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****OFFICIAL**** Washington Redskins Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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nittanylion
Footballguy
Thanks, fatness. You are absolutely correct on both counts.
A: The Springs info is indeed solid (potential) scoop.
B: The Landry commentary is indeed my personal opinion.
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More opinion: Bizkiteer mentioned that if Landry is taken, that getting depth to fill out a Defensive Line rotation is of utmost importance. I would fervently hope that the Redskins brass would leave no stone unturned in an effort to locate Free Agent bodies to impact this area. I guess the most relevant example has to do with what Shanahan did when he brought in pretty much the entire Cleveland Browns D-Line depth chart into camp in an effort to cobble something together, where the sum is greater product than any of the individual parts. In a perfect world, I'd love to see some kind of scenario where a potential Springs departure is offset by a DL that is at least capable of providing 2 downs of solid play...
...now, it's been widely reported that several teams are interested in Landry, and that far more influential folks than us regard him, like we do, as one of, if not the, premier defensive player coming out. Will that cause him to be taken in with a Top 5 Selection? I'm sure I don't have the slightest idea, but all the mocks I've run through my own mind haven't seen him going in the Top 5, barring a trade.
What's frustrating is that despite the fact that we are fast closing in on less than 100 hours prior to the Draft, and I don't think there's any kind of legitimate consensus as to which 5 players are gone when the 1.06 goes on the clock. Calvin is a certainty, and Joe Thomas is almost a given, but after that, well, it could be any 3 out of at least a half-dozen players.
One thing, in my mind is certain - the 'skins need help on D, and lots of it, and I just don't see how they aren't going to have to do some 'cobbling' in regards to that Defense in one form or another before all is said and done...
When it comes to the Redskins, I can be very reluctant to let things go, and not move on, even though things are entirely out of my control. I still get quite blue when I think about the Priolau injury on the opening kickoff in Week 1 '06 vs the Vikings, and what last year's team might have been able to accomplish if he hadn't been lost.
Vernon Fox really started to come on at the end of last year, and made me optimistic, to a degree, but who, really, is Vernon Fox? Then again, who was, really, Pierson Priolau, or Ryan Clark before him? Not glamorous playmakers by any means, but rather serviceable veterans who 'got the job done', and of course in Clark's case, provided Taylor with some mental stability. Perhaps the answer lies in cobbling together a safety platoon, and going with one of these underwhelming rookie DL...it's just that with this spectre of doubt about the return of Springs, a secondary without him, along with nothing better than an average DL, really has me quaking in my boots, and I guess adding Landry to a 'Springs-less' secondary and cobbling together a DL out of Free Agency sounds like a better option to me. Hell if I know...
A: The Springs info is indeed solid (potential) scoop.
B: The Landry commentary is indeed my personal opinion.
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More opinion: Bizkiteer mentioned that if Landry is taken, that getting depth to fill out a Defensive Line rotation is of utmost importance. I would fervently hope that the Redskins brass would leave no stone unturned in an effort to locate Free Agent bodies to impact this area. I guess the most relevant example has to do with what Shanahan did when he brought in pretty much the entire Cleveland Browns D-Line depth chart into camp in an effort to cobble something together, where the sum is greater product than any of the individual parts. In a perfect world, I'd love to see some kind of scenario where a potential Springs departure is offset by a DL that is at least capable of providing 2 downs of solid play...
...now, it's been widely reported that several teams are interested in Landry, and that far more influential folks than us regard him, like we do, as one of, if not the, premier defensive player coming out. Will that cause him to be taken in with a Top 5 Selection? I'm sure I don't have the slightest idea, but all the mocks I've run through my own mind haven't seen him going in the Top 5, barring a trade.
What's frustrating is that despite the fact that we are fast closing in on less than 100 hours prior to the Draft, and I don't think there's any kind of legitimate consensus as to which 5 players are gone when the 1.06 goes on the clock. Calvin is a certainty, and Joe Thomas is almost a given, but after that, well, it could be any 3 out of at least a half-dozen players.
One thing, in my mind is certain - the 'skins need help on D, and lots of it, and I just don't see how they aren't going to have to do some 'cobbling' in regards to that Defense in one form or another before all is said and done...
When it comes to the Redskins, I can be very reluctant to let things go, and not move on, even though things are entirely out of my control. I still get quite blue when I think about the Priolau injury on the opening kickoff in Week 1 '06 vs the Vikings, and what last year's team might have been able to accomplish if he hadn't been lost.
Vernon Fox really started to come on at the end of last year, and made me optimistic, to a degree, but who, really, is Vernon Fox? Then again, who was, really, Pierson Priolau, or Ryan Clark before him? Not glamorous playmakers by any means, but rather serviceable veterans who 'got the job done', and of course in Clark's case, provided Taylor with some mental stability. Perhaps the answer lies in cobbling together a safety platoon, and going with one of these underwhelming rookie DL...it's just that with this spectre of doubt about the return of Springs, a secondary without him, along with nothing better than an average DL, really has me quaking in my boots, and I guess adding Landry to a 'Springs-less' secondary and cobbling together a DL out of Free Agency sounds like a better option to me. Hell if I know...
redman
Footballguy
The discussion about having too many impact players at safety resonates with me. When was our defense at its best under Williams? When we had future Hall of Famers Ryan Clark and Vernon Fox starting back there. We merely need comptence at SS, not stardom.
The other thing is this: there is only one unit on defense that you know makes all of the other units better, and that is the line. If our fears about Griffin are true, then that line has no anchor meaning no one who all the others can rely upon to occupy multiple blockers to free up other people.
That's really all they need. They don't necessarily need a star there. That's why I like Carriker. I think he's going to be productive and versatile, the very kinds of things they need. I think we get too caught up in acquiring stars and that's part of the problem here. Maybe Okoye will fit the bill too. Anyway, I think Landry represents a pimp my ride player for a car that needs a new transmission.
The other thing is this: there is only one unit on defense that you know makes all of the other units better, and that is the line. If our fears about Griffin are true, then that line has no anchor meaning no one who all the others can rely upon to occupy multiple blockers to free up other people.
That's really all they need. They don't necessarily need a star there. That's why I like Carriker. I think he's going to be productive and versatile, the very kinds of things they need. I think we get too caught up in acquiring stars and that's part of the problem here. Maybe Okoye will fit the bill too. Anyway, I think Landry represents a pimp my ride player for a car that needs a new transmission.
Although I love Landry (and Lance Briggs for that matter) he just doesn't fit the team. It all boils down to the best thing for the team to do would be to trade down and pick up a 2 or 3 round draft choice.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Saints Db's are terrible.if we can't resign Springs, could we deal him to Denver or Detroit or NE?
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
NFL Draft 2007 -- Mock First Round
By Mike Doria
RotoWire Football Editor
There's as much uncertainly at the top of this year's draft as there has been in years and things could be shaken up on draft day if/when trades are consummated. Here is our version of how we think the first round might play out based on the current order of selection.
1. Oakland Raiders - Some think the Raiders may go the "best available player" route here with the top overall pick and take the more polished talent in WR Calvin Johnson. That's tempting, but the team desperately needs to upgrade at QB and can't pass on JaMarcus Russell. The LSU product is a work in progress, but he makes scouts (and Al Davis) drool with his outstanding size (6-6, 265) and bazooka arm.
2. Detroit Lions - GM Matt Millen doesn't dare take a receiver here after the Charles Rogers/Mike Williams fiascos. Don't be surprised to see the Lions trade out of the pick. Either way, DE Gaines Adams, considered the draft's top pure pass rusher, figures to be their guy over the likes of OT Joe Thomas and QB Brady Quinn.
3. Cleveland Browns - RB Adrian Peterson gets major consideration, but this is where Brady Quinn (the draft's other franchise QB-type) goes. If not, let the free-fall begin for the former Golden Domer…
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - The Bucs have a crush on Calvin Johnson and would fall all over themselves to pounce on him at #4. Detroit could convince Tampa Bay that they are taking Johnson at #2 and if that ploy works, the Bucs may be forced to move up to get their guy. That scenario seemed more likely though before news leaked out that the pride of Georgia Tech admitted (at the NFL combine) that he has dabbled in marijuana.
5. Arizona Cardinals - A fantasy yawner, but as long as he's available - and he should be - the Cards will gleefully snap up Joe Thomas to help protect Matt Leinart and open up running lanes for Edgerrin James.
6. Washington Redskins - DT Amobi Okoye is the placeholder pick here, though any team looking to snag Adrian Peterson (or Brady Quinn if Cleveland passes) or S LaRon Landry for that matter, could go through the Redskins.
7. Minnesota Vikings- This is another slot that could produce a trade. Since it's too soon to give up on young signal-caller Tarvaris Jackson and running back is not a glaring weakness, stud S LaRon Landry is the pick here, but not necessarily by the Vikes.
8. Atlanta Falcons- They'd love Landry, but settle for CB Leon Hall here.
9. Miami Dolphins - The Dolphins would lose it if Brady Quinn somehow fell this far. WR Ted Ginn Jr. would be a fun pick here, but we'll have them take OT Levi Brown.
10. Houston Texans - After passing on Reggie Bush and Vince Young last year, the Texans could really stir things up by taking a franchise back in Adrian Peterson, though they may be required to move up to make this happen.
11. San Francisco 49ers - They need a playmaking receiver in the worst way and Ted Ginn Jr. is the pick, though it's not beyond the realm of possibility that they address wideout later and snag DT Alan Branch instead.
12. Buffalo Bills - Let the rebuilding of the Bills' linebacker corps begin. ILB Patrick Willis, a Marv Levy-friendly blend of skills and intangibles, looks like a lock here.
13. St. Louis Rams- The Rams are looking for a run stuffer, so Alan Branch is their man at lucky thirteen.
14. Carolina Panthers - It's been ages since a Panthers' tight end was a big part of the offense. This is the year that changes when the team takes Greg Olsen, who earned himself a ton of money with an impressive showing at the Combine.
15. Pittsburgh Steelers - With Joey Porter gone, the Steelers will take the best available outside linebacker and it's between Lawrence Timmons, Jon Beason and Paul Posluszny. On a hunch, we'll say they swing for the fences for the athleticism of the still-developing Timmons.
16. Green Bay Packers - This is part of the draft where Chris Berman does his "Marshawn, Marsawn, Marshawn…" shtick. Some draftniks have cooled on Marshawn Lynch due to perceived character and durability issues, but there's no questioning the productivity (35 TDs in 35 games at Cal) and playmaking ability he displayed in college.
17. Jacksonville Jaguars - The Jags, who lost Deon Grant to free agency, would love to scoop up a player in the mold of Indy's human missile, Bob Sanders. S Reggie Nelson is just that kind of player.
18. Cincinnati Bengals - Linebacker and cornerback look like the prime needs in Cincy and versatile LBJon Beasonis an unspectacular but solid choice here.
19. Tennessee Titans - With Drew Bennett and Bobby Wade gone and David Givens battling back from an injury, receiver needs to be addressed. It's a deep crop, so they'll get a good one. Robert Meachem (from the University of Tennessee) is a worthy crowd-pleaser of a pick with his nice blend of size (6-2, 214) and speed (4.39/40).
20. New York Giants - LB Paul Posluszny is an option here, but the Giants can't resist taking the last of the top offensive tackles in Joe Staley.
21. Denver Broncos - The Broncos have been jonesing for some DE help after having missed out on free agents like John Abraham (last year) and Patrick Kerney. Jamaal Andersonin the slot is almost too good to be true for the Shanahans…
22. Dallas Cowboys - With Terry Glenn aging (plus brittle to begin with) and Terrell Owens a meltdown away from a one-way ticket out of Dallas, a wideout is the play here for the Cowboys. Dwayne Bowe wouldn't be a bad pick, but ultimately WR Dwayne Jarrett is the choice here. He's not the fleetest of foot - and that's how he falls this far - but he can get open and has the body control and ball skills to make the tough catches and plays.
23. Kansas City Chiefs - There are a couple of intriguing cornerbacks available here, but receiver is the more pressing need (admit it, Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker don't inspire) and Dwayne Bowe, who has drawn comparison to the Bucs' Michael Clayton, is the last of the top tier pass-catchers available.
24. New England Patriots - The Pats signed Adalius Thomas, but they'd love to add some depth to their linebacking corps (Tedy Bruschi and Mike Vrabel can't play forever) and Paul Posluszny is a player with the sort of smarts and intangibles who coach Bill Belichick can plug in seamlessly.
25. New York Jets - We've been looking for a home for CB Darrelle Revis - we can't believe he has slid this far -- and the Jets are looking to upgrade at cornerback. Done…
26. Philadelphia Eagles - With Jevon Kearse coming back from a major injury, the Eagles simply can't let DE Adam Carriker (who they had in for a visit this month) fall any further.
27. New Orleans Saints - The Saints' have an offer sheet on the table for Indy CB Jason David, but that will be settled before Saturday. For now, we'll presume that cornerback is still the team's top need and the speedy Chris Houston is the call here.
28. New England Patriots - The Patriots addressed their most glaring needs through free agency, but an eventual successor to Rodney Harrison is the way to go here. Plus, lately the team never seems to have enough healthy DBs. Brandon Meriweather offers an interesting blend of on field intangibles and off field question marks. He's a first round talent and the sort of heady, versatile player Bill Belichick loves.
29. Baltimore Ravens - If some team wants into the late first round badly enough, Baltimore could oblige. With no obvious needs, they'll go for some line depth. Flip a coin between C Ryan Kalil and OT Tony Ugoh. Heads…it's Ugoh.
30. San Diego Chargers - With Keenan McCardell gone, the Chargers could use some depth at wideout and Anthony Gonzalezfits the bill as a quick possession receiver, who can also contribute in the return game.
31. Chicago Bears - This could probably wait until pick #37, but the Bears would really like to add another weapon at tight end and while he lacks the pizzazz of a Greg Olsen (or Vernon Davis circa 2006), Zach Miller is the sort of solid pass-catcher player who will look good in Chicago's old-school black cleats.
32. Indianapolis Colts - The defending champs got raided heavily in free agency and could go in several directions here. The Colts will probably add running back and wideout depth with later picks, but round one will end with a fantasy thud when the teams selects DT Justin Harrell.
Looking where the have Carriker going. Number 26
By Mike Doria
RotoWire Football Editor
There's as much uncertainly at the top of this year's draft as there has been in years and things could be shaken up on draft day if/when trades are consummated. Here is our version of how we think the first round might play out based on the current order of selection.
1. Oakland Raiders - Some think the Raiders may go the "best available player" route here with the top overall pick and take the more polished talent in WR Calvin Johnson. That's tempting, but the team desperately needs to upgrade at QB and can't pass on JaMarcus Russell. The LSU product is a work in progress, but he makes scouts (and Al Davis) drool with his outstanding size (6-6, 265) and bazooka arm.
2. Detroit Lions - GM Matt Millen doesn't dare take a receiver here after the Charles Rogers/Mike Williams fiascos. Don't be surprised to see the Lions trade out of the pick. Either way, DE Gaines Adams, considered the draft's top pure pass rusher, figures to be their guy over the likes of OT Joe Thomas and QB Brady Quinn.
3. Cleveland Browns - RB Adrian Peterson gets major consideration, but this is where Brady Quinn (the draft's other franchise QB-type) goes. If not, let the free-fall begin for the former Golden Domer…
4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - The Bucs have a crush on Calvin Johnson and would fall all over themselves to pounce on him at #4. Detroit could convince Tampa Bay that they are taking Johnson at #2 and if that ploy works, the Bucs may be forced to move up to get their guy. That scenario seemed more likely though before news leaked out that the pride of Georgia Tech admitted (at the NFL combine) that he has dabbled in marijuana.
5. Arizona Cardinals - A fantasy yawner, but as long as he's available - and he should be - the Cards will gleefully snap up Joe Thomas to help protect Matt Leinart and open up running lanes for Edgerrin James.
6. Washington Redskins - DT Amobi Okoye is the placeholder pick here, though any team looking to snag Adrian Peterson (or Brady Quinn if Cleveland passes) or S LaRon Landry for that matter, could go through the Redskins.
7. Minnesota Vikings- This is another slot that could produce a trade. Since it's too soon to give up on young signal-caller Tarvaris Jackson and running back is not a glaring weakness, stud S LaRon Landry is the pick here, but not necessarily by the Vikes.
8. Atlanta Falcons- They'd love Landry, but settle for CB Leon Hall here.
9. Miami Dolphins - The Dolphins would lose it if Brady Quinn somehow fell this far. WR Ted Ginn Jr. would be a fun pick here, but we'll have them take OT Levi Brown.
10. Houston Texans - After passing on Reggie Bush and Vince Young last year, the Texans could really stir things up by taking a franchise back in Adrian Peterson, though they may be required to move up to make this happen.
11. San Francisco 49ers - They need a playmaking receiver in the worst way and Ted Ginn Jr. is the pick, though it's not beyond the realm of possibility that they address wideout later and snag DT Alan Branch instead.
12. Buffalo Bills - Let the rebuilding of the Bills' linebacker corps begin. ILB Patrick Willis, a Marv Levy-friendly blend of skills and intangibles, looks like a lock here.
13. St. Louis Rams- The Rams are looking for a run stuffer, so Alan Branch is their man at lucky thirteen.
14. Carolina Panthers - It's been ages since a Panthers' tight end was a big part of the offense. This is the year that changes when the team takes Greg Olsen, who earned himself a ton of money with an impressive showing at the Combine.
15. Pittsburgh Steelers - With Joey Porter gone, the Steelers will take the best available outside linebacker and it's between Lawrence Timmons, Jon Beason and Paul Posluszny. On a hunch, we'll say they swing for the fences for the athleticism of the still-developing Timmons.
16. Green Bay Packers - This is part of the draft where Chris Berman does his "Marshawn, Marsawn, Marshawn…" shtick. Some draftniks have cooled on Marshawn Lynch due to perceived character and durability issues, but there's no questioning the productivity (35 TDs in 35 games at Cal) and playmaking ability he displayed in college.
17. Jacksonville Jaguars - The Jags, who lost Deon Grant to free agency, would love to scoop up a player in the mold of Indy's human missile, Bob Sanders. S Reggie Nelson is just that kind of player.
18. Cincinnati Bengals - Linebacker and cornerback look like the prime needs in Cincy and versatile LBJon Beasonis an unspectacular but solid choice here.
19. Tennessee Titans - With Drew Bennett and Bobby Wade gone and David Givens battling back from an injury, receiver needs to be addressed. It's a deep crop, so they'll get a good one. Robert Meachem (from the University of Tennessee) is a worthy crowd-pleaser of a pick with his nice blend of size (6-2, 214) and speed (4.39/40).
20. New York Giants - LB Paul Posluszny is an option here, but the Giants can't resist taking the last of the top offensive tackles in Joe Staley.
21. Denver Broncos - The Broncos have been jonesing for some DE help after having missed out on free agents like John Abraham (last year) and Patrick Kerney. Jamaal Andersonin the slot is almost too good to be true for the Shanahans…
22. Dallas Cowboys - With Terry Glenn aging (plus brittle to begin with) and Terrell Owens a meltdown away from a one-way ticket out of Dallas, a wideout is the play here for the Cowboys. Dwayne Bowe wouldn't be a bad pick, but ultimately WR Dwayne Jarrett is the choice here. He's not the fleetest of foot - and that's how he falls this far - but he can get open and has the body control and ball skills to make the tough catches and plays.
23. Kansas City Chiefs - There are a couple of intriguing cornerbacks available here, but receiver is the more pressing need (admit it, Eddie Kennison and Samie Parker don't inspire) and Dwayne Bowe, who has drawn comparison to the Bucs' Michael Clayton, is the last of the top tier pass-catchers available.
24. New England Patriots - The Pats signed Adalius Thomas, but they'd love to add some depth to their linebacking corps (Tedy Bruschi and Mike Vrabel can't play forever) and Paul Posluszny is a player with the sort of smarts and intangibles who coach Bill Belichick can plug in seamlessly.
25. New York Jets - We've been looking for a home for CB Darrelle Revis - we can't believe he has slid this far -- and the Jets are looking to upgrade at cornerback. Done…
26. Philadelphia Eagles - With Jevon Kearse coming back from a major injury, the Eagles simply can't let DE Adam Carriker (who they had in for a visit this month) fall any further.
27. New Orleans Saints - The Saints' have an offer sheet on the table for Indy CB Jason David, but that will be settled before Saturday. For now, we'll presume that cornerback is still the team's top need and the speedy Chris Houston is the call here.
28. New England Patriots - The Patriots addressed their most glaring needs through free agency, but an eventual successor to Rodney Harrison is the way to go here. Plus, lately the team never seems to have enough healthy DBs. Brandon Meriweather offers an interesting blend of on field intangibles and off field question marks. He's a first round talent and the sort of heady, versatile player Bill Belichick loves.
29. Baltimore Ravens - If some team wants into the late first round badly enough, Baltimore could oblige. With no obvious needs, they'll go for some line depth. Flip a coin between C Ryan Kalil and OT Tony Ugoh. Heads…it's Ugoh.
30. San Diego Chargers - With Keenan McCardell gone, the Chargers could use some depth at wideout and Anthony Gonzalezfits the bill as a quick possession receiver, who can also contribute in the return game.
31. Chicago Bears - This could probably wait until pick #37, but the Bears would really like to add another weapon at tight end and while he lacks the pizzazz of a Greg Olsen (or Vernon Davis circa 2006), Zach Miller is the sort of solid pass-catcher player who will look good in Chicago's old-school black cleats.
32. Indianapolis Colts - The defending champs got raided heavily in free agency and could go in several directions here. The Colts will probably add running back and wideout depth with later picks, but round one will end with a fantasy thud when the teams selects DT Justin Harrell.
Looking where the have Carriker going. Number 26
wannabee
Footballguy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...7042402340.html
Snyder: Redskins Are on Right Track
Team Owner, Gibbs Keep Draft Options Open
By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 25, 2007; Page E01
For the first time since just before last year's NFL draft, Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder met with the media yesterday and praised the direction of the organization, professing his belief that the club has improved significantly this offseason.
Snyder and Coach Joe Gibbs, who are preparing for this weekend's draft, reaffirmed their philosophy of being aggressive when it comes to player acquisitions and said they would apply that thinking to the draft, investigating ways to trade up or back, while also evaluating whom to take should they keep the sixth pick.
Snyder said that he had not considered altering the front-office structure or hiring a general manager despite last year's 5-11 finish. Snyder, whose team is 59-69 since he bought it in 1999, has drawn criticism for his heavy spending and reliance on free agency, but said that the franchise values the draft as well. And Gibbs said he hopes to refrain from dealing any 2008 picks after entering this draft without any selections in the second, third or fourth rounds.
"We were obviously very disappointed for the fans and for us," Snyder said, "and it was a rough season and a lot of things took place and we think we're making a lot of progress and heading in the right direction, but it didn't stem from our [front-office] structure or one particular thing. We hope and expect to get a lot better."
Snyder said he believes veteran free agents London Fletcher and Fred Smoot are significant upgrades, and anticipates that the organization will make strides whether it keeps the sixth pick or trades it.
Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson is considered by many teams the best available player in the draft, and the Redskins are smitten with him as well, sources said, mulling over options to trade up to get him (the team has shopped cornerback Shawn Springs to Detroit, which has the second overall pick, again in recent weeks). Completing such a trade would be difficult -- perhaps impossible without including next year's first-round pick. That, according to Snyder, means that it is imperative that the team identify the best possible candidate for the sixth pick. Snyder has watched Johnson and others work out, and meets with most top prospects.
"From my perspective I'm coming in trying to make sure that we get -- at the sixth pick of the draft -- we're looking for a perennial Pro Bowl player," Snyder said. "We're looking for a dominant player that early. We obviously will be looking to trade down and we may look to trade up, but what we're in search of right now is the sixth pick, because we're not sure if we'll get phone calls [from teams seeking to make a trade] or not."
The Redskins' coaches and scouts spend weeks assessing players, and after much debate they assign a grade to each player and ranks him. But the decision belongs to Snyder, Gibbs and Vice President of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato, who explore trades, run the "war room" on draft day and ultimately make any selections or trades.
"The three of us normally at the end of it try and come up with a final game plan for the draft," Gibbs said.
Gibbs said that the team is not concerned with drafting for a need position with the sixth pick, and that the club's depth at certain areas will not affect how it selects. Wide receiver, for instance, is a position on which the club has splurged in recent years -- Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El each got at least a $10 million signing bonuses -- but that would not necessarily preclude drafting Johnson. The highest-rated defensive player to many within the organization, safety LaRon Landry, also plays a position where veterans abound -- but has game-breaking potential -- while Gibbs added that the age of tackle Amobi Okoye, 19, the second-ranked defensive player among many in the organization, was not a detriment, either.
"Long term, it's 'Can this player play for 10 years?' " Gibbs said. "And even though it may be crowded where he initially comes in at a position, if you feel like that long term he's going to be playing here for a long time and has chance to go to Pro Bowls. But I will say this, that doesn't mean he has to do it that first year. Sometimes it's a learning process and sometimes he comes into a position where there's already a lot of talent there."
Gibbs said that he does not see any players in this draft who would be automatic starters on the Redskins, regardless of position, and that the club could still address some needs, such as along the defensive line, on the second day of the draft, citing linemen Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery, who were late-round selections last year. The Redskins have yet to augment the defensive line this offseason despite sagging against the run and failing to generate much of a pass rush in 2006, but sources said that if the team did select Landry or Johnson it would turn again to trades and free agency for linemen.
There are a handful of players around the league who received the franchise tag who could be trade material, although sources said the Redskins have not contacted representatives for franchised linemen Cory Redding (Detroit), Charles Grant (New Orleans) or Justin Smith (Cincinnati) to this point. Other pass-rushing defensive ends could become available as well, with Oakland's Derrick Burgess and Buffalo's Aaron Schobel both underpaid by current standards and likely seeking new contracts this offseason (Schobel has strong ties to assistant head coach Gregg Williams). Trading for prominent veterans has been a mark of the Gibbs-Snyder partnership, and they are rarely shy about making bold moves, attempting to land corner Dre Bly and linebacker Lance Briggs in recent months.
"Dan's philosophy is to be aggressive," Gibbs said. "We fall in the category of being more aggressive and it's based on Dan being as aggressive as he is."
Snyder: Redskins Are on Right Track
Team Owner, Gibbs Keep Draft Options Open
By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 25, 2007; Page E01
For the first time since just before last year's NFL draft, Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder met with the media yesterday and praised the direction of the organization, professing his belief that the club has improved significantly this offseason.
Snyder and Coach Joe Gibbs, who are preparing for this weekend's draft, reaffirmed their philosophy of being aggressive when it comes to player acquisitions and said they would apply that thinking to the draft, investigating ways to trade up or back, while also evaluating whom to take should they keep the sixth pick.
Snyder said that he had not considered altering the front-office structure or hiring a general manager despite last year's 5-11 finish. Snyder, whose team is 59-69 since he bought it in 1999, has drawn criticism for his heavy spending and reliance on free agency, but said that the franchise values the draft as well. And Gibbs said he hopes to refrain from dealing any 2008 picks after entering this draft without any selections in the second, third or fourth rounds.
"We were obviously very disappointed for the fans and for us," Snyder said, "and it was a rough season and a lot of things took place and we think we're making a lot of progress and heading in the right direction, but it didn't stem from our [front-office] structure or one particular thing. We hope and expect to get a lot better."
Snyder said he believes veteran free agents London Fletcher and Fred Smoot are significant upgrades, and anticipates that the organization will make strides whether it keeps the sixth pick or trades it.
Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson is considered by many teams the best available player in the draft, and the Redskins are smitten with him as well, sources said, mulling over options to trade up to get him (the team has shopped cornerback Shawn Springs to Detroit, which has the second overall pick, again in recent weeks). Completing such a trade would be difficult -- perhaps impossible without including next year's first-round pick. That, according to Snyder, means that it is imperative that the team identify the best possible candidate for the sixth pick. Snyder has watched Johnson and others work out, and meets with most top prospects.
"From my perspective I'm coming in trying to make sure that we get -- at the sixth pick of the draft -- we're looking for a perennial Pro Bowl player," Snyder said. "We're looking for a dominant player that early. We obviously will be looking to trade down and we may look to trade up, but what we're in search of right now is the sixth pick, because we're not sure if we'll get phone calls [from teams seeking to make a trade] or not."
The Redskins' coaches and scouts spend weeks assessing players, and after much debate they assign a grade to each player and ranks him. But the decision belongs to Snyder, Gibbs and Vice President of Football Operations Vinny Cerrato, who explore trades, run the "war room" on draft day and ultimately make any selections or trades.
"The three of us normally at the end of it try and come up with a final game plan for the draft," Gibbs said.
Gibbs said that the team is not concerned with drafting for a need position with the sixth pick, and that the club's depth at certain areas will not affect how it selects. Wide receiver, for instance, is a position on which the club has splurged in recent years -- Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El each got at least a $10 million signing bonuses -- but that would not necessarily preclude drafting Johnson. The highest-rated defensive player to many within the organization, safety LaRon Landry, also plays a position where veterans abound -- but has game-breaking potential -- while Gibbs added that the age of tackle Amobi Okoye, 19, the second-ranked defensive player among many in the organization, was not a detriment, either.
"Long term, it's 'Can this player play for 10 years?' " Gibbs said. "And even though it may be crowded where he initially comes in at a position, if you feel like that long term he's going to be playing here for a long time and has chance to go to Pro Bowls. But I will say this, that doesn't mean he has to do it that first year. Sometimes it's a learning process and sometimes he comes into a position where there's already a lot of talent there."
Gibbs said that he does not see any players in this draft who would be automatic starters on the Redskins, regardless of position, and that the club could still address some needs, such as along the defensive line, on the second day of the draft, citing linemen Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery, who were late-round selections last year. The Redskins have yet to augment the defensive line this offseason despite sagging against the run and failing to generate much of a pass rush in 2006, but sources said that if the team did select Landry or Johnson it would turn again to trades and free agency for linemen.
There are a handful of players around the league who received the franchise tag who could be trade material, although sources said the Redskins have not contacted representatives for franchised linemen Cory Redding (Detroit), Charles Grant (New Orleans) or Justin Smith (Cincinnati) to this point. Other pass-rushing defensive ends could become available as well, with Oakland's Derrick Burgess and Buffalo's Aaron Schobel both underpaid by current standards and likely seeking new contracts this offseason (Schobel has strong ties to assistant head coach Gregg Williams). Trading for prominent veterans has been a mark of the Gibbs-Snyder partnership, and they are rarely shy about making bold moves, attempting to land corner Dre Bly and linebacker Lance Briggs in recent months.
"Dan's philosophy is to be aggressive," Gibbs said. "We fall in the category of being more aggressive and it's based on Dan being as aggressive as he is."
wannabee
Footballguy
http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?...&ran=101732
Redskins' draft strategy centers on late picks, rookie free agents
By JIM DUCIBELLA, The Virginian-Pilot
© April 25, 2007 | Last updated 10:20 PM Apr. 24
ASHBURN - With just one pick in the first four rounds of this weekend's NFL draft - and hazy prospects for obtaining additional choices - the Washington Redskins are placing a premium on late-round selections and undrafted rookies.
The Redskins own the sixth overall pick, then one in the fifth round, two in the sixth and one in the seventh.
" Lots of time in the draft, you go through the guys at the top positions and later on you get a little lazy on it," coach Joe Gibbs said.
"But... every year, there are going to be stars down there. "
Gibbs said the team's scouts were instructed months ago to "do a real good job at your schools if there's somebody you think might fall."
Although just 11 of the 42 selections since 2000 remain on the roster, the Redskins found a trio of defensive players late in last year's draft in fifth-rounder Anthony Montgomery and sixth-rounders Kedrick Golston and Reed Doughty.
Golston started 12 games at tackle, with 44 tackles. Montgomery started once, finishing with nine tackles. Doughty, a safety, played in 10 games, mostly on special teams.
Gibbs' staff will have to do even better this weekend to begin to reverse last season's 5-11 record.
Gibbs, joined by owner Dan Snyder and vice president for operations Vinny Cerrato, coyly suggested that the team might "move up, move down or stay where we are."
But with just one quality pick, trading up for a player like Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson - whom the Redskins are reportedly wild about - would almost certainly require surrendering high-round picks in 2008. Gibbs minimized the chances of that happening.
"In the back of all of our minds, we'd like to come out of this with a full draft next year," he said. "We wish we had a full draft this year."
Washington is already missing next year's fourth-round pick, part of the trade with Atlanta for running back T.J. Duckett.
Assuming they don't acquire more picks, the Redskins will have room for 13 undrafted free agents.
That group will be supplemented by players signed following a pair of tryout camps. Washington held the first on April 6, bringing 59 prospects to Redskin Park. That number will balloon to almost 100 after the second tryout.
As for the sixth pick, Snyder said he's looking for a "perennial Pro Bowl player;" Gibbs wants someone who will play "10-12 years."
Although they have used high-round picks in recent years on safety Sean Taylor and cornerback Carlos Rogers, Cerrato said the Redskins won't draft for need; rather, they'll take the player they have rated highest on their board. That could be safety LaRon Landry of LSU, although many experts think they'd be better served with someone like 19-year-old defensive tackle Amobi Okoye of Louisville.
Gibbs surprisingly said that Washington's first-round pick will have a tough time finding the starting lineup.
"You'd love to have a guy who'd make immediate impact, but to be quite truthful, where do you see a guy who'd come in and take right over?" he said.
Reach Jim at (757) 446-23665 or at jim.ducibella@pilotonline.com
Redskins' draft strategy centers on late picks, rookie free agents
By JIM DUCIBELLA, The Virginian-Pilot
© April 25, 2007 | Last updated 10:20 PM Apr. 24
ASHBURN - With just one pick in the first four rounds of this weekend's NFL draft - and hazy prospects for obtaining additional choices - the Washington Redskins are placing a premium on late-round selections and undrafted rookies.
The Redskins own the sixth overall pick, then one in the fifth round, two in the sixth and one in the seventh.
" Lots of time in the draft, you go through the guys at the top positions and later on you get a little lazy on it," coach Joe Gibbs said.
"But... every year, there are going to be stars down there. "
Gibbs said the team's scouts were instructed months ago to "do a real good job at your schools if there's somebody you think might fall."
Although just 11 of the 42 selections since 2000 remain on the roster, the Redskins found a trio of defensive players late in last year's draft in fifth-rounder Anthony Montgomery and sixth-rounders Kedrick Golston and Reed Doughty.
Golston started 12 games at tackle, with 44 tackles. Montgomery started once, finishing with nine tackles. Doughty, a safety, played in 10 games, mostly on special teams.
Gibbs' staff will have to do even better this weekend to begin to reverse last season's 5-11 record.
Gibbs, joined by owner Dan Snyder and vice president for operations Vinny Cerrato, coyly suggested that the team might "move up, move down or stay where we are."
But with just one quality pick, trading up for a player like Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson - whom the Redskins are reportedly wild about - would almost certainly require surrendering high-round picks in 2008. Gibbs minimized the chances of that happening.
"In the back of all of our minds, we'd like to come out of this with a full draft next year," he said. "We wish we had a full draft this year."
Washington is already missing next year's fourth-round pick, part of the trade with Atlanta for running back T.J. Duckett.
Assuming they don't acquire more picks, the Redskins will have room for 13 undrafted free agents.
That group will be supplemented by players signed following a pair of tryout camps. Washington held the first on April 6, bringing 59 prospects to Redskin Park. That number will balloon to almost 100 after the second tryout.
As for the sixth pick, Snyder said he's looking for a "perennial Pro Bowl player;" Gibbs wants someone who will play "10-12 years."
Although they have used high-round picks in recent years on safety Sean Taylor and cornerback Carlos Rogers, Cerrato said the Redskins won't draft for need; rather, they'll take the player they have rated highest on their board. That could be safety LaRon Landry of LSU, although many experts think they'd be better served with someone like 19-year-old defensive tackle Amobi Okoye of Louisville.
Gibbs surprisingly said that Washington's first-round pick will have a tough time finding the starting lineup.
"You'd love to have a guy who'd make immediate impact, but to be quite truthful, where do you see a guy who'd come in and take right over?" he said.
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Yamato
Footballguy
Has anyone seen Mike Holmgren on NFL network talking about when your pick is up and there is a francise player available? He says you take him. Landry is a francise player. Carriker, Okoye, and Anderson aren't. Maybe getting Laundry won't make a significant impact this year but will for many years to come. If the Skins can drop down into the 8-12 range and get a early second rounder I say make that deal. If not take Landry. he is a safe pick.If Springs wants to stay he'll have to restructure. Maybe we can get a 3rd rounder for him. If not he'll probably be gone in June.
redman
Footballguy
At this point Springs is probably worth more in trade than he is to the 'Skins just because I think he's down to his last effective season or two. The problem is that he's still the 'Skins' best cover-CB given Rogers' seeming regression last year and Smoot's disastrous sojourn to Minny. I think they'll miss Springs in 2007 if they deal him, but maybe they can't afford to do otherwise.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Walter Thomas
I'd be interested to see the Skins take a shot at this guy later in the draft. Any idea where he might be drafted?
I'd be interested to see the Skins take a shot at this guy later in the draft. Any idea where he might be drafted?
Yamato
Footballguy
That guy would be fun to watch but something tells me Gibbs is too old to want to mess with him. And with the new conduct rules he might not even get drafted...which is sad. These are still kids. They are gonna make mistakes. Anyone going to Fed Ex for the draft party? Maybe someone can bring a "Draft Walter Thomas" banner. If gets to us in the 6th I say get him.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
I beg to differ on this. If we are going to ask our SS to cover WR's, like they wanted AA to do, then he fits the bill just right! Landry is a Safety that can HIT and can cover. He's the type of player that can be 8th player in the box or play back in center field.More over, I'd point out that if he was back there...ST and him would be interchangable. Off coord.'s wouldn't know which way to try and expose when it come to the Safety area and add that WR's would have the fear of GOD when making a crossing route in our secondary.Although I love Landry (and Lance Briggs for that matter) he just doesn't fit the team. It all boils down to the best thing for the team to do would be to trade down and pick up a 2 or 3 round draft choice.
As for Redman, I agree that we could get away from drafting a S, but DL take more than a year to do anything. Add the age of our team and we need a player who can make more of an impact now. DL can also be more prone to being busts. If we were middle of the road in age or young....DL ALL THE WAY no matter what. Seeing we aren't...take the most surest player that you know will be cornerstone type guy and can help you NOW. Thus, Landry is better IMO.
This has nothing to do with like of Okoye or any other DL either. If the 'Skins walk away from Saturday picking Okoye, I will understand. Good news is that we only have a few more days to wait and then... BAM ... we will know.
redman
Footballguy
I don't follow your thinking on the argument of it taking DL more than a year to yield some benefit. First of all, the DL, of all the defenders, have the fewest number of assignments to be responsible for among the defense. They're assigned a gap or two, a stunt, or a drop into a short zone on the rare zone blitz, and that's about it. If there's any position that would seem to enable a rookie to perform, it would be DL. Even ignoring that though, S seems to be severely unkind to rookies because as the last line of defense and the only defensive players able to see the whole field, they have a huge number of responsibilities to make reads and sight adjustments, and to realign their teammates when they spot problems. They, and the MLB, must know the defense and the opposing offense's tendencies as well or better than any other defensive players.I beg to differ on this. If we are going to ask our SS to cover WR's, like they wanted AA to do, then he fits the bill just right! Landry is a Safety that can HIT and can cover. He's the type of player that can be 8th player in the box or play back in center field.More over, I'd point out that if he was back there...ST and him would be interchangable. Off coord.'s wouldn't know which way to try and expose when it come to the Safety area and add that WR's would have the fear of GOD when making a crossing route in our secondary.Although I love Landry (and Lance Briggs for that matter) he just doesn't fit the team. It all boils down to the best thing for the team to do would be to trade down and pick up a 2 or 3 round draft choice.
As for Redman, I agree that we could get away from drafting a S, but DL take more than a year to do anything. Add the age of our team and we need a player who can make more of an impact now. DL can also be more prone to being busts. If we were middle of the road in age or young....DL ALL THE WAY no matter what. Seeing we aren't...take the most surest player that you know will be cornerstone type guy and can help you NOW. Thus, Landry is better IMO.
This has nothing to do with like of Okoye or any other DL either. If the 'Skins walk away from Saturday picking Okoye, I will understand. Good news is that we only have a few more days to wait and then... BAM ... we will know.
Taylor even after three seasons has never shown the ability to lead the defense as his strengths lie in what he, personally, is able to do with his amazing athleticism on the field. It sounds like Landry is cut from the same cloth. Ryan Clark and Fox are no stars, but what has gotten them on the field and correspondingly gotten the defense to play better with them in the lineup has been their strong leadership abilities and knowledge of the defense.
I'm all for a BPA approach, and Landry does have all the earmarks of a star. When the BPA isn't going to fit in our lineup, though, I start to reconsider.
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Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Sorry, don't have the time to look it over. I would predict that there are more DL busts in the 1st round than Safeties. DL make little to no impact their first year because they can't just bully or speed around inferior OL, as they do in college. OL in NFL were all the top OL at their college, so DL do have to adjust their game.I don't follow your thinking on the argument of it taking DL more than a year to yield some benefit. First of all, the DL, of all the defenders, have the fewest number of assignments to be responsible for among the defense. They're assigned a gap or two, a stunt, or a drop into a short zone on the rare zone blitz, and that's about it. If there's any position that would seem to enable a rookie to perform, it would be DL. Even ignoring that though, S seems to be severely unkind to rookies because as the last line of defense and the only defensive players able to see the whole field, they have a huge number of responsibilities to make reads and sight adjustments, and to realign their teammates when they spot problems. They, and the MLB, must know the defense and the opposing offense's tendencies as well or better than any other defensive players.I beg to differ on this. If we are going to ask our SS to cover WR's, like they wanted AA to do, then he fits the bill just right! Landry is a Safety that can HIT and can cover. He's the type of player that can be 8th player in the box or play back in center field.More over, I'd point out that if he was back there...ST and him would be interchangable. Off coord.'s wouldn't know which way to try and expose when it come to the Safety area and add that WR's would have the fear of GOD when making a crossing route in our secondary.Although I love Landry (and Lance Briggs for that matter) he just doesn't fit the team. It all boils down to the best thing for the team to do would be to trade down and pick up a 2 or 3 round draft choice.
As for Redman, I agree that we could get away from drafting a S, but DL take more than a year to do anything. Add the age of our team and we need a player who can make more of an impact now. DL can also be more prone to being busts. If we were middle of the road in age or young....DL ALL THE WAY no matter what. Seeing we aren't...take the most surest player that you know will be cornerstone type guy and can help you NOW. Thus, Landry is better IMO.
This has nothing to do with like of Okoye or any other DL either. If the 'Skins walk away from Saturday picking Okoye, I will understand. Good news is that we only have a few more days to wait and then... BAM ... we will know.
Taylor even after three seasons has never shown the ability to lead the defense as his strengths lie in what he, personally, is able to do with his amazing athleticism on the field. It sounds like Landry is cut from the same cloth. Ryan Clark and Fox are no stars, but what has gotten them on the field and correspondingly gotten the defense to play better with them in the lineup has been their strong leadership abilities and knowledge of the defense.
I'm all for a BPA approach, and Landry does have all the earmarks of a star. When the BPA isn't going to fit in our lineup, though, I start to reconsider.
redman
Footballguy
The only player in the draft that I believe they'd contemplate trading up for is CJ, and I think he's gone by the 2nd or 3rd pick, so no.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Agree and considering that the Bucs are in love with the sme player...won't happen.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
You're right. And that's nothing against Landry, I think he'll be a very good player in the NFL, but a good defensive line goes a long way to improve a defense as a whole. Just ask the patriots in 2001 when they drafted Richard Seymour.
fatness
Footballguy
Yamato
Footballguy
Keep hearing good things about Jamaal Anderson. Was watching ESPN U's draft special and heard Anderson is the closest thing to the complete package at DE in this years draft.
Looking at the top 10 players:
J. Russell
B. Quinn
A. Peterson
C. Johnson
J. Thomas
L. Brown
A. Okoye
J. Anderson
G. Adams
L. Landry
I'd take any of those guys. Staying at 6 and get Landry would be fine. Francise player. Trading 1.06 to Mia for 1.09 if Quinn is available and a pick. Trade with Atlanta at 1.08 and get Landry, Okoye, or Anderson and a pick. If Peterson is available trade with Houston at 1.10 and get Anderson and a pick.
Looking at the top 10 players:
J. Russell
B. Quinn
A. Peterson
C. Johnson
J. Thomas
L. Brown
A. Okoye
J. Anderson
G. Adams
L. Landry
I'd take any of those guys. Staying at 6 and get Landry would be fine. Francise player. Trading 1.06 to Mia for 1.09 if Quinn is available and a pick. Trade with Atlanta at 1.08 and get Landry, Okoye, or Anderson and a pick. If Peterson is available trade with Houston at 1.10 and get Anderson and a pick.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writ...rson/index.html
There was an article on cnnsi.com this morning about AP. Reportedly, his collarbone is still not completely healed, as he reinjured it vs. Boise St., and they're saying he's going to need another surgery and won't be ready to play until after the start of training camp, at the earliest. Supposedly nfl teams found out about this at the combine.
Combine this with the news that the Falcons owner has allegedly instructed GM McKay to move up at all costs to take CJ, one rumor which I actually believe, and things are looking worse and worse the Skins as far as being able to trade down.
If the Raiders draft Russell, I think the odds of Detroit trading down are > 50%, with the likely favorite being ATL. That eliminates one potential trading partner for us if this does go down.
In addition to this, it looks like AP's stock may not be quite as high as previously thought with this news about his collarbone. This could possibly eliminate all the teams we thought were potentially willing to move up to take AP.
If the Falcons do move up successfully to get CJ, and no one is willing to move up to get AP due to concerns about his collarbone and upright running style, this basically leaves Brady Quinn as the primary player that teams would trade up with Washington to get, unless some team unexpectedly moves up to get Landry or Adams if they're still on the board at 1.06.
I believe that there's a good chance that the Browns take Quinn -- it's at least a 33% chance imo. And even if Quinn falls to 1.06, theres still a chance that Miami might be out of the running as a possible trade partner, if they pull off the Trent Green trade before the Skins are on the clock on Saturday. If the Fish acquire Green before early Saturday afternoon, they could wait to draft a qb in the 2nd round, and fill another need with their #1 pick.
The bottom line: It's starting to look pretty bleak with regards to the Skins being able to trade down. The best case scenario for us is the Raiders stay put and take CJ, Quinn falls to 1.06, and the Fish are unable to pull of the Trent Green trade. I don't see this all happening, however.
There was an article on cnnsi.com this morning about AP. Reportedly, his collarbone is still not completely healed, as he reinjured it vs. Boise St., and they're saying he's going to need another surgery and won't be ready to play until after the start of training camp, at the earliest. Supposedly nfl teams found out about this at the combine.
Combine this with the news that the Falcons owner has allegedly instructed GM McKay to move up at all costs to take CJ, one rumor which I actually believe, and things are looking worse and worse the Skins as far as being able to trade down.
If the Raiders draft Russell, I think the odds of Detroit trading down are > 50%, with the likely favorite being ATL. That eliminates one potential trading partner for us if this does go down.
In addition to this, it looks like AP's stock may not be quite as high as previously thought with this news about his collarbone. This could possibly eliminate all the teams we thought were potentially willing to move up to take AP.
If the Falcons do move up successfully to get CJ, and no one is willing to move up to get AP due to concerns about his collarbone and upright running style, this basically leaves Brady Quinn as the primary player that teams would trade up with Washington to get, unless some team unexpectedly moves up to get Landry or Adams if they're still on the board at 1.06.
I believe that there's a good chance that the Browns take Quinn -- it's at least a 33% chance imo. And even if Quinn falls to 1.06, theres still a chance that Miami might be out of the running as a possible trade partner, if they pull off the Trent Green trade before the Skins are on the clock on Saturday. If the Fish acquire Green before early Saturday afternoon, they could wait to draft a qb in the 2nd round, and fill another need with their #1 pick.
The bottom line: It's starting to look pretty bleak with regards to the Skins being able to trade down. The best case scenario for us is the Raiders stay put and take CJ, Quinn falls to 1.06, and the Fish are unable to pull of the Trent Green trade. I don't see this all happening, however.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
I agree. There was also a rumor that the Raiders maybe doing what the Texans did last year. Russel wants 30 mil if he's number 1. Quinn has rumored to say he'd sign less.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Really? It sounds like Russell, Johnson, and Quinn are going 1-2-3 in some order. Someone will be available for the Skins to entertain trade offers whether it be one of those guys or Peterson, Thomas, Adams, Landry, or Okoye.
Yamato
Footballguy
Beware of teams blackballing players with info such as drug use and injury issues at this part. Teams or agents of players are just trying to put position themselves to make more money or get that certain player and will throw out ethics. If this AP article was correct we would have heard about it prior to this.
fatness
Footballguy
I wonder if the injuries to Washington and McIntosh are worse than the Redskins are letting on.
Redskins May Still Trade for Briggs
Redskins May Still Trade for Briggs
redman
Footballguy
I will admit that I'm warming to the Briggs trade the more that I'm learning about the shortcomings in the DL talent vis-a-vis the 1.06 pick. That trade may end up being the best thing they can do with that pick, barring a trade-down with, for example, Miami, that keeps them in the top 10 but still nets them some additional first day pick(s).
Interesting info on Williams adapting his defense. The trouble is that a Cover-2 defense needs a D-line that can bring pressure without blitzes, and that's the one thing we know this team can't do with its present personnel.
Interesting info on Williams adapting his defense. The trouble is that a Cover-2 defense needs a D-line that can bring pressure without blitzes, and that's the one thing we know this team can't do with its present personnel.
Bizkiteer
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
More on the Lance Briggs trade (or not):
Jason LaCanfora Friday afternoon
Jason LaCanfora Friday afternoon
What makes that interesting is that supposedly John Clayton announced this evening on ESPN that the Redskins-Bears trade for Briggs was officially dead, for reasons having to do with the cap hit and with lack of time to take a physical and sign a contract before the draft.
fatness
Footballguy
Very good article by LaCanfora on DE's being looked at in the first round.
Gaines Adams
Gaines Adams
Jamaal Anderson
Adam Carriker
Yamato
Footballguy
Yamato
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dgreen
Footballguy
This team hasn't even been able to bring pressure WITH blitzes.The trouble is that a Cover-2 defense needs a D-line that can bring pressure without blitzes, and that's the one thing we know this team can't do with its present personnel.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Jason La Canfora is reporting we're going Landry
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
If Brown goes to Zona, we hold the cards....
