***** Official Westworld Thread ***** (1 Viewer)

[tonydead]

Starting to think Bernard is not a bot. How does he know about the maze?  Why would he encourage Deloris to solve the maze if he were, why not just solve it himself. 

Ford character starting to get real. 

Stop with the N-30 already, there are a lot of flashbacks and some are as much as 30 years old but, there aren't two timelines simultaneously. It easy enough to tell what the current timeline is. 

 

[tonydead]

My shot in the dark is that the maze isn't really a maze but the final part of his partners pyramid. 

That much is for sure. Bernard tells Deloris as much when he tells her to solve the maze in order to set herself free. 

 

[El Floppo]

Starting to think Bernard is not a bot. How does he know about the maze?  Why would he encourage Deloris to solve the maze if he were, why not just solve it himself. 

Ford character starting to get real. 

Stop with the N-30 already, there are a lot of flashbacks and some are as much as 30 years old but, there aren't two timelines simultaneously. It easy enough to tell what the current timeline is. 

how would the little girl bot know about the maze? or snake skin?

it might be that bernard isn't aware of his botness. plus, he's an employee with a job to do. unless he just goes awol- which with all the surveillance sounds impossible- he wouldn't be able to go in and do what MIB is doing.

I still haven't given up on the idea of competing time-lines... but yeah- the flashbacks occurring in the moment while delores or maeve are looking around don't count. 

 

[El Floppo]

My shot in the dark is that the maze isn't really a maze but the final part of his partners pyramid. 

That much is for sure. Bernard tells Deloris as much when he tells her to solve the maze in order to set herself free. 

 

[El Floppo]

it would be beyond stupid if it was a literal maze.

 

[Sinn Fein]

it would be beyond stupid if it was a literal maze.

Jurassic Park meets A.I. meets Maze Runner

 

[El Floppo]

Jurassic Park meets A.I. meets Maze Runner

{whispered}... the holy trinity

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

why the hazmat suits? storytelling prop?

 

[tonydead]

how would the little girl bot know about the maze? or snake skin?

it might be that bernard isn't aware of his botness. plus, he's an employee with a job to do. unless he just goes awol- which with all the surveillance sounds impossible- he wouldn't be able to go in and do what MIB is doing.

I still haven't given up on the idea of competing time-lines... but yeah- the flashbacks occurring in the moment while delores or maeve are looking around don't count. 

Yeah, the memory of the little girl drawing the maze is kind of un-explainable right now isn't it.  I don't think the snake tattoo girl knows anything, she was just there to provide a clue (Wyatt) to MIB.

I get what you are saying about Bernard not being able to access the maze, but, wouldn't he have to reached some level of consciousness just to have knowledge of the maze?  I guess that's kind of the mind-#### right now:  To organically encourage Deloris to find something wouldn't he have to understand it himself?  If he really thinks he's human then hasn't he reached consciousness?

I don't want it to turn out that there are a bunch of bots that have already reached consciousness (solved the maze).  I like the idea that MIB is competing with Deloris/Mauve/Bernard to be the first one to solve it.  Or at least the first to solve it other than Arnold:

What do you think it means to have Arnold die in the park when that wasn't supposed to be possible?  The maze is apparently there for bots to reach the top of the pyramid and reach consciousnesses.  If a bot reaches consciousness theoretically they would be immortal, without it they rely on humans to remain functioning (immortal).  What if solving the maze allowed a human (that already has consciousness) to gain the immortality that the bots have.  Vice versa.  That all kind of makes sense too as Ford is certainly starting to play a God like roll in his world.  

ETA:  Also, MIB is supposedly a human trying to solve the maze, he's said something on the order of 'solve the maze to play the ultimate game'.  Something definitely happens to humans too at the maze end.  

 

[TheMagus]

Yeah, the memory of the little girl drawing the maze is kind of un-explainable right now isn't it.  I don't think the snake tattoo girl knows anything, she was just there to provide a clue (Wyatt) to MIB.

This is what I am having an issue with. I haven't had a chance to rewatch the episode yet. But Wyatt was just uploaded in last week's episode as a character to the storyline of Westworld. So I don't understand how he could be a key to the maze. He presumably didn't exist until Ford added him. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

Everyone meets their maker at the end of the maze.

It turns out WestWorld is really purgatory.

 

[tonydead]

This is what I am having an issue with. I haven't had a chance to rewatch the episode yet. But Wyatt was just uploaded in last week's episode as a character to the storyline of Westworld. So I don't understand how he could be a key to the maze. He presumably didn't exist until Ford added him. 

Ah, you're right!  Why would Ford be feeding clues to the MIB?

Doesn't it feel like it's Bernard/Deloris versus MIB (now possibly Ford/MIB) competing to solve the maze?  Makes me want to go back and re-watch the exchanges between Bernard and Ford.

Maybe there are different ways to solve the maze.  Maybe one purpose of the new Wyatt story line is to deflect MIB off the solution to the maze.  

 

[The Gator]

Everyone meets their maker at the end of the maze.

It turns out WestWorld is really purgatory.

finish the maze, get your consciousness uploaded to a bot so you can live forever 

 

[Dan Lambskin]

why the hazmat suits? storytelling prop?

I'd probably want one if I was responsible for retrieving dead jizz covered hookers

 

[tonydead]

I'd probably want one if I was responsible for retrieving dead jizz covered hookers

  Obviously it is a story telling device.  Mauve's memories rely on the 'others' all looking the same.  But, can easily be explained away by needing them for the chemicals they use to clean up all the bot blood very quickly each night.  Or dead jizz covered hookers.  

 

[Spin]

This is what I am having an issue with. I haven't had a chance to rewatch the episode yet. But Wyatt was just uploaded in last week's episode as a character to the storyline of Westworld. So I don't understand how he could be a key to the maze. He presumably didn't exist until Ford added him. 

Wyatt existed, he just wasn't a part of Teddy's backstory til Ford added him as a part of Teddy's memory.  That snake girl was seen earlier, in the shootout in episode 2, with the snake's head still uncolored.  It's the only uncolored section because she still hasn't gotten Wyatt.  So clearly Wyatt had existed already, and the snake lady was looking for him.  Ford just sent Teddy on the hunt for Wyatt, too.

 

[El Floppo]

Yeah, the memory of the little girl drawing the maze is kind of un-explainable right now isn't it.  I don't think the snake tattoo girl knows anything, she was just there to provide a clue (Wyatt) to MIB.

I get what you are saying about Bernard not being able to access the maze, but, wouldn't he have to reached some level of consciousness just to have knowledge of the maze?  I guess that's kind of the mind-#### right now:  To organically encourage Deloris to find something wouldn't he have to understand it himself?  If he really thinks he's human then hasn't he reached consciousness?

I don't want it to turn out that there are a bunch of bots that have already reached consciousness (solved the maze).  I like the idea that MIB is competing with Deloris/Mauve/Bernard to be the first one to solve it.  Or at least the first to solve it other than Arnold:

What do you think it means to have Arnold die in the park when that wasn't supposed to be possible?  The maze is apparently there for bots to reach the top of the pyramid and reach consciousnesses.  If a bot reaches consciousness theoretically they would be immortal, without it they rely on humans to remain functioning (immortal).  What if solving the maze allowed a human (that already has consciousness) to gain the immortality that the bots have.  Vice versa.  That all kind of makes sense too as Ford is certainly starting to play a God like roll in his world.  

ETA:  Also, MIB is supposedly a human trying to solve the maze, he's said something on the order of 'solve the maze to play the ultimate game'.  Something definitely happens to humans too at the maze end.  

I think Arnold created Bernard, so gave him a conceptual understanding of stuff like the maze.

that said- I have no idea what the maze is or what the end of the maze means... consciousness, gunga-galoonga, or otherwise. probably, they'll all end up on an island after a terrible and mysterious train crash.

 

[Spin]

I'm assuming that Arnold discovered something terrible, about Ford, about the corporation, etc.  And couldn't tell anyone, because they kept him under wraps.  The only way he could get the secret out was to die himself and leave clues behind and hope someone would tie them together.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

I'm assuming that Arnold discovered something terrible, about Ford, about the corporation, etc.  And couldn't tell anyone, because they kept him under wraps.  The only way he could get the secret out was to die himself and leave clues behind and hope someone would tie them together.  

I think Arnold figured out that we are all just part of a bigger matrix...

 

[El Floppo]

for bots like maeve and to a degree delores... does their life now become groundhog day or that tom cruise repeated day thing? acquire knowledge, die, rinse/repeat.

 

[El Floppo]

I'm assuming that Arnold discovered something terrible, about Ford, about the corporation, etc.  And couldn't tell anyone, because they kept him under wraps.  The only way he could get the secret out was to die himself and leave clues behind and hope someone would tie them together.  

oh... yeah- that's good.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

This is what I am having an issue with. I haven't had a chance to rewatch the episode yet. But Wyatt was just uploaded in last week's episode as a character to the storyline of Westworld. So I don't understand how he could be a key to the maze. He presumably didn't exist until Ford added him. 

I was assuming that, too, but I'm starting to reconsider. Maybe Wyatt's been there since the park opened and has been through the maze already? He was just added to Teddy's backstory last week, but I noticed some hints that maybe he's got history- could have even been involved in Arnold's death?

There's been some hints in the coming scenes that he and his band of outlaw hosts (who can hold knives and axes- overriding their programming) were involved in what went down at the white church with the steeple. And, I'm starting to think whatever happened at the church is where Arnold died. I think Wyatt ends up being a robot Colonel Kurtz.

 

[belljr]

Which one is Wyatt again?

 

[El Floppo]

Which one is Wyatt again?

we're all wyatt

eta: sorry... I'm terrible with names too. he's teddy's nemesis, the evil dude up in the hills with the group of hooded hombres.

 

[El Floppo]

speaking of wyatt's gang... teddy appeared to shoot them, but cause no damage. guests? hosts that have achieved total consciousness?

 

[belljr]

we're all wyatt

eta: sorry... I'm terrible with names too. he's teddy's nemesis, the evil dude up in the hills with the group of hooded hombres.

Ah that's right.    

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Which one is Wyatt again?

We've only seen glimpses of him on-screen in flashbacks, they've shown the same scene of him walking down a street shooting people randomly at least twice. But his backstory is he was a Civil War Sergeant who "went native" and is responsible for all sorts of heinous stuff. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

speaking of wyatt's gang... teddy appeared to shoot them, but cause no damage. guests? hosts that have achieved total consciousness?

Which is nice...

 

[Spin]

we're all wyatt

eta: sorry... I'm terrible with names too. he's teddy's nemesis, the evil dude up in the hills with the group of hooded hombres.

He's Teddy's nemesis now.  Before that he was tied to at least the Snake Lady.  Who knows who else as well.

 

[El Floppo]

He's Teddy's nemesis now.  Before that he was tied to at least the Snake Lady.  Who knows who else as well.

"before" could also only mean a story-line that's been uploaded at the same time as Teddy's wyatt upgrade.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

"before" could also only mean a story-line that's been uploaded at the same time as Teddy's wyatt upgrade.

Yeah, that's the mental dry hump at play. Any of the hosts' "memories" are all suspect when trying to piece together a narrative because they can be updated any time. 

 

[tommyboy]

speaking of wyatt's gang... teddy appeared to shoot them, but cause no damage. guests? hosts that have achieved total consciousness?

Wyatt being Arnold perhaps? 

 

[Spin]

"before" could also only mean a story-line that's been uploaded at the same time as Teddy's wyatt upgrade.

Sure, but she had the snake tattoo, without the colored face, before the story line was uploaded to Teddy.

 

[belljr]

Wyatt Earp

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

this #### be HARD!

 

[TheMagus]

I was assuming that, too, but I'm starting to reconsider. Maybe Wyatt's been there since the park opened and has been through the maze already? He was just added to Teddy's backstory last week, but I noticed some hints that maybe he's got history- could have even been involved in Arnold's death?

There's been some hints in the coming scenes that he and his band of outlaw hosts (who can hold knives and axes- overriding their programming) were involved in what went down at the white church with the steeple. And, I'm starting to think whatever happened at the church is where Arnold died. I think Wyatt ends up being a robot Colonel Kurtz.

I guess I'm going to have to rewatch the last TWO episodes because I really thought Wyatt was Ford's new story he was working on that overrode that weasly guy's story. 

 

[fruity pebbles]

Dumb question but what exactly is the corporation chick's beef with Ford? 

 

[Spin]

I guess I'm going to have to rewatch the last TWO episodes because I really thought Wyatt was Ford's new story he was working on that overrode that weasly guy's story. 

Wyatt was recently added to Teddy's backstory.  We're not really sure why yet, but there's evidence that points to Wyatt having been there the whole time.  We don't know why Ford sent Teddy after him, though.

 

[tommyboy]

Dumb question but what exactly is the corporation chick's beef with Ford? 

Costs

 

[Hov34]

speaking of wyatt's gang... teddy appeared to shoot them, but cause no damage. guests? hosts that have achieved total consciousness?

Heard a theory that they are humans (not guests) (recruited by Wyatt?) that live on the irradiated surface of the planet (earth?) and that's why they cover themselves because of the dis-figuration from the radiation.  Oh, this theory is going off the "28 day limit" in Westworld, no "real" animals (except flies), everything being deep underground, "Radiation Suits" some of the clean up crew wears, and guests having to "decompress" in the Mesa Gold.

Not my theory, just one of many floating out there.

 

[Hov34]

I thought the prison break was a fun little set piece.  I also thought the show was a little less grim.  It's never going to be super funny or anything, but it there was at least a little bit of wit. 

I thought Hector spewing out one liners was pretty funny.

You sound like a man who's grown tired of wearing his guts on the inside.

 

[KPD]

Heard a theory that they are humans (not guests) (recruited by Wyatt?) that live on the irradiated surface of the planet (earth?) and that's why they cover themselves because of the dis-figuration from the radiation.  Oh, this theory is going off the "28 day limit" in Westworld, no "real" animals (except flies), everything being deep underground, "Radiation Suits" some of the clean up crew wears, and guests having to "decompress" in the Mesa Gold.

Not my theory, just one of many floating out there.

This might also explain why Ed Harris looks like he does after coming there for 30 years.

 

[Spin]

Stolen from Reddit, but it's really cool so I'll share it here.

Vincenzo Natali, director of "Dissonance Theory," shared the storyboard of Maeve's memory sequence.

 

[Neo]

I don't really understand how Maeve still had a bullet fragment in her abdomen....I thought the whole point was to clean and repair them.  Did I miss something in an earlier episode?  I know she woke up mid-surgery but I though they knocked her out and brought her back to complete the work. 

 

[gump]

I don't really understand how Maeve still had a bullet fragment in her abdomen....I thought the whole point was to clean and repair them.  Did I miss something in an earlier episode?  I know she woke up mid-surgery but I though they knocked her out and brought her back to complete the work. 

They showed a flashback where 2 park Docs say there is still a fragment left in her...and they decided to close her up anyway.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

4 episodes in, I find Maeve's story line the most interesting.

 

[GregR]

Working at that park would really suck. Having to clean up all the dead bodies night after night.

 

[tommyboy]

you'd think they'd just have copies of them laying around  so you could instantly send them back in, rather than having to repair them all the time

 

[El Floppo]

you'd think they'd just have copies of them laying around  so you could instantly send them back in, rather than having to repair them all the time

the logistics of the cleanup are kind of... head-scratching. not just repairing the hosts, but cleaning up the blood, guts and goo alone is a full time job for somebody- let alone repairing all the broken doors, windows, tables, chairs, etc.

like with physics and most things in TWD, best not to think too hard about it.

 

[tommyboy]

the logistics of the cleanup are kind of... head-scratching. not just repairing the hosts, but cleaning up the blood, guts and goo alone is a full time job for somebody- let alone repairing all the broken doors, windows, tables, chairs, etc.

like with physics and most things in TWD, best not to think too hard about it.

yes its obviously a necessary plot device to have the robots be a single entity that can potentiallly "remember" 

but if I'm ford, i just print copies of sluts and have them service me hourly