Let's be serious, this team can't win 3 games in a row, let alone 15.Great win tonight.I can see this team winning 12-15 games in a row and getting right back into this race.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I actually hope that the Tigers make the WS again, that way I can watch as they take yet another piss down the side of their leg.Feels like 2005 doesn't it?Well except for the fact the White Sox suck and all.Hey love the positive vibe. If anything- let's crush someone in the division in the second half to ruin their playoff chances! I think that I would like to see us hammer Minny and the Tigers as they have had their chances recently!Great win tonight.I can see this team winning 12-15 games in a row and getting right back into this race.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
oh no you didnt!!!!!Look out for the Royals. they are breathing down your neckI actually hope that the Tigers make the WS again, that way I can watch as they take yet another piss down the side of their leg.Feels like 2005 doesn't it?Well except for the fact the White Sox suck and all.Hey love the positive vibe. If anything- let's crush someone in the division in the second half to ruin their playoff chances! I think that I would like to see us hammer Minny and the Tigers as they have had their chances recently!Great win tonight.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Looks like Buehrle is a goner.
Mark Buehrle was willing to go forward and make a deal with the Chicago White Sox that didn't include a no-trade clause, but his overture was rejected.
Now it appears that his contract talks have broken down for good, and he may soon be traded.
"Mark loves playing for the White Sox," said Jeff Berry, Buehrle's agent, on Saturday night. "He has the utmost respect for everybody in the organization. In an effort to bridge the contractual impasse, Mark offered a sensible alternative to the full no-trade clause. Those alternatives were rejected, and Mark hopes for resolution before the second half."
The White Sox had offered Buehrle a four-year, $56 million deal, and Buehrle had insisted on a full no-trade clause. According to a source familiar with negotiations, the White Sox asked for possible solutions to the impasse. Buehrle's side suggested a new structure, without a blanket no-trade clause -- a four-year, $56 million deal, and if Buehrle was traded, then a $17 million player option for 2012 would kick in. This way, if Buehrle were traded, then his deal would get closer to his current market value; five years and $73 million is equal to what Roy Oswalt got with the Astros last fall.
But the White Sox turned down the proposal, and continue to market Buehrle aggressively. Buehrle threw eight scoreless innings Saturday, and as he walked off the field after the top of the eighth, he waved his cap -- perhaps for the last time with the White Sox.
Mark Buehrle was willing to go forward and make a deal with the Chicago White Sox that didn't include a no-trade clause, but his overture was rejected.
Now it appears that his contract talks have broken down for good, and he may soon be traded.
"Mark loves playing for the White Sox," said Jeff Berry, Buehrle's agent, on Saturday night. "He has the utmost respect for everybody in the organization. In an effort to bridge the contractual impasse, Mark offered a sensible alternative to the full no-trade clause. Those alternatives were rejected, and Mark hopes for resolution before the second half."
The White Sox had offered Buehrle a four-year, $56 million deal, and Buehrle had insisted on a full no-trade clause. According to a source familiar with negotiations, the White Sox asked for possible solutions to the impasse. Buehrle's side suggested a new structure, without a blanket no-trade clause -- a four-year, $56 million deal, and if Buehrle was traded, then a $17 million player option for 2012 would kick in. This way, if Buehrle were traded, then his deal would get closer to his current market value; five years and $73 million is equal to what Roy Oswalt got with the Astros last fall.
But the White Sox turned down the proposal, and continue to market Buehrle aggressively. Buehrle threw eight scoreless innings Saturday, and as he walked off the field after the top of the eighth, he waved his cap -- perhaps for the last time with the White Sox.
Buehrle just resigned.
wow. from "looks like a goner" to locked up for 4 more years in about an hour.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Good thing I added the entire article to my post to cover my ###.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Third? They'll be lucky to finish fourth the way things have been going.It's time to get rid of the Podsednik/Erstad/Dye/Mackowiak outfield.Ichiro, Tori Hunter and Aaron Rowand would be an upgrade. Andruw Jones not so much....
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Good move to sign MB! Now we have to cut ways with Contreras and Dye. The thing that bothers me is how the team was so pumped up. Pumped up because some dude just hit the mother load?
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Last night proved to me that the Ozzie show is getting about as stale as watching a hamster run it's cage. how many times have we seen this act by the bullpen? This is not spring training!
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
What is he supposed to do? Ozzie has used every viable combination of bullpen pitchers available to him, including the options available at AAA. If there's blame to be laid anywhere it's with Kenny Williams. He put the pieces together and they suck.Now go back to worrying about the Cubs.
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Chief_X_LRG
Footballguy
Limp Ditka said:
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
You really want some of me junior? This coming from the guy that called me a windsock back in May when I said that this team was done. Ohhh and Steve Stone was a blowhard as well. Since then the Sox have fallen into the tank so far that they are now saying they can be this bad for years to come. No do not blame Ozzie. Do not blame Kenny. Do not blame any of the players. Naw just come up here and take yer little spit ball shots at me because the team sucks. This is what a little bully does. You remind me of that little pimply-faced brat Farkus in Christmas Story. The guy with the bark but has a bite like an infant that is teething. The best that you can do is offer excuses for a lame duck manager and a knuckle headed GM that just about single handedly gutted a farm system that was about the best in MLB up to two years ago. You sit here holding Ozzie's jockstrap like it means the world to you. I don't care about how Kenny boy brought us a WS championship two years ago. Does not cut it for me. Managers that win work with the GM to evaluate and bring up talent based on the needs of the team and this team needs a lot of help. What is Ozzie supposed to do you say? Well if you look at this game you will see him experimenting with a guy that is coming off an injury and who promptly gives up 4 runs offering up softballs to a lousy Oriole team. Never mind that you have a closer that is coming off of a 4-day rest. The bottom line here is you are the windsock. The Sox will be better served to get rid of Kenny boy and bring in Steve Stone. Sign A-rod and pray that Crede comes back. Trade Dye and Contreras and fix that bullpen. Hope that Pods will come back healthy. Put Owens in center and maybe you can get back in the division next year. Maybe I am dreaming but this is what it will take. Until then I will watch the Cubs\Brewers\Tigers\Twins and the Tribe because they are a lot more interesting then watching this mess. Like I said in my post at the Cubs thread- I like baseball in general and would rather see a team in the Midwest win it all. This Sox team stinks about as bad as anything that I have seen in 30 years of watching WS baseball. My instinct tells me that you came rolling along once the team was about to win it all.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
You go ahead and rely on instinct while I rely on what I know. We'll start with #1. #1 You instantly resort to name calling and only look like and idiot in doing so.
Now continuing on with #2 through #10
#2 I said if anyone was to blame it was Kenny Williams. The rest of the statement, about the bullpen sucking is pretty much laying blame there. So don't tell me I'm not blaming anyone.
#3 A Rod the solution to the WS problems? He's a loser. Has been one everywhere he went. He's the Dan Marino of baseball. If you think for one second that dumping $25+ million per year into A Rod is the road to the promise land, I'm done thinking you look like an idiot. With $25+ million dedicated to one player, the WS would rely heavily on what you called a "gutted" minor league system to field the rest of the major league team outside of those already under contract. That means the entire OF, 3B (if AROD plays SS), 2B (Iguchi a FA at the end of the year) and the majority of the bullpen will be products of the "gutted" minor league system with the occasional journeyman mixed in.
#4 Joe Crede is not coming back unless it's for a huge home team discount. Josh Fields in the future at 3rd base and the future is now. They will not bury money into him with that back, surgically repaired or not.
#5 Steve Stone is still a blowhard. I can't see anything that he's done in the last 2 months that would make me thing anything different. He's still a radio / broadcast booth personality = blowhard. Nothing more, nothing less.
#6 Kenny Williams has gutted the farm system? What in the hell are you talking about? What moves has he made to make you think this? Restocking it with Gio Gonzalez (6-4 with 115Ks in 95IP) and taking a chance on Gavin Floyd for Freddy G who pitched a whole 58 innings this year? Getting John Danks and Nick Masset for one of the most over-rated young players in baseball in Brandon McCarthy? If KW has "gutted" the farm system, where's all the major league talent on other rosters? Its not there. Outside of Chris Young, there's not a person that KW has moved with a chance in hell to be an impact palyer in the bigs, and I'd take Javy Vazquez for Chris Young every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If the minor league system has been gutted at all, its because the "talent" there has shown it's true colors and just isn't that good. Yes, KW is to blame for that too, but he didn't gut it by trading the players, he got them to the bigs and let them prove their worth and right now the jury is still out big time on all of them.
#7 It doesn't take a genius to know Dye and Contreras are your tradables, so no bonus points for you. If you think we're going to get major league ready bullpen arms for these guys, we're back to assessing the idiot part of #1.
#8 Jerry Owens isn't the answer in CF. My guess is that Aaron Rowand will be the CF for the White Sox again next year. Its the best baseball and marketing move the team can make.
#9 There's no way they can count on Scott Podsednik to be healthy for an entire season again. You go ahead and keep hoping though.
#10
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
You go ahead and rely on instinct while I rely on what I know. We'll start with #1.
OK humor me with what you "know"....
#1 You instantly resort to name calling and only look like and idiot in doing so.
Ohhh really- maybe you are the town idiot because you called me a windsock long before you started to stalk me in this thread and then followed me around on the Cubs thread.
Now continuing on with #2 through #10
#2 I said if anyone was to blame it was Kenny Williams. The rest of the statement, about the bullpen sucking is pretty much laying blame there. So don't tell me I'm not blaming anyone.
As I was doing the same back in the same time period in which you jumped my ###. Big deal it does not take a brain surgeon to realize that this clown screwed the team and the fans.
#3 A Rod the solution to the WS problems? He's a loser. Has been one everywhere he went. He's the Dan Marino of baseball. If you think for one second that dumping $25+ million per year into A Rod is the road to the promise land, I'm done thinking you look like an idiot. With $25+ million dedicated to one player, the WS would rely heavily on what you called a "gutted" minor league system to field the rest of the major league team outside of those already under contract. That means the entire OF, 3B (if AROD plays SS), 2B (Iguchi a FA at the end of the year) and the majority of the bullpen will be products of the "gutted" minor league system with the occasional journeyman mixed in.
A-rod is a loser? The stats sure point in that direction. Get a mitt and get in the game honey. A-Rod at SS. Crede or Josh Fields at 3rd. Paulie at 1st base and Iguchi at 2nd base. You think Iguchi has the leverage to break the bank after the last two seasons? Wake up and smell the roses. If you think that Owens, Pods, Iguchi, Thome, A-rod. Paulie cannot do any better than the team low BA in MLB then you need to get into bowling.
#4 Joe Crede is not coming back unless it's for a huge home team discount. Josh Fields in the future at 3rd base and the future is now. They will not bury money into him with that back, surgically repaired or not.
That is right. If Crede comes back he has no leverage. So what you are saying genius is that Crede is done? Not only are you a genius but you are a medical professional? Either way- the Sox will be more than happy with A-rod on the left side with either player and they save a lot of $$$$$$ at third base as well as second.
#5 Steve Stone is still a blowhard. I can't see anything that he's done in the last 2 months that would make me thing anything different. He's still a radio / broadcast booth personality = blowhard. Nothing more, nothing less.
Make you “thing” anything less? Stay hot junior. SS is one of the most respected baseball voices and minds in the game. His acumen includes not only a solid baseball career playing for some of the most successful baseball minds in the game- but he was instrumental in pulling the Cubs out of the toilet as half the broadcast team that put WGN and the Cubs on the map. Kenny Williams is a hack and a tool. He gutted this team and the farm system and sent Frank Thomas packing like he was Joe Borchard. SS is a Chicago guy that is well respected and will be a great change of pace. Besides- who do you have? No one and nothing but comments that hold no water.
#6 Kenny Williams has gutted the farm system? What in the hell are you talking about? What moves has he made to make you think this? Restocking it with Gio Gonzalez (6-4 with 115Ks in 95IP) and taking a chance on Gavin Floyd for Freddy G who pitched a whole 58 innings this year? Getting John Danks and Nick Masset for one of the most over-rated young players in baseball in Brandon McCarthy? If KW has "gutted" the farm system, where's all the major league talent on other rosters? Its not there. Outside of Chris Young, there's not a person that KW has moved with a chance in hell to be an impact palyer in the bigs, and I'd take Javy Vazquez for Chris Young every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If the minor league system has been gutted at all, its because the "talent" there has shown it's true colors and just isn't that good. Yes, KW is to blame for that too, but he didn't gut it by trading the players, he got them to the bigs and let them prove their worth and right now the jury is still out big time on all of them.
“The talent there has shown it’s true colors and just isn’t that good’. Great job defending your position. All you did was prove that Kenny Williams gutted the farm system. All GMs get talent to prove what they can do in the majors. No one is proving me anything positive. Take a look at that bullpen and sell me a different tale instead of proving to me what we already know.
#7 It doesn't take a genius to know Dye and Contreras are your tradables, so no bonus points for you. If you think we're going to get major league ready bullpen arms for these guys, we're back to assessing the idiot part of #1.
No one is debating the merits of who is on the block. Scouts left and right are all over Dye and Jose. Both players were solid last year at times and in the case of Dye all of 2006. Players just do not lose talent over a winter. They lose desire. You put either guy on a contender and they could make a huge difference and they will.
#8 Jerry Owens isn't the answer in CF. My guess is that Aaron Rowand will be the CF for the White Sox again next year. Its the best baseball and marketing move the team can make.
No- A-Rod is the best player marketing move the team can make. You sign the best free agent in the league and he will hit over .300, 45 HRs and 120 plus RBIs easily in that ball park if he is healthy but the guy calling me an idiot is telling me that A-rod is a LOSER. The WS will surpass their season ticket base. Fair enough.
#9 There's no way they can count on Scott Podsednik to be healthy for an entire season again. You go ahead and keep hoping though.
Now that the team is done you play Owens all day every day. Now you can afford to lose games seeing how the team is about as low as KC. You seemed to think that this was a great idea when you had that man crush on yer boy Anderson in 2006. This was the experiment that failed on a team that did not need to have Anderson. They had Rowand and yer boy Kenny let him go and now you want him back? Are the Phils going to let him go for Dye or Jose? According to you these are the guys that are expendable but the Dali Lama that you are tells me here that they would not get anything in return for these players. Pods will come back and be the leadoff hitter that they need. If he sucks you have a utility player that is better than Big Rod go play left field. Even Stoney can figure that one out.
#10
Awwww that is cute. You think of that one on your own or did Mommy help you? Besides- you jumped my train about Ozzie but you have nothing to say about how he threw some dud from AA in the game and was accountable for 5 runs whn he had a well rested closer sitting there picking his ###.
OK humor me with what you "know"....
#1 You instantly resort to name calling and only look like and idiot in doing so.
Ohhh really- maybe you are the town idiot because you called me a windsock long before you started to stalk me in this thread and then followed me around on the Cubs thread.
Now continuing on with #2 through #10
#2 I said if anyone was to blame it was Kenny Williams. The rest of the statement, about the bullpen sucking is pretty much laying blame there. So don't tell me I'm not blaming anyone.
As I was doing the same back in the same time period in which you jumped my ###. Big deal it does not take a brain surgeon to realize that this clown screwed the team and the fans.
#3 A Rod the solution to the WS problems? He's a loser. Has been one everywhere he went. He's the Dan Marino of baseball. If you think for one second that dumping $25+ million per year into A Rod is the road to the promise land, I'm done thinking you look like an idiot. With $25+ million dedicated to one player, the WS would rely heavily on what you called a "gutted" minor league system to field the rest of the major league team outside of those already under contract. That means the entire OF, 3B (if AROD plays SS), 2B (Iguchi a FA at the end of the year) and the majority of the bullpen will be products of the "gutted" minor league system with the occasional journeyman mixed in.
A-rod is a loser? The stats sure point in that direction. Get a mitt and get in the game honey. A-Rod at SS. Crede or Josh Fields at 3rd. Paulie at 1st base and Iguchi at 2nd base. You think Iguchi has the leverage to break the bank after the last two seasons? Wake up and smell the roses. If you think that Owens, Pods, Iguchi, Thome, A-rod. Paulie cannot do any better than the team low BA in MLB then you need to get into bowling.
#4 Joe Crede is not coming back unless it's for a huge home team discount. Josh Fields in the future at 3rd base and the future is now. They will not bury money into him with that back, surgically repaired or not.
That is right. If Crede comes back he has no leverage. So what you are saying genius is that Crede is done? Not only are you a genius but you are a medical professional? Either way- the Sox will be more than happy with A-rod on the left side with either player and they save a lot of $$$$$$ at third base as well as second.
#5 Steve Stone is still a blowhard. I can't see anything that he's done in the last 2 months that would make me thing anything different. He's still a radio / broadcast booth personality = blowhard. Nothing more, nothing less.
Make you “thing” anything less? Stay hot junior. SS is one of the most respected baseball voices and minds in the game. His acumen includes not only a solid baseball career playing for some of the most successful baseball minds in the game- but he was instrumental in pulling the Cubs out of the toilet as half the broadcast team that put WGN and the Cubs on the map. Kenny Williams is a hack and a tool. He gutted this team and the farm system and sent Frank Thomas packing like he was Joe Borchard. SS is a Chicago guy that is well respected and will be a great change of pace. Besides- who do you have? No one and nothing but comments that hold no water.
#6 Kenny Williams has gutted the farm system? What in the hell are you talking about? What moves has he made to make you think this? Restocking it with Gio Gonzalez (6-4 with 115Ks in 95IP) and taking a chance on Gavin Floyd for Freddy G who pitched a whole 58 innings this year? Getting John Danks and Nick Masset for one of the most over-rated young players in baseball in Brandon McCarthy? If KW has "gutted" the farm system, where's all the major league talent on other rosters? Its not there. Outside of Chris Young, there's not a person that KW has moved with a chance in hell to be an impact palyer in the bigs, and I'd take Javy Vazquez for Chris Young every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If the minor league system has been gutted at all, its because the "talent" there has shown it's true colors and just isn't that good. Yes, KW is to blame for that too, but he didn't gut it by trading the players, he got them to the bigs and let them prove their worth and right now the jury is still out big time on all of them.
“The talent there has shown it’s true colors and just isn’t that good’. Great job defending your position. All you did was prove that Kenny Williams gutted the farm system. All GMs get talent to prove what they can do in the majors. No one is proving me anything positive. Take a look at that bullpen and sell me a different tale instead of proving to me what we already know.
#7 It doesn't take a genius to know Dye and Contreras are your tradables, so no bonus points for you. If you think we're going to get major league ready bullpen arms for these guys, we're back to assessing the idiot part of #1.
No one is debating the merits of who is on the block. Scouts left and right are all over Dye and Jose. Both players were solid last year at times and in the case of Dye all of 2006. Players just do not lose talent over a winter. They lose desire. You put either guy on a contender and they could make a huge difference and they will.
#8 Jerry Owens isn't the answer in CF. My guess is that Aaron Rowand will be the CF for the White Sox again next year. Its the best baseball and marketing move the team can make.
No- A-Rod is the best player marketing move the team can make. You sign the best free agent in the league and he will hit over .300, 45 HRs and 120 plus RBIs easily in that ball park if he is healthy but the guy calling me an idiot is telling me that A-rod is a LOSER. The WS will surpass their season ticket base. Fair enough.
#9 There's no way they can count on Scott Podsednik to be healthy for an entire season again. You go ahead and keep hoping though.
Now that the team is done you play Owens all day every day. Now you can afford to lose games seeing how the team is about as low as KC. You seemed to think that this was a great idea when you had that man crush on yer boy Anderson in 2006. This was the experiment that failed on a team that did not need to have Anderson. They had Rowand and yer boy Kenny let him go and now you want him back? Are the Phils going to let him go for Dye or Jose? According to you these are the guys that are expendable but the Dali Lama that you are tells me here that they would not get anything in return for these players. Pods will come back and be the leadoff hitter that they need. If he sucks you have a utility player that is better than Big Rod go play left field. Even Stoney can figure that one out.
#10
Awwww that is cute. You think of that one on your own or did Mommy help you? Besides- you jumped my train about Ozzie but you have nothing to say about how he threw some dud from AA in the game and was accountable for 5 runs whn he had a well rested closer sitting there picking his ###.
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Why do you keep calling Kenny "boy"? Are you a racist?
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Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen. Just one, that's all I ask. Getting rid of Politte and Cotts, were those bad moves? How about a 103 year old El Duque and Chris Young for a guy that eats up 200+ innings every year in Javy V? He got Freddy G for Miguel Olivio and Jeremy Reed. I'm sure the Mariners wouldn't want to take that one back. How about the aforementioned Freddy G to Philly or Brandon McCarthy to Texas deals? If anyone is the clown its you.
Only idiots think stats = championships. Arod's 12 full seasons have netted 0 League Championships and World Series Championships. 3, going on 4, of those years are with the highest paid team in baseball. He's ring-#######-less. He's not a winner, that's for sure. And lets look back at the last big free agent splash the White Sox made. That Albert Belle move was great for everyone involved, wasn't it?
He plain and simply is not. He's a puppet that the fans, like yourself, likes. That's why you hear him on The Score, that's why you see him in the broadcast booth with ESPN. If he was sooooooooo respected in baseball circles, he would have had an executive job 2 decades ago. God knows, he's let everyone know his intentions of getting one.
How else do you think I should defend my position? Gutting the farm system (your words, not mine) means trading away prospects for major league players. Name me one person from the farm system, that KW has traded, that will be an above average major league ball player. Like I said before, Chris Young is the only one with the potential to fill that spot and I'll take a proven arm over a run-of-the-mill OF anyday. In other words THE GUTTING HAS NOT HAPPENED. He still has Owens, Fields, Gonzalez, Sweeney and others on the White Sox or in the pipeline.
As I showed above, he's not a winner. Since he's not a winner, then he must be something else and everyone that doesn't win loses. I also said that signing Rowand would be the best baseball and marketing move they could make. It was a combination of the two. Not one or the other.
Mr Baseball, please go look up Aaron Rowands contract status for next year. They don't need to give up anything but $ for a FA.Go ahead and keep responding. I'll just keep owning.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'm guessing Power Monster listens to a little too much Mike North
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Maybe I do but maybe I just look at the record, read the papers, listen to what others are saying and I see that this is a mess. Maybe you are too young to remember when the Bears won it all in 85 and then won nothing else with the same group of talent. I have never seen such a free fall with the Sox but you seem to have a big woodie to pump me because I called them out. They suck and they will suck for quite some time. Get over it.....
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Why do you keep calling Kenny "boy"? Are you a racist?
Yes Kenny "boy" equates to racism. Playing the race card here is cheap and it really defines your attention span.
Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
This bullpen is the reason that the Sox are where they are at. You know it all so tell me the swing from last year to this year in terms of wins. Ohhhh boy.... this is sad.....
Only idiots think stats = championships. Arod's 12 full seasons have netted 0 League Championships and World Series Championships. 3, going on 4, of those years are with the highest paid team in baseball. He's ring-#######-less. He's not a winner, that's for sure. And lets look back at the last big free agent splash the White Sox made. That Albert Belle move was great for everyone involved, wasn't it?
Comparing A-Rod to Albert Belle is bush league. Not even close. Keep telling me about losers that never won a ring. You give Sox fans a bad name. One championship. Uribe won a championship so let's start erecting that Hall of Fame wing for him. When A-rod is done he is going straight to the HOF and will be the wealthiest player in th history of MLB to boot. How many Sox players from the 2005 team will lay that claim? How long did he play for the Yankees? Tell me that that organization is loaded with losers. Were you ten years old when he was on that Seattle team? Telling me that A-Rod is a loser is just proof that I am wasting my time with some HS kid.
He plain and simply is not. He's a puppet that the fans, like yourself, likes. That's why you hear him on The Score, that's why you see him in the broadcast booth with ESPN. If he was sooooooooo respected in baseball circles, he would have had an executive job 2 decades ago. God knows, he's let everyone know his intentions of getting one.
Yeah he is such a blowhard that he is all over ESPN and all over Chicago and Arizona. Better to put a blow hard up on ESPN than a man that knows a little something about baseball. I would take Charlie the peanut vendor in left field over Kenny boy any day of the week. Ohhhh and for the record- Charlie is a wonderful African American man. I think I will just turn Stoney on in about an hour!
How else do you think I should defend my position? Gutting the farm system (your words, not mine) means trading away prospects for major league players. Name me one person from the farm system, that KW has traded, that will be an above average major league ball player. Like I said before, Chris Young is the only one with the potential to fill that spot and I'll take a proven arm over a run-of-the-mill OF anyday. In other words THE GUTTING HAS NOT HAPPENED. He still has Owens, Fields, Gonzalez, Sweeney and others on the White Sox or in the pipeline.
"The talent there has shown it’s true colors and just isn’t that good".
He gutted the system and by the way I think that I would rather have El Duque in the bull pen. He can throw strikes still. A lot more than I can say about the bums that we have.
As I showed above, he's not a winner. Since he's not a winner, then he must be something else and everyone that doesn't win loses. I also said that signing Rowand would be the best baseball and marketing move they could make. It was a combination of the two. Not one or the other.
Yup A-Rod is not a winner. In a team sport like baseball you have to do it all besides hit over .300, hit 45 plus homers and drive in 120 plus runs. Maybe he can pitch as well? You are looking silly telling me that A-Rod is a loser.
Mr Baseball, please go look up Aaron Rowands contract status for next year. They don't need to give up anything but $ for a FA.
Yes I am glad that you have gotten wise and have the respect to call me Mr. Baseball. Reports have indicated that the Sox want to get Rowand and other prospects this year. You can have Rowand. Good player but if you are telling me that Rowand is a better option than A-Rod because A-rod is a loser. Well I guess you did own me.....
Yes Kenny "boy" equates to racism. Playing the race card here is cheap and it really defines your attention span.
Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
This bullpen is the reason that the Sox are where they are at. You know it all so tell me the swing from last year to this year in terms of wins. Ohhhh boy.... this is sad.....
Only idiots think stats = championships. Arod's 12 full seasons have netted 0 League Championships and World Series Championships. 3, going on 4, of those years are with the highest paid team in baseball. He's ring-#######-less. He's not a winner, that's for sure. And lets look back at the last big free agent splash the White Sox made. That Albert Belle move was great for everyone involved, wasn't it?
Comparing A-Rod to Albert Belle is bush league. Not even close. Keep telling me about losers that never won a ring. You give Sox fans a bad name. One championship. Uribe won a championship so let's start erecting that Hall of Fame wing for him. When A-rod is done he is going straight to the HOF and will be the wealthiest player in th history of MLB to boot. How many Sox players from the 2005 team will lay that claim? How long did he play for the Yankees? Tell me that that organization is loaded with losers. Were you ten years old when he was on that Seattle team? Telling me that A-Rod is a loser is just proof that I am wasting my time with some HS kid.
He plain and simply is not. He's a puppet that the fans, like yourself, likes. That's why you hear him on The Score, that's why you see him in the broadcast booth with ESPN. If he was sooooooooo respected in baseball circles, he would have had an executive job 2 decades ago. God knows, he's let everyone know his intentions of getting one.
Yeah he is such a blowhard that he is all over ESPN and all over Chicago and Arizona. Better to put a blow hard up on ESPN than a man that knows a little something about baseball. I would take Charlie the peanut vendor in left field over Kenny boy any day of the week. Ohhhh and for the record- Charlie is a wonderful African American man. I think I will just turn Stoney on in about an hour!
How else do you think I should defend my position? Gutting the farm system (your words, not mine) means trading away prospects for major league players. Name me one person from the farm system, that KW has traded, that will be an above average major league ball player. Like I said before, Chris Young is the only one with the potential to fill that spot and I'll take a proven arm over a run-of-the-mill OF anyday. In other words THE GUTTING HAS NOT HAPPENED. He still has Owens, Fields, Gonzalez, Sweeney and others on the White Sox or in the pipeline.
"The talent there has shown it’s true colors and just isn’t that good".
He gutted the system and by the way I think that I would rather have El Duque in the bull pen. He can throw strikes still. A lot more than I can say about the bums that we have.
As I showed above, he's not a winner. Since he's not a winner, then he must be something else and everyone that doesn't win loses. I also said that signing Rowand would be the best baseball and marketing move they could make. It was a combination of the two. Not one or the other.
Yup A-Rod is not a winner. In a team sport like baseball you have to do it all besides hit over .300, hit 45 plus homers and drive in 120 plus runs. Maybe he can pitch as well? You are looking silly telling me that A-Rod is a loser.
Mr Baseball, please go look up Aaron Rowands contract status for next year. They don't need to give up anything but $ for a FA.
Yes I am glad that you have gotten wise and have the respect to call me Mr. Baseball. Reports have indicated that the Sox want to get Rowand and other prospects this year. You can have Rowand. Good player but if you are telling me that Rowand is a better option than A-Rod because A-rod is a loser. Well I guess you did own me.....
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Nice job Sux. 
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Shhhh, you're going to jinx the bullpenNice job Sux.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Yeah when I posted that it was 11-2.Shhhh, you're going to jinx the bullpenNice job Sux.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
Chris Young just hit his 14th HR for the Diamondbacks....
Nick Masset- the guy you have a crush on has a 7.09 era
Yer boy A-Rod the loser just hit his 32nd HR, has 89 RBI and is hitting .310. Wow he is sucha loser
Ohhh and all those KC trades that Kenny Boy made- well Bukvich looked solid last night. Sisco really strikes fear into hitters.
Thorton is a real stud- great line last night.
I can see that Owens is not going to work out in center field.
Ohhhh boy what about just sending Frank Thomas packing? That was a great move.....
That man love you have for Rowand--- I can see that the rest of the MLB team are just going to let the WS take him after the season. No one else needs a center fielder so we can get him as a free agent
David Aardsma- he sure does tear it up on the road. Is he still wrapping weiners down in Birmingham?
Cintron is a beast as well. Is he still stocking the Gatorade cooler?
But A-Rod- what a loser he is. Best one that I ever heard. You hang out in the shark pool? We need some chum over there......
Chris Young just hit his 14th HR for the Diamondbacks....
Nick Masset- the guy you have a crush on has a 7.09 era
Yer boy A-Rod the loser just hit his 32nd HR, has 89 RBI and is hitting .310. Wow he is sucha loser
Ohhh and all those KC trades that Kenny Boy made- well Bukvich looked solid last night. Sisco really strikes fear into hitters.
Thorton is a real stud- great line last night.
I can see that Owens is not going to work out in center field.
Ohhhh boy what about just sending Frank Thomas packing? That was a great move.....
That man love you have for Rowand--- I can see that the rest of the MLB team are just going to let the WS take him after the season. No one else needs a center fielder so we can get him as a free agent
David Aardsma- he sure does tear it up on the road. Is he still wrapping weiners down in Birmingham?
Cintron is a beast as well. Is he still stocking the Gatorade cooler?
But A-Rod- what a loser he is. Best one that I ever heard. You hang out in the shark pool? We need some chum over there......
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
I know that Owens has the potential to be a solid MLB player. He has the tools- leadoff hitter, speed, decent defensive player that can cover a lot of field. He can be pesky on the bases and if the likes of Pods can come back this can be a potent one/two in the lineup.
Young might have been the better prospect but it is too early to tell. One thing is certain- he has power and he has found a way to be on the active roster for a team that is clearly one of the top 5 teams in the AL.....
Young might have been the better prospect but it is too early to tell. One thing is certain- he has power and he has found a way to be on the active roster for a team that is clearly one of the top 5 teams in the AL.....
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I love how you bring up 53 instances of the bullpen pitchers being bad moves when that's what I said all along. If you look closely, you'll see you even started off your posting with my quote about it.Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
Chris Young just hit his 14th HR for the Diamondbacks....
Again, I'll take Vazquez who eats 200 innings per. Good deal for the WS
Nick Masset- the guy you have a crush on has a 7.09 era
A crush? I never said anything more than they got him for Brandon McCarthy......and speaking of, what's Brandon McCarthy doing? Also, don't forget Danks is part of that deal too. Good Deal for the WS
Yer boy A-Rod the loser just hit his 32nd HR, has 89 RBI and is hitting .310. Wow he is sucha loser
Did that 32nd HR win the World Series yesterday? ####, I must have missed it. Can't believe I slept through the Summer Classic
Ohhh and all those KC trades that Kenny Boy made- well Bukvich looked solid last night. Sisco really strikes fear into hitters.
I think I just saw the ghost of Ross Gload's career The deal for Sisco was a draw, no one benifited, not a bad move
Thorton is a real stud- great line last night.
How about that Joe Borchard? Deal is a draw, not a bad move Resigning him looks like a bad move. Hey look!!! The blind squirrel caught a whiff of an nut, but I had to hand it to him
I can see that Owens is not going to work out in center field.
What's the average up to now, .230? I think that's a whole 5 points better than Brian Anderson's last year. THE CF PROBLEM IS SOLVED!!!!!. TBD at best, but you go ahead and hang your Jerry Owens hat on one game. And let's not forget who got Jerry Owens into the gutted farm system in the first place
Ohhhh boy what about just sending Frank Thomas packing? That was a great move.....
Sure was. Most selfish player in WS history burned all of his bridges. It was time for him to go. Good move for the WS
That man love you have for Rowand--- I can see that the rest of the MLB team are just going to let the WS take him after the season. No one else needs a center fielder so we can get him as a free agent
I said nothing about just letting him go to the WS. I said that's what I thought they'd sign him during free agency. One you had no idea was upcoming
David Aardsma- he sure does tear it up on the road. Is he still wrapping weiners down in Birmingham?
And Neal Kotts is..............................? draw
Cintron is a beast as well. Is he still stocking the Gatorade cooler?
He's a utility guy, what in the hell do you want? He never would have seen the field as much as he did if it weren't for injuries and machette weilding shortstops. Irrelevant, grabbing at staws now
But A-Rod- what a loser he is. Best one that I ever heard. You hang out in the shark pool? We need some chum over there......
Again, show me what he's won. It will begin and end with individual awards and we all know those = championships. As for the shark pool
In case you missed it, here it is again
Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
So, way to go out on a limb there on Aardsma, Bukvich, Sisco, Thornton, etc. Be careful coming back in.
Sad thing is, I just showed that none of those moves were really bad as the White Sox gave up nothing but nobodies to fill those roster spaces.
See, there's a difference between a bad move and a move that doesn't work out. If KW stands pat after the World Series run, what does his bullpen look like now? It even worse than this. There's not a chance in hell I'm going to crucify a guy for trying to make his team better by dealing. Especially when the pieces he gives up turn out to be nothing that benefits the other team.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
I see nothing but "draw" left and right in yer argument. Trades should be made to improve a team. You fail to see the mess that is the Kenny Williams show. Look at the bottom line- the record. The point here is he busted up the chemistry of this team and all his returns are a "draw" which tells me that the proofs from an opposing argument are being stretched.I love how you bring up 53 instances of the bullpen pitchers being bad moves when that's what I said all along. If you look closely, you'll see you even started off your posting with my quote about it.Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
Chris Young just hit his 14th HR for the Diamondbacks....
Again, I'll take Vazquez who eats 200 innings per. Good deal for the WS
Nick Masset- the guy you have a crush on has a 7.09 era
A crush? I never said anything more than they got him for Brandon McCarthy......and speaking of, what's Brandon McCarthy doing? Also, don't forget Danks is part of that deal too. Good Deal for the WS
Yer boy A-Rod the loser just hit his 32nd HR, has 89 RBI and is hitting .310. Wow he is sucha loser
Did that 32nd HR win the World Series yesterday? ####, I must have missed it. Can't believe I slept through the Summer Classic
Ohhh and all those KC trades that Kenny Boy made- well Bukvich looked solid last night. Sisco really strikes fear into hitters.
I think I just saw the ghost of Ross Gload's career The deal for Sisco was a draw, no one benifited, not a bad move
Thorton is a real stud- great line last night.
How about that Joe Borchard? Deal is a draw, not a bad move Resigning him looks like a bad move. Hey look!!! The blind squirrel caught a whiff of an nut, but I had to hand it to him
I can see that Owens is not going to work out in center field.
What's the average up to now, .230? I think that's a whole 5 points better than Brian Anderson's last year. THE CF PROBLEM IS SOLVED!!!!!. TBD at best, but you go ahead and hang your Jerry Owens hat on one game. And let's not forget who got Jerry Owens into the gutted farm system in the first place
Ohhhh boy what about just sending Frank Thomas packing? That was a great move.....
Sure was. Most selfish player in WS history burned all of his bridges. It was time for him to go. Good move for the WS
That man love you have for Rowand--- I can see that the rest of the MLB team are just going to let the WS take him after the season. No one else needs a center fielder so we can get him as a free agent
I said nothing about just letting him go to the WS. I said that's what I thought they'd sign him during free agency. One you had no idea was upcoming
David Aardsma- he sure does tear it up on the road. Is he still wrapping weiners down in Birmingham?
And Neal Kotts is..............................? draw
Cintron is a beast as well. Is he still stocking the Gatorade cooler?
He's a utility guy, what in the hell do you want? He never would have seen the field as much as he did if it weren't for injuries and machette weilding shortstops. Irrelevant, grabbing at staws now
But A-Rod- what a loser he is. Best one that I ever heard. You hang out in the shark pool? We need some chum over there......
Again, show me what he's won. It will begin and end with individual awards and we all know those = championships. As for the shark pool
In case you missed it, here it is again
Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
So, way to go out on a limb there on Aardsma, Bukvich, Sisco, Thornton, etc. Be careful coming back in.
Sad thing is, I just showed that none of those moves were really bad as the White Sox gave up nothing but nobodies to fill those roster spaces.
See, there's a difference between a bad move and a move that doesn't work out. If KW stands pat after the World Series run, what does his bullpen look like now? It even worse than this. There's not a chance in hell I'm going to crucify a guy for trying to make his team better by dealing. Especially when the pieces he gives up turn out to be nothing that benefits the other team.
His returns on the major league level are a JOKE. Danks and Owens offer the best upside but the parts as a whole point to a 16-game swing in the win column from this time last year.
Going out on a limb with the chumps in that bullpen? Are you kidding me? And then you think that you have balls as big as church bells to challenge me "be careful coming back"? Give me a break. This bullpen has blown at least 20 games and even if it was only 10 games we are looking at a record of 51-40; right in the middle of this thing with the worst BA in the league. If it is 20 games we are looking at being 61-30 with the best record in MLB. I have seen so many blown saves it is a joke. Plus- like last night's game- how many games have we managed to win when they blow a 5 run or better lead IN THE NINTH? But do not go "out on a limb" hammering that bullpen. Yer boy Kenny told all of us that this bullpen was going to be one of the strengths of this team. With the starting pitching being so sound and injuries to many of the starting position players we would be right in this thing. Even Ozzie commented that this is a joke. I forgot to mention Day in there as well but I guess I am going out on a limb with his 10.24 ERA. So you can try to split hairs over all these trades that are a "draw" but the record speaks volumes and the manner in which these losses are mounting are an alarming threshold. How can a bullpen be any worse than this? Seriously? Who cares what happens to the other team. It is what it is- a big shuffling of stiffs but we have the bigger group of stiffs and the record will show this. The manner in which we have lost will show this. The nice thing here is they are all sitting in the bullpen for the White Sox. We must be in a rebuilding phase and Kenny boy has had his chances.
Owens- so what if Kenny boy brought him in. The jury is still out on him but he has hope unlike that hand holding man lust you have for Goldie locks. The sun shines on a mule's can every now and then. Like I said- Pods in left and Owens in center might be a very good team at the top of the lineup which brings me to Pods. What was he doing working out on his own in the first place? That is a GMs responsibility and I will tell you that an adductor injury does not go away without causing issues up and down the kinetic chain. When he is healthy he is a top shelf leadoff hitter. No one comes back from these injuries without a full 6 months of rehab.
Cintron? You just think that a reserve is supposed to suck- TWO YEARS IN A ROW? Look at the reserves on the Cubs- Theriot and DeRosa. You can have Cintron and Uribe (a starter even) and I will take these guys any day all day. Yer honey Kenny boy did nothing to address this. He broke up championship chemistry but he keeps guys like Cintron and Uribe around to make certain the cold cuts on the locker spread are eaten. Uribe was in nothing but trouble but the Sox treated him with more respect than Frank Thomas.
Frank Thomas. Now we have a champ with a ring that is a selfish player. No winning with your proofs. I would have rather of taken my chances with Frank and Rowand than yer man crush Anderson and Thome. Little returns bickering about it now but Mr. "Selfish" has that ring that you put all your stock in and is still very productive with the same numbers as Thome. The only bridge that he burned was with Kenny boy. Still one of the most feared hitters in the game and a 1st time HOFer.
A-Rod. Thanks for the token feast. He still sucks! A loser with the 2007 AL MVP in his hands. You really want to tell me that he would be no good on the Sox? Are you telling me that you would rather have Uribe over A-Rod?
Besides- it is easy to pick apart ideas. What do you have? How would you improve the team? More relievers from KC? Do not sign one free agent unless they have a ring (makes sense for your boy Rowand).
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
hey guys could it be that the team is just sick of listening to Ozzy?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Sure Another possibility is that Ozzie seems resigned to the fate at hand and the players are just following suit. Compared to years past, there really isn't a lot of emotion coming from the guy.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I'm done explaing the obvious to you. It blatantly evident that you just don't get it.I see nothing but "draw" left and right in yer argument. Trades should be made to improve a team. You fail to see the mess that is the Kenny Williams show. Look at the bottom line- the record. The point here is he busted up the chemistry of this team and all his returns are a "draw" which tells me that the proofs from an opposing argument are being stretched.I love how you bring up 53 instances of the bullpen pitchers being bad moves when that's what I said all along. If you look closely, you'll see you even started off your posting with my quote about it.Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
Chris Young just hit his 14th HR for the Diamondbacks....
Again, I'll take Vazquez who eats 200 innings per. Good deal for the WS
Nick Masset- the guy you have a crush on has a 7.09 era
A crush? I never said anything more than they got him for Brandon McCarthy......and speaking of, what's Brandon McCarthy doing? Also, don't forget Danks is part of that deal too. Good Deal for the WS
Yer boy A-Rod the loser just hit his 32nd HR, has 89 RBI and is hitting .310. Wow he is sucha loser
Did that 32nd HR win the World Series yesterday? ####, I must have missed it. Can't believe I slept through the Summer Classic
Ohhh and all those KC trades that Kenny Boy made- well Bukvich looked solid last night. Sisco really strikes fear into hitters.
I think I just saw the ghost of Ross Gload's career The deal for Sisco was a draw, no one benifited, not a bad move
Thorton is a real stud- great line last night.
How about that Joe Borchard? Deal is a draw, not a bad move Resigning him looks like a bad move. Hey look!!! The blind squirrel caught a whiff of an nut, but I had to hand it to him
I can see that Owens is not going to work out in center field.
What's the average up to now, .230? I think that's a whole 5 points better than Brian Anderson's last year. THE CF PROBLEM IS SOLVED!!!!!. TBD at best, but you go ahead and hang your Jerry Owens hat on one game. And let's not forget who got Jerry Owens into the gutted farm system in the first place
Ohhhh boy what about just sending Frank Thomas packing? That was a great move.....
Sure was. Most selfish player in WS history burned all of his bridges. It was time for him to go. Good move for the WS
That man love you have for Rowand--- I can see that the rest of the MLB team are just going to let the WS take him after the season. No one else needs a center fielder so we can get him as a free agent
I said nothing about just letting him go to the WS. I said that's what I thought they'd sign him during free agency. One you had no idea was upcoming
David Aardsma- he sure does tear it up on the road. Is he still wrapping weiners down in Birmingham?
And Neal Kotts is..............................? draw
Cintron is a beast as well. Is he still stocking the Gatorade cooler?
He's a utility guy, what in the hell do you want? He never would have seen the field as much as he did if it weren't for injuries and machette weilding shortstops. Irrelevant, grabbing at staws now
But A-Rod- what a loser he is. Best one that I ever heard. You hang out in the shark pool? We need some chum over there......
Again, show me what he's won. It will begin and end with individual awards and we all know those = championships. As for the shark pool
In case you missed it, here it is again
Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
So, way to go out on a limb there on Aardsma, Bukvich, Sisco, Thornton, etc. Be careful coming back in.
Sad thing is, I just showed that none of those moves were really bad as the White Sox gave up nothing but nobodies to fill those roster spaces.
See, there's a difference between a bad move and a move that doesn't work out. If KW stands pat after the World Series run, what does his bullpen look like now? It even worse than this. There's not a chance in hell I'm going to crucify a guy for trying to make his team better by dealing. Especially when the pieces he gives up turn out to be nothing that benefits the other team.
His returns on the major league level are a JOKE. Danks and Owens offer the best upside but the parts as a whole point to a 16-game swing in the win column from this time last year.
Going out on a limb with the chumps in that bullpen? Are you kidding me? And then you think that you have balls as big as church bells to challenge me "be careful coming back"? Give me a break. This bullpen has blown at least 20 games and even if it was only 10 games we are looking at a record of 51-40; right in the middle of this thing with the worst BA in the league. If it is 20 games we are looking at being 61-30 with the best record in MLB. I have seen so many blown saves it is a joke. Plus- like last night's game- how many games have we managed to win when they blow a 5 run or better lead IN THE NINTH? But do not go "out on a limb" hammering that bullpen. Yer boy Kenny told all of us that this bullpen was going to be one of the strengths of this team. With the starting pitching being so sound and injuries to many of the starting position players we would be right in this thing. Even Ozzie commented that this is a joke. I forgot to mention Day in there as well but I guess I am going out on a limb with his 10.24 ERA. So you can try to split hairs over all these trades that are a "draw" but the record speaks volumes and the manner in which these losses are mounting are an alarming threshold. How can a bullpen be any worse than this? Seriously? Who cares what happens to the other team. It is what it is- a big shuffling of stiffs but we have the bigger group of stiffs and the record will show this. The manner in which we have lost will show this. The nice thing here is they are all sitting in the bullpen for the White Sox. We must be in a rebuilding phase and Kenny boy has had his chances.
Owens- so what if Kenny boy brought him in. The jury is still out on him but he has hope unlike that hand holding man lust you have for Goldie locks. The sun shines on a mule's can every now and then. Like I said- Pods in left and Owens in center might be a very good team at the top of the lineup which brings me to Pods. What was he doing working out on his own in the first place? That is a GMs responsibility and I will tell you that an adductor injury does not go away without causing issues up and down the kinetic chain. When he is healthy he is a top shelf leadoff hitter. No one comes back from these injuries without a full 6 months of rehab.
Cintron? You just think that a reserve is supposed to suck- TWO YEARS IN A ROW? Look at the reserves on the Cubs- Theriot and DeRosa. You can have Cintron and Uribe (a starter even) and I will take these guys any day all day. Yer honey Kenny boy did nothing to address this. He broke up championship chemistry but he keeps guys like Cintron and Uribe around to make certain the cold cuts on the locker spread are eaten. Uribe was in nothing but trouble but the Sox treated him with more respect than Frank Thomas.
Frank Thomas. Now we have a champ with a ring that is a selfish player. No winning with your proofs. I would have rather of taken my chances with Frank and Rowand than yer man crush Anderson and Thome. Little returns bickering about it now but Mr. "Selfish" has that ring that you put all your stock in and is still very productive with the same numbers as Thome. The only bridge that he burned was with Kenny boy. Still one of the most feared hitters in the game and a 1st time HOFer.
A-Rod. Thanks for the token feast. He still sucks! A loser with the 2007 AL MVP in his hands. You really want to tell me that he would be no good on the Sox? Are you telling me that you would rather have Uribe over A-Rod?
Besides- it is easy to pick apart ideas. What do you have? How would you improve the team? More relievers from KC? Do not sign one free agent unless they have a ring (makes sense for your boy Rowand).
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
No you don't get it. Go get yer shoe shine box....I'm done explaing the obvious to you. It blatantly evident that you just don't get it.I see nothing but "draw" left and right in yer argument. Trades should be made to improve a team. You fail to see the mess that is the Kenny Williams show. Look at the bottom line- the record. The point here is he busted up the chemistry of this team and all his returns are a "draw" which tells me that the proofs from an opposing argument are being stretched.I love how you bring up 53 instances of the bullpen pitchers being bad moves when that's what I said all along. If you look closely, you'll see you even started off your posting with my quote about it.Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
Chris Young just hit his 14th HR for the Diamondbacks....
Again, I'll take Vazquez who eats 200 innings per. Good deal for the WS
Nick Masset- the guy you have a crush on has a 7.09 era
A crush? I never said anything more than they got him for Brandon McCarthy......and speaking of, what's Brandon McCarthy doing? Also, don't forget Danks is part of that deal too. Good Deal for the WS
Yer boy A-Rod the loser just hit his 32nd HR, has 89 RBI and is hitting .310. Wow he is sucha loser
Did that 32nd HR win the World Series yesterday? ####, I must have missed it. Can't believe I slept through the Summer Classic
Ohhh and all those KC trades that Kenny Boy made- well Bukvich looked solid last night. Sisco really strikes fear into hitters.
I think I just saw the ghost of Ross Gload's career The deal for Sisco was a draw, no one benifited, not a bad move
Thorton is a real stud- great line last night.
How about that Joe Borchard? Deal is a draw, not a bad move Resigning him looks like a bad move. Hey look!!! The blind squirrel caught a whiff of an nut, but I had to hand it to him
I can see that Owens is not going to work out in center field.
What's the average up to now, .230? I think that's a whole 5 points better than Brian Anderson's last year. THE CF PROBLEM IS SOLVED!!!!!. TBD at best, but you go ahead and hang your Jerry Owens hat on one game. And let's not forget who got Jerry Owens into the gutted farm system in the first place
Ohhhh boy what about just sending Frank Thomas packing? That was a great move.....
Sure was. Most selfish player in WS history burned all of his bridges. It was time for him to go. Good move for the WS
That man love you have for Rowand--- I can see that the rest of the MLB team are just going to let the WS take him after the season. No one else needs a center fielder so we can get him as a free agent
I said nothing about just letting him go to the WS. I said that's what I thought they'd sign him during free agency. One you had no idea was upcoming
David Aardsma- he sure does tear it up on the road. Is he still wrapping weiners down in Birmingham?
And Neal Kotts is..............................? draw
Cintron is a beast as well. Is he still stocking the Gatorade cooler?
He's a utility guy, what in the hell do you want? He never would have seen the field as much as he did if it weren't for injuries and machette weilding shortstops. Irrelevant, grabbing at staws now
But A-Rod- what a loser he is. Best one that I ever heard. You hang out in the shark pool? We need some chum over there......
Again, show me what he's won. It will begin and end with individual awards and we all know those = championships. As for the shark pool
In case you missed it, here it is again
Name me one bad move he's made outside of assembling this bullpen.
So, way to go out on a limb there on Aardsma, Bukvich, Sisco, Thornton, etc. Be careful coming back in.
Sad thing is, I just showed that none of those moves were really bad as the White Sox gave up nothing but nobodies to fill those roster spaces.
See, there's a difference between a bad move and a move that doesn't work out. If KW stands pat after the World Series run, what does his bullpen look like now? It even worse than this. There's not a chance in hell I'm going to crucify a guy for trying to make his team better by dealing. Especially when the pieces he gives up turn out to be nothing that benefits the other team.
His returns on the major league level are a JOKE. Danks and Owens offer the best upside but the parts as a whole point to a 16-game swing in the win column from this time last year.
Going out on a limb with the chumps in that bullpen? Are you kidding me? And then you think that you have balls as big as church bells to challenge me "be careful coming back"? Give me a break. This bullpen has blown at least 20 games and even if it was only 10 games we are looking at a record of 51-40; right in the middle of this thing with the worst BA in the league. If it is 20 games we are looking at being 61-30 with the best record in MLB. I have seen so many blown saves it is a joke. Plus- like last night's game- how many games have we managed to win when they blow a 5 run or better lead IN THE NINTH? But do not go "out on a limb" hammering that bullpen. Yer boy Kenny told all of us that this bullpen was going to be one of the strengths of this team. With the starting pitching being so sound and injuries to many of the starting position players we would be right in this thing. Even Ozzie commented that this is a joke. I forgot to mention Day in there as well but I guess I am going out on a limb with his 10.24 ERA. So you can try to split hairs over all these trades that are a "draw" but the record speaks volumes and the manner in which these losses are mounting are an alarming threshold. How can a bullpen be any worse than this? Seriously? Who cares what happens to the other team. It is what it is- a big shuffling of stiffs but we have the bigger group of stiffs and the record will show this. The manner in which we have lost will show this. The nice thing here is they are all sitting in the bullpen for the White Sox. We must be in a rebuilding phase and Kenny boy has had his chances.
Owens- so what if Kenny boy brought him in. The jury is still out on him but he has hope unlike that hand holding man lust you have for Goldie locks. The sun shines on a mule's can every now and then. Like I said- Pods in left and Owens in center might be a very good team at the top of the lineup which brings me to Pods. What was he doing working out on his own in the first place? That is a GMs responsibility and I will tell you that an adductor injury does not go away without causing issues up and down the kinetic chain. When he is healthy he is a top shelf leadoff hitter. No one comes back from these injuries without a full 6 months of rehab.
Cintron? You just think that a reserve is supposed to suck- TWO YEARS IN A ROW? Look at the reserves on the Cubs- Theriot and DeRosa. You can have Cintron and Uribe (a starter even) and I will take these guys any day all day. Yer honey Kenny boy did nothing to address this. He broke up championship chemistry but he keeps guys like Cintron and Uribe around to make certain the cold cuts on the locker spread are eaten. Uribe was in nothing but trouble but the Sox treated him with more respect than Frank Thomas.
Frank Thomas. Now we have a champ with a ring that is a selfish player. No winning with your proofs. I would have rather of taken my chances with Frank and Rowand than yer man crush Anderson and Thome. Little returns bickering about it now but Mr. "Selfish" has that ring that you put all your stock in and is still very productive with the same numbers as Thome. The only bridge that he burned was with Kenny boy. Still one of the most feared hitters in the game and a 1st time HOFer.
A-Rod. Thanks for the token feast. He still sucks! A loser with the 2007 AL MVP in his hands. You really want to tell me that he would be no good on the Sox? Are you telling me that you would rather have Uribe over A-Rod?
Besides- it is easy to pick apart ideas. What do you have? How would you improve the team? More relievers from KC? Do not sign one free agent unless they have a ring (makes sense for your boy Rowand).
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
And it starts at the top with Kenny Williams. Give Ozzie a bunch of AA bullpen players and you end up being one of the lousiest teams in MLB. From World Champs to this in less than 2 years....Limp Ditka said:
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Footballguy
Get yer shine box?Dumb ###, Batts got whacked, much like you have in this discussion. Now go yank your baseball woody to the other teams in the midwest.Power Monster said:
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
That is quite funny. I ask you to offer some ideas and then you bail after you called me out. Like I said- don't blame me because Williams destroyed the season. No use getting all bent out of shape over a baseball disagreement but it sure is funny watching you foam at the mouth.... 
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Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Of course I'm the one foaming at the mouth.
Capella
Footballguy
he's a bit of a nut. edit: he'll stalk you forever after this. good luck.but it sure is funny watching you foam at the mouth....
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Footballguy
he's a bit of a nut. edit: he'll stalk you forever after this. good luck.but it sure is funny watching you foam at the mouth....
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....ng-some-na.html
Really sounds like a gutted farm system to me.
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