Leeroy Jenkins
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Seems like there is only 2-3 seasons of material unless it goes in a very different direction.
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shadyridr
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Okay fells, get your finale predictions in!
Here's mine (and I mean mine, these are not stolen from someone on Reddit, although my opinions are informed by what I've read there):
-Who is Wyatt: I think they're ALL Wyatt. Teddy, Delores, Elon's Hottie... kinda like "I'm Neegan". They're all Wyatt.
-The Maze is a McGuffin... it won't be important... perhaps it is actually PART of Ford's new storyline
-Maeve leads a robot uprising with a few recruited bots, but it is all just a distraction for her grand plan to successfully escape the park, which she does
-Stubbs escapes the Indians, but when he gets back to HQ the robo revolt is full swing and many have already died. He succeeds in snuffing it out.
-Whatever went down 30 years ago ends with Delores going nuts, Logan dead at her hands, and William becoming the MiB
-Ford pleased with himself at the end, but surprised about Maeve's escape if he finds out before it ends
ETA: I'm kinda thinking Ford's "Wyatt" storyline includes the maze and is meant to convince people that the hosts are really awakening... thus raising the stakes. But it's still all just his storyline. Meanwhile, Maeve's awakening is legitimate and unforeseen by him.
Here's mine (and I mean mine, these are not stolen from someone on Reddit, although my opinions are informed by what I've read there):
-Who is Wyatt: I think they're ALL Wyatt. Teddy, Delores, Elon's Hottie... kinda like "I'm Neegan". They're all Wyatt.
-The Maze is a McGuffin... it won't be important... perhaps it is actually PART of Ford's new storyline
-Maeve leads a robot uprising with a few recruited bots, but it is all just a distraction for her grand plan to successfully escape the park, which she does
-Stubbs escapes the Indians, but when he gets back to HQ the robo revolt is full swing and many have already died. He succeeds in snuffing it out.
-Whatever went down 30 years ago ends with Delores going nuts, Logan dead at her hands, and William becoming the MiB
-Ford pleased with himself at the end, but surprised about Maeve's escape if he finds out before it ends
ETA: I'm kinda thinking Ford's "Wyatt" storyline includes the maze and is meant to convince people that the hosts are really awakening... thus raising the stakes. But it's still all just his storyline. Meanwhile, Maeve's awakening is legitimate and unforeseen by him.
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Skoo
Footballguy
The Ford/Maeve thing is pretty interesting for sure.
He certainly makes it clear that he knows everything that's going on in the park, which of course would include Maeve.
So is he really just overlooking her whole awakening?
Seems unlikely, but at the same time we haven't seen much concern at all for the way she's been acting. Maybe this is all part of the loop that he has gone through several times already, I don't know.
It seems like everyone's storylines overlap pretty often, but not these two. Like everything on this show, it's gotta be on purpose IMO.
He certainly makes it clear that he knows everything that's going on in the park, which of course would include Maeve.
So is he really just overlooking her whole awakening?
Seems unlikely, but at the same time we haven't seen much concern at all for the way she's been acting. Maybe this is all part of the loop that he has gone through several times already, I don't know.
It seems like everyone's storylines overlap pretty often, but not these two. Like everything on this show, it's gotta be on purpose IMO.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Maeve leads a robot uprising, they "break free" only to realize they are trapped on an island/different planet. Remaining humans (Elsie, Stubbs, Real Arnold now old in incredible makeup job) have to try to fight free in Season two.
shadyridr
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Finale Prediction..... hmmm.
I am still of the opinion that unless absolutely proven otherwise, everyone is a bot. Everyone.
Wyatt - Wyatt is going to be either Ford or Arnold. Wyatt was only introduced by Ford; he clearly has the background of killing "everyone" meaning the bots. The bots that know of Wyatt fear him and want him dead. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Ford is Wyatt, because when Arnold was having whatever problem he was having that led to his death or murder, Ford punished him by killing his bots massacre style either to make him see they aren't real or in a fit of rage.
The Wyatt gang that wears the masks are bots. Special bots that Ford made for a roaming death squad that he could use to protect himself and his secrets in the park.
The Maze is the cycle of the park's main story - and the main story is that there is always a quest for some bots to become sentient. Ford allows this to happen so that he can weed out the real people that work there that would help them, so that he can kill them and replace them with bots. And it keeps the bots sane in their captivity to always have some kind of hope when they finally get to the point where their programming sees the loops happening again. It's a safety mechanism.
No matter what happens in the finale though, unless Ford dies, then my money - and I have to admit my hope I think - is that however this season ends it feels like a real ending to everything. And then there is a quick 3 minute scene at the end which is an almost exact replica of the very first scene of Teddy on the train. And season two starts right exactly where season 1 started, and we go through the whole thing again, only different bots become the main characters in the quest for the maze.
I am still of the opinion that unless absolutely proven otherwise, everyone is a bot. Everyone.
Wyatt - Wyatt is going to be either Ford or Arnold. Wyatt was only introduced by Ford; he clearly has the background of killing "everyone" meaning the bots. The bots that know of Wyatt fear him and want him dead. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Ford is Wyatt, because when Arnold was having whatever problem he was having that led to his death or murder, Ford punished him by killing his bots massacre style either to make him see they aren't real or in a fit of rage.
The Wyatt gang that wears the masks are bots. Special bots that Ford made for a roaming death squad that he could use to protect himself and his secrets in the park.
The Maze is the cycle of the park's main story - and the main story is that there is always a quest for some bots to become sentient. Ford allows this to happen so that he can weed out the real people that work there that would help them, so that he can kill them and replace them with bots. And it keeps the bots sane in their captivity to always have some kind of hope when they finally get to the point where their programming sees the loops happening again. It's a safety mechanism.
No matter what happens in the finale though, unless Ford dies, then my money - and I have to admit my hope I think - is that however this season ends it feels like a real ending to everything. And then there is a quick 3 minute scene at the end which is an almost exact replica of the very first scene of Teddy on the train. And season two starts right exactly where season 1 started, and we go through the whole thing again, only different bots become the main characters in the quest for the maze.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
They just didn't show us the picture again in episode 9 for nothing. I think it comes into play with William and Logan getting captured by the cannibal cult led by Abernathy (Dolores' first dad) and he takes the picture off of William and quotes the Shakespeare quote about Violent ends. William gets it back and shows it to Dolores (if she's still alive then) and she/he drops it or buries it at the farm.
I just confused myself with my own theory. #### this show.
(but I love it)
I just confused myself with my own theory. #### this show.
(but I love it)
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
I didn't buy William going full blown pyscho virtually overnight. But it does almost confirm he was the MIB.
Kind of wish I didn't read the spoilers, need to have patience with this stuff because the show would be more enjoyable with some surprises.
Instead just about everything you read is true.
Kind of wish I didn't read the spoilers, need to have patience with this stuff because the show would be more enjoyable with some surprises.
Instead just about everything you read is true.
Capella
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https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/James Daulton said:
Feel free to confirm that my guesses are NOT there as of the time of my post (haven't looked today).
Most people there seem to be speculating that Maeve's story is actually Ford's new storyline, intending her to kill the board when they visit.
ETA: Except longstanding ones like William = MIB
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El Floppo
Footballguy
dammit man.
I don't go to reddit or anywhere else because I like to watch unspoiled- and for the most part we're pretty good about it in here... spoiler tags. continued and ongoing tia.
RUSF18
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I'm not sure I get the complaint about Hulk. Speculation is not the same as spoilers. We've been speculating without spoiler tags for months in this thread.
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Fellas, they're all guesses. I have the same information as the rest of the public.
Some things for the MIB = Logan crowd:
From Episode 4, William talking to Logan: "What is your problem? The second we get away from the real world, you turn into an evil #####." Suggesting Logan is a "better" person in the real world.
From Episode 5, MIB: "When this place started, I opened one of you up once. A million little perfect pieces." This could be from Logan opening up Delores (or even another host on a prior visit). It could also be William when he went nuts on the Confederados, but that seems less likely, imo.
From Episode 4, William talking to Logan: "What is your problem? The second we get away from the real world, you turn into an evil #####." Suggesting Logan is a "better" person in the real world.
From Episode 5, MIB: "When this place started, I opened one of you up once. A million little perfect pieces." This could be from Logan opening up Delores (or even another host on a prior visit). It could also be William when he went nuts on the Confederados, but that seems less likely, imo.
Pretty sure that was just symbolic - as I thought Maeve said something about going into hell.
ETA: Hector: "How do we get there?" Maeve: "Getting to hell is easy."
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shadyridr
Footballguy
Nobodies complaining about him. Agreed they are not spoilers. Just some people like to be surprised when they watch shows and not know every twist and turn before they happen and Hulk has an uncanny ability to know all the twists and turns of this show. props to him and also people can just skip over his posts if they choose. I do NOT think they should be put in spoiler tags because they are just very good educated guesses.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Guesses after reading reddit "speculation" which are other nerds (honestly, not you) trying to pass off actual legit spoilers as their own "theories" for internet points.
Seriously, I'm not complaining. I can skip over long posts of yours. Was just a reminder that others may want to do the same.
El Floppo
Footballguy
fair enough.
coming from somewhere else always feels more spoilery... especially from all those wikkid smaht folks redditing. if we're in here spit-balling, feels like I'm just at the watercooler...
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I think it's kind of taken for granted.
There is a question of whether the show treats this literally or metaphorically. I could be argued that Delores is navigating a maze constructed in her mind right now. A maze where she has to reconcile memories, core programming, and an emerging free will to develop consciousness. So it very well may be true that there in no literal "maze" in the park. Or it could be true that this "internal" maze is meant to parallel a physical journey.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
This seems unlikely to me. When someone on Reddit get spoilers to Game of Thrones, they post them as spoilers. They don't post them as theories and claim "see I was right all along!" The major theories that Redditors have been right about are theories that had a lot of textual support early in the show. I get that the Arnold Weber thing seems odd, but it's fairly common for superfans to look for anagrams.
culdeus
Footballguy
But she keeps getting suggestions that put her into harms way that don't seem to be part of her core code and memories. Need to reconcile that somehow. If the voices push her into the maze, then that's a squeaky clean way to manage this I guess. I also don't remember if any of the other hosts have had the voices or not, or if we are only given access to Delores' ones.
RUSF18
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Yes, she has a bicameral transmitter designed by Arnold. She needs to sort out whether she is receiving instructions from Arnold, remembering receiving those instructions in the past, or imagining those instructions as a construction of her psyche. Seeing as how the finale is titled "The Bicameral Mind" we'll probably get something addressing that.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
I could be way off, and I'm too lazy to go back and watch the episode (may do it tonight), but I thought when they retired Dolores's first dad they said the Shakespeare quote came from an old scirpt where he was in a cult or a cult leader on the fringes of the park?
Capella
Footballguy
That's why the hot blonde told that man in black the maze wasn't for him. He literally can't enter it since he's not a bot.
The Gator
Footballguy
It's going to be awesome when the big reveal is everyone was just looking for maize
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Yes. He was "the Professor," the leader of a self-cannibalism cult. He also apparently was the sheriff at one point.I could be way off, and I'm too lazy to go back and watch the episode (may do it tonight), but I thought when they retired Dolores's first dad they said the Shakespeare quote came from an old scirpt where he was in a cult or a cult leader on the fringes of the park?
hagmania
Footballguy
Shills are everywhere on reddit, I get your point. But even not-so-careful study of this series really would lend to a rather easy discovery of most of the big reveals imo.
Maybe easier from a binge prespective, I watched everything as a first viewing over the past four days.
hagmania
Footballguy
Waingro
Footballguy
I believe the bold could be true, which would explain why MiB has been told multiple times - "The maze isn't for you." The maze can only be navigated by a host.
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Waingro
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I think the whole self-aware thing is Ford's plan. Afterall, he removed Teddy to let Delores out of her loop and he gave him the Wyatt backstory.
I am not sure about Maeve though or Delores's father finding that photo. Those may have been random and will impact Ford's plan.
I am not sure about Maeve though or Delores's father finding that photo. Those may have been random and will impact Ford's plan.
hagmania
Footballguy
I only have a slight gripe if Billy the Kid doesn't grow up to be Randall Flagg:
I really like the thought that we are viewing everything on one timeline and Dolores' perspective is a big tangled mess of her memory, ie everything we see with William. But, we get scenes from William's perspective, so I hope this is also telling us William's transformation story, and not just a red herring.
I think that is what I like about the writing the most, lack of red herring.
I really like the thought that we are viewing everything on one timeline and Dolores' perspective is a big tangled mess of her memory, ie everything we see with William. But, we get scenes from William's perspective, so I hope this is also telling us William's transformation story, and not just a red herring.
I think that is what I like about the writing the most, lack of red herring.
culdeus
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
fwiw- other hosts have been hearing arnold's voice in their heads. remember the milk bottle shooter? there were a couple of others, IIRC.
re: maze... I agree with RHE that the maze isn't some corn maze out in a field, or with a minotaur in the middle and escaped with a ball of string. it's a psychological maze... and probably escaped when the host achieves true consciousness/AI. the voices push and prod, but the only way out is total enlightenment (which is nice).
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
We've already seen the minotaur.
El Floppo
Footballguy
party of wyatt's masked gang- the guy teddy and mib had to take out? I think we're joking... but with all the maze talk- and the show not putting anything in haphazardly (so far)... maybe not?
getting back to that group/gang... they can't be killed by hosts' bullets, which had me guessing they were guests originally. are we thinking they're modified hosts?
