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Carriker is looking like a 10-16 pick. If they take him at 1.06 I would be suprised. I'm not sure if he is better than Jamaal Anderson. Anderson has more upside from what I can see with Carriker being the more polished at this time but with less physical skills. A pass rushing end would be better than a run stopper and that is what Carriker would be.
I should add that I happen to believe that Andre Carter will flourish as a pass rusher if he has enough support from his fellow D-linemen to draw blocking away from him. Carriker would provide that. Because of that belief on my part about Carter, I don't think we need someone who can pass rush as much as we need a well-rounded player who can do a lot of different things. Carriker is still the kind of guy who can get 8-10 sacks in any given year, but what I'd love for him to do is to allow Carter to get 12 sacks and Griffen to get 5-6 sacks. I don't see Anderson being able to do that from the strong side LDE position, much less the even smaller Adams.
The draft pick chart puts that move down in value at 250 points, which translates to an early 3rd. If history is any guide, though, when it isn't just a draft position but a specific player that a team is targeting to trade up, they pay more than market value. See the Giants re Eli Manning w/the Chargers; and the Chargers re Ryan Leaf w/the Cardinals.
Agreed re Salave'a; I'm not so sure about Griffin. The reason for me to think of DE as a greater need is that I think that we have enough depth at DT to make it work for another year, especially with Golston in there. I'd love for Montgomery to take off too, but our depth there is good. OTOH, our RDE spot was invisible all last year, and that's because Wynn is just a warm body there anymore and Daniels is out of position there, being a natural LDE. There is no doubt, though, that the line is what needs bolstering.
I've read in places that part of Carriker's appeal is that he could also play DT in the NFL. While I wouldn't mind picking Okoye at #6, trading down and getting Carriker would not only net extra picks but also grab one player that instantly provides depth and flexibility across the DL.I think I'd be happy in either situation. As long as a quality player is added to the DL then this draft gets a
from me.
Just get d-line!If they trade up for CJ, I'm going to punch my tv.I've read in places that part of Carriker's appeal is that he could also play DT in the NFL. While I wouldn't mind picking Okoye at #6, trading down and getting Carriker would not only net extra picks but also grab one player that instantly provides depth and flexibility across the DL.I think I'd be happy in either situation. As long as a quality player is added to the DL then this draft gets afrom me.
Exactly my thought. Carriker would make for an interesting nickel DT. Could you imagine the number of batted balls he'll have at 6'7", especially with Blache coaching him up on getting his arms up?Sidewinder16 said:I've read in places that part of Carriker's appeal is that he could also play DT in the NFL. While I wouldn't mind picking Okoye at #6, trading down and getting Carriker would not only net extra picks but also grab one player that instantly provides depth and flexibility across the DL.I think I'd be happy in either situation. As long as a quality player is added to the DL then this draft gets afrom me.
I sure hope that doesn't happen.I just can't shake this bad feeling I have of Lance Briggs in burgendy & gold
I'd rather have CJ than Briggs.Please for the love og GOD DON'T PICK C.J.
Interesting point on Carriker's height and Blache's penchant for having has players getting their arms up. Yes, it would be nice to have some flexibility along the line.Exactly my thought. Carriker would make for an interesting nickel DT. Could you imagine the number of batted balls he'll have at 6'7", especially with Blache coaching him up on getting his arms up?Sidewinder16 said:I've read in places that part of Carriker's appeal is that he could also play DT in the NFL. While I wouldn't mind picking Okoye at #6, trading down and getting Carriker would not only net extra picks but also grab one player that instantly provides depth and flexibility across the DL.I think I'd be happy in either situation. As long as a quality player is added to the DL then this draft gets a
I just can't shake this bad feeling I have of Lance Briggs in burgendy & gold, chasing down another running back 8 yards beyond the line of scrimmage.
If that happens I'm going to punch your TV, too.
Carriker is not a top 10 pick. Why is everyone so high on him? He has good technique but he doesn't have a noticable burst and isn't a very good athelete. If we want Carriker we could probably fall to 12 and get him. If not get Jamall Anderson there. Don't be surprised if Detriot takes Calvin Johnson. If they take Adam Gaines over the best player in the draft it will be worse than taking Mike Williams.1. Jamarcus Russell2. Calvin Johnson3. Brady Quinn4. Joe Thomas5. Gaines Adams6. Andrian Peterson (Buffalo)7. Laron Laundry8. Omoby Okoye9. Levi Brown10. Patrick Willis11. Adam Carriker12. Jamaal Anderson (plus a 2nd rounder and a 4th)
Lesser of two evilsI'd rather have CJ than Briggs.Please for the love og GOD DON'T PICK C.J.
I like Tavarius Jackson and I think the Vikings do as well. They wont trade up to get Quinn and I don't think he'll make it to them at 1.07 anyway. Look for them to try to trade 1.07 and move down into the later part of the first round and get Justin Blaylock or Ben Grubbs. Maybe They might be able to get Dwayne Jarrett, or Sidney Rice with pick 2.09.I had Carriker going to the 49ers at 1.11. I think Jamaal Anderson is better fit for the Skins.
Calvin Johnson drops out of the Top 8 in your second scenario?
Jamaal Anderson has the greatest potential, but remember that the 'Skins are trying to add a LDE, meaning a guy on the strong side - unless you're just willing to write off Andre Carter which seems foolish after a strong finish last year. To me that rules out Gaines Adams who (like Carter) is too light to play on the strong side. Carriker is over 300 lbs and is attractive because of his size and versatility IMHO. He's the "safest" pick, a guy who figures to have a good career as a starter for a number of years. Anderson is the rawest of the bunch but is the best athlete and has the best potential to be a star, especially at LDE. But when will that happen? To me, Anderson is this year's version of Mario Williams. I happen to like Williams but the point is that there are no guarantees about him despite his measurables.Yamato said:
Jamaal Anderson has the greatest potential, but remember that the 'Skins are trying to add a LDE, meaning a guy on the strong side - unless you're just willing to write off Andre Carter which seems foolish after a strong finish last year. To me that rules out Gaines Adams who (like Carter) is too light to play on the strong side. Carriker is over 300 lbs and is attractive because of his size and versatility IMHO. He's the "safest" pick, a guy who figures to have a good career as a starter for a number of years. Anderson is the rawest of the bunch but is the best athlete and has the best potential to be a star, especially at LDE. But when will that happen? To me, Anderson is this year's version of Mario Williams. I happen to like Williams but the point is that there are no guarantees about him despite his measurables.Yamato said:
Slight hijack...I hear things like this all the time. I hear people say that "most teams tend to be right handed," meaning they line the TE on the right side (the defenses left side), making that the strong side. But, is this true? It seems to me teams use each side as the strong side quite often. Also, with so much shifting and motion in the game today, what starts as the strong side rarely ever ends up as the strong side.
While I agree with you that teams have tried to become more "ambidextrous" in recent years than they were a couple of decades ago, one thing is a constant which keeps the strong side "strong" - most QB's are right-handed. The best and most athletic tackles (read "tackles most able to block without assistance") are therefore typically put on the "blind" left side. That fact, plus the fact that one-TE formations are still more common than two-TE formations, play to play, means that the single TE usually lines up next to the RT, where BTW a right-handed QB can more readily see him if he goes out into a pass pattern.
When I look at Carriker I keep thinking he's going to end up as a DT. And maybe the Skins will use him in that way him if they acquire him....just hope they don't get him at 1.06. If the Skins can get Laundry, Okoye, Anderson or Carriker I will be happy.
I generally agree I suppose, especially regarding Okoye or Carriker, but as for Landry he'd better make my eyes pop out of my head or else I'm going to be upset that the D-line was once again neglected by this team.
The Briggs trade. I brought that up once and got pounced on..lol. If we can get a servicable DE with 1.31 then it might be worth it. Salary cap might make it impossible though.We need to trade down. I think that is evident. At 1.06 we aren't going to get what we need. I think Laundry is going to be as good at Taylor but we need a safety as much as we need a linebacker. Drop to 8 to get Okoye. Drop to 10 or 12 to get Carriker or Anderson.Has anyone heard what they plan to do with Shawn Springs?
I remember reading the same thing somewhere. And I haven't heard anything on Carriker from the Redskins either.
There was a quick sentence or two in a WaPo article right after the combine along these lines.If anyone really wants to see it I can probably dig it up, but I'm feeling extra lazy at the moment.
Some of Nebraska's d-line from last year have talked, off the record, about the fact that they leanred more technique in a few weeks of bowl practices with Buddy Wyatt than they did in 3 full seasons with Blake. I think you are right on the money with Carriker; he won't put up any huge sack seasons but he will be a rock solid run-pass DE for a decade.
I don't buy the Springs-at-safety rumors. If they play him at FS, then you're moving Sean Taylor, the guy who is arguably the best possible physical specimen at that position, to SS where his coverage talents go to waste. If you put Springs at SS then you're asking a guy who has a history of problems with injuries to tackle and blitz more. A healthy Springs is the best cover CB on the team even now, so if they keep him he continues to play CB with what will likely be Rogers and Smoot all on the field at the same time in a lot of nickel packages.
The silence on Carriker may in itself be interesting. He's clearly among the front-runners for them to draft in an obvious area of need, so the lack of rumors may mean that they're interested and not talking. Judging pre-draft intentions is reading tea leaves though. It's virtually impossible to determine what is fact, what is rumor, what is planted by the team in the press, what was an unintentional leak, or even whether the team has made up its mind about a particular player.
You are wrong about Anderson, I have never heard or read that he lacks work ethic or desire to play football. he did wnat to quit HS once but, going Arkansas and switching from to DE his second year then performing the way he did doesn;t show me a lacck of work ethic or desire. Anderson Article
I agree Other then Joe T,( who goes to Zona anyway) I think its between Peterson,Quinn, and Landry. I think 2 of those will be there at 6. Quinn being the important one.
I would love Landry. I saw him durning Sugar Bowl Week, and since I'm a fan of the Skins, I asked him if he would like to play there. He just gave the usual "I don't care where I go" But I said just think of you and Taylor playing together. He said "I guess we would #### some people Up" Took a pic with him, and he was rock solid. Anyways like you said, its not a important position, but man what would the 2 of them do to wr's in the middle.nittanylion said:
I will stick up for NL here. I believe him. He is connected to the Skins, and especially Springs himself.I have no reason to doubt your sincerity, GB, but it's awful hard to evaluate the reliability of your source without knowing who it is.nittanylion said:
Here's how I'm reading your post:You've got good inside information that Springs will be gone before the season starts.nittanylion said:
I don't agree that their defensive line is serviceable for this year, unless "serviceable" means "bottom 5 in the league." I think the needs on the D-line will compel them to draft a lineman at #6, or trade down to get one a bit later in round 1. You could put 3 safeties, 3 cornerbacks, and 5 linebackers behind that D-line of last year and they'd still be chasing RB's down the field, and covering receivers for 7-8 seconds while the opposing QB sips mint juleps and calmly surveys the field, unbothered by any pass rush.
