt McCoy run the ball as well, and there were times that he did things that I thought Griffin has done very well also. I'm thinking particularly about the QB draw for a score. Hope they let Griffin run as Colt did and he will likely perform even better.

Redskins can't let up going to Minnesota. If they can steal another road win they may claw their way back to respectability.

 
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