***OFFICIAL WIS XII DRAFT THREAD*** (9 Viewers)

[RnR]

BTW I took Tuck Turner in the 18th.

doh.

 

[Kraft...]

2006 pick = papelbon if he's still there

is this 23.14 that used to belong to Frosty?

 

[RnR]

BTW I took Tuck Turner in the 18th.

doh.

21.21- Ducky Holmes (PH, 1895)

 

[Frostillicus]

2006 pick = papelbon if he's still there

is this 23.14 that used to belong to Frosty?

Yes.And speaking of trades, 1900 is available.

 

[Bogart]

Finally here to catch up....

Picks in a few....

 

[MrPhoenix]

Anyone need a lefty reliever? Al Holland is available for a draft pick.

BUMP as this was toward the bottom of the page.

 

[Bogart]

21.15 - Mickey Rivers - OF - 1973

Some speedy goodness on the bench.

22.10 - Billy Muffett - RP - 1957

yada, yada, small innings, nice numbers, etc, etc

23.15 - Stan Spence - 1B/OF - 1944

Late inning Defensive replacement

 

[texasheat]

1925 Al Simmons, OF is on the Block - Get him While he's hot.

Simmons, Al 1925 Philadelphia Athletics R 742 24 .387 698 .419 .599 6.27 81 $9,769,848 -- -- -- -- -- C/A+

I could use a true clean up hitter, good SS, or C.

 

[Greco]

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I can only speak for myself, but the format of this draft lends itself to confusion and apathy. When picks are being made in advance and a glance at the current page shows picks over a 20 pick range, it makes it really difficult to follow and stay on top of

Half the time determining who is OTC is a bit of a challenge

Also, when you know there is little to no chance of being sniped, you tend to not pay as much attention to the draft itself

Why should I care who someone on the other end of the draft is picking from a 2000 era season when I have an 1920s season 20 picks away

I think this draft has produced some interesting strategies and has been different than what we have done before, but I also think it has caused the above to happen

Just my two cents

 

[Eephus]

I can only speak for myself, but the format of this draft lends itself to confusion and apathy. When picks are being made in advance and a glance at the current page shows picks over a 20 pick range, it makes it really difficult to follow and stay on top ofHalf the time determining who is OTC is a bit of a challengeAlso, when you know there is little to no chance of being sniped, you tend to not pay as much attention to the draft itselfWhy should I care who someone on the other end of the draft is picking from a 2000 era season when I have an 1920s season 20 picks awayI think this draft has produced some interesting strategies and has been different than what we have done before, but I also think it has caused the above to happenJust my two cents

It's round 23: where confusion and apathy happen

 

[Greco]

My teams suck In Any FormatTM

 

[Kraft...]

To busy to track the clock and picks this morning

 

[Doug B]

Here's the skips I show -- some of these may have been rectified:

20 . 5 ( 461 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1953

21 . 20 ( 500 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1894

22 . 7 ( 511 ) Koya : SKIP 1907

23 . 6 ( 534 ) Sammy : SKIP 1899

23 . 20 ( 548 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1914

As for who's actually up? See in red below:

23 . 23 ( 551 ) SpartansRule : 1894

23 . 24 ( 552 ) SCBF : SS Sewell, Joe 1923

24 . 1 ( 553 ) SCBF : RP Brosnan, Jim 1960

24 . 2 ( 554 ) SpartansRule : 1910

24 . 3 ( 555 ) TRE : 3B Traynor, Pie 1927

24 . 4 ( 556 ) LarryBoy : 1895

24 . 5 ( 557 ) Pumpnick : 1920

24 . 6 ( 558 ) HoosFirst : OF Valo, Elmer 1955

24 . 7 ( 559 ) PIK/Pskov : UT Terry, Zeb 1930

24 . 8 ( 560 ) Texasheat : 1941

24 . 9 ( 561 ) Koya : 1911

24 . 10 ( 562 ) Bogart : 1946

24 . 11 ( 563 ) Frostillicus : 1900

24 . 12 ( 564 ) Jfranco : 1926

24 . 13 ( 565 ) AvoidingInjuries : 1912

24 . 14 ( 566 ) DougB : 1980

24 . 15 ( 567 ) MrPhoenix : 1948

24 . 16 ( 568 ) Eephus : 2003

24 . 17 ( 569 ) SNC : 1927

24 . 18 ( 570 ) Greco : 1928

24 . 19 ( 571 ) Sammy : 1960

24 . 20 ( 572 ) ScottNorwood : 1968

...

Spartans and LB don't come in early, IIRC. Larry for sure.

 

[MrPhoenix]

To busy to track the clock and picks this morning

Well, that would have been nice to know before I sent you my predrafts for Rounds 24 and 25.

 

[Kraft...]

To busy to track the clock and picks this morning

Well, that would have been nice to know before I sent you my predrafts for Rounds 24 and 25.

I can handle a list just can't track the clock

 

[Doug B]

FUTURE SIM IDEA: Thought of a way to combine the strategy of "drafting by years" and the strategies present in our old-style straight drafts. No need for dice rolls, even.

Do a regular straight draft, but have each pick lock out not only a player (no clones), but also a year. Each pick would have to declare both year and player (important: can't change the year after the next drafter picks). After four rounds, the "chalkboard is erased" and every year is up for grabs again.

For instance, if 1927 Babe Ruth is pick 1.01, 1927 Lou Gehrig is off limits until the top of the 5th round. But you can still pick 1930 or 1934 Lou Gehrig.

Picking a pitcher shuts out all the batters for that season until the current four rounds is over. If 2004 Randy Johnson were pick 1.01, anyone wanting Barry Bonds afterward would have to take his second-best (or worse) season. Same is true in reverse -- take 2000 Todd Helton early, and shut out Pedro Martinez' best season for four rounds (someone would soon take 1999 Pedro probably ... unless someone took 1999 Larry Walker or Chipper Jones to block).

The strategy would slowly build up ... the top of the draft wouldn't be too different from a normal draft, except for some strategic early blocking that wouldn't kick in for several picks. At some point, though, elite seasons would be blocked, and people would have to start strategizing and looking for alternatives. Then, you have the top of the fifth to look forward to -- can you wait it out and pounce at pick 5.03 (or better yet, 17.03) for a pressing need?

Draft order would have to be tinkered with for each four-round block. The fourth round in a serpentine would be the reverse of the first, so maybe the 4th/5th (and 8th/9th, etc). would be a break in the serpentine and just repeat the same order. Then flip it back over for the 6th, 10th, etc.

EDIT: could make it a little more challenging by limiting all picks to a 96-year period (wouldn't even have to be consecutive years).

 

[larry_boy_44]

24 . 4 ( 556 ) LarryBoy : 1895

24.4 Mike Griffin, OF 1895

 

[Tremendous Upside]

20 - 5 - Pump - 1953 - - SKIP

21 - 20 - Pump - 1894 - - SKIP

23 - 20 - Pump - 1914 - - SKIP

23 - 23 - Spartans - 1894 - - SKIP

24 - 2 - Spartans - 1910 - - SKIP

24 - 5 - Pump - 1920 - - SKIP

24 - 8 - Texasheast - 1941 - - OTC until 11:36 ET

24 - 9 - Koya - 1911 - - ON DECK

24 - 10 - Bogart - 1946 - - IN THE HOLE

I think this is where we stand

If any of those skipped were picked, please post them

Otherwise, OP updated

 

[Bogart]

20 - 5 - Pump - 1953 - - SKIP

21 - 20 - Pump - 1894 - - SKIP

23 - 20 - Pump - 1914 - - SKIP

23 - 23 - Spartans - 1894 - - SKIP

24 - 2 - Spartans - 1910 - - SKIP

24 - 5 - Pump - 1920 - - SKIP

24 - 8 - Texasheast - 1941 - - OTC until 11:36 ET

24 - 9 - Koya - 1911 - - ON DECK

24 - 10 - Bogart - 1946 - - IN THE HOLE

I think this is where we stand

If any of those skipped were picked, please post them

Otherwise, OP updated

AUTOSKIP for the day. Will make up tonight.Thanks.

 

[Koya]

Here's the skips I show -- some of these may have been rectified:

20 . 5 ( 461 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1953

21 . 20 ( 500 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1894

22 . 7 ( 511 ) Koya : SKIP 1907

23 . 6 ( 534 ) Sammy : SKIP 1899

23 . 20 ( 548 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1914

As for who's actually up? See in red below:

23 . 23 ( 551 ) SpartansRule : 1894

23 . 24 ( 552 ) SCBF : SS Sewell, Joe 1923

24 . 1 ( 553 ) SCBF : RP Brosnan, Jim 1960

24 . 2 ( 554 ) SpartansRule : 1910

24 . 3 ( 555 ) TRE : 3B Traynor, Pie 1927

24 . 4 ( 556 ) LarryBoy : 1895

24 . 5 ( 557 ) Pumpnick : 1920

24 . 6 ( 558 ) HoosFirst : OF Valo, Elmer 1955

24 . 7 ( 559 ) PIK/Pskov : UT Terry, Zeb 1930

24 . 8 ( 560 ) Texasheat : 1941

24 . 9 ( 561 ) Koya : 1911

24 . 10 ( 562 ) Bogart : 1946

24 . 11 ( 563 ) Frostillicus : 1900

24 . 12 ( 564 ) Jfranco : 1926

24 . 13 ( 565 ) AvoidingInjuries : 1912

24 . 14 ( 566 ) DougB : 1980

24 . 15 ( 567 ) MrPhoenix : 1948

24 . 16 ( 568 ) Eephus : 2003

24 . 17 ( 569 ) SNC : 1927

24 . 18 ( 570 ) Greco : 1928

24 . 19 ( 571 ) Sammy : 1960

24 . 20 ( 572 ) ScottNorwood : 1968

...

Spartans and LB don't come in early, IIRC. Larry for sure.

Ok, to add to the confusion - I thought I had 1907 - here it says I was skipped and on the front page, it says that PIK/PSKOV picked then. I also know there were other 1907's nearby. I have no idea who to clarify with or if I should just pick the next guy on my list. Commish?

 

[Koya]

That said, since I am ok deck:

24.9 Jack Lapp, C 1911 - Lefty platoon guy with .353 avg and .435 OBP (the avg+ is 129)

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Here's the skips I show -- some of these may have been rectified:

20 . 5 ( 461 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1953

21 . 20 ( 500 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1894

22 . 7 ( 511 ) Koya : SKIP 1907

23 . 6 ( 534 ) Sammy : SKIP 1899

23 . 20 ( 548 ) Pumpnick : SKIP 1914

As for who's actually up? See in red below:

23 . 23 ( 551 ) SpartansRule : 1894

23 . 24 ( 552 ) SCBF : SS Sewell, Joe 1923

24 . 1 ( 553 ) SCBF : RP Brosnan, Jim 1960

24 . 2 ( 554 ) SpartansRule : 1910

24 . 3 ( 555 ) TRE : 3B Traynor, Pie 1927

24 . 4 ( 556 ) LarryBoy : 1895

24 . 5 ( 557 ) Pumpnick : 1920

24 . 6 ( 558 ) HoosFirst : OF Valo, Elmer 1955

24 . 7 ( 559 ) PIK/Pskov : UT Terry, Zeb 1930

24 . 8 ( 560 ) Texasheat : 1941

24 . 9 ( 561 ) Koya : 1911

24 . 10 ( 562 ) Bogart : 1946

24 . 11 ( 563 ) Frostillicus : 1900

24 . 12 ( 564 ) Jfranco : 1926

24 . 13 ( 565 ) AvoidingInjuries : 1912

24 . 14 ( 566 ) DougB : 1980

24 . 15 ( 567 ) MrPhoenix : 1948

24 . 16 ( 568 ) Eephus : 2003

24 . 17 ( 569 ) SNC : 1927

24 . 18 ( 570 ) Greco : 1928

24 . 19 ( 571 ) Sammy : 1960

24 . 20 ( 572 ) ScottNorwood : 1968

...

Spartans and LB don't come in early, IIRC. Larry for sure.

Ok, to add to the confusion - I thought I had 1907 - here it says I was skipped and on the front page, it says that PIK/PSKOV picked then. I also know there were other 1907's nearby. I have no idea who to clarify with or if I should just pick the next guy on my list. Commish?

give me a couple of minutes to sort this out

 

[Doug B]

Ok, to add to the confusion - I thought I had 1907 - here it says I was skipped and on the front page, it says that PIK/PSKOV picked then. I also know there were other 1907's nearby.

I have no idea who to clarify with or if I should just pick the next guy on my list. Commish?

I was just going to ask what you gave in trade to PIK for the 22.07 pick. I've been tracking as carefully as I can, and I missed that completely if PIK really had 22.07

 

[Tremendous Upside]

21.18 - 1934 - Len Koenecke, OF

22.07 - 1907 - Ed Karger, SP Tully Sparks, SP

23.18 - 1920 - Zeb Terry, 2B/SS

Searched the OP to see if any of the above have been taken, but it doesn't list the more recent picks so I may have accidentally taken someone who is already off the board, in which case I'll repick.

This was the post I took Pik/Pskov's 07 pick fromKoya, can you tell me the trade where you got this pick? Copying the post would be cool also

There have been a ton of trades so far, no doubt I have missed some

 

[Kraft...]

Ok, to add to the confusion - I thought I had 1907 - here it says I was skipped and on the front page, it says that PIK/PSKOV picked then. I also know there were other 1907's nearby.

I have no idea who to clarify with or if I should just pick the next guy on my list. Commish?

I was just going to ask what you gave in trade to PIK for the 22.07 pick. I've been tracking as carefully as I can, and I missed that completely if PIK really had 22.07

I also have no pick made @ 22.07

 

[Eephus]

24 . 8 ( 560 ) Texasheat : 1941 skip

24 . 9 ( 561 ) Koya : Lapp 1911

24 . 10 ( 562 ) Bogart : 1946 skip

24 . 11 ( 563 ) Frostillicus : 1900 OTC to xx06

24 . 12 ( 564 ) Jfranco : 1926

 

[Doug B]

Also, Sammy has to repick at 23.06, because C Ed McFarland was previously taken at 18.09 by Koya (see OP where McFarland appears twice).

 

[Koya]

21.18 - 1934 - Len Koenecke, OF

22.07 - 1907 - Ed Karger, SP Tully Sparks, SP

23.18 - 1920 - Zeb Terry, 2B/SS

Searched the OP to see if any of the above have been taken, but it doesn't list the more recent picks so I may have accidentally taken someone who is already off the board, in which case I'll repick.

This was the post I took Pik/Pskov's 07 pick fromKoya, can you tell me the trade where you got this pick? Copying the post would be cool also

There have been a ton of trades so far, no doubt I have missed some

It was the deal where I sent Davey Johnson and 1950 for 1992 (Cal Eldred) and 1907.Assuming I am correct:

22.07 Carl Lundgren P 1907 - Mop Up guy (unless his 4 walks a game somehow is manageable, then he could rule. Which he wont).

 

[Doug B]

Ok, to add to the confusion - I thought I had 1907 - here it says I was skipped and on the front page, it says that PIK/PSKOV picked then. I also know there were other 1907's nearby.

I have no idea who to clarify with or if I should just pick the next guy on my list. Commish?

I was just going to ask what you gave in trade to PIK for the 22.07 pick. I've been tracking as carefully as I can, and I missed that completely if PIK really had 22.07

I also have no pick made @ 22.07

PIK originally had 22.07 ... but I had that he traded it to Koya at some point. Don't have the tradde details, though.

 

[Pskov1420]

21.18 - 1934 - Len Koenecke, OF

22.07 - 1907 - Ed Karger, SP Tully Sparks, SP

23.18 - 1920 - Zeb Terry, 2B/SS

Searched the OP to see if any of the above have been taken, but it doesn't list the more recent picks so I may have accidentally taken someone who is already off the board, in which case I'll repick.

This was the post I took Pik/Pskov's 07 pick fromKoya, can you tell me the trade where you got this pick? Copying the post would be cool also

There have been a ton of trades so far, no doubt I have missed some

It was the deal where I sent Davey Johnson and 1950 for 1992 (Cal Eldred) and 1907.Assuming I am correct:

22.07 Carl Lundgren P 1907 - Mop Up guy (unless his 4 walks a game somehow is manageable, then he could rule. Which he wont).

Sorry for the confusion, I did trade that 22.07 pick to Koya but forgot to mark it down on the spreadsheet I am tracking our picks on.

 

[Frostillicus]

24.11 PH/OF Topsy Hartsel, 1900

real first name: Tully

 

[Doug B]

That sounds right. It leaves PIK with 25 roster spots (23 already selected):

1 . 18 ( 18 ) PIK/Pskov : OF Mantle, Mickey 1960

2 . 7 ( 31 ) PIK/Pskov : OF Robinson, Frank 1962

3 . 18 ( 66 ) PIK/Pskov : SP Brecheen, Harry 1948

4 . 23 ( 95 ) PIK/Pskov : SP Hunter, Catfish 1974

5 . 18 ( 114 ) PIK/Pskov : 3B McGraw, John 1899

7 . 10 ( 154 ) PIK/Pskov : SP Rixey, Eppa 1916

7 . 18 ( 162 ) PIK/Pskov : C Dickey, Bill 1943

8 . 7 ( 175 ) PIK/Pskov : SP Drysdale, Don 1964

9 . 6 ( 198 ) PIK/Pskov : 1B Collins, Ripper 1934

10 . 15 ( 231 ) PIK/Pskov : C Howard, Elston 1963

10 . 23 ( 239 ) PIK/Pskov : RP Burke, Tim 1987

11 . 10 ( 250 ) PIK/Pskov : OF Brown, Tom 1893

11 . 16 ( 256 ) PIK/Pskov : 2B Johnson, Davey 1973

13 . 17 ( 305 ) PIK/Pskov : OF Murcer, Bobby 1971

14 . 7 ( 319 ) PIK/Pskov : 3B Kell, George 1949

16 . 15 ( 375 ) PIK/Pskov : RP Fowler, Art 1963

17 . 18 ( 402 ) PIK/Pskov : SS Ramirez, Hanley 2008

18 . 7 ( 415 ) PIK/Pskov : 3B Sheffield, Gary 1992

18 . 19 ( 427 ) PIK/Pskov : SP Camnitz, Howie 1909

20 . 7 ( 463 ) PIK/Pskov : RP Saucier, Kevin 1981

20 . 9 ( 465 ) PIK/Pskov : OF DiMaggio, Dom 1950

21 . 18 ( 498 ) PIK/Pskov : OF Koenecke, Len 1934

23 . 18 ( 546 ) PIK/Pskov : UT Terry, Zeb 1920

24 . 7 ( 559 ) PIK/Pskov : 1930

25 . 18 ( 594 ) PIK/Pskov : 1927

 

[Doug B]

Also, Sammy has to repick at 23.06, because C Ed McFarland was previously taken at 18.09 by Koya (see OP where McFarland appears twice).

Bump

 

[Pskov1420]

FUTURE SIM IDEA: Thought of a way to combine the strategy of "drafting by years" and the strategies present in our old-style straight drafts. No need for dice rolls, even.

Do a regular straight draft, but have each pick lock out not only a player (no clones), but also a year. Each pick would have to declare both year and player (important: can't change the year after the next drafter picks). After four rounds, the "chalkboard is erased" and every year is up for grabs again.

Sounds too complicated. I think the next big one should be a blind-bid auction with a fairly restrictive salary cap (say $150m).

 

[Doug B]

FUTURE SIM IDEA: Thought of a way to combine the strategy of "drafting by years" and the strategies present in our old-style straight drafts. No need for dice rolls, even.

Do a regular straight draft, but have each pick lock out not only a player (no clones), but also a year. Each pick would have to declare both year and player (important: can't change the year after the next drafter picks). After four rounds, the "chalkboard is erased" and every year is up for grabs again.

Sounds too complicated. I think the next big one should be a blind-bid auction with a fairly restrictive salary cap (say $150m).

It's much less complicated than our current draft, actually. It's just like tracking clones -- if a player's picked, he's off the board. If a year's picked, it's off the board (for a while).

 

[Pskov1420]

24.07 - Bill Terry, 1B (1930)

Pretty good landing a guy with 1.071 OPS and 747 PAs this late. C+/A+ defence too which is nice.

 

[avoiding injuries]

jfranco- OTC until 12:13pm est

avoiding injuries - ON DECK

DougB - In The Hole

 

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Kraft thanks for making my picks for me the last few days. I will be here for the rest of the draft.

 

[texasheat]

24 . 8 ( 560 ) Texasheat : 1941 - Lloyd Waner and all of his 54 PA

 

[avoiding injuries]

1912- Chief Meyers- C

 

[Eephus]

24 . 14 ( 566 ) DougB : 1980 OTC to xx45

24 . 15 ( 567 ) MrPhoenix : 1948

24 . 16 ( 568 ) Eephus : 2003

24 . 17 ( 569 ) SNC : 1927

24 . 18 ( 570 ) Greco : 1928

 

[Doug B]

24 . 14 ( 566 ) DougB : 1980 OTC to xx45

24 . 15 ( 567 ) MrPhoenix : 1948

24 . 16 ( 568 ) Eephus : 2003

24 . 17 ( 569 ) SNC : 1927

24 . 18 ( 570 ) Greco : 1928

AI just skipped over24 . 9 ( 561 ) Koya : 1911

24 . 10 ( 562 ) Bogart : SKIP 1946

24 . 11 ( 563 ) Frostillicus : 1900

24 . 12 ( 564 ) Jfranco : 1926

And Koya's got a potentially conflicting season with 1912. Am I missing something?

EDIT: found Koya's & Frost's picks ... still have to wait for jfranco. Though my 1980 has no conflict with jfranco's 1926.

 

[avoiding injuries]

24 . 8 ( 560 ) Texasheat : 1941 skip24 . 9 ( 561 ) Koya : Lapp 191124 . 10 ( 562 ) Bogart : 1946 skip24 . 11 ( 563 ) Frostillicus : 1900 OTC to xx0624 . 12 ( 564 ) Jfranco : 1926

I was going off of this post. Didn't dig any deeper.

 

[Doug B]

24 . 8 ( 560 ) Texasheat : 1941 skip

24 . 9 ( 561 ) Koya : Lapp 1911

24 . 10 ( 562 ) Bogart : 1946 skip

24 . 11 ( 563 ) Frostillicus : 1900 OTC to xx06

24 . 12 ( 564 ) Jfranco : 1926

I was going off of this post. Didn't dig any deeper.

I think you were good ... Koya made his 1912 pick, but it was lost in the shuffle.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Yeah, I should be in the clear.

That said, since I am ok deck:

24.9 Jack Lapp, C 1911 - Lefty platoon guy with .353 avg and .435 OBP (the avg+ is 129)

 

[Sammy3469]

just skip my picks my 1899 and 93 pick...

for my 1960 take:

1. Hal Smith

if he's gone I'll pick later/tomorrow

 

[Pskov1420]

1B Ripper Collins 1934 (switch hitter, 1.008 OPS, 701 PA) is available for trade. Would be looking for a good hitting 2B/SS or a top reliever.

 

[Doug B]

Passing on a ton of good bats to go this way, but this guy's a very strong addition to my bullpen:

24 . 14 ( 566 ) DougB : P Richard, J.R. 1980

 

[Kraft...]

24 - 15 - MrPhoenix - 1948 - - Joe Gordon, 2B