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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Spin
Footballguy
I don't think he does. He's trying to awaken her. The show has shown that the way that the hosts achieve true consciousnesses is through anguish. He realized that with Maeve when he killed her daughter trying to determine if he was truly evil or not. He realized that through pain and anguish, the hosts become truly alive. I think he's trying to unlock that with her.
He's trying to get to the maze through Dolores.
Skoo
Footballguy
Couldn't resist reading reddit, some interesting new theories there.
One that I really like is that the purpose of Teddy is to live out William's storyline. They both arrive on the train, pick up the can for Dolores, fall in love with her, etc.
So after Dolores turns Wyatt and kills everyone back in the day, Ford creates Teddy to keep her in her loop, to "keep her from wandering off" as I belive MiB puts it.
Teddy is a re-creation of the young and nieve William. Which would explain why MiB always seems to have so much contempt for Teddy, it's like looking in a mirror at the young "loser" version of himself.
One that I really like is that the purpose of Teddy is to live out William's storyline. They both arrive on the train, pick up the can for Dolores, fall in love with her, etc.
So after Dolores turns Wyatt and kills everyone back in the day, Ford creates Teddy to keep her in her loop, to "keep her from wandering off" as I belive MiB puts it.
Teddy is a re-creation of the young and nieve William. Which would explain why MiB always seems to have so much contempt for Teddy, it's like looking in a mirror at the young "loser" version of himself.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Question. So Ford creates Bernard years after Arnold is killed. Isnt there anyone saying, "hey, whos that new guy who looks just like Arnold that we just hired."
AcerFC
Footballguy
I thought the same. Even if its years later, the board or Delos has no idea what Arnold looks like. Seems like anyone associated with the park when it opened would be all over the media, especially the main coder/inventor of the park
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
The show has hinted that Arnold seems to have been pretty reclusive. And the Ford that created Bernard seems quite a bit older than the CGI Ford we see in the flashbacks. In a show about lifelike animatronic ****bots, it doesn't strain credulity too much with me.
The Gator
Footballguy
Maeve's trigger was seeing her daughter get murdered and feeling that loss. I don't think repeatedly raping Dolores does the same thing. It's a compassion thing, the word Bernard couldn't say when he was seeing Maeve dead.
Skoo
Footballguy
In an earlier episode they talk about how most people don't even know that Arnold existed, basically that Ford removed all evidence of Arnold being there, leaving most people to believe Ford created the park and the hosts all by himself.
Spin
Footballguy
Do we know he's raping Dolores? Just that he drags her into the barn. I think the show wanted us to assume he was raping her but I don't think he did.
I think he's trying to unlock raw emotion. I don't think he means to physically fight back, but instead to fight to be free. He mentions to Lawrence that when the hosts are suffering is when they are the most real. She also later finds that gun in there when remembering the experience, and defends herself. I think he was trying to create that response and later trigger it. Same with Teddy. He was creating a raw emotional experience, of watching Dolores be dragged away, and assumed raped.
The Gator
Footballguy
It's a specific emotion though, not just any bad emotion...imo
There's not much compassion or empathy in being raped(if that's what's going on as it's led to believe)/beaten.
No compassion listed ...
There's not much compassion or empathy in being raped(if that's what's going on as it's led to believe)/beaten.
No compassion listed ...
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Hulk introduced the theory to this board. On Reddit it was apparently first advanced by a user named Spocks_Nipple. Like the William/MiB theory, I thought it seemed obvious once I heard it. It just explained things that were confusing without the context. That's what I like most about the show. Yeah, it's dense and hard to figure out, but there are breadcrumbs there. The twists don't come out of left field.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
(HULK)
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Capella
Footballguy
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Spin
Footballguy
Was I the only one who found the "Clear the floor" by Bernard... odd? When have they ever cleared the floor for examining. Which then of course made it possible for Maeve to take over and command him without anyone witnessing.
Anyone else think that possibly Arnold was also a bot made by Ford? Alpha.. Beta.. Arnold... Bernard? Maybe? Who knows.
Also, the knife that Logan uses to cut Dolores open sure looks a lot like the knife that MIB carries, so maybe another hint. Also if it wasn't already obvious, it was pretty much confirmed with the mechanical Dolores that the William/Dolores time is back in the past and she's reliving it via memories, while taking the same path in present day.
We also see the photo that started it all is a picture of William's fiancee that causes Dolores dad to go crazy.
And what's going on with the Indians that took Stubbs and ignored his commands?
Anyone else think that possibly Arnold was also a bot made by Ford? Alpha.. Beta.. Arnold... Bernard? Maybe? Who knows.
Also, the knife that Logan uses to cut Dolores open sure looks a lot like the knife that MIB carries, so maybe another hint. Also if it wasn't already obvious, it was pretty much confirmed with the mechanical Dolores that the William/Dolores time is back in the past and she's reliving it via memories, while taking the same path in present day.
We also see the photo that started it all is a picture of William's fiancee that causes Dolores dad to go crazy.
And what's going on with the Indians that took Stubbs and ignored his commands?
El Floppo
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
MIB has to be William. Recognizing the chick who initially greeted him upon entrance to the park confirmed it for me.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
The Gator
Footballguy
Yup, thought that was odd. At first I thought Bernarnold meant clear EVERYTHING as in 'get rid of all the bots too so she can't control them' , but that wasn't the case.
Caused her dad to go crazy, not her, it didn't look like anything to Dolores.
Dolores has yet to see the picture in the William timeline, right? So she'll have to come across that soon in order for it be an image 'that would harm her.'
Spin
Footballguy
Yah, that's what I said, caused Dolores' dad to go crazy, and probably. Williams just got it in his timeline. Unless it was dropped by MIB years later when we went to go revisit Dolores.
culdeus
Footballguy
So this is all delores' backstory leading up to the present day. And most of this is happening in the present day. Is there really much of any major plotlines being shown in the distant past that don't directly have her dialogue?
I have to admit I missed the dress delores. The high waisted mom jean delores isn't doing it for me.
I have to admit I missed the dress delores. The high waisted mom jean delores isn't doing it for me.
The Gator
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
Just meaning the vast majority of what the viewer has been presented is in what was in the present day, except for items involving delores in which all bets are off.
Exceptions being situations where there are obvious flashbacks presented as such.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Really fun show. I have a slight connection to the original movie with Yul and Brolin but I do not want to make this about me during one of the best 1st seasons I have seen in a while. I will wait until the off season to discuss further. Great show and a really strong cast that are having as much fun as we are if not more.
This will likely be a mainstay on HBO for a while. Anthony Hopkins was personally inspired by Breaking Bad and wrote to the show how much he thought of everyone in it. I think he jumped on a chance to sink his teeth into a show he felt had a movie quality to it and it shows in his performance so far.
Wife likes it too so makes it an easy entry into the rotation.
This will likely be a mainstay on HBO for a while. Anthony Hopkins was personally inspired by Breaking Bad and wrote to the show how much he thought of everyone in it. I think he jumped on a chance to sink his teeth into a show he felt had a movie quality to it and it shows in his performance so far.
Wife likes it too so makes it an easy entry into the rotation.
The Gator
Footballguy
I don't think so. They made it seem like he would, but when Dolores comes back to him he's alive before looking at her and dying iirc
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Quint
Footballguy
bentley
Footballguy
Yeah, seems like almost all of the old timeline stuff is Delores related. Which makes the Maeve dominance of the present kind of a square peg. It's the one thing I don't like much about the show.
Thandie Newton looks great naked so I'm willing to look past it.
tommyboy
Footballguy
tommyboy
Footballguy
Too busy to keep up on the thread, two question:
Was that the season finally?
Who's on team Mauve and who's on team Hopkins? I'm all in for Hopkins. He's got a whole dungeon of retired hosts for his army.
Im also leaning William not being MIB, rather, his bro in law. Deloris is deathly afraid of MIB which is opposite of William's primary objective (plus he's raped/killed her in previous timelines). Who is William in modern time tho?
Ok, three questions.
Was that the season finally?
Who's on team Mauve and who's on team Hopkins? I'm all in for Hopkins. He's got a whole dungeon of retired hosts for his army.
Im also leaning William not being MIB, rather, his bro in law. Deloris is deathly afraid of MIB which is opposite of William's primary objective (plus he's raped/killed her in previous timelines). Who is William in modern time tho?
Ok, three questions.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Interesting flip here. He's trying to elicit from the hosts what the park was designed to elicit from the guests.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
I can't imagine a scenario where the bro-in-law becomes MiB. You would have to spend an entire season turning a vapid, superficial, "what you see is what you get" character into someone far more complex.
Spin
Footballguy
I think he's going to end up being the anti-hero, who's been trying to help the hosts gain sentience.
Has anyone talked about how apparently there is already a host who has been self-aware for awhile? We've been focusing on Maeve and Dolores, but Talulah Riley's (the hot chick who welcomed William in the first time) bot has apparently been at this level for awhile, when she tells Teddy he's not ready yet. Or is it just all version 1 bots that are becoming sentient at the moment?
heckmanm
Footballguy
Bernarnold said something about "all the sentient hosts", so there's something different about the early ones.
