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***OFFICIAL WIS XII DRAFT THREAD*** (1 Viewer)

23 - 2 - Kraft - 1944 - - Joe Berry, RP

I triple checked, so I assume he's still out there, pretty awesome RP season at this stage :banned:

 
My roster, for anyone looking to trade me a SS:

OF 1895 Bill Lange R 681 596 10 98 67-32 24-55 47.8 .389 .456 .575 D/A

1B 1993 John Olerud L 679 551 24 107 0-2 65-114 23.0 .363 .473 .599 B/C-

OF 1957 Hank Aaron R 711 647 44 132 1-1 58-57 14.0 .322 .378 .600 B/B+

OF 1982 John Lowenstein L 384 322 24 66 7-6 59-54 13.4 .320 .415 .602 A+/D+

C 1955 Roy Campanella R 553 473 32 107 2-3 41-56 13.9 .318 .395 .583 A-/A-

3B 1960 Eddie Mathews L 706 577 39 124 7-3 113-111 14.1 .277 .397 .551 B/C

2B 1932 Tony Lazzeri R 633 537 15 113 11-11 64-82 34.0 .300 .399 .506 B/B+

OF 1925 Ben Paschal R 290 260 12 56 14-9 29-22 20.6 .360 .417 .611 D/D

C/1B 1977 Cliff Johnson R 339 286 22 54 0-2 53-43 13.0 .297 .407 .584 D/D-

OF 1959 Vada Pinson L 743 682 20 84 21-6 98-55 32.4 .316 .371 .509 B+/A

OF 1895 Jake Stenzel R 722 631 7 97 53-31 25-57 73.4 .374 .447 .539 D-/B

1B 1893 Dan Brouthers L 431 357 2 59 9-13 10-52 141.0 .337 .450 .511 C-/B-

SP 1908 Frank Smith R 16-17-1 318 2.03 .203 0.96 3.90 2.21 0.06 129-73 $13,237,638

SP 1915 Fred Toney R 17-6-2 235 1.58 .207 1.05 4.37 2.95 0.04 108-73 $8,965,624

SP 1914 Ernie Shore R 10-5-1 148 2.00 .204 0.98 3.29 2.19 0.06 51-34 $5,791,163

SP 1931 Lefty Grove L 31-4-5 308 2.06 .229 1.08 5.46 1.93 0.31 175-62 $11,131,107

SP 1974 Gaylord Perry R 21-13-0 323 2.51 .204 1.02 6.03 2.76 0.70 216-99 $11,807,363

RP 1963 Bobby Tiefenauer R 1-1-2 30 1.21 .194 0.81 6.68 1.21 0.30 22-4 $1,391,695

RP 1974 Dale Murray R 1-1-10 71 1.03 .187 0.99 4.01 2.97 0.13 31-23 $2,929,163

RP 1975 Al Hrabosky L 13-3-22 98 1.66 .205 1.08 7.58 3.05 0.28 82-33 $3,807,204

 
I have some solid Righty relievers I'd like to deal for a Lefty Reliever if anyones interested, Rube Foster could also be included in a multi player deal :goodposting:

 
20 - 5 - Pump - 1953 - - Skip

21 - 15 - Bogart - 1973 - - Skip

21 - 18 - PIK/Pskov - 1934 - - Skip

21 - 20 - Pump - 1894 - - Skip

21 - 21 - RNR - 1895 - - Skip

21 - 23 - Spartans - 1931 - - Skip

22 - 2 - Spartans - 1898 - - Skip

22 - 4 - RNR - 1986 - - Skip

22 - 7 - PIK/Pskov - 1907 - - Skip

22 - 10 - Bogart - 1957 - - Skip

23 - 6 - Sammy - 1899 - - OTC (Clock up @ 4:37 EST)

23 - 7 - Greco - 1897 - -

23 - 8 - SNC - 2008 - -

23 - 9 - Eephus - 1893 - -

23 - 10 - MrPhoenix - 1953 - -

23 - 11 - DougB - 2005 - -

23 - 12 - Avoiding Injuries - 1968 - -

23 - 13 - JFranco - 1968 - -

23 - 14 - Sammy - 2006 - -

23 - 15 - Bogart - 1944 - -

23 - 16 - Koya - 1919 - -

23 - 17 - Texasheast - 1963 - -

23 - 18 - PIK/Pskov - 1920 - -

23 - 19 - Hoos - 1959 - -

23 - 20 - Pump - 1914 - -

23 - 21 - RNR - 1961 - -

23 - 22 - TRE - 2007 - -

23 - 23 - Spartans - 1894 - -

23 - 24 - SCBF - 1923 - -

 
I guess I should go ahead and do this:

21.23 Billy Rogell 1931, 222 glorious SS PA

I still want to trade for a SS, but this guy can be my utility man and maybe part of a platoon.

 
Spartans> I suppose I could give you my 25th round 1965 season so you can draft a SS...not elite guys there though. However, I'd need to get a pitcher that would be comparable to what I can get in '65 already. Preferable if the pitcher is a lefty.

 
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players taken:

C Yogi Berra, campanella, Piazza, Hartnett, Smoky Burgess, Mickey Cochrane, earl Smith, Joe Torre, Joe Mauer, Jack Clements, Bill Dickey, Ted Simmons, Roger Bresnahan, Johnny Bench, Chris Hoiles, Don Padgett, Elston Howard, Carlton Fisk, Bill Delancey, Bill Freehan, Mickey Tettleton, Lew McCarty, Bubbles Hargrave, clyde kluttz, Shanty Hogan, Les Moss, Pat Collins, Gary Carter, Tim McCarver, Wally Schang, Spud Davis, Fred Tenney, Sherm Lollar, Bill Merritt, Ed McFarland, Ivan Rodriguez, Buck Ewing, Lave Cross, Ken O'Dea, Rudy York, Frank Snyder, Johnny Edwards, Darrell Porter, Babe Phelps, Steve O'Neill, Mike Gradey, Ed Bailey, Stan Lopata

1B Sisler, Foxx, Norm Cash, Gehrig, Tito Francona, Hank Greenberg, Pujols, Todd Helton, Frank Thomas, Mark McGwire, Johnny Mize, Ted Kluszewski, Dolph Camilli, Dan Brouthers, Jack Clark, Ripper Collins, Ryan Howard, Lance Berkman, Ray Grimes, Jack Fournier, Derrek Lee, Pedro Guererro, Jeff Bagwell, Jim Gentile, Jim Bottomley, Willie McCovey, Boog Powell. Jim Thome, Will Clark, Eddie Murray, Hal Trosky, Cecil Fielder, John Olerud, Ed Morgan, Carlos Delgado, Dan McGann, Gil Hodges

2B Hornsby, Nap Lajoie, Childs, Snuffy Stirnweiss, Doerr, Gehringer, Joe Morgan, Pete Runnels, Eddie Collins, Frankie Frisch, Ryne Sandberg, Nellie Fox, Buddy Myer, Jackie Robinson, Eddie Stanky, Rod Carew, Tony Lazzeri, Billy Herman, Davey Johnson, Jim Gilliam, Craig Biggio, Chase Utley, Bobby Grich, Gil McDougald, Placido Polanco, Bobby Avila

3B Eddie Mathews, George Davis, Schmidt, Ken Boyer, Boggs, Santo, John McGraw, George Brett, Jimmy Williams, Adrian Beltre, **** Allen, Al Rosen, Bill Joyce, Whitey Kurowski, George Kell, Heinie Groh, Chipper Jones, Johnny Pesky, Woody English, Ken Keltner, ray Boone, Harlond Clift, Brooks Robinson, Gary Sheffield, Stan Hack, Fred Lindstrom, Matt Williams, Frank Baker, Doug DeCinces, Edgar Martinez, Bobby Bonilla

SS Ernie Banks, Hughie Jennings, Nomar, Yount, A-Rod, Ripken, Honus Wagner, Boudreau, Arky Vaughan, Bill Dahlen, Appling, Rico Petrocelli, Toby Harrah, Alan Trammell, Joe Cronin, Dave Bancroft, Charlie Hollocher, Barry Larkin, Eddie Joost, Vern Stephens, Michael Young, Hanley Ramirez, Cecil Travis, Jose Oquendo, Travis Jackson, Pee Wee Reese, Alvin Dark, Buck Weaver, **** Bartell, Dickie thon, Billy Rogell

OF Stan Musial, Ted Williams, Hugh Duffy, Ed Delahanty, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Barry Bonds, Tommy Holmes, Aaron, Frank Robinson, Kiner, Yaz, Heilmann, Duke Snider, Roy Sievers, Ty Cobb, Speaker, Sam Thompson, Goslin, Joe Kelley, Joe Dimaggio, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Al Simmons, Bill Lange, Ken Williams, Paul waner, Baby Doll Jacobson, Fred Lynn, Mel Ott, Lefty O'Doul, **** Wakefield, Heinie Manush, Elmer Smith, Johnny Mostil, George Stone, Al Kaline, Chuck Klein, Albert Belle, RIchie Ashburn, Harry Rice, Zach Wheat, Jesse Burkett, Wee Willie Keeler, Tony Gwynn, George Foster, Joe Medwick, Fred Clarke, Larry Doby, Ken Griffey Jr, Ross Youngs, Gavvy Cravath, Rocky Colavito, Earl Averill, Gene Woodling, Mike Donlin, Hack Wilson, Dale Murphy, Vlad Guerrero, Edd Roush, Elmer Flick , Phil Cavarretta, Manny Ramirez, Willie Stargell, Tom Brown, Bobby Thomson, Roy Thomas, Jake Stenzel, John Lowenstein, Cy Seymour, Joe Vosmik, Max Carey, Roger Maris, Jeff Heath, Bobby Veach, Minnie Minoso, Larry Walker, Bobby Murcer, Rickey Henderson, Sammy Sosa, Jim Rice, Tony Oliva, Jim Edmonds, Enos Slaughter, Pete Browning, Kevin Mitchell, Willie McGee, Kirby Puckett, Babe Herman, Charlie Keller, Andy Pafko, Vada Pinson, Chick Stahl, Pete Reiser, Vic Wertz, Kiki Cuyler, Mike Tiernan, Ben Paschal, Al Wingo, Jim Wynn, Rico Carty, Eric Davis, Tim Raines, Dom Dimaggio, Sam Crawford, Wally Moses, Sherry Magee, Paul O'Neill, Wally Judnich, Kenny Lofton, Chick Hafey, Andy Van Slyke, Wes Covington, Kip Selbach, Wally Westlake

Bench: Bob Hazle, Fred Nicholson, Cliff Johnson, Buck Freeman, Duke Farrell, Tuck Turner, Billy Goodman, Shane Spencer, Jack Doyle, Sid Gordon

SP Pedro, Mathewson, Koufax, W Johnson, Mike Scott, Kid Nichols, Seaver, Don Sutton, Babe Adams, Dutch Leonard, Clemens, Bunning, Spahn, Marichal, Johan Santana, Dean Chance, JAck Taylor, Alexander, Brecheen, Waddell, Cicotte, Randy Johnson, Steve Carlton, Ed Walsh, Joss, Sam McDowell, Newhouser, Catfish Hunter, Robin Roberts, Mordecai Brown, Dazzy Vance, Guidry, Cy Young, Russ Ford, Pink Hawley, George McQuillan, Lefty Grove, Spud Chandler, Warren Hacker, Kevin Brown, Dolf Luque, Joe Wood, Luis Tiant, Sadie McMahon, Stan Coveleski, Ed Reulbach, Chief Bender, Eppa Rixey, Jack Coombs, Deacon Phillippe, Art Ditmar, Gaylord Perry, Hank Aguirre, Don Drysdale, Dizzy Dean, Dave McNally, Mort Cooper, Jim Hearn, Bill Singer, Billy Pierce, Earl Moore, Jeff Tesreau, Fernando Valenzuela, **** Ellsworth, Ray Caldwell, Reb Russell, Frank Smith, Mario soto, Hideo Nomo, Vida Blue, Turk Farrell, Elmer Steele, Jack Pfiester, Tiny Bonham, Jack Stivetts, Jack Chesbro, Dwight Gooden, Orval Overall, Garland Braxton, Bret Saberhagen, Bob Feller, Doc White, Sam Leever, Carl Hubbell, Jake Weimer, Scott Garrelts, Van Mungo, Joe Horlen, Jim Palmer, Nolan Ryan, John Tudor, Art Nehf, Bugs Raymond, Mike Garcia, Gary Peters, Mike Cuellar, Bob Lemon, Teddy Higuera, Harry Krause, Virgil Trucks, Ernie Shore, **** Donovan, Jason Schmidt, Derek Lowe, Bill Bernhard, Noodles Hahn, **** hughes, Amos Rusie, Curt Schilling, Joe McGinnity, Wilcy Moore, Frank Owen, Al Orth, Denny McLain, Roger Wolff, Vic Willis, Howie Camnitz, Kevin Millwood, Frank Kitson, Tex Hughson, Roger Nelson, Cal Eldred, Cy Morgan, Fred Toney, Mike Norris, George Winter, Chick Robitaille, Mike Caldwell, Rube Foster, Monty Stratton, Whit Wyatt, Pascual Perez, Eric Show, Ed Karger, Whitey Ford, Jim Scott, Johnny Podres, Don Newcombe

RP Lindy McDaniel, Joe Nathan, Ferdie Schupp, Mo Rivera, Tom niedenfuer, Bruce Sutter, Johnny Miljus, Bill Henry, Bryan Harvey, Art Ditmar, Rod Beck, Rich Gossage, Billy Wagner, Fred Anderson, Billy O'Dell, elias sosa, Willard Schmidt, Tim Burke, Robb Nen, Marius Russo, Stu Miller, Octavio Dotel, dennis Eckersley, Trevor Hoffman, Tom House, Tim Stoddard, Charlie Smith, Bobby Shantz, Nick Maddox, Dan Quisenberry, John Hiller, Bobby Tiefenauer, Rollie Fingers, Eric Gagne, Jim Konstanty, Steve Howe, Mark Eichhorn, Joe Benz, Hoyt Wilhelm, Jeff Montgomery, Bill Dailey, Rob Murphy, Todd Frohwirth, Marv Goodwin, Willie Hernandez, Art Fowler, Jim Brewer, John Smoltz, Reggie Grabowski, roberto hernandez, Gene Garber, Armando Benitez, Dale Murray, Joe Black, BJ Ryan, Wilcy Moore, Ron Reed, Rheal Cormier, Ken Sanders, Joe Sambito, Troy Percival, Al Holland, Pedro Dibut, Don MOssi, George Dumont, Rafael Soriano, Kevin Saucier, Al Hrabosky, Kent Tekulve, Tug McGraw, Mike O'Neill, Red Shea, Eddie Fisher, Jim Umbricht, Willie Ramsdell, John Wetteland, Rob Dibble, Andy Rincon, Dave Smith, Jake Northrop, Hal Haid, Joe Berry

through Rogell

 
20 - 5 - Pump - 1953 - - Skip

21 - 15 - Bogart - 1973 - - Skip

21 - 18 - PIK/Pskov - 1934 - - Skip

21 - 20 - Pump - 1894 - - Skip

21 - 21 - RNR - 1895 - - Skip

22 - 2 - Spartans - 1898 - - Skip

22 - 4 - RNR - 1986 - - Skip

22 - 7 - PIK/Pskov - 1907 - - Skip

22 - 10 - Bogart - 1957 - - Skip

23 - 6 - Sammy - 1899 - - Skip

23 - 10 - MrPhoenix - 1953 - - OTC (Clock up @ 5:18 EST)

23 - 11 - DougB - 2005 - -

23 - 12 - Avoiding Injuries - 1968 - -

23 - 13 - JFranco - 1968 - -

23 - 14 - Sammy - 2006 - -

23 - 15 - Bogart - 1944 - -

23 - 16 - Koya - 1919 - -

23 - 17 - Texasheast - 1963 - -

23 - 18 - PIK/Pskov - 1920 - -

23 - 19 - Hoos - 1959 - -

23 - 20 - Pump - 1914 - -

23 - 21 - RNR - 1961 - -

23 - 22 - TRE - 2007 - -

23 - 23 - Spartans - 1894 - -

23 - 24 - SCBF - 1923 - -

 
Spartans> I suppose I could give you my 25th round 1965 season so you can draft a SS...not elite guys there though. However, I'd need to get a pitcher that would be comparable to what I can get in '65 already. Preferable if the pitcher is a lefty.
Can do a similar deal with 2007, but again would need a top notch RP to replace the one I'm getting there.
 
Spartans> I suppose I could give you my 25th round 1965 season so you can draft a SS...not elite guys there though. However, I'd need to get a pitcher that would be comparable to what I can get in '65 already. Preferable if the pitcher is a lefty.
Can do a similar deal with 2007, but again would need a top notch RP to replace the one I'm getting there.
I have 3 good bullpen guys. Unfortunately they're all I have and the remainder of my years come from before relief pitching was invented.I guess I could spare the luxury of 30 innings of the great Bobby Tiefenauer.
 
Can anyone explain to me how appearance fatigue works?

I'm thinking I need to convert some SP into RP, since the road to a SS runs through my bullpen, but I'm not sure exactly what will happen when I do.

 
Can anyone explain to me how appearance fatigue works?I'm thinking I need to convert some SP into RP, since the road to a SS runs through my bullpen, but I'm not sure exactly what will happen when I do.
I rolled the great low-IP George McQuillan season in Sim X and used him exclusively as a low pitch count closer. I didn't notice any fatigue problems caused by exceeding his 6 RL appearances.
 
Can anyone explain to me how appearance fatigue works?I'm thinking I need to convert some SP into RP, since the road to a SS runs through my bullpen, but I'm not sure exactly what will happen when I do.
I rolled the great low-IP George McQuillan season in Sim X and used him exclusively as a low pitch count closer. I didn't notice any fatigue problems caused by exceeding his 6 RL appearances.
:goodposting: I think it stays true to the innings pitched, but you do have to manage your guy close to make sure you don't use him in 3-4 inning stretches too much.
 
Can anyone explain to me how appearance fatigue works?

I'm thinking I need to convert some SP into RP, since the road to a SS runs through my bullpen, but I'm not sure exactly what will happen when I do.
I rolled the great low-IP George McQuillan season in Sim X and used him exclusively as a low pitch count closer. I didn't notice any fatigue problems caused by exceeding his 6 RL appearances.
How many games did he end up appearing in, ballpark?...

And is it a case where they don't so much show fatigue as they just start sucking when they go too far over their real-life games pitched? I've used starters a bunch in the bullpen in past sims, and hadn't really noticed fatigue problems ... but I have seen some unexplainable performance swoons occasionally, though. Dunno, not really a consistent problem. Can't tell if the swoons are WIS sim chaos or actual pitching-staff mismanagement.

 
Can anyone explain to me how appearance fatigue works?

I'm thinking I need to convert some SP into RP, since the road to a SS runs through my bullpen, but I'm not sure exactly what will happen when I do.
I rolled the great low-IP George McQuillan season in Sim X and used him exclusively as a low pitch count closer. I didn't notice any fatigue problems caused by exceeding his 6 RL appearances.
How many games did he end up appearing in, ballpark?...

And is it a case where they don't so much show fatigue as they just start sucking when they go too far over their real-life games pitched? I've used starters a bunch in the bullpen in past sims, and hadn't really noticed fatigue problems ... but I have seen some unexplainable performance swoons occasionally, though. Dunno, not really a consistent problem. Can't tell if the swoons are WIS sim chaos or actual pitching-staff mismanagement.
The appearance fatigue fix WIS added a few years ago was to eliminate the tactic of using a Silver King-type pitcher for a few innings every game. I believe it starts penalizing pitchers if they've appeared in more than 70% of their team's games on a running basis. For instance, Harrrr used Ferdie Schupp in 124 games and I used Willie Hernandez in 119 games in Sim II (Thanks DougB for saving the stats). We wouldn't be able to get away with that today.

All things being equal, I think a 50 IP SP with seven real-life appearances has some value over a 50 IP RP who appeared in 50 games. The RP would get nailed by in-game fatigue after about 15 pitches, while the SP would have more flexibility to go longer if needed.

 
The appearance fatigue fix WIS added a few years ago was to eliminate the tactic of using a Silver King-type pitcher for a few innings every game. I believe it starts penalizing pitchers if they've appeared in more than 70% of their team's games on a running basis.
This was the info I couldn't remember. Thanks.So SPs as relievers should be fine with normal relief use.

 
For instance, Harrrr used Ferdie Schupp in 124 games and I used Willie Hernandez in 119 games in Sim II (Thanks DougB for saving the stats). We wouldn't be able to get away with that today.
Some of the WIS rule changes since 2005 really struck at Harr's favorite strategies. That's one example. Another was when WIS started getting strict about the 19th-century guys' defensive ratings -- I remember Harrier getting away with D gloves a bunch in the first two FBG sims.
 
Can anyone explain to me how appearance fatigue works?

I'm thinking I need to convert some SP into RP, since the road to a SS runs through my bullpen, but I'm not sure exactly what will happen when I do.
I rolled the great low-IP George McQuillan season in Sim X and used him exclusively as a low pitch count closer. I didn't notice any fatigue problems caused by exceeding his 6 RL appearances.
How many games did he end up appearing in, ballpark?...

And is it a case where they don't so much show fatigue as they just start sucking when they go too far over their real-life games pitched? I've used starters a bunch in the bullpen in past sims, and hadn't really noticed fatigue problems ... but I have seen some unexplainable performance swoons occasionally, though. Dunno, not really a consistent problem. Can't tell if the swoons are WIS sim chaos or actual pitching-staff mismanagement.
The appearance fatigue fix WIS added a few years ago was to eliminate the tactic of using a Silver King-type pitcher for a few innings every game. I believe it starts penalizing pitchers if they've appeared in more than 70% of their team's games on a running basis. For instance, Harrrr used Ferdie Schupp in 124 games and I used Willie Hernandez in 119 games in Sim II (Thanks DougB for saving the stats). We wouldn't be able to get away with that today.

All things being equal, I think a 50 IP SP with seven real-life appearances has some value over a 50 IP RP who appeared in 50 games. The RP would get nailed by in-game fatigue after about 15 pitches, while the SP would have more flexibility to go longer if needed.
Thanks for this :shrug:

 
Speaking of D gloves...still looking for a RH bench bat. Willing to deal a good LH bat in return.

Also would be willing to deal 1978 Mike Caldwell.

 
Can anyone explain to me how appearance fatigue works?

I'm thinking I need to convert some SP into RP, since the road to a SS runs through my bullpen, but I'm not sure exactly what will happen when I do.
I rolled the great low-IP George McQuillan season in Sim X and used him exclusively as a low pitch count closer. I didn't notice any fatigue problems caused by exceeding his 6 RL appearances.
How many games did he end up appearing in, ballpark?...

And is it a case where they don't so much show fatigue as they just start sucking when they go too far over their real-life games pitched? I've used starters a bunch in the bullpen in past sims, and hadn't really noticed fatigue problems ... but I have seen some unexplainable performance swoons occasionally, though. Dunno, not really a consistent problem. Can't tell if the swoons are WIS sim chaos or actual pitching-staff mismanagement.
The appearance fatigue fix WIS added a few years ago was to eliminate the tactic of using a Silver King-type pitcher for a few innings every game. I believe it starts penalizing pitchers if they've appeared in more than 70% of their team's games on a running basis. For instance, Harrrr used Ferdie Schupp in 124 games and I used Willie Hernandez in 119 games in Sim II (Thanks DougB for saving the stats). We wouldn't be able to get away with that today.

All things being equal, I think a 50 IP SP with seven real-life appearances has some value over a 50 IP RP who appeared in 50 games. The RP would get nailed by in-game fatigue after about 15 pitches, while the SP would have more flexibility to go longer if needed.
Thanks for this :shrug:
:confused:
 
20 - 5 - Pump - 1953 - - Skip

21 - 15 - Bogart - 1973 - - Skip

21 - 18 - PIK/Pskov - 1934 - - Skip

21 - 20 - Pump - 1894 - - Skip

21 - 21 - RNR - 1895 - - Skip

22 - 2 - Spartans - 1898 - - Skip

22 - 4 - RNR - 1986 - - Skip

22 - 7 - PIK/Pskov - 1907 - - Skip

22 - 10 - Bogart - 1957 - - Skip

23 - 6 - Sammy - 1899 - - Skip

23 - 14 - Sammy - 2006 - -Skip

23 - 15 - Bogart - 1944 - -Skip

23 - 16 - Koya - 1919 - -Skip

23 - 17 - Texasheast - 1963 - -OTC til :53

23 - 18 - PIK/Pskov - 1920 - -

23 - 19 - Hoos - 1959 - -

23 - 20 - Pump - 1914 - -

23 - 21 - RNR - 1961 - -

23 - 22 - TRE - 2007 - -

23 - 23 - Spartans - 1894 - -

23 - 24 - SCBF - 1923 - -

 
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