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***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (1 Viewer)
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Bold is the end game for Delos Corp. and why they are trying to get the data key. Ford's endgame, Doloris with the data key in hand, is the surprise.
The hosts were the control group (same story over and over) while the humans were the ones really being studied in order to develop the end game.
jamny
Footballguy
I love the way Dolores and crew enter a room, music and all. I like the new Terminator Teddy but Maeve made a good point to Dolores showing that she isn't much better than humans in what she did to him. That was Evan Rachel Wood's best episode yet. I like how she can turn her emotions on a dime.
So now it's a race to the Valley Beyond. Who was it that told Elsie to get there before Dolores, Ford or Bernard?
Dolores: "Your chance at immortality will die in that valley along with all the souls you've gathered there" Strand tells Bernard that they are going for a ride "back" to the valley beyond so I guess that is where all the bodies were floating? Receptacles for the human mind implants. An episode or two ago, the one tech guy mentioned that a third of them were like virgins, without ever having had data before.
Looks like next episode will be mostly Ghost Nation backstory.
So were Bernard and Dolores ever out in the real world in that previous episode or was that a simulation?
Great episode. No wasted time on lesser characters. Almost every scene involved confrontations between the major characters. Good stuff!
So now it's a race to the Valley Beyond. Who was it that told Elsie to get there before Dolores, Ford or Bernard?
Dolores: "Your chance at immortality will die in that valley along with all the souls you've gathered there" Strand tells Bernard that they are going for a ride "back" to the valley beyond so I guess that is where all the bodies were floating? Receptacles for the human mind implants. An episode or two ago, the one tech guy mentioned that a third of them were like virgins, without ever having had data before.
Looks like next episode will be mostly Ghost Nation backstory.
So were Bernard and Dolores ever out in the real world in that previous episode or was that a simulation?
Great episode. No wasted time on lesser characters. Almost every scene involved confrontations between the major characters. Good stuff!
kupcho1
Footballguy
Evilgrin 72
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Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
oh Elsie... Elsie can get it. 
great episode! I thought the fact that Delores was used to test Bernard was an amazing 'twist'. very clever.
so if the Cradle blew up, wiping out all host backups, does that mean that Ford only exists within the conscience of this particular instance of Bernard? and Bernie gets whacked, Ford ceases to exist? Ford is always ahead of the game, I doubt he would ever be left with only one out.
even though it's a long shot, I thought MIB might be a host for a while now. maybe he perfected the fidelity of his own self, and set the primary goal for his replacement host to uncover the secret 'ending' to the maze. the problem with this is that if he is a host, Ford should be able to see right through it...maybe even Maeve.
great episode! I thought the fact that Delores was used to test Bernard was an amazing 'twist'. very clever.
so if the Cradle blew up, wiping out all host backups, does that mean that Ford only exists within the conscience of this particular instance of Bernard? and Bernie gets whacked, Ford ceases to exist? Ford is always ahead of the game, I doubt he would ever be left with only one out.
even though it's a long shot, I thought MIB might be a host for a while now. maybe he perfected the fidelity of his own self, and set the primary goal for his replacement host to uncover the secret 'ending' to the maze. the problem with this is that if he is a host, Ford should be able to see right through it...maybe even Maeve.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Makes you want to watch it all again.
If anyone comes across a single video smash up of all those scenes, please share.
jamny
Footballguy
Real as in going on inside the Cradle? The scenes inside the Cradle can be differentiated by being in widescreen. Not sure if that's what you meant.
tommyboy
Footballguy
make sense that MIB is a host, given tthat he spent years trying to perfect James Delos. maybe he stumbled on the answer and then secretly created himself and uploaded himself to create his clone. That would mean he used Delos as a test subject similar to how Delores was testing Bernardoh Elsie... Elsie can get it.
great episode! I thought the fact that Delores was used to test Bernard was an amazing 'twist'. very clever.
so if the Cradle blew up, wiping out all host backups, does that mean that Ford only exists within the conscience of this particular instance of Bernard? and Bernie gets whacked, Ford ceases to exist? Ford is always ahead of the game, I doubt he would ever be left with only one out.
even though it's a long shot, I thought MIB might be a host for a while now. maybe he perfected the fidelity of his own self, and set the primary goal for his replacement host to uncover the secret 'ending' to the maze. the problem with this is that if he is a host, Ford should be able to see right through it...maybe even Maeve.
Koya
Footballguy
MrJimiT
Footballguy
This is an interesting take. I am starting to buy into THIS storyline a bit more. Especially since he kept calling out to Ford during all of the shooting scenes with Maeve. The only thing that's thrown me though, why would he have such an old(er) looking host to be housed in? It sorta goes against the main reason why someone would want to live forever. But for an old man (or host) he sure is able to take an awful lot of gun wounds and still function!
There is a copy of him in Bernard's pocket.oh Elsie... Elsie can get it.
great episode! I thought the fact that Delores was used to test Bernard was an amazing 'twist'. very clever.
so if the Cradle blew up, wiping out all host backups, does that mean that Ford only exists within the conscience of this particular instance of Bernard? and Bernie gets whacked, Ford ceases to exist? Ford is always ahead of the game, I doubt he would ever be left with only one out.
even though it's a long shot, I thought MIB might be a host for a while now. maybe he perfected the fidelity of his own self, and set the primary goal for his replacement host to uncover the secret 'ending' to the maze. the problem with this is that if he is a host, Ford should be able to see right through it...maybe even Maeve.
ETA: Which is kind of cool because it further illustrates him anticipating/knowing Wyatt's every move.
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Koya
Footballguy
Did you sense an "original movie vibe" during the action scenes, especially, in the latest episode? Something with the music and/or camera angles resonated a lot
jamny
Footballguy
Ford has spoken to MiB a couple of times through hosts like Lawrence's daughter and little kid Ford. He is leery of hosts being controlled by Ford like how he thought his daughter was a host at first.
James Delos was being brought along in his old body so there might be a reason why MiB/Jimmy would do it too. I've mentioned it a couple of times but last season's finale, unless it was a mistake, hinted at MiB being a host and an earlier conversation this season with Lawrence made a lot more sense if you think of MiB as a host.
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mozzy84
Footballguy
I use this as my excuse to why I don't know what the hell is going on exactly, so I am going to keep on keeping on. This show is weird because I don't know what the hell is going on but its still awesome. This thread almost confuses me more LOL
Part of the reason to use a host that looks like your current body is so that other people don't know what you've done.
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
if it's anything like last season, by the time the season is over, they will do a pretty good job of making everything clear. but while it's happening, you feel like an idiot because you're not sure what the hell is going on sometimes.
jamny
Footballguy
So my wife hasn't watched the show since we were on vacation and the Shogun World episode came on and we didn't even have subtitles for the Japanese. She only made it through last season because I was a loon about the show. I told her about how great this last episode was and said if you don't like this one, you are done with it. I watched it with her for the third time for me. Found a lot that I missed the first 2 times, got to really marvel at the slow motion & classical music of the attack of the control center. Explained things along the way. I was blown away by watching it third time. When it was over she said. "Nah, I'm done"
Koya
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Loving the show but hated that scene and I’m not usually one to nitpick details but.... So formulaic and trite. The show runners are better then that."Hey I found this robot in the basement covered in blood. She is pretty. She definitely wants to screw me."
Yankee23Fan
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Man that was great television.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So only 9 years has passed since park opened?
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm definitely in the minority on this one. I thought this was Westworld's version of Breaking Bad's Fly episode, Eleven's road trip episode on Stranger Things or Lost's Jack's tattoo episode. I thought it was really well done but ultimately provided nothing of interest for me outside of a few scenes (Ford and Ake's conversation, Sizemore's apology to Maeve and the final 5 or so minutes). We've spent plenty of time on how the hosts woke up so just offering up a different viewpoint of that didn't move me in any way. And especially with the season closing to an end it felt like a needless way to spend an hour when so much else is going on.
packersfan
Footballguy
That whole sequence defied all common sense. I'm all for suspension of belief, especially on a show like this, but nothing about what happened in that entire sequence made any logical sense at all.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
9 years since the Ghost whose story we were watching had "died" and been brought in for reprogramming.
I believe the park had already been around with him going through lives prior to that
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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
James Daulton
Footballguy
Just got done the Shogun episode and I have to admit I'm slogging my way through the season. By the tenor of the more recent posts, the season gets better, yes? Please say yes...
The episode told a story with some emotional weight to it, which the show generally has beeen incapable of doing. For that reason I thought it was among the best episodes of the series so far.
packersfan
Footballguy
I agree it was really well done but I just felt like it didn't tell us anything really new or push the greater story forward in a meaningful way outside of a few moments. For me, it was the worst episode in the show's history. I'm not saying it sucked (it didn't). I just didn't think it lived up to the show's usual exemplary standards.
belljr
Footballguy
As someone who loved the first season and found myself close to pulling the trigger this season - I'm glad I stuck it out for this last episode.
packersfan
Footballguy
This is how I would view it too and my issue primarily is about its placement. In that regard, I'd strongly compare it to Eleven's Road Trip Episode in Season 2 of Stranger Things. I get why it was done and it had some things to propel her character forward but it really came at a poor time in the overall story arc because it took us completely away from it at a time when the season was nearing an end. This episode done 5 or 6 weeks ago fares better in my eyes but with only 3 hours left for this season a diversion is not what I want to see.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Really didn't like the Shogun episodes at all, but loved this episode and didn't care about the flaws. Akecheta's story of his awakening had me thinking of existing Native American mysticism and lore which was a cool juxtaposition and was kinda blowing my mind a bit. The various Star People myths of the Lakota, Hopi, Cree came to mind, as did other creation myths. Ford being The Creator and how Ake figured out his world around him was awesome.
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Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
I thought it was an amazing episode. well acted, well written, and well shot. sometimes an episode doesn't have to be about answering a ton of questions and aggressively driving the plot. we got to see another character's perspective, got a couple questions answered, and got to feel some emotional connection with the characters and the material. sometimes that's important.
I also like to see them having Native Americans front & center, which rarely happens. it wasn't too long ago that Native American actors were given roles like "Indian 1" and "Indian 2". Zahn McClarnon is a great actor in his own right, and having 80% of his dialogue in Lakota was an inspired decision.
I also like to see them having Native Americans front & center, which rarely happens. it wasn't too long ago that Native American actors were given roles like "Indian 1" and "Indian 2". Zahn McClarnon is a great actor in his own right, and having 80% of his dialogue in Lakota was an inspired decision.
The Gator
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
Back to some of the existential questions at play, and how it might provide more relevance to this episode as we move forward:
Maeve has been communicating with the other hosts, or at least some of them. So some intellectual connection, ability to transfer/share knowledge through this mesh communication system is available.
Now, perhaps I was just taking the wrong cue, but in the last scene, I hadn't figured out that Maeve was communicating, but got some sense that Akecheta saw/recognized in Maeve his love and his life.
Again, it seems like I misread that, but it got me to thinking... if the hosts have some level of memory for all their lives, if then the hosts can communicate through this mesh, and share/download/combine that data (the experiences, the memories, the life stories), is there some level of greater or even full-common consciousness? If a host can at the same time be this life, but also the memories of all past in some cases, can they then "combine" their data and individual life stories/experiences into a common consciousness? The idea that individually we may only see that part of the world that is ours, but are somehow interconnected within some universal network of being?
I'd suggest we also get into the "time is a flat circle" argument here, as those lives, memories, experiences, can be lived/relieved/pulled upon/experienced in a non-linear order, or rather that the linearity doesn't matter (and, from the perspective of some consciousness, maybe never did)?
Yeah, I'm focused for my 3PM conference call at the top of the hour?
Maeve has been communicating with the other hosts, or at least some of them. So some intellectual connection, ability to transfer/share knowledge through this mesh communication system is available.
Now, perhaps I was just taking the wrong cue, but in the last scene, I hadn't figured out that Maeve was communicating, but got some sense that Akecheta saw/recognized in Maeve his love and his life.
Again, it seems like I misread that, but it got me to thinking... if the hosts have some level of memory for all their lives, if then the hosts can communicate through this mesh, and share/download/combine that data (the experiences, the memories, the life stories), is there some level of greater or even full-common consciousness? If a host can at the same time be this life, but also the memories of all past in some cases, can they then "combine" their data and individual life stories/experiences into a common consciousness? The idea that individually we may only see that part of the world that is ours, but are somehow interconnected within some universal network of being?
I'd suggest we also get into the "time is a flat circle" argument here, as those lives, memories, experiences, can be lived/relieved/pulled upon/experienced in a non-linear order, or rather that the linearity doesn't matter (and, from the perspective of some consciousness, maybe never did)?
Yeah, I'm focused for my 3PM conference call at the top of the hour?
packersfan
Footballguy
Given Ake's opposition to Dolores, it would appear we're being set up for a Maeve/Ake vs. Dolores showdown. Maeve has shown the ability to control other hosts but could she possibly control Dolores too? Would think that's something Hale would like to find out.
