***OFFICIAL WIS XIV DRAFT THREAD*** (1 Viewer)

[Doug B]

5 . 4 ( 100 ) Boug D : SP Demaree, Al

 

[Eephus]

We haven't done a whole lot of modern-era sims. How do modern players stack up with old timers in the sim?

They do fine so long as their numbers are good. Modern uber-elite starting pitchers and relievers are actually very strong in WIS.Batters are more of a mixed lot ... when comparing elites to elites, modern guys strike out a lot compared to guys from, say, pre WWII. Modern guys, collectively, trend toward more power and less average at the plate. But modern players generally field better.

The latest big update changed fielding normalization a bit. We've only played the HoVG league under those rules but the pitcher era contributes to the defense behind him. Jfranco77 plays WIS in more leagues than just here. He might be able to comment on the impact.Batter strikeouts are normalized so modern guys who strike out less than the current MLB average won't be punished as badly. But someone like Longoria would lead the sim in Ks if he gets enough playing time.

I really don't care about strikeouts, so I'm the wrong person to ask about that. Modern guys do strike out a ton and that does tend to lead to lower averages in some cases, but against these pitchers I'm less concerned. There really doesn't seem to be an era that favors hitters above all others, but I find that normalization isn't complete. If a guy from 1968 has an AVG+ of 110 and a guy from 1930 has an AVG+ of 110, the 1930 guy will still outhit him. I agree that modern pitchers will do just fine, though they will be more HR prone. A great modern pitcher will be great. A decent modern pitcher maybe not so much. I know that the deadball pitchers are supposed to have a huge impact on fielding but I think it tends to vary. The idea is that if you have a modern pitcher on the mound, the defense behind him is better. So if you could pair 1890s fielders with 2000s pitchers then you would have your fielders do better than expected. Conversely if you pair 1900s pitchers with 2000s fielders, the fielders will be worse. And if you pair 1890s fielders with 1900s pitchers you're just begging for trouble. But I find the impact isn't quite as severe as you'd think. It's there... maybe a guy makes 30 errors instead of 20. But it's not like Jeter makes 100 errors playing behind Reulbach.

the sim has many secrets but no secret recipes

 

[Doug B]

It's going to be pretty rare that I make a snap pick in less than 15 minutes. To me, there's no clear-cut "right pick" in this thing, so I'm evaluating several guys at every pick.

These dudes all start looking alike ... not easy to pick which crappy stat to saddle myself with :(

 

[jfranco77]

I thought Jimmie Hall would slip a lot. Time to go with a different OF

5.05 Hazen Shirley Cuyler, OF 1924

You know him better by his stripper name, Kiki

 

[Brady Marino]

5.6- RHP Cla Merideth, 200751 innings of "HOLY ####### ####!!!"

He did not surrender a run in 28 consecutive appearances, a span of 33 2/3 innings from July 18 through September 12. That streak set a franchise record, eclipsing Randy Jones' 30-inning scoreless streak. The 33 2/3 scoreless innings also tied Orel Hershiser's mark in 1984 for the second-longest streak by a rookie since 1970. It now stands as the second-longest scoreless stretch by a rookie relief pitcher in the live-ball era (1920).[3]

 

[Eephus]

It's going to be pretty rare that I make a snap pick in less than 15 minutes. To me, there's no clear-cut "right pick" in this thing, so I'm evaluating several guys at every pick.

These dudes all start looking alike ... not easy to pick which crappy stat to saddle myself with :(

starting pitching is looking pretty bleak

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

It's going to be pretty rare that I make a snap pick in less than 15 minutes. To me, there's no clear-cut "right pick" in this thing, so I'm evaluating several guys at every pick.

These dudes all start looking alike ... not easy to pick which crappy stat to saddle myself with

starting pitching is looking pretty bleak

Plenty of SP left. /sparty

 

[oso diablo]

starting pitching is looking pretty bleak

it's an artificial construct

 

[RnR]

05.07- Francisco Liriano (SP/RP)

 

[Eephus]

The commissioner is up BTW

 

[RnR]

Player Draft Results

05.01 - Doctor Detroit - Takashi Saito (RP)

05.02 - Greco II - Wally Judnich (OF)

05.03 - Eephus - Bill Burns (SP)

05.04 - Boug D - Al Demaree (SP)

05.05 - jfranco77 - Kiki Cuyler (OF)

05.06 - Brady Phoenix - Cla Meredith (RP)

05.07 - RnR - Francisco Liriano (SP/RP)

05.08 - Greco I -

05.09 - Hoos First -

05.10 - belljr -

05.11 - shake zula -

05.12 - boubucarow -

05.13 - the_moops -

05.14 - Notorious T.R.E. -

05.15 - Sammy -

05.16 - Koya -

05.17 - Sparty -

05.18 - Arsenal of Doom -

05.19 - SammyTRE Toupee -

05.20 - Tremendous Upside -

05.21 - Super Nintendo Chalmers -

05.22 - Doug B -

05.23 - oso diablo -

05.24 - Northern Voice -

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

The commissioner is up BTW

1pm donut rush slowing him down.

 

[Spartans Rule]

It's going to be pretty rare that I make a snap pick in less than 15 minutes. To me, there's no clear-cut "right pick" in this thing, so I'm evaluating several guys at every pick.

These dudes all start looking alike ... not easy to pick which crappy stat to saddle myself with :(

starting pitching is looking pretty bleak

Plenty of SP left. /sparty

 

[RnR]

The commissioner is up BTW

1pm donut rush slowing him down.

The light is ON.

 

[Greco]

Greco I selects:

5.08 Jim Gentile, IB, 1960

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I am ready to pick, btw. /anti-dougb

 

[Hoos First]

5.9 Wayne Simpson, P

I will lead the league in BB's allowed.

 

[Koya]

Plenty of SP left. /sparty

Read: I took pitching early. lay off drafting my hitters. tia

 

[Koya]

Dont forget, clock DOES RUN over the weekend. Don't forget to check in regularly.

 

[Greco]

Dont forget, clock DOES RUN over the weekend. Don't forget to check in regularly.

endorse

 

[Hoos First]

and now the wait begins...

also I can now be put on autoskip after 5 minutes otc

 

[Eephus]

Plenty of SP left. /sparty

Read: I took pitching early. lay off drafting my hitters. tia

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point with respect to starting pitching

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Plenty of SP left. /sparty

Read: I took pitching early. lay off drafting my hitters. tia

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point with respect to starting pitching

 

[shake zula]

slowwwww

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

belljr quickly earning autoskip status as well as charging up the stomachpunch list.

 

[the moops]

belljr quickly earning autoskip status as well as charging up the stomachpunch list.

 

[Koya]

Plenty of SP left. /sparty

Read: I took pitching early. lay off drafting my hitters. tia

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point with respect to starting pitching

You can probably visualize me saying it, too.

 

[Eephus]

belljr quickly earning autoskip status as well as charging up the stomachpunch list.

you expect punctuality from a guy who's still using the 2008 WS trophy as his avatar

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Read: I took pitching early. lay off drafting my hitters. tia

I hate to use the term paradigm shift—it’s so beaten to the ground—but we’re really at a tipping point with respect to starting pitching

You can probably visualize me saying it, too.

 

[Greco]

this has socalbroncofan written all over it

 

[Sammy3469]

relax nerds

 

[Eephus]

You can probably visualize me saying it, too.

So seriously Koya, I think the boutique cities idea is a good one. I'm a city person and the biggest thing that bugs me about suburbs is that they're not like the city. But cities are more than just topology, there are organic elements that can't be planned--they can only evolve. How do you keep your developments from becoming Disneyland versions of the city? And probably more importantly in these economic times, how can you prevent the commercial sections from becoming a bunch of vacant ground level storefronts?

 

[Sammy3469]

Greco was falling down on the jobMore on Millionaire Fred Glade (dude must really have been loaded to be called a millionaire back in the 1890s)

Fred Glade was a wealthy man before playing major league baseball. His family owned milling businesses which eventually became a piece of the modern conglomerate ConAgra. He had pressing family and business responsibilities and didn’t need a salary from baseball. He appeared at spring training on his own schedule, if at all. He jumped clubs with frequency and filled newspapers columns in the winter with claims of quitting the game. After years of hearing this, sportswriters started to refer to him as the “Millionaire Ballplayer.”

Henry Glade fell ill in mid 1910 and died on December 18. The company was reorganized and incorporated, becoming the Henry Glade Milling Company in August 1911. Fred became the company’s new president. Within two years the mill was operating eighteen hours a day and producing nearly 400 barrels a day. Annual revenue topped $650,000. Fred was given a great deal of credit for the company’s increased fortunes; however, the mill business ran into difficulties during World War I. To compensate, the Glades merged with three other mills to form the Nebraska Consolidated Mills in September 1919. At this point Glade retired but maintained a financial interest in the new venture. In 1922 Nebraska Consolidated doubled its capacity with the purchase of the Updike Mill in Omaha. It now produced enough in one week to feed the entire state for a year. In 1971 the Grand Island operation was renamed ConAgra. Through a complicated evolution and metamorphosis the company thrives today with such popular brands as Banquet, Chef Boyardee, Healthy Choice, Hunt’s and Libby’s, to name a few.

 

[Greco]

I have a friend who just got let go from ConAgra because he wouldn't relocate. I blame Glade.

 

[belljr]

Earl Williams - 1971 Atlanta Braves -

not sure why I'm not getting PM emails

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Earl Williams - 1971 Atlanta Braves - not sure why I'm not getting PM emails

I don't either, anymore

 

[shake zula]

OF- Scott Podsednik

 

[Koya]

You can probably visualize me saying it, too.

So seriously Koya, I think the boutique cities idea is a good one. I'm a city person and the biggest thing that bugs me about suburbs is that they're not like the city. But cities are more than just topology, there are organic elements that can't be planned--they can only evolve. How do you keep your developments from becoming Disneyland versions of the city? And probably more importantly in these economic times, how can you prevent the commercial sections from becoming a bunch of vacant ground level storefronts?

Very good question. Because as you state, the best way to create a "great city" - big or small - is through an organic process. Therein lies the realist's dilemma: If you are the Mayor or resident of a suburban town you likely have a dead / dying downtown that is a shell of what is was in the pre-mall, auto driven sprawl era. In that same mature suburb you likely have skyrocketing taxes, decaying infrastructure and a flight of youth / the young workforce to areas that provide them a living environment that suits their needs. For some a bigger city, for some a place that just doesnt feel like it has a curfew at 6 PM. The question then becomes - how to instill change. Real, transformative change that will occur not over the course of 3+ decades, but within 8, 10, 12 years.The answer, in my opinion, is you PLAN the downtown holistically and comprehensively. You see what is there, you see what is missing. Namely, what ingredients are necessary to attract both residents and businesses alike (commercial business, retail will be attracted by one thing and one thing alone: demand. in suburban downtowns, the way to build demand is to have a lot of people LIVE in a compact walkable area to catalyze additional retail and entertainment uses in a sustainable manner). You need culture, theaters, museums. You need restaurants and a vibrant street scene with festivals and events. In short, plan for what is needed, and work with dozens of partners to implement your planned vision.The way you avoid what is often called a "corporate cultural district" (a disney like, fake feeling setting) is to build upon the assets and history of that downtown. Dont tear down a great old warehouse - reposition it as a mixed use retail/office/residential building. Create pockets of activity and culture for people to gather. Because at root, we are social beings and need those places, that attract more people, that lead to more retailers and restaurants, that then attract more people..... Use the architectural vernacular that already exists for new construction. Use cutting edge methodologies such as crowdsourcing to ensure you are going to create the environment that the local market truly desires. Then, don't have one group design / build all of it. That is a death knell. Have different vertical players come in to build their buildings - in accordance with the master plan that a company like mine has created (we act as master developer to ensure individual vertical developers are in line with their final product after we sell the portion of land to them, or if a current property owner sells the land to that developer). Now we have: 1. the right mix of uses to create a vibrant, walkable downtown that the market will respond to2. we build into that mix a large residential component, which is the economic engine from which everything else will come3. plan the thing to include the full downtown to ensure you don't have dead spots, and to enable the developers of the buildings themselves to have confidence in investing within that downtown4. have a master developer to shepherd the process, but utilize different architects / builders/ vertical developers to ensure a nice variation in use so it does not come off bland5. by building off the current assets and cultural / architectural history of that place, you are building in REAL authenticity, which by the way, is what the market desires in the first place.Obviously that's a quick overview but hopefully gives you the sense. In short, have one group, in partnership with the local government plan the development and let that master developer then bring in the individual players to do the construction to avoid a monochromatic "Disney" result. Engage the local community, but educate them so in the end you have a very cool, diverse and market tested downtown mixed-use product to attract residents, businesses and visitors alike.

 

[the moops]

05.11 - shake zula - Posednik

05.12 - boubucarow - OTC

05.13 - the_moops - Ready with my pick

05.14 - Notorious T.R.E. -

05.15 - Sammy -

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Koya hopped-up today?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Koya hopped-up today?

"I'm glad you asked, Dr. D and may I say that's a great question..."

 

[Koya]

Koya hopped-up today?

Yeah. Need :stonedbanana:

 

[Brady Marino]

Puff, puff, pass that #### over here, Koya.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Boobers get a PM?

 

[RnR]

Boobers get a PM?

 

[boubucarow]

And I received an email with the PM, thanks RnR.

Bill Swift, SP, 1932 Pirates

 

[the moops]

1 minute

 

[the moops]

**** Radatz - The Moose, or The Monster

In 1963 Radatz saved 25 games and went 15-6 with a 1.97 ERA, becoming the first pitcher in history to have consecutive 20-save seasons

"It is believed that as Radatz tumbled down the stairs, he struck his ####### giant ### head on the carpet-covered concrete floor," Kominsky said in a statement. ''Paramedics were unable to revive Radatz, due to the severity of his injuries -- severe head trauma."

 

[Eephus]

**** Radatz

GB Hoss

 

[belljr]

Earl Williams - 1971 Atlanta Braves - not sure why I'm not getting PM emails

I don't either, anymore

I checked all my options and PM email is set, if I got them I would be here sooner.:stomachpunchthis: